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Squire · « **Reply #225 on:** October 12, 2006, 09:53:20 AM »

The Arab countries and the Palestinians could have opted for peace in 1948, but chose war, so how about a nice big cup of tough s***, honestly.

...The hypocracy of the Europeans and British never ceases to amaze me regarding Israel...you want a list of the Colonial Wars and Empire building do we?

"that Israel is into empire building and stealing land"

Cue the violin music

Mightytboy · « **Reply #226 on:** October 12, 2006, 09:54:33 AM »

When Hamas and Hezbullah stop the violence then Israel would do the same.

If Israel wanted the land they could have taken it years ago but as it is now they are even giving land back as part of a peace offering that was rewarded by more violence against them.

Israel offers peace and is told to piss off.

And yet you still see Israel as the aggressor.

I sure hope you are a troll if not you need to start the meds.

Neubob · « **Reply #227 on:** October 12, 2006, 10:33:28 AM »

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Originally posted by Overlag
so you agree that Israel is into empire building and stealing land, they want Lebanon's defences taken away (Hezbullah ) so they can take that land too?

Yeah, they're Empire building. That's why they've given back most of the land they've taken in the wars between their formation and now. If they're empire building, then they're not doing a very good job at it.

Mightyboy is correct. If the Arabs stopped fighting (shelling civilian targets), there would be peace. If Isreal stopped fighting, there would be no Israel.

The fact of the matter here is much more simple. If you had as many Jews walking the streets of Europe as you did Arabs, the lot of you would be crying for krystalnacht part 2.

Just like we Americans are a bunch of gun-toting, bible-thumping rednecks, you suffer from geosocially-induced antisemitism. The things to which you're blind, we see, and vice versa, and it'll be a cold day in hell before either side admits to being wrong, morally questionable, or logically-flawed. Stereotypes suck, but there's often a morsel of truth in them all.

Overlag · « **Reply #228 on:** October 12, 2006, 11:58:53 AM »

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Originally posted by Neubob

Mightyboy is correct. If the Arabs stopped fighting (shelling civilian targets), there would be peace. If Isreal stopped fighting, there would be no Israel.

all of Israels fighting is outside of its boarders, it is the aggressor because of this.

Israel cant be defending itself if its always outside of its boarders, its one of the prime reasons everyone bordering this country hates it.

Chairboy · « **Reply #229 on:** October 12, 2006, 12:26:13 PM »

Overlag: To support your assertion, please provide some good examples of Israel attacking without provocation. I'm looking for examples where they weren't invaded, shelled, attacked with rockets, bombed, attacked by fighter planes, and so on.

Germany invaded poland, give me an example of one of Israel's equivalents.

Neubob · « **Reply #230 on:** October 12, 2006, 01:19:52 PM »

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Originally posted by Overlag
Israel cant be defending itself if its always outside of its boarders, its one of the prime reasons everyone bordering this country hates it.

So what is it doing, Overlag? Empire's aren't built by returning conquored lands. Empires aren't built by making concessions to people who've sworn to wipe you from the face of the Earth. If Israel wanted an empire, they would have razed the region, to the best of their ability, a long time ago. What are they doing then? Palestine, whatever is left of it, whatever exists today, would have long ago been converted into a condo subdivision.

Israel is aggressive about it's survival. They are guilty of nothing else. They've long since accepted the 'them or us' condition that they were tacitly given by their neighbors. Furthermore, they were taught well by various Europeans, and continue to be taught, that trust is not to be handed out liberally.

It seems like it's not just this country's neighbors that hate it, and the answer to the question of why is the most intriguing of all.

WMLute · « **Reply #231 on:** October 12, 2006, 02:41:35 PM »

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the only countries that think that are Israel and USA, hence why Hezbullah and Hamas are not seen as terrorist organisations by some countries.....

so you agree that Israel is into empire building and stealing land, they want Lebanon's defences taken away (Hezbullah ) so they can take that land too?

Anybody who doesn't think Hezbollah or Hamas are NOT terrorists isn't worth holding a conversation with.

Their ignorance is to the point of "How do you function in the world".

Go to Dictionary.com. Type in HEZBOLLAH or HAMAS

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Hezbollah

n : a Shi'ite terrorist organization with strong ties to Iran; seeks to create an Iranian fundamentalist Islamic state in Lebanon; car bombs are the signature weapon

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Hamas

n : a militant Islamic fundamentalist political movement that opposes peace with Israel and uses terrorism as a weapon; seeks to create an Islamic state in place of Israel; is opposed to the PLO and has become a leading perpetrator of terrorist activity in Israel; pioneered suicide bombing

If it's in the friggin dictionary, it's pretty accepted. The only people who do NOT consider them terrorists are either terrorists, or people that really need to take one for the team and clean the gene pool. I mean really, how totally clueless do you have to be to NOT consider them terrorists? One would thing the whole "car bomb" thing would be a clue.

(edit: Israel is 100% within international law to occupy the captured territories btw. what's it like not even sorta kinda having a clue? is ignorance indeed bliss? please let me know, i'm curious.)

Engine · « **Reply #232 on:** October 12, 2006, 04:25:55 PM »

Overlag, out of curiosity, how old are you?

WMLute · « **Reply #233 on:** October 12, 2006, 04:45:50 PM »

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Anybody who doesn't think Hezbollah or Hamas are NOT terrorists isn't worth holding a conversation with.

ouch dbl negative.

Anybody who THINKS Hezbollah or Hamas are NOT terrorists isn't worth holding a conversationg with.

~Caligula~ · « **Reply #234 on:** October 12, 2006, 04:47:13 PM »

so if we talk about brits bagging on israel on nukes..
the uk has nukes as well. the uk has lands that are considered occupied by some that live on that land. how about going back to 1982 and look how the uk sent over all it`s military might over a few marines displayed lying on the the streets in the falklands. how about gibraltar? and lets come to the biggest of them all...northern ireland. ok,u can say that there`s a peace process. but u sure need a partner to talk to. were the irish sworn to destroy england, would u want to talk to them?

Overlag · « **Reply #235 on:** October 12, 2006, 05:31:42 PM »

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Germany invaded poland, give me an example of one of Israel's equivalents.

Palestine.

and i didn't say hamas and hezbollah wasn't terrorists.... I said a few countries don't see them as terrorists.

Car bombing happens a lot in Iraq as well doesn't it.... Probably because they arent happy with being occupied either.

~Caligula~ · « **Reply #236 on:** October 12, 2006, 05:39:20 PM »

overlag
are u a muslim living in the uk,or do u have an arab girlfriend giving u an awsome head and filling ur head with bs afterwards in exchange?

WMLute · « **Reply #237 on:** October 12, 2006, 05:41:41 PM »

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palestine.

Gonna give you a chance to shine here Overlag.

Explain.

That's all. EXPLAIN how it all happened. Give me dates, facts, cite sources, all that. Now I am not asking for a huge post, just a paragraph or 3 explaining just how Israel invaded Palestine. Who was involved. What dates. Sequence of events etc, etc...

I would like to see just where your version of history is coming from. So don't just say it happened, SHOW me where it happened and how it happened.

With Google this should be a 5min exercise. Please provide links. If it's a book, please provide ISBN #. If it's all just an opinion, then my apologies in advance for what my reply will be.

Overlag · « **Reply #238 on:** October 12, 2006, 05:43:48 PM »

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Originally posted by ~Caligula~
and lets come to the biggest of them all...northern ireland. ok,u can say that there`s a peace process. but u sure need a partner to talk to. were the irish sworn to destroy england, would u want to talk to them?

ah here comes the Northern Ireland talk...

very simular to what Israel has done/doing with palestine, and lebanon... But i dont remember the brits killing 700-1000 odd people per year...

and then, while we on the subject, can you see what i mean about some countries not labeling Hamas as terrorists but freedom fighters? the USA suppied IRA.... IRA was only a terrorist to us, not the rest of the world. Exact same as Israel and its allies label hamas and hezbullah as terrorists..... well duh.

Overlag · « **Reply #239 on:** October 12, 2006, 05:51:15 PM »

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Gonna give you a chance to shine here Overlag.

Explain.

That's all. EXPLAIN how it all happened. Give me dates, facts, cite sources, all that. Now I am not asking for a huge post, just a paragraph or 3 explaining just how Israel invaded Palestine. Who was involved. What dates. Sequence of events etc, etc...

I would like to see just where your version of history is coming from. So don't just say it happened, SHOW me where it happened and how it happened.

With Google this should be a 5min exercise. Please provide links. If it's a book, please provide ISBN #. If it's all just an opinion, then my apologies in advance for what my reply will be.

read any media source OTHER than Fox (any US/Israel) news, i cba doing the work for you, because i think no matter how much proof there was, you still wouldnt believe it.

earlier someone whined that 4000 Jews have died since 1948, yet Israel killed that many people (note, all religions) between 2000-2005 alone.

I have a question for you all.
If a foriegn country occppies your country and starts ethnic cleansing by forcing you out of your homes, destorying houses, you would just sit down and take it?