Author Topic: Why are ho's bad? (Read 2727 times)

Flame 2 the boy · « **Reply #60 on:** March 15, 2007, 01:03:26 PM »

SIGH...here we go again on Hoin'. Personally i think hoing is somewhat dweebish, but i have been known to go head to head against the enemy.

Bronk · « **Reply #61 on:** March 15, 2007, 01:19:30 PM »

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Originally posted by manurin
Did you pull up ctrl+D and confirm no damage on your end?

Yes bronk, that's why i just wrote about it, because after reading so much about collision effects , i wanted to check by myself.

Hmm I suppose that would mean the damage assessment model is more complex.
It takes more than just a "touch" to do damage, going by what you say.
Wonder if HT could comment on that?

Bronk

mars01 · « **Reply #62 on:** March 15, 2007, 03:13:16 PM »

Do a search Newbe

whiznr · « **Reply #63 on:** March 16, 2007, 01:47:58 PM »

You can catch unwanted diseases from ho's.

In Warbirds, 90% of the HO's resulted in collisions, 5% I died, 5% Pure Lucky Kill.

Scca · « **Reply #64 on:** March 16, 2007, 01:56:45 PM »

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Originally posted by mars01
Do a search Newbe

I tried to search on "HO" but it's too short. Perhaps that's part of the reason there are so many HO threads....

Hum, me thinks the search feature needs improvement....

kamilyun · « **Reply #65 on:** March 16, 2007, 02:01:17 PM »

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Originally posted by hubsonfire
I still say it's cowardly to shoot a man in the back. HOing is much more sporting, because at least the other guy has chance to defend himself.

I challenge you to a duel!

SkyRock · « **Reply #66 on:** March 16, 2007, 11:40:37 PM »

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Originally posted by Oleg
Kweassa, you type too much

In short, HO tactics was used widely in WW2. Generally, if you have more guns and tough plane HO is good for you. More skilled you become, less probably you will HO. That was said by real WW2 pilots (i read memoirs).

I dont say HO is good in game but it not "gamey" because its real and widely used tactics, unlike divebombing heavies, for example.

btw, thanks for pointing me at source of statement, i couldnt remember there it comes from. [/QUOTE
you are wrong. HO's were very rare and only taken when split second decisions had to be made and the situation presented itself. They were tctics taught at the beginning of the war by the Germans facing bombers. Most of you HO guys try to make it sound like Air Forces were openly teaching the tactic. The most common kill in WWII was the high blind 6!
This si a game and HOing is a lame tactic because you waste a fight. There is no fight in HOing someone, onl cowardice!

Mark

Schatzi · « **Reply #67 on:** March 17, 2007, 05:40:27 AM »

Real life or not.

In the game, ill try to avoid getting in front of your guns. That includes a HO position.

If *you* are going for the HO on merge.... well, thank you. It will leave you in a bad position and hand me your behind on a platter.

hyena426 · « **Reply #68 on:** March 17, 2007, 08:25:29 AM »

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you are wrong. HO's were very rare and only taken when split second decisions had to be made and the situation presented itself. They were tctics taught at the beginning of the war by the Germans facing bombers. Most of you HO guys try to make it sound like Air Forces were openly teaching the tactic.

you are wrong,.,.i have a training mannual for the air force..{think its 342nd} ill have to dig it out of my closet..compiled info from aces of ww2 for training new pilots.......and heads on were encouraged by some allied pilots in the mannual...one p47 ace said he beleived his 50 cals out ranged the german guns on a merge...and they got quite a few kills this way.....i was supruized...ill dig it up..if you dont beleive me..you can find the book out your self at amazon or hastings..lol...im sure alot of pilots didnt head on..but quite a few did.

i dont ho much in this game...only unless i have no choice in the matter..low and out of engery and about 10 planes on me..oohh yes..ill take a shot when that happens..lol

SkyRock · « **Reply #69 on:** March 17, 2007, 10:21:25 AM »

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Originally posted by hyena426
you are wrong,.,.i have a training mannual for the air force..{think its 342nd} ill have to dig it out of my closet..compiled info from aces of ww2 for training new pilots.......and heads on were encouraged by some allied pilots in the mannual...one p47 ace said he beleived his 50 cals out ranged the german guns on a merge...and they got quite a few kills this way.....i was supruized...ill dig it up..if you dont beleive me..you can find the book out your self at amazon or hastings..lol...im sure alot of pilots didnt head on..but quite a few did.

i dont ho much in this game...only unless i have no choice in the matter..low and out of engery and about 10 planes on me..oohh yes..ill take a shot when that happens..lol [/QUOTE

I don't disagree with your findings as I know there were some who had success in head on attacks, I will say that it was not the first and most preferred approack to attacking an enemy. Even the fellas in your book that HOd would have much better liked the attack from the 6 where there is no way for any of the enemies bullets to touch you! Still, ingame it is a sign of newbery! Who wants to fly for 10 minutes and then die HOing? It is just plain lame and no learning occurs from it.

sgt203 · « **Reply #70 on:** March 18, 2007, 02:31:26 AM »

Learning Hmmmmmmmm.....

Ive learned from HO's......

Ive learned I hit them they blow up....

They hit me I blow up....

Ive learned not to try and cold merge in the MA (for the most part) cuase just when you do you get shot in the face with the above result.....

So there is learning in the HO.....

Not alot but still learning

P.S. I see nothing wrong with the HO when your level of skill ( such as mine) or the situation requires it. However it should not be the move of first choice

WMLute · « **Reply #71 on:** March 18, 2007, 06:09:58 AM »

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Originally posted by sgt203
Ive learned not to try and cold merge in the MA (for the most part) cuase just when you do you get shot in the face with the above result.....

I love HO'rs. They make my job of killing them almost criminally easy. I don't avoid the head on, I fly right at the idiots. BUT I do a nice break/lead turn at the merge and am generally 1/2 way around on my way to their 6 and an easy kill before they even let off the trigger.

There is timing involved, but it's rare they even land a hit, let alone a ping once you get it down.

Kweassa · « **Reply #72 on:** March 18, 2007, 06:15:39 AM »

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I dont say HO is good in game but it not "gamey" because its real and widely used tactics, unlike divebombing heavies, for example/

I don't doubt HOs were also a viable tactic in WW2. However again, the logic behind the the HOs of reality and those in game are very different, and they are not the same things.

People hating HOs in the game, is about the attitude, not the maneuver itself.

ColKLink · « **Reply #73 on:** March 20, 2007, 06:34:59 AM »

Drive a 110 and win 95% of yer ho's. free advice. worth what ya paid for it. zero.

SkyRock · « **Reply #74 on:** March 20, 2007, 07:51:20 AM »

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Originally posted by WMLute
I love HO'rs. They make my job of killing them almost criminally easy. I don't avoid the head on, I fly right at the idiots. BUT I do a nice break/lead turn at the merge and am generally 1/2 way around on my way to their 6 and an easy kill before they even let off the trigger.

There is timing involved, but it's rare they even land a hit, let alone a ping once you get it down.

Exactly what I do and I rarely ever get hit, I just think that we vets that know acm should always steer younger players into learning the fight instead of encouraging them to be a flight sim weeenie!