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« Reply #105 on: June 20, 2007, 04:35:44 PM »
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German ancestry dominated America in the early 1800s.  You also have French and British and other minorities from Western Europe.  America was already multinational since its inception.


No way.

BTW, you didn't even have a "Germany" back then.
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« Reply #106 on: June 20, 2007, 04:43:31 PM »
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laurie..  only the left pushes multiculturalism..  It is not popular with people... it shoved down their throats.   The idea is to destroy any remaining sense of country so that socialism can thrive.


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I don't fear multiculturism, and I voted for the Conservative party last election.  
Multiculturism does work because the influx of different cultures eventually defines a culture.  Your culture in the US and ours in the UK are the result of the amalgamation and integration of different cultures over many generations.  Obvious example is our language, which has evolved as a result of cultural integration - Latin, Anglo-Saxon, Norman French, Jewish, Afro-Caribbean, Hindi & many others. English, the most expressive, adaptable and flexible language on Earth, which is obviously part of our culture.
 Put up the barbed wire fences and become isolated and the natural evolution of culture will stagnate. The most culturally isolated state at present is North Korea, which last time I looked was Socialist.  China, USSR, Cuba, East Germany were all self isolated and desperately anti-multiculturist. History shows that socialism only thrives when a country's population is prevented from multicultural interaction.  I'm struggling with your arguement that multiculturism is a socialist ideology.
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« Reply #107 on: June 20, 2007, 05:39:37 PM »
I don't see multiculturism as a good thing anymore.

Maybe at one point in time it was good, when the cultures in question brought something new and helpful into the place they migrated to, with hopes of being accepted as part of there new country. They actually felt honored to be considered a part of the host country by its populace.

Now though it seems that the newb cultures coming into europe, and the usa have nothing to offer except to ramble on about how great their country is and how much of a dump the host country is.  They bring diseases, crime, a teardown atitude in which one time nice towns and neighborhoods are turned into places that even toughguys won't go into at night.

Hey i wish it wasn't this way, but i can travel 5 miles in any direction, and what once used to be really nice places to live are ****holes now.  Older guy i know called it the great white flight.
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« Reply #108 on: June 20, 2007, 05:48:40 PM »
Hehe, I see what you mean...Whisky.
And when and where is a "nation"?
" the result of the amalgamation and integration of different cultures over many generations"
This is what finally merges into a pot of many other things and forms a nation.
I have been quarreling with norsemen about whether a person was icelandic or norse, - when Iceland had been under it's own parliament for some 300 years. Backing 300 years in U.S. history brings you behind the Boston tea party. So is the person in question today still English?
Also, in another thread (guns, crime and the swiss), there is a social issue in scrutiny, - the USA has as a whole a very different crime pattern from Europe, and the issue of non-comparability because of the multi-culture construction of the USA.
Does that mean that the USA still does not yet properly define itself as a nation?

It goes round and round, - but a beautifully and relatively peacufully mixed multi-cultural country that still hosts a nation, are the British.

We had our cod wars with you, but we like you all the same, brits :aok
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« Reply #109 on: June 20, 2007, 05:53:58 PM »
I see, you live in New York.

NY and Los Angeles are places where most immigrants start.  When hard-working immigrants receive Permanent Residency (Green Card) or become US Citizens, they will leave the sheet-hole right away and go to places where they can start the "real" American Life (Las Vegas is a good example):)

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« Reply #110 on: June 21, 2007, 04:31:12 AM »
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Originally posted by Speed55
I don't see multiculturism as a good thing anymore.

Maybe at one point in time it was good, when the cultures in question brought something new and helpful into the place they migrated to, with hopes of being accepted as part of there new country. They actually felt honored to be considered a part of the host country by its populace.

Now though it seems that the newb cultures coming into europe, and the usa have nothing to offer except to ramble on about how great their country is and how much of a dump the host country is.  They bring diseases, crime, a teardown atitude in which one time nice towns and neighborhoods are turned into places that even toughguys won't go into at night.

Hey i wish it wasn't this way, but i can travel 5 miles in any direction, and what once used to be really nice places to live are ****holes now.  Older guy i know called it the great white flight.


Exactly,

It ha dnow gone totally overboard, in some towns and cities in the UK white english males are a minority, its an absoloute joke.

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« Reply #111 on: June 21, 2007, 06:21:23 AM »
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I would take exception with you on the british colonies... they thrived after they had gotten the british boot off of their throat.


Not really.

Most British colonies did worse after the end of British rule than they did under it.

As an example, look at Ghana. In 1960, a few years after it was granted independence, the average Briton was 39 times richer than the average Ghanain. Now, 50 years after they "got the British boot off their throat", the average Briton is 92 times richer than the average Ghanain.

It's a similar story throughout Africa. Following independence, the gap in wealth between Britain and the ex-colony widened.

That's true for most ex British colonies throughout the world, too.

The only ones that got richer relative to Britain between 1960 and 1990 were Lesotho, Pakistan, Egypt, Botswana, Malaysia, Malta, Barbados, Cyprus, Israel, Ireland, Singapore, Canada and the United States. (not all fit the precise definition of colony)

The rest, and there are a lot of them, did relatively worse after independence than they had under British rule.

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« Reply #112 on: June 21, 2007, 07:24:23 AM »
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Exactly,

It ha dnow gone totally overboard, in some towns and cities in the UK white english males are a minority, its an absoloute joke.


So it's not their culture you object to, but their non white skin colour.

My dad spent 4 years serving his country in the fight against this sort of irrational and perverted ideology.
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« Reply #113 on: June 21, 2007, 07:30:58 AM »
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Originally posted by Angus

It goes round and round, - but a beautifully and relatively peacufully mixed multi-cultural country that still hosts a nation, are the British.



Good post & well said Angus :aok

I personally forgive you for stealing our fish and next time you're in England
I'll treat you to some fine Yorkshire ale :)
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« Reply #114 on: June 21, 2007, 07:43:29 AM »
Laurie Britain doesn't have a lead role, because it can't decide where it's interests lie.When we fallout with the US we run to Europe,when we fall out with Europe we run to the US.


  We need to decide were are best interests lay,and to do that we need a tough decisive leader like a churchill.

  We could be up there ,with the french and germans if we had someone with the political will to take us there.Most modern politicians don't have vision,they have advisers,and think tanks nor do they have the historical insight,an vision that churchill had.

     The last time Europe was united and at peace with itself was under the Roman occupation,Churchill was only to aware of this,and a Holocaust and two world wars  later he made his statement.
                                 
Churchill new that to achieve a lasting peace in Europe the European states had to be Unified,here we have a chance to do it by choice rather than by conquest!!If we had but  half a Brain cell we would  Grab it an never let it go.

Europe isn't about Butter mountains and wine lakes or Straight Bannas's,Forget that Chit,It's far more important than any of that.

And the US is sick an tired of sorting out European squabbles and who can blame them.Thx by the way

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          As for multiculturalism,most cities are multicultiural,and seem to work pretty well,would we have London any other way.

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« Reply #115 on: June 21, 2007, 10:46:48 AM »
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Good post & well said Angus :aok

I personally forgive you for stealing our fish and next time you're in England
I'll treat you to some fine Yorkshire ale :)



YOUR FISH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(Spent last winter fishing from way south to the NW of Iceland)


I am often in England, but haven't really been in Yorkshire. Will definately be in England this autumn, maybe more than once. A business trip will leave me as fas up as Doncaster or so. How far to yer ale?
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« Reply #116 on: June 21, 2007, 11:53:00 AM »
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So it's not their culture you object to, but their non white skin colour.

My dad spent 4 years serving his country in the fight against this sort of irrational and perverted ideology.


Its not ideology my friend, its a fact. I am not racist, i do not think white men are any better than black.

But if you  bear with me and do not jump to irrational conclusions then i think you'll see my viewpoint , even if you don't agree with it.

England(and most of Europe) was traditionally a country of white skinned brunettes/blonds, am i right?. just like Africa is traditionally a society of black people with black/brown hair.

What i find so hard to understand is how this can change in such a short space of time compared to anywhere else in the world. Also, why have we thrown our heritage out the window to suit men in Brussels?
What i believe and have stated in this thread is NOT RASCIST despite the paranoia amongst some of you. You don't see any cities in Asia where the 'traditional' ways of life and stereotypes of peoples have been outnumbered by a foreign race of peoples.

For example, Iran;

It is illegal to walk the streets without full clothing ( headscarf etc) that corresponds to some verses of the Quran, yes a book which is meaningless to anyone but a Muslim. Now surely this is wrong? But no its ok because they're Muslims and we couldn't possibly upset them.

Now what i want is simply to have people that wish to live and work in OUR country to adopt OUR culture rather than to do their own thing.

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« Reply #117 on: June 21, 2007, 12:00:53 PM »
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Laurie Britain doesn't have a lead role, because it can't decide where it's interests lie.When we fallout with the US we run to Europe,when we fall out with Europe we run to the US.


  We need to decide were are best interests lay,and to do that we need a tough decisive leader like a churchill.

  We could be up there ,with the french and germans if we had someone with the political will to take us there.Most modern politicians don't have vision,they have advisers,and think tanks nor do they have the historical insight,an vision that churchill had.

     The last time Europe was united and at peace with itself was under the Roman occupation,Churchill was only to aware of this,and a Holocaust and two world wars  later he made his statement.
                                 
Churchill new that to achieve a lasting peace in Europe the European states had to be Unified,here we have a chance to do it by choice rather than by conquest!!If we had but  half a Brain cell we would  Grab it an never let it go.

Europe isn't about Butter mountains and wine lakes or Straight Bannas's,Forget that Chit,It's far more important than any of that.

And the US is sick an tired of sorting out European squabbles and who can blame them.Thx by the way

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          As for multiculturalism,most cities are multicultiural,and seem to work pretty well,would we have London any other way.

     :aok




Haha, how is it up there on cloud 9?

Makes me laugh, a day or so ago you disagreed with my opinion of the need for a churchill figure as you felt was an imprielistic war-mongerer, funny how you change like the wind.

You dont see it? British leaders wont go the full m ile with europe because it's ac ommon fact that the british public DONT LIKE IT. Your tangents and ideals are simp,y a minority in britain.
Ever wondered Why Blair doesn't want a referendum????????

And if you are ****-eyed enough to think that the germans, french and spanish would treat us with our deserved respect if we really took european comitment by the horns, you are frankly niave.

The french despise us, the germans fear us, and the spanish envy us.
So frankly i really can't see why Britain should crawl on it's hands and knees just to be kicke din the balls AGAIN.

Just wondering.... What did you think of Lady Thatcher?

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« Reply #118 on: June 21, 2007, 12:04:30 PM »
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So it's not their culture you object to, but their non white skin colour.

My dad spent 4 years serving his country in the fight against this sort of irrational and perverted ideology.


IF you are trying to hint at WW2 to here,


then Oh boy you'd better be very, very careful who you start calling a nazi my miniscule friend.

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« Reply #119 on: June 21, 2007, 12:07:59 PM »
It makes me chuckle how Hazzer and others standing along with him always resort to heckling someone as being racist or Nazi like whenever they lose arguments to people who are simply patriotic.