Author Topic: Time to Un-Perk the Hogs? (Read 5221 times)

Urchin · « **Reply #60 on:** June 01, 2006, 11:58:41 AM »

Bkbandit, you are missing the point.

Right now, the Spit 16 is the "best" 'turny-plane' (much like the La-7 is the "best" Ho-n-Go plane).

So you (and some others, no doubt, so don't feel as if I'm coming after you personally) think "Oh, this Spit 16 is just to good! It can turn, accelerates well, has the best guns in the game, and isn't even that slow! Perk it!"

What Karnak is saying is that there is always a "Best plane".

If the Spit 16 gets perked (which it won't), the new "best plane" would be the Spit 8. The Spit 8 is a Spit 16 with normal span wings and .303s. They are identical other than that. So fine, lets perk that too. Whats the next "best plane"?

Probably the niki, I'd imagine. It'd go from 5-6% use to 14-15% (add almost all the Spit 16 drivers to it).

OMG, PERK TEH NIKI! Four cannons, absurd ammo load, turns on a dime and gives you back a nickel's change!

Good argument, lets perk it.

So now what happens? I imagine either the Spit 9 useage takes off or the Hurri-2C's usage does. Perk those?

See where we are going?

The Spit 16 does not enjoy such a huge performance advantage over the other "turny planes" that perking it would make any difference at all. The Spit 8 / Niki would dominate just the way the Spit 16 / Niki dominate a "furball" now. Perk the Spit 8 and Niki and you get Spit 9's and Hurri-2C's.

DoKGonZo · « **Reply #61 on:** June 01, 2006, 12:10:41 PM »

Yeah, what Urchin said.

The only caveat I'd add would be that it would be interesting to see what happened if the 3-cannon La-7 were perked, leaving the 2-cannon version free.

And I still can't see any reason why the 4-Hog costs more than 5 perks. Not in an MA dominated by HO'ing cannon-birds.

bkbandit · « **Reply #62 on:** June 01, 2006, 01:27:35 PM »

the spit 8 cant do half of what the 16 can do. I have fought agaisnt them and flyed them. The spit16 is way better, if the 8 was as good i would see at least 2 of them, but i see seafires and 5s. THere so many spit 16s and hoing that it takes the fun out of the game. U can be the best 109 pilot in the game and just get sick with all of the spit16s. Last time i flew spits i run the 9 against 109, great plane, i was taking those 109s out. BUt with a 16 it becomes to easy, the roll rate alone is a big advantage. The gun package sucks but its still better then the other spits.

People say oh keep c hog perked because of hoing, but have u seen m/a lately. Perk the 3 cannon planes, c hog is perked and that isnt fair to corsair guys. Give them a lite perk and thats it.

There will always be a best plane but theres too many hanger queens to worry about that. The 3 cannon planes and spit 16 would just give the m/a more variety. 2 cannon la7s, then u will see a more wider variety of things to fight. There wont be any fighter that ups in packs of 5(all guys from different squads) like the la7 and spit16 does. I see what ur talking about best but after the perks it will put it under controll and there wont be any standard m/a plane. If u want it u buy it if u lose it that it. WHen u pay for planes u r less willing to ho:lol

Karnak · « **Reply #63 on:** June 01, 2006, 01:52:23 PM »

Spit VIII is within a hairsbreadth of the Spit XVI in capability. The capabilities are just slightly different.

Spit VIII:

Slightly better turning
Better fuel endurance

Spit XVI:

Better roll
Slightly better guns
Slightly faster at low altitudes

Every fight I have had Spit VIII vs Spit XVI has been a close, hard fight if the pilots were close in skill.

People are sheep and will allow themselves to be convinced there are large differences where there are not.

Overall, yes, the Spit XVI is more agile, but it is not so far as to make that much of a difference.

DoKGonZo · « **Reply #64 on:** June 01, 2006, 01:57:25 PM »

Spit8 v. Spit16

Kev367th · « **Reply #65 on:** June 01, 2006, 02:55:05 PM »

Could it also be -

F4U-1C

Service - Spring 1945
Manufactued - around 200

Seems like a rarish late war bird, with awesome guns.

Karnak - Perk the XVI, and unperk the XIV, your nuts?
Although thinking about it a free XIV would a dream, or more likely an MA fiasco.
It's the ONLY Spit you'd see.

Perk 1700HP or so Merlin 266 XVI and unperk a 2000HP+ Griffon 65 XIV.
Love to know your reasoning.

Oh by the way, I'd love to see it.

Karnak · « **Reply #66 on:** June 01, 2006, 03:08:53 PM »

The handling on the XIV is much, much worse than on the XVI.

That said, I didn't say I would support it, just that I thought an argument for it could be made.

Kev367th · « **Reply #67 on:** June 01, 2006, 03:19:53 PM »

Personally Karnak I'd be all for it, something free that can compete with the La7 on equal terms.

Always thought the XIV and Ta-152 should both be free, their biggest assets are at very high alts, not exactly where the MA furballs are.

bkbandit · « **Reply #68 on:** June 01, 2006, 08:57:10 PM »

well i stated playing this game a week before the spit16 came out and u saw spits but they were different models runing around not all one model. Sheep lol, i noe what they can do.

Perks arent decided by production numbers. If that was the case f4u4 would be free. There werent that many spit16s, alittle over a 1000 were made in 44'. There where more niks then that(around 1500). There hey down too many threads about 16 and la7 and majortiy of the people here want them perked. When i flew 16 i noe that sooner or later it would be perked because of the performance. Alot of guys that take it out for sorties say the same thing. When i see a corsair A good half the time its the c model but i dont care because its a perked plane(it is a very cheap price, the most i have seen it was 15 perks). A lite 15 20 tops perk price on these planes would give the m/a more balance. Nobody here cant tell me they cant afford 15 perks to take out a cannon bird la7 or spit 16. Im not talking about a 50 point perk, just 15 to 20.

Bronk · « **Reply #69 on:** June 01, 2006, 09:33:48 PM »

NO

Bronk

justfreds · « **Reply #70 on:** June 01, 2006, 09:34:27 PM »

i was porking a base once in a p47d40 , and i got gang banged by 6 spit 16s...... if they were perked there wouldnt be anymore gang bangs like what happened to me.

Lusche · « **Reply #71 on:** June 01, 2006, 10:05:18 PM »

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Originally posted by justfreds
i was porking a base once in a p47d40 , and i got gang banged by 6 spit 16s...... if they were perked there wouldnt be anymore gang bangs like what happened to me.

Right. It would have been a Spit VIII gangbang instead.

Bronk · « **Reply #72 on:** June 01, 2006, 10:10:02 PM »

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Originally posted by justfreds
i was porking a base once in a p47d40 , and i got gang banged by 6 spit 16s...... if they were perked there wouldnt be anymore gang bangs like what happened to me.

So your upset that you couldn't pork unopposed. WHAAAAA.

Sounds like the XVI is doing the roll i thought it would do.

Intercept inbound porkers and base defence.

Bronk

Karnak · « **Reply #73 on:** June 01, 2006, 11:01:56 PM »

bkbandit,

In your musings, did it occur to you that the Spit XVI is the same as the Spit LF.IX? Yes, the LF.IX of which nearly 5,000 were built.

So in actuality the number you use should be about 6,000, not 1,000.

Also, in your N1K2-J number of 1,500ish you counted the very differnent N1K1-J. 1100ish N1K1-Js and only a bit over 400 N1K2-Js.

Less than 300 C.205s.

Just over 200 F4U-1Cs.

A bit under 50 Ta152H-1s.

Bronk · « **Reply #74 on:** June 01, 2006, 11:49:31 PM »

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Originally posted by Karnak
bkbandit,

In your musings, did it occur to you that the Spit XVI is the same as the Spit LF.IX? Yes, the LF.IX of which nearly 5,000 were built.

So in actuality the number you use should be about 6,000, not 1,000.

Also, in your N1K2-J number of 1,500ish you counted the very differnent N1K1-J. 1100ish N1K1-Js and only a bit over 400 N1K2-Js.

Less than 300 C.205s.

Just over 200 F4U-1Cs.

A bit under 50 Ta152H-1s.

Karnak do confuse the lad with so many numbers. Hell, think you lost him with the roman numeral IX.

Bronk