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« Reply #45 on: September 12, 2006, 07:40:42 AM »
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What do you suppose would happen to someone who defamed Muhammad? Hmm..you probably already have an idea of that. As for Christ..the cartoon Southpark has Him as a game show host, and the University of Virgina TAX payer-funded school newspaper showed this :



Interesting article.  I'm actually doing the comic for my college newspaper this semester (or until I'm fired).  I think we might actually be tax payer-funded as well.  Of course I never see a cent of it and don't get any money for my ink or paper, so what do I care.

It will be interesting to see folks' reactions.  Of all the groups I make fun of, though, I have to doubt that Christians are going to be the ones sending in death threats.  We'll see how this hypothesis works out.
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« Reply #46 on: September 12, 2006, 08:05:57 AM »
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Interesting article.  I'm actually doing the comic for my college newspaper this semester (or until I'm fired).  I think we might actually be tax payer-funded as well.  Of course I never see a cent of it and don't get any money for my ink or paper, so what do I care.

It will be interesting to see folks' reactions.  Of all the groups I make fun of, though, I have to doubt that Christians are going to be the ones sending in death threats.  We'll see how this hypothesis works out.


If you make fun of Christians but not Muslims then I say you have no intestinal fortitude. Would be interested in seeing what is published.

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« Reply #47 on: September 12, 2006, 08:39:41 AM »
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And who is responsible for bringing the terrorists to Iraq Mr. Seagoon? Fighting them on their turf and all that load of bollocks.


The EXTREMISTS (not "Terrorists") were ALREADY PRESENT IN IRAQ BEFORE 9/11.    
But what is funny?   Watching idiots like you thinking "If we close our eyes long enough, the problem will cure itself."   Bollocks that.
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« Reply #48 on: September 12, 2006, 08:55:09 AM »
funked... do you think the U.S. is targeting civilians now?

It would not be new of course... you probly get sick reading about the bombings in WWII where civilians were indeed targeted by at least, the brits.

I believe that the American way of war is to reduce resistance to near nothing before attack so as to save American lives.   I believe this is a valid tactic.

How many jap lives on the islands of WWII were worth one American?   All of em.

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« Reply #49 on: September 12, 2006, 09:19:41 AM »
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it all started with the PC movement.
But, but,..without PC's I would be out of a job!

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as long as leaders in the democratic parts of the globe are elected by people who see the truth, know the truth and share views/morals/beliefs of those they elect, we have a chance
if we are less committed than our enemies or lose sight of this war, we will fail
Uhmmm,..I cannot share views/morals/beliefs with the lieing, corrupt, sacks of poop we have elected.  And if you chose to believe and support them, you are no better than they are.

While I agree, in principle, we should support our leaders.  I will not knowingly support anyone who has little, to no, respect for the people who put them there.  How many lies do our leaders need to be caught in before we stand up and say, "Enough is enough!"?

The day our President proclaimed he is "The Decider", is the day that brkoe the camel's back for me.  Why did he proclaim that?  Because people were questioning the decision to keep one of his numpties onboard.  The people of this country have every right to question any decision the President makes.  Bush has made himself to be a dictator wannabe with the above statement.

It is our duty to question our leaders.  It is our responsibility to make sure they are true to our country and the people who have elected them.  Blindly following someone over a cliff only makes for good press.  It does not make a good place to live.
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« Reply #50 on: September 12, 2006, 09:25:19 AM »
they aren't perfect but some are worse than others so you go with the lesser of two evils ... what other option is there?
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« Reply #51 on: September 12, 2006, 09:29:29 AM »
for what its worth, I didnt see if any of you had read this yet.  I dont know who Keith Olbermann but I can agree with some of what he is saying.
I just think we need to drop all the "Right Wing" this and "Left Wing" that and Liberal, Neocon crap and straighten this out.   Its all our faults this has gotten out of hand.  we each have a responsibility to do whats right

Keith Olbermann - Half a lifetime ago, I worked in this now-empty space. And for 40 days after the attacks, I worked here again, trying to make sense of what happened, and was yet to happen, as a reporter.

All the time, I knew that the very air I breathed contained the remains of thousands of people, including four of my friends, two in the planes and -- as I discovered from those "missing posters" seared still into my soul -- two more in the Towers.

And I knew too, that this was the pyre for hundreds of New York policemen and firemen, of whom my family can claim half a dozen or more, as our ancestors.

I belabor this to emphasize that, for me this was, and is, and always shall be, personal.

And anyone who claims that I and others like me are "soft,"or have "forgotten" the lessons of what happened here is at best a grasping, opportunistic, dilettante and at worst, an idiot whether he is a commentator, or a Vice President, or a President.

However, of all the things those of us who were here five years ago could have forecast -- of all the nightmares that unfolded before our eyes, and the others that unfolded only in our minds -- none of us could have predicted this.

Five years later this space is still empty.

Five years later there is no memorial to the dead.

Five years later there is no building rising to show with proud defiance that we would not have our America wrung from us, by cowards and criminals.

Five years later this country's wound is still open.

Five years later this country's mass grave is still unmarked.

Five years later this is still just a background for a photo-op.

It is beyond shameful.

At the dedication of the Gettysburg Memorial -- barely four months after the last soldier staggered from another Pennsylvania field -- Mr. Lincoln said, "we cannot dedicate, we cannot consecrate, we cannot hallow this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract."

Lincoln used those words to immortalize their sacrifice.

Today our leaders could use those same words to rationalize their reprehensible inaction. "We cannot dedicate, we can not consecrate, we can not hallow this ground." So we won't.

Instead they bicker and buck pass. They thwart private efforts, and jostle to claim credit for initiatives that go nowhere. They spend the money on irrelevant wars, and elaborate self-congratulations, and buying off columnists to write how good a job they're doing instead of doing any job at all.

Five years later, Mr. Bush, we are still fighting the terrorists on these streets. And look carefully, sir, on these 16 empty acres. The terrorists are clearly, still winning.

And, in a crime against every victim here and every patriotic sentiment you mouthed but did not enact, you have done nothing about it.

And there is something worse still than this vast gaping hole in this city, and in the fabric of our nation. There is its symbolism of the promise unfulfilled, the urgent oath, reduced to lazy execution.

The only positive on 9/11 and the days and weeks that so slowly and painfully followed it was the unanimous humanity, here, and throughout the country. The government, the President in particular, was given every possible measure of support.

Those who did not belong to his party -- tabled that.

Those who doubted the mechanics of his election -- ignored that.

Those who wondered of his qualifications -- forgot that.

History teaches us that nearly unanimous support of a government cannot be taken away from that government by its critics. It can only be squandered by those who use it not to heal a nation's wounds, but to take political advantage.

Terrorists did not come and steal our newly-regained sense of being American first, and political, fiftieth. Nor did the Democrats. Nor did the media. Nor did the people.

The President -- and those around him -- did that.

They promised bi-partisanship, and then showed that to them, "bi-partisanship" meant that their party would rule and the rest would have to follow, or be branded, with ever-escalating hysteria, as morally or intellectually confused, as appeasers, as those who, in the Vice President's words yesterday, "validate the strategy of the terrorists."

They promised protection, and then showed that to them "protection" meant going to war against a despot whose hand they had once shaken, a despot who we now learn from our own Senate Intelligence Committee, hated al-Qaida as much as we did.

The polite phrase for how so many of us were duped into supporting a war, on the false premise that it had 'something to do' with 9/11 is "lying by implication."

The impolite phrase is "impeachable offense."

Not once in now five years has this President ever offered to assume responsibility for the failures that led to this empty space, and to this, the current, curdled, version of our beloved country.

Still, there is a last snapping flame from a final candle of respect and fairness: even his most virulent critics have never suggested he alone bears the full brunt of the blame for 9/11.

Half the time, in fact, this President has been so gently treated, that he has seemed not even to be the man most responsible for anything in his own administration.

Yet what is happening this very night?

A mini-series, created, influenced -- possibly financed by -- the most radical and cold of domestic political Machiavellis, continues to be televised into our homes.

The documented truths of the last fifteen years are replaced by bald-faced lies; the talking points of the current regime parroted; the whole sorry story blurred, by spin, to make the party out of office seem vacillating and impotent, and the party in office, seem like the only option.

How dare you, Mr. President, after taking cynical advantage of the unanimity and love, and transmuting it into fraudulent war and needless death, after monstrously transforming it into fear and suspicion and turning that fear into the campaign slogan of three elections? How dare you -- or those around you -- ever "spin" 9/11?

Just as the terrorists have succeeded -- are still succeeding -- as long as there is no memorial and no construction here at Ground Zero.

So, too, have they succeeded, and are still succeeding as long as this government uses 9/11 as a wedge to pit Americans against Americans.

This is an odd point to cite a television program, especially one from March of 1960. But as Disney's continuing sell-out of the truth (and this country) suggests, even television programs can be powerful things.

And long ago, a series called "The Twilight Zone" broadcast a riveting episode entitled "The Monsters Are Due On Maple Street."

In brief: a meteor sparks rumors of an invasion by extra-terrestrials disguised as humans. The electricity goes out. A neighbor pleads for calm. Suddenly his car -- and only his car -- starts. Someone suggests he must be the alien. Then another man's lights go on. As charges and suspicion and panic overtake the street, guns are inevitably produced. An "alien" is shot -- but he turns out to be just another neighbor, returning from going for help. The camera pulls back to a near-by hill, where two extra-terrestrials are seen manipulating a small device that can jam electricity. The veteran tells his novice that there's no need to actually attack, that you just turn off a few of the human machines and then, "they pick the most dangerous enemy they can find, and it's themselves."

And then, in perhaps his finest piece of writing, Rod Serling sums it up with words of remarkable prescience, given where we find ourselves tonight: "The tools of conquest do not necessarily come with bombs and explosions and fallout. There are weapons that are simply thoughts, attitudes, prejudices, to be found only in the minds of men.

"For the record, prejudices can kill and suspicion can destroy, and a thoughtless, frightened search for a scapegoat has a fallout all its own -- for the children, and the children yet unborn."

When those who dissent are told time and time again -- as we will be, if not tonight by the President, then tomorrow by his portable public chorus -- that he is preserving our freedom, but that if we use any of it, we are somehow un-American...When we are scolded, that if we merely question, we have "forgotten the lessons of 9/11"... look into this empty space behind me and the bi-partisanship upon which this administration also did not build, and tell me:

Who has left this hole in the ground?

We have not forgotten, Mr. President.

You have.

May this country forgive you.

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« Reply #52 on: September 12, 2006, 09:42:35 AM »
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they aren't perfect but some are worse than others so you go with the lesser of two evils ... what other option is there?

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« Reply #53 on: September 12, 2006, 09:43:11 AM »
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Originally posted by Seagoon And now for the facts:

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/IraqBodyCount2006.htm


I'm shocked that an anti-muslim hate website would try to deny documented muslim casualties.  What's next, a link to kkk.org on how slavery wasn't all that bad?
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« Reply #54 on: September 12, 2006, 09:46:36 AM »
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No Funked, I don't think so. I'm not a supporter of the Bush initiative. I think it's misguided, wasteful and futile. My opinion is pretty clear. If we decide to go to war, we do it the way it's always been done. We don't go in their to rebuild and restructure and make shower-buddies out of bitter enemies. We go in to destroy the foe and anyone else who gets in the way. And if we're not ready to do that, and we damn-well might not be, then we're better off staying here and rebuilding. Plain and simple.

I really doubt that the average American would agree with that. We're too busy shedding tears over Iraqi chimps waving American flags. I could care less. We've got nothing in common, not in interest or in value, and if they harbored Saddam for 30 years, it should have been their job to get him out.

The guy in the phone conversation got me to thinking, and my thinking is that I'd rather he had lived than all the families, friends and pets of each of the Hijackers. Since we're not ready to go on a massive extermination-spree, we should probably find another course of action that we are ready to execute.

And for the record, I didn't have a holiday yesterday.


You have a point as usual.  I was being a little dramatic back there but I think you get my point too.

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« Reply #55 on: September 12, 2006, 09:49:11 AM »
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they aren't perfect but some are worse than others so you go with the lesser of two evils ... what other option is there?


There are plenty of options.

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« Reply #56 on: September 12, 2006, 09:50:46 AM »
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Nah, I just think these generalizations are silly.  All blacks are not lazy, all gays are not pansies, and all Islamics are not bloodthirsty maniacs.

It's funny how it feels when y'all are on the receiving end instead of dishing it out.  That's a constant across the entire human condition.


There is a whole generation of youth being educated in Madras to believe in the name of Islam that it is ok to kill Zionists. It is ok to kill apostates. It is ok to kill non believers.

The only justification for these actions is that their religion says so. It is not because of any real persecution or revenge. They hear stories of how Muslims are being attacked and persecuted but that is no different than saying Christians should wipe out Muslims as revenge for what is happening in Sudan.

These schools are funded by mainstream Muslim groups and Saudi Arabia. There is no mainstream Muslim group or cleric saying what the above author has said. It is wrong to teach that it is ok to kill such people in the name of Islam.

And that is the problem. Sure 99% of Muslims do not become terrorists. But how many silently support what these people are doing? Where is the abhoration and condemnation from ordinary mainstream Muslims over the acts of radicals in the name of their religion?

There is no parallel to anything like this happening in Christianity. The current mainstream christian churches are no more interested in wiping Islam off the face of the earth as they are in instilling a new constitution and laws based on biblical law.

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« Reply #57 on: September 12, 2006, 10:22:08 AM »
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If you make fun of Christians but not Muslims then I say you have no intestinal fortitude. Would be interested in seeing what is published.


Well the first dealt with a comparison of Lebanese and Red Sox fans, the 2nd has a picture of the Prophet Mohammed, the third makes fun of myself, and the 4th makes fun of Christians.

I'm really trying to be "fair and balanced" with my antagonizations, but you have to take into account I only get three panels per week, so patience is needed to give each group their shot ;)
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« Reply #58 on: September 12, 2006, 10:22:49 AM »
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they aren't perfect but some are worse than others so you go with the lesser of two evils ... what other option is there?
If we are willing to accept mediocrity, then that is exactly what we will get (or worse).

Having to settle for the lesser of any evils is not acceptable.  We do it because it is easier to do than the alternative.  Which would be to stand up in a unified voice and proclaim, "We are not going to take it anymore!  We will not accept medocrity!  We deserve the best this nation has to offer and you are not it!".
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« Reply #59 on: September 12, 2006, 10:26:07 AM »
what skuzzy said.
this thread is doomed.
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