Originally posted by Hazzer
I don't think Laurie..I know!!the British Empire was a tyranny fact!!I suggest you read some History.A benign tyranny if you like ,but wrong however you look at it.
As far as eastern europeans are concerned they are now part of the EU,that means the free movement of goods and ppl between borders,many brits take advantge of this by moving to spain or france, and now Eastern Europe too.Presumably in "Laurie world" they should all be deported back to Britain?
it is also good for growth in business,to have economic growth you need a corrosponding increase in workers,particularley in jobs that we prefer not to do,that is why a laissei fare tory Government will struggle to keep ppl like you and it's Base of business types happy.
The torys want them here,but like you they would prefer they spoke perfect English and were white.
So you admit that British ex-colonies came off better than those of other empires?
You think Britain was the ONLY tyrannical empire? And if we were so bad , why did they hail Queen Victoria like a goddess in India?
And places like turkey technically aren't in Europe. shame you totally skimmed past the Churchill point though, not convenient for you? He was the greatest British politician and leader ever known. If you don't like Churchill, how about a return of Thatcher-ism.
Hazzer theres good immigrants and there's sponges of society. Good immigrants come here keen to learn and adapt to British life and to work hard and improve our nation, bad ones come here, with their 6 kids on a little dingy or under trucks, marry and English male/female, doss around with petty jobs until they get citizenship( which is handed out like a raffle ticket) then sit on their tulips and rape the benefit system ;which is out of control to be frank.
for Christ's sake 'Tony and Gordon'& co. Don't even know how many people are really in this frigging country, we must learn lessons from our American brothers when it comes to border control. All Blair has done is blown away all the deals Thatcher secured us in Europe and given in to France + Germany; the dictators within Europe, leaving us putting EVEN MORE money into Europe and getting less money back, but of course more immigrants to look after from the countries we are paying to run.
I would pay to take Britain out of the EU any day of the year. You might say we'll loose trade, but we wouldn't., We'd just loose a load of legal and constitutional baggage. There are over 60 million people in the UK, NO country in the EU would stop training with us and exporting/importing with us, we have one of the, if not the largest population in Europe, were just a trading post too good to miss.
I would love to see what the return of national service and an immigration policy like the french would do for Britain, a bloody good job. hazzer, what you seem to call 'Laurie world' is the real world my friend, where not everyone is looking out for everyone else and the rose shades are off.
You seem to be in the 'lets hold hands and sing kumbaya' frame of mind.
Patriotism is not simply supporting England in the world cup.
