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Offline Torque

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« Reply #195 on: June 25, 2007, 09:26:20 AM »
yeah...that's the mark of a responsible gun owner, forgetting about your firearm in your car.

any stories about forgotten firearms and toddlers...just for balance?

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« Reply #196 on: June 25, 2007, 10:04:01 AM »
I forgot my toddler at a friend's house and had to return to retrieve her once but I never forget my firearm.  will that do?

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« Reply #197 on: June 25, 2007, 10:39:01 AM »
Lazs:
"It was enough to make you weep... grown men never having fired a handgun and unable to do so because of worthless laws and the nannies like you who just "feel better" telling others what to do."

YEAH :D

(I fire my 12" with one hand, do you think I can handle it? Also, when I first fired a M1, I didn't notice the punch. Same with the Ruger I fired the other day). Well, the Government tell me I can't so I can justkeep practicing and dreaming, but guess what, I'm happy about it.
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It was very interesting to carry out the flight trials at Rechlin with the Spitfire and the Hurricane. Both types are very simple to fly compared to our aircraft, and childishly easy to take-off and land. (Werner Mölders)

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« Reply #198 on: June 25, 2007, 10:39:53 AM »
As for the worthless law, don't get into a stats contest with Canada either. Funny isn't it?
It was very interesting to carry out the flight trials at Rechlin with the Spitfire and the Hurricane. Both types are very simple to fly compared to our aircraft, and childishly easy to take-off and land. (Werner Mölders)

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« Reply #199 on: June 25, 2007, 01:36:08 PM »
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As for the worthless law, don't get into a stats contest with Canada either. Funny isn't it?


But the thing you still fail to cover, is why were the homicide rates greater in the US even when the UK (or Canada) had as liberal, or more liberal firearm laws? Same laxness, differnt homicide rates.


Why is there no rash of bloodshed in Switzerland, with far more firearm's in home than in Germany?

Why are there no drive-by shootings in my neighborhood, or the vast majority of the US, but select neighborhoods where there are? The gun laws are the same for both.

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« Reply #200 on: June 25, 2007, 01:51:43 PM »
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(I fire my 12" with one hand, do you think I can handle it?


i don't know too much about guns, what's a 12"?

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« Reply #201 on: June 25, 2007, 01:57:34 PM »
Charon, you bet on the social structure as the only thing to blame, hence no direct compareability right?
(a bit like Michael Moore when he compared the USA to Canada?)
I put my money on the mixture, i.e. weapon availability (how easy it is to get one, esepcially one you can keep in your pocket) AND the neighbouthood/atmosphere/moment/, - just name it. When you have (hot headed) fools with guns, you may expect to see some blood and therefor ++++
As for Switzerland (I was there and got promptly sweeped on the way in from Germany!), they don't have much slackness in law enforcement. But somehow (by the ways of the law etc?) crime seems to rely very little on guns.
It was very interesting to carry out the flight trials at Rechlin with the Spitfire and the Hurricane. Both types are very simple to fly compared to our aircraft, and childishly easy to take-off and land. (Werner Mölders)

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« Reply #202 on: June 25, 2007, 01:58:53 PM »
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i don't know too much about guns, what's a 12"?


It's a Shotgun.12 gauge. Standard meanhorn.
It was very interesting to carry out the flight trials at Rechlin with the Spitfire and the Hurricane. Both types are very simple to fly compared to our aircraft, and childishly easy to take-off and land. (Werner Mölders)

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« Reply #203 on: June 25, 2007, 02:08:15 PM »
torque... I may have forgotten that the gun was in the car because it was in a spot not in open view and...

To be more accurate about it...  it was more that I had forgotten that I had entered a strange land without handguns than that I had forgotten I had a handgun.

As for toddlers... children should be taught to not touch firearms without an adult to supervise.   People leave all manner of dangerous objects within reach of toddlers.

angus...you still have not answered the simple question...  at what point.. what gun law in canada reduced it's homicide and serious crime rate?

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« Reply #204 on: June 25, 2007, 02:09:24 PM »
oh, a 12 gauge. my daddy bought me one of them when i was a little kid.

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« Reply #205 on: June 25, 2007, 02:23:44 PM »
Canada?
I was referring to Europe mostly, only know that Canada has for some reason much less serious crime than the USA. Now fill me in on gun ownership and rules and I'll give you my thought on it :D

On the flip side, would you think that European major crime rate would get less (and thereby increasing the distance from the USA) if every Tom, Dick and Harry had a "little" arsenal. ??
It was very interesting to carry out the flight trials at Rechlin with the Spitfire and the Hurricane. Both types are very simple to fly compared to our aircraft, and childishly easy to take-off and land. (Werner Mölders)

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« Reply #206 on: June 25, 2007, 02:24:25 PM »
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oh, a 12 gauge. my daddy bought me one of them when i was a little kid.


What do you use today for hunting birds? Bofors 40 mm?
It was very interesting to carry out the flight trials at Rechlin with the Spitfire and the Hurricane. Both types are very simple to fly compared to our aircraft, and childishly easy to take-off and land. (Werner Mölders)

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« Reply #207 on: June 25, 2007, 05:38:24 PM »
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the only thing to blame


I'm not an absolutist by any means. I believe gangbangers have easier access to guns in the US, but I don't believe they would be at a loss to substantially make up that should far greater restrictions be put in place. They have no trouble doing so with substances like illegal drugs. Guns are, if anything, much easier to smuggle than drugs due to their physical properties even if they weren't already present by the millions.

I do believe that the presence of self defense firearms helps keep down the spread of crime outside of the primary gangland operating areas. The criminals themselves agree that they fear an armed victim more than the police. Casual robberies, even if they involve a firearm, seldom involve a shooting. They typically occur in areas where the victim is unlikely to be armed. Home intrusions are virtually unheard of, perhaps because a lot of people who don't carry a concealed firearm on the street have one in the nightstand. In any case, they primarily only shoot other criminals that are similarly involved in the dangerous but lucrative illicit drug trade. There is no reason to shoot a casual mugging/robbery victim, or in many cases to use a gun and in many cases a knife would be optional since the goal is to target the weaker members of the herd. Gangland turf wars require a different level of force, and one that is typically only experienced by those "in the trade."

I think that politicians that concentrate on the guns vs. the social issues are taking the easy way out, and a way that will not substantially impact the danger or quality of life in those worst of neighborhoods. They lack the courage and leadership to take on human problems, and find blaming the gun and not the trigger puller to be the easy and politically safe way out.

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« Reply #208 on: June 26, 2007, 04:26:46 AM »
Well, that's what politicians do....
Anyway, the problem in the USA is IMHO inverted to Europe, and therefor tougher to deal with. If possible at all.
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« Reply #209 on: June 26, 2007, 08:28:29 AM »
angus... if your-0-peeans again allowed their people to be armed... yes... every tom dick and harry... whatever that means... sounds kind of class warfare to me tho...

If they did allow the peasants to be armed again... there would be no more homicide or serious crime...  there would be a decrease in the number of burglaries and strongarm crimes.

What would be the difference?   you only have people obeying the draconian and tyrannical rights violation gun laws because of the penalties... just make the penalties for GUN CRIME as high or higher than you do for a poor citizen to defend himself or even touch a firearm of the wrong type at the wrong time.

It is more than a debate...you are the enemy. a human rights violater of the worst sort.   You feel you have the right to take away your fellows right to defend themselves from tyrants both inside and out.  

I am guessing that I could find more than a few people in your country who feel that their right to own firearms..  their human right to defend themselves... is being violated...  just because you are happy with the laws does not give you the right to have them.

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