Originally posted by SteveBailey
Yes, it is. Have you been under a rock? Remember the soccer game where Mexico played the US, in the US? The predominantly hispanic crowd didn't just cheer for for Mexico, the roundly booed the US. They booed our National Anthem, hung US flags upside down. They threw beer cans and trash at the American team. They physically assualted the AMerican supporters in the stands. Celebrate their heritage?
This is a typical anecdote of their sentiments. Are you not listening to what they are saying?
Here's some quote from some of their leaders here:
Mario Obledo, California Coalition of Hispanic Organizations and California State Secretary of Health, Education and Welfare under Jerry Brown, also awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom by Bill Clinton:
I'll step in here since i agree with a lot(not all) of what hawk said.
Your soccer game example really falls short of the mark. You were shooting for an example that showed how Mexicans in the US hate the US and want to turn the US into a new Mexico(please correct me if my assumption is wrong here). I hope you can understand how everyone outside of the US is brought up loving, for the most part, only one sport, football(called soccer by those of us who know what real football is). So with their love of the game they have a loyalty to their country of origin in which the sport was so popular. Yes their behavior at the game was out of line, but even in the US fans of US teams get out of hand(im sure you've watched ESPN at some point in your life and seen this, if not, search it on You tube). Your soccer game comparison would be like me moving to Texas to live after i graduate and then going to OU/Texas football game in Dallas and not cheering for OU, but Texas since i live there. You think that is gonna happen? I guarantee you that they have more pride in their nationality, as i do, than i have for my alma mater.
Also, soccer doesn't have a very big following in the US, had that stadium been filled with a large portion of US fans it might have been a different story. Not to mention the fact that the rest of the world is so passionate about soccer that those of us in the states have a hard time understanding why they can get so violent. I do want to say that im not hating on soccer, because when EPL is in full swing i am glued to Fox Soccer Channel.
So hopefully we have cleared up how bad of an example that was, now look at two of the three quotes you posted. You have no name attached to them, just quotes. So what you're doing is taking two random quotes, which no doubt were probably made by a Mexican national who is now residing in the US(we can't know for sure, but i'll assume it was, as you did), and applying them to the entire group of Mexican nationals living in our country. You expect to maintain a shred of credibility by quoting the extremists in a movement and applying it to the whole group? We already had that problem once with idiots going around beating up muslims because they put them all in the same group with those responsible for the attacks.
Now let me tell you where i stand on the issue before you start getting the wrong idea. This new Immigration naturalization bill is the biggest POS bill introduced in quite some time. I'm sorry but no matter how you cut it, the large number of illegal immigrants are a drain on our economy. I'm not saying they are the only drain, but they aren't making matters any better AND they are not here legally. If our economy is going to go in the crapper, then i would prefer we let it spiral out of control because of the apathy of our legal US citizens. That way, in the end, the only ones we have to blame are ourselves.
So, my overall opinion on the immigration problem in the US. Continue guarding the border, get rid of these gun-toting "i'm defending our borders from these illegals who come over here and 'take our jobs'(soutpark reference)" minutemen and let our military do the job. We've got night vision and we've got guns. If a couple of them end up being shot(now we don't have to kill em, we can wound em and throw them in a mexican hospital somewhere), then you might have a few more trying to get into the country the legal way. Maybe that's wishful thinking on my part, who knows.
I'll provide one last example about my experience with a legal mexican national. I work at Wal-mart as a manager and we have a few employees who can't speak any English at all. One we just hired who has only been in country for 6 months. As chance would have it i speak quite a bit of spanish. This guy and I sit down and talk, he points out where i go wrong in my grammar and i teach him how to translate different verb tenses from spanish to english. This guy is great, he is trying to learn the language, he works harder than a lot of the guys i have that do his job(not all mind you) and he is happy. Not only that, and here's the kicker, he is here LEGALLY. So i don't want you to leave this post thinking that i love Mexicans, or that I hate them, i want you to understand that i believe in the law. I also believe in a good work ethic and if you are here legally and are willing to learn our language, then by all means stay, fill the job of someone who isn't willing to put out half the effort because they know they can get fired and file for unemployment and not have a work a day in their life.
EDIT: Sorry for the hijack.