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Offline Tigeress

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« Reply #60 on: October 19, 2007, 12:50:15 PM »
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Dang it woman, put down them hotsy totsy, high falutin` magazines that`s filling your head with all them silly notions...................... ...........and go cook me some taters. :)


 

Seriously I think we have seen more than enough to see what happens when women are put in combat situations. For example, we have seen what happens to women when they are captured. Not pretty. Not pretty at all.
It can also get real complicated , real fast, in tight situations of war.
When the poo hits the fan, then the males involved alongside of the women feel that they not only have their backs to watch, but also the women. Complicating and dangerous. It takes attention away from the situation at hand at the worst of times. That`s just the way it is.
Men feel a need to protect women in dire situations. That`s our job so to speak.
We also saw enough from Nam to see what can happen if women are used to fight against you. One blink, one hesitation and it`s too late. Most men of the western world are appalled at the thought of having to kill a woman. So...................you are at a disadvantage in the survival field.

 

I don`t view women as possessions in any shape, form or fashion.

 

If Skuzz will excuse me........................... .OH HELL NO!  :rofl

 

Well, when you get down to it, that pretty much sums up war.


Hiya Jackal!

I fix a mean!!!! mess o'taters!!!

Love to watch a hungry man enjoying my cooking!

I thought you would be honest! Cool...

Women in combat roles are forced to earn their spurz, thus respect... so do the men.

The German males these Russian women fought seemed to have no ethical problems when it came to  raping, torturing, and killing female combatants they managed to capture.

The women knew what would happen and fought anyway, relentlessly and methodically, and with deadly determination, killing as many of those males as they could as often as humanly possible with no mercy shown; and no mercy expected.

These Russian women killed more men than were killed themselves.
The stories are there to read... still, came the Night Witches and female Russian Fighter Pilots... to send them all to hell.

I can promise you before God, had I been there with them I would have climbed into my cockpit and bombed those b@stards to bits, as often and as long as I could. I am naturally a very non-violent person but in the situation they faced, I have it within me to do it... I am human.

FWTW, I joined WWII in Color forum in order to discuss the Night Witches, The Rose of Stalingrad, the La-5/7, Russian women in combat, and the little Po-2 bomber... with active duty Russian Military men.

And, HiTech, and Pyro, and Skuzzy, to also promote flying in Aces High and this forum with these men from around the world.

http://www.ww2incolor.com/forum/showthread.php?p=110482#post110482

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« Reply #61 on: October 19, 2007, 02:36:29 PM »
tigress.. so you are saying that I would be punished more for beating up a woman who said vile filthy things to me than if it were a man.

I agree...  I would most certainly be punished more... in fact.. I would probly not be punished at all if I did so to a man and.... people around would probly cheer.

If however.. I did this to a woman... I would indeed be sued to death after my jail term if... if I survived the beating that the men watching would deal out.

I don't think that you or I would have it any other way but... you can't have it both ways... you can't be equal and not equal so far as combat goes.

If you were a man...you would understand that combat is two people fighting as much as it is a war.

This is fundamental.. it is a difference that can not be denied.. we are not at all equal.. this same mentality carries through to the military... it is a bad idea to put people in this situation.

Women are raped in the service and men are confused and the whole thing is simply a bad idea.

I think that there a plenty of jobs women can do but there are plenty that they should not do.  

I do not want to pay my taxes for substandard soldiers or police or firemen for instance... women  99.9% of them are substandard in those fields and the only way that you can make them fit is to lower the standards.

lowering the standards may fit a PC touchy feely ideal but it is a rip off for the citizen.

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« Reply #62 on: October 19, 2007, 03:23:16 PM »
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tigress.. so you are saying that I would be punished more for beating up a woman who said vile filthy things to me than if it were a man.

I agree...  I would most certainly be punished more... in fact.. I would probly not be punished at all if I did so to a man and.... people around would probly cheer.

If however.. I did this to a woman... I would indeed be sued to death after my jail term if... if I survived the beating that the men watching would deal out.

I don't think that you or I would have it any other way but... you can't have it both ways... you can't be equal and not equal so far as combat goes.

If you were a man...you would understand that combat is two people fighting as much as it is a war.

This is fundamental.. it is a difference that can not be denied.. we are not at all equal.. this same mentality carries through to the military... it is a bad idea to put people in this situation.

Women are raped in the service and men are confused and the whole thing is simply a bad idea.

I think that there a plenty of jobs women can do but there are plenty that they should not do.  

I do not want to pay my taxes for substandard soldiers or police or firemen for instance... women  99.9% of them are substandard in those fields and the only way that you can make them fit is to lower the standards.

lowering the standards may fit a PC touchy feely ideal but it is a rip off for the citizen.

lazs


Hi Lazs,

I read sincerity in your post and understand what you are saying and why.

I do so hope you realize, I have don't have a personal quarrel with another because they have differing opinions and believe you feel the same.

Opinions are opinions.

Yours are yours; I have mine; others have theirs.

I thank you for doing a service to women everywhere by being the protagonist for the views you put forth in our friendly discussions which, no doubt, shed light to many on an important topic.

I am seriously heartened by the delightful number of men here expressing their respect and support for women... and women in combat... and in once case, for their military boobs. :rofl BigBMAW, perhaps some day you can have the honor of pinning a metal on a chest such as hers!

We can agree to disagree and we have previously found common ground on other related issues. I have your quotes. I never expected any more than that.

I like you and respect you and look forward to future debates on a variety of subjects. You speak your mind and I can not help but respect that.

Being a Moderate, I have views which are divided between Pro-Republican and Pro-Democrat... balance is the key, in my opinion... not too far to the right; not too far to the left.

It's time to throw out the Rupublicans to punish them for 8 years for the total disgrace Geo. W. Bush and his Republican Congress created. What a bunch of facist hacks they turned out to be. hahahaha What a big disappointment.

November '08 is on its way and I am registered to vote!

mmmmm... :) socialized medicine... that will teach them to go overboard with that ultra conservative crap! :rofl and lets see... oh yes, the hate crimes bill lets get that signed cause Bush and Co has ensured enough backlash to create the Thought Police, uhhh... and the coming vacant seats on the Supreme Court, to the left they go. ;) Oh, and make amends to everyone one we crapped on internationally who were once our friends.

I will leave your "mano y mano" threads alone... mostly. :rofl hahahaha
I have no interest in verbal fistfights and forum brawling!!!

 

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« Reply #63 on: October 20, 2007, 04:51:07 AM »
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 Oh, and make amends to everyone one we crapped on internationally who were once our friends.


Curious. Such as?
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« Reply #64 on: October 20, 2007, 04:58:47 AM »
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Curious. Such as?


The people of Great Britian for starters...

A backlash was Tony Blair was thrown out for caving in to Bush, wasn't he?

Blair Gone

And Russia...

America Alone

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« Reply #65 on: October 20, 2007, 05:12:52 AM »
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The people of Great Britian for starters...
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How, in your opinion, did we "crap" on Great Britian?
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« Reply #66 on: October 20, 2007, 05:24:05 AM »
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How, in your opinion, did we "crap" on Great Britian?


Isn't the art of politics really the art of neogotation and compromise?

I have seldom seen such strong armed international tactics as has been used since 911 and it's distancing the USA from her friends.

Understand, I am not a socialist by any means...

When I said I am disappointed and its time for a correction in the political balance of power in the US, it's because I expected better than this from Geo. W. Bush & Co.

I voted for him, twice... the country had gone too far to the left, imo.

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« Reply #67 on: October 20, 2007, 05:27:47 AM »
Didn`t answer my question, but what the hay.
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« Reply #68 on: October 20, 2007, 05:33:39 AM »
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Didn`t answer my question, but what the hay.


Thats fair...

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How, in your opinion, did we "crap" on Great Britian?


Bush has been dictating to our allies... and its upsetting the status quo a great deal, imo.

The US didn't do that in WWII. The Muslim extremists are empowered by it, imo.

The art of politics is really the art of neogotation and compromise.

I have seldom seen such strong armed international tactics as has been used since 911 and it's distancing the USA from her friends.

Understand, I am not a socialist by any means...

When I said I am disappointed and its time for a correction in the political balance of power in the US, it's because I expected better than this from Geo. W. Bush & Co.

I voted for him, twice... the country had gone too far to the left, imo.

Father knows best only when Father knows best...

After the last 16 years... I am beginning to think a single 5 year presidential term might fix this problem.

...and term limits on congress.

We are not fighting a country, imo... we are fighting a Religion... Islam.

That isn't fixed with bullets... that just strengthens Islamic Extremists' power.

It's like the Hydra. Cut off one snake head and two grow back to replace it.
They want us to shoot them for just that reason.

But all this is a topic hijack... I started it and that wasn't right.
This is not the topic for this thread... my bad.

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« Reply #69 on: October 20, 2007, 05:36:49 AM »
So I guess I can`t expect an answer anyways soon, huh? :)
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« Reply #70 on: October 20, 2007, 06:09:21 AM »
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So I guess I can`t expect an answer anyways soon, huh? :)


I started a thread on it... :) it's only right to keep on topic.

This thread is about the Night Witches thus women in combat.

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« Reply #71 on: October 20, 2007, 07:11:19 AM »
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How, in your opinion, did we "crap" on Great Britian?


I think Geo. W. Bush & Co is "crapping" on our friends by forcing them down the wrong path. Please see the new thread: It's Like the Hydra

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« Reply #72 on: October 20, 2007, 10:19:46 AM »
tigress.. so you believe that a liberal socialist country is preferable to a more conservative one.. that it is a good thing to have liberal judges disregard the constitution?   that will somehow "teach them"?

Have you heard of the expression "cutting off your nose to spite your face"?

Unless you really want liberal socialism... you would not vote for democrats given who is running.   "moderate" is not liberal socialist.

the logic of your thinking can only lead me to conclude that I would be better off with you not voting.

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« Reply #73 on: October 20, 2007, 10:45:55 AM »
Tigress, didn't you make the claim in one of your threads that women make the best fight pilots due to their ability to multi-task better than men and some other factors?

I've been wondering if you have any proof to support that opinion.

For example, has there been an overwhelming percentage of women pilots getting the Distinguished Graduate award at Top Gun or Red Flag when compared to the number of males vs females in those classes?

Are their any women since WW2 that have air-to-air kills or that have made Ace status?

I've just been curious about that statement since you made it.

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« Reply #74 on: October 20, 2007, 12:19:24 PM »
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Tigress, didn't you make the claim in one of your threads that women make the best fight pilots due to their ability to multi-task better than men and some other factors?

I've been wondering if you have any proof to support that opinion.

For example, has there been an overwhelming percentage of women pilots getting the Distinguished Graduate award at Top Gun or Red Flag when compared to the number of males vs females in those classes?

Are their any women since WW2 that have air-to-air kills or that have made Ace status?

I've just been curious about that statement since you made it.

Thanks.


I know I see women "multi-tasking" while operating motor vehicles quite often. Quantity does NOT equal quality in this case.
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