Loose Cannons - and the future of Aces High

[killnu]

with that terribly annoying tendency to have commited fsquaddies right there nearby to kill me if I ever somehow get the advantage on one of you

well, ive been told that we are all gang bangers so that doesnt surprise me.   we do tend to fly as a squad...occasionally we do go to separate places on map when a fight starts to die, then we hook back up at the new one.

[Hoarach]

Originally posted by Simaril
No doubt, no doubt.

The guys who were banging away were generally folks I hadnt heard much of, and they were probably just enjoying the shoe being on the other foot in a major (and well deserved) way. No worries.


The times I run into you folks of the 475th, there's generally no doubt -- good sticks all, with that terribly annoying tendency to have commited fsquaddies right there nearby to kill me if I ever somehow get the advantage on one of you....

According to LCA and others we suck.

[FALCONWING]

Well after reading this thread and the other one targeting the LCA i decided to weigh in with some thoughts.

1) if the LCA doesnt want to be hammered on bbs...stop posting in here. this is probably the third thread i have seen.

2) stop hammering the LCA...except for posting their thoughts in here they are not unlike many numbers squads in here...when i first started it was the MAW. they likely give a home to many new guys looking for a sesne of identity. good for them.

3) while i dont think they changed much (i.e. rooks horded long b4 i knew of the LCA)...they have not made rookland more effective...however they have caused numbers to swap in a good way...thanks for helping balance numbers....made the game more fun. (even if they swapped because they hate you guys =(

4) I am the C.O. of a teeny squad called the Birds Of Prey....while we sometimes appear to be a horde I will point something out....we dont routinely gang a country...except on squad nites or nites when bish are close to reset...we tend to fly more for fun including furballing and buff/escort missions. I hate hording a country into the dust..bad for the game. it is good to have a large squad to be able to respond to enemy activity. I wil also say that c.o.'s of large squads have a responsibility to help the newbs and teach them to have fun. I am sad but also proud to say that there are many ex-BoPs in other sqauds that left after 1-2 years. They still love the game...and im glad they stayed.

5) Funny thing aboout many of the "fiter l33t" posting in here..they dont mind "hording" by overwhelming a base with fiters. Some of the guys like to take....say...15 p38s and killing vh and ack and "furballing" planes on the ground. i dont think im "crazy" when i challenge the "L33t: landed 15 kills in p38 of L33t pilot squad" didnt get those in outnumbered furball.


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[Simaril]

Originally posted by FALCONWING

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5) Funny thing aboout many of the "fiter l33t" posting in here..they dont mind "hording" by overwhelming a base with fiters. Some of the guys like to take....say...15 p38s and killing vh and ack and "furballing" planes on the ground. i dont think im "crazy" when i challenge the "L33t: landed 15 kills in p38 of L33t pilot squad" didnt get those in outnumbered furball.


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Just because the 475th fllies and fights like a team doesnt mean they are weak pilots, as you imply. They take care of each other, the stronger (positionally or skill wise) helping the others. Many of those guys are excellent sticks, capable of winning 1v1 routinely -- so if you think you can discount the large kill totals because of how they were obtained, you may want to reconsider.

[FALCONWING]

ahhh simaril....i didnt even use a fiter squad name and yet you knew  which example i was using!!  maybe they are a form of a coordinated horde then!!:O

my point is they have no foot to stand on syaing that certain "hordes"are worse then others.  they all the same evil....and coordinated vulch attacks dont do anything but pad scores and pump egos....same with coordinated mass base take techniques.


some guys like buffing..i have at least 3 very talented fiter pilots in my squad who like doing buff runs...it is a different dimension and the gun play is a lot of fun as well.  this accusation of buffing being a newb issue is hilarious!!!   i see 8x as many newbs in fiters!!! lmao! flying a fiter is alot easier!!

tell ya what any of you fiter studs who "love" being "ganged" by 3-4 players and winning...lets go to da..il bring 3 of my guys...se how ya do

[96Delta]

Originally posted by Brenjen
Oh b.t.w. Dokgonzo; the one & only time I saw an L.C.A. raid there was over twenty boxes of buffs & a handful of escort fighters....that's over sixty planes in bombers alone. I don't know if it's me your calling a liar or not, & I don't really give a crap but I know the time I saw them there were more than 16 guys.

That is a rare event.
I wish we routinely put up that many players.
Our biggest BUF run to date was 37 bomber pilots.

But we're growing so who knows, we may be able to
regularly put those kinds of numbers into the air someday.
My guess is that its only a matter of time...

But DoK is correct.  Our current average is 15-20 on any
given night,.

[DoKGonZo]

Originally posted by Brenjen
What was that supposed to mean? ...

OK ... I guess I wasn't clear enough that big bomber missions are considered special and so the LCA spends as much as 20 minutes gathering people. It just sounded like you were trying to twist things ... my bad.

[killnu]

Falcn...we only vulch?  are you serious?

and 6-10 of  us in fighter mode and much different than the large group of people,could be 10, more, dont matter, flying to a base and dropping all hangars and not taking base, just dropping hangars where there was a fight going.  we dont have to drop hangars to make nme planes go away.  we have taken our lumpin's too though.  just up again and start over.  

yes we fly as a squad, up into big dar bar, dar bar goes away we end up at field, yes, vulch on.  not all flights go like that tho.  dont assume to much because of kill totals.  ive landed many 10+ kill runs, all air to air(not just off runway either) with not a single vulch.  and fact is, im not that good.  lucky mostly.  some guys in my squad fly my pants off 1 vs 1.  

cooridinated vulch, should TM that phrase...funny.

[Zazen13]

That is the value of threads like this one and the 2 or 3 similiar threads active right now. The BBS and the posters therein educate the portion of the community that reads it. Those readers in turn disseminate that information to countrymen, squadmates and friends in game. It is by this process that we develop a standard of conduct within the community that tends to fascilitate the best gameplay possible within the framework of the game. That's how it was done for 15 years in AW and that's how it's done here. If anti-social/anti-fun griefing behavior is responded to with disdain and ostrasization, as we have done to LCA, then eventually the perpetrators will seek out a pattern of behavior that garners them more favorable accolades from their peers.

There were alot of teenagers playing AW. AW became flat-rate in 1990 or thereabouts so, FDutchman's anecdote from the past was almost certainly from the flat-rate era when there were a healthy number of youngsters playing. I was 19 myself when I started playing AW circa 1990. Obviously, we, as a community, do not expect those very new to the game to be automatically able to distinguish 'right from wrong' but we do expect a certain level of accountability in terms of adopting acceptable behavior based on their ever-increasing knowledge of the game and in-game feedback on the ramifications of their actions, both postive and negative.

So, it is our duty as aged and experienced members of the community to re-enforce and ingrain these standards of conduct within the game. It is necessary and vital we do so to preserve this game and this genre from the anti-social behavior that plagues any and all massively-multiplayer games to one degree or another. If griefing behavior is tolerated and permitted with no reprisals from the community, gameplay will suffer, customer patronage will in turn suffer and eventually this game and this genre will devolve into something that will have lost its appeal to the vast majority of paying customers and will almost certainly fail. We owe the community and this fine product our best efforts to prevent this griefing trend from snowballing into inevitable disaster...

Zazen

[DamnedRen]

Originally posted by Zazen13
That is the value of threads like this one and the 2 or 3 similiar threads active right now. The BBS and the posters therein educate the portion of the community that reads it. Those readers in turn disseminate that information to countrymen, squadmates and friends in game. It is by this process that we develop a standard of conduct within the community that tends to fascilitate the best gameplay possible within the framework of the game. That's how it was done for 15 years in AW and that's how it's done here. If anti-social/anti-fun griefing behavior is responded to with disdain and ostrasization, as we have done to LCA, then eventually the perpetrators will seek out a pattern of behavior that garners them more favorable accolades from their peers.

Sorry you're talking croc and we're not talking alligators here. Well, maybe we are. For the past few years and until only recently all anyone saw was trash talk about anyone and anything by our good buddies, the blu knights. Guys like Morph said anything they wanted no matter how spiteful, stupid or childlike they wanted to be. Anyone who called them on it were immediately jumped on by the rest of the squad who spent the rest of any thread trying to trash talk. Fact of life. During that time many of the new "kids" joined and read that trash and began writing their own. It will be a long time before that is ever straightenend out. Although some of the louder ones have quieted down some.I can only guess they realized

There were alot of teenagers playing AW. AW became flat-rate in 1990 or thereabouts so, FDutchman's anecdote from the past was almost certainly from the flat-rate era when there were a healthy number of youngsters playing. I was 19 myself when I started playing AW circa 1990. Obviously, we, as a community, do not expect those very new to the game to be automatically able to distinguish 'right from wrong' but we do expect a certain level of accountability in terms of adopting acceptable behavior based on their ever-increasing knowledge of the game and in-game feedback on the ramifications of their actions, both postive and negative.

Actually there were not a lot of teenagers in the early years of AW. They could not afford the price. BTW, there really wasn't much in the way of BBS like this in those days. Most comm was thru yer squad, online while flying or in the O'club. Yes,  bigweek showed up later....

So, it is our duty as aged and experienced members of the community to re-enforce and ingrain these standards of conduct within the game. It is necessary and vital we do so to preserve this game and this genre from the anti-social behavior that plagues any and all massively-multiplayer games to one degree or another. If griefing behavior is tolerated and permitted with no reprisals from the community, gameplay will suffer, customer patronage will in turn suffer and eventually this game and this genre will devolve into something that will have lost its appeal to the vast majority of paying customers and will almost certainly fail. We owe the community and this fine product our best efforts to prevent this griefing trend from snowballing into inevitable disaster...

Ain't gonna happen. Too many malicious kiddies in here to do that. It isn't the same game and has a completely different community. Although there are many people that have come here from previous flight games most don't even bother to read the boards and ignore most of the trash talk on the radios. The reason? They came to have fun and don't need to see trash talk on the boards to do it.

Zazen

Ren
The Damned

[Dead Man Flying]

Ren blames the Blue Knights for all bad attitudes in this game?



-- Todd/Leviathn

[DoKGonZo]

Originally posted by Zazen13
That is the value of threads like this one and the 2 or 3 similiar threads active right now. ... If anti-social/anti-fun griefing behavior is responded to with disdain and ostrasization, as we have done to LCA, then eventually the perpetrators will seek out a pattern of behavior that garners them more favorable accolades from their peers.

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... If griefing behavior is tolerated and permitted with no reprisals from the community, gameplay will suffer, customer patronage will in turn suffer and eventually this game and this genre will devolve into something that will have lost its appeal to the vast majority of paying customers and will almost certainly fail. We owe the community and this fine product our best efforts to prevent this griefing trend from snowballing into inevitable disaster...

What a festering pile of offal.

You didn't target a behavior, you targeted a group. And now you're trying to mollify and expand that position to come across like you're looking out for everyone's best interest.

That's beyond sad. That's sickening.

[DamnedRen]

Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
Ren blames the Blue Knights for all bad attitudes in this game?



-- Todd/Leviathn

Let the fun begin!!!!

What a minute! I don't want to highjack the thread. I only responded as to reason why we have the community relations that you see today.

My bad

[Dead Man Flying]

Originally posted by DamnedRen
What a minute! I don't want to highjack the thread. I only responded as to reason why we have the community relations that you see today.

And as usual, you're wrong.  Perhaps part of the community's problem is people like you making outrageous, off-topic statements for the sole purpose of provoking a vociferous response.  Or maybe it's the simplistic willingness to assign blame to others without merit (the "porked" flight model, the "furballers," the "griefers," the Blue Knights, ad nauseum).



-- Todd/Leviathn

[Zazen13]

Originally posted by DoKGonZo
What a festering pile of offal.

You didn't target a behavior, you targeted a group.

 

Actually we targetted this group because they asserted that they were the pioneers of this anti-social/anti-fun behavior which, although a complete load of BS, made them the epitome of this behavior and examples to be targetted for 'special attention' for all those opposed to griefing...

Zazen