Pot heads support terrorism.

[Bucky73]

Lol...I'll choose to believe what has been proven over and over again. So, you smokers that are trying to sell me this "it isn't addictive" crap might as well save it unless you can show me proof other than giving me your opinion on it.

It's funny, you guys always ask for a reference and when you get one then you find some way to pick it apart so it's in your favor. Priceless:rofl

I love this -I've been smoking for 20 years, but i'm not addicted- crap.

I don't care if you smoke it. I don't. But, I also don't think it should be legal. Anybody, that thinks this country would be a safer place if they legalized pot is obviously using too much of their product.

Please show me some proof....And not from cheechandchong.com

Here is some info from NIDA (National Institute on Drug Abuse)

The main active chemical in marijuana is THC (delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol). The membranes of certain nerve cells in the brain contain protein receptors that bind to THC. Once securely in place, THC kicks off a series of cellular reactions that ultimately lead to the high that users experience when they smoke marijuana.

The short-term effects of marijuana can include problems with memory and learning; distorted perception; difficulty in thinking and problem solving; loss of coordination; and increased heart rate. Research findings for long-term marijuana abuse indicate some changes in the brain similar to those seen after long-term abuse of other major drugs. For example, cannabinoid (THC or synthetic forms of THC) withdrawal in chronically exposed animals leads to an increase in the activation of the stress-response system(4) and changes in the activity of nerve cells containing dopamine(5). Dopamine neurons are involved in the regulation of motivation and reward, and are directly or indirectly affected by all drugs of abuse.

Long-term marijuana abuse can lead to addiction for some people; that is, they abuse the drug compulsively even though it interferes with family, school, work, and recreational activities. Drug craving and withdrawal symptoms can make it hard for long-term marijuana smokers to stop abusing the drug. People trying to quit report irritability, sleeplessness, and anxiety(31). They also display increased aggression on psychological tests, peaking approximately one week after the last use of the drug(32).


ooops it says institute.....That GD Bush must be in charge of this site



marine...please. I know he hasn't been taking tylenol 8-10 times a day like he does with his (non addictive) pot.

sirloin...................... ..................?

[stockli]

Bucky

I dont smoke pot but feel uncle sam should get his bellybutton out of our personal lives.

The govt doesnt care whats addictive - see caffeine, tobacco, alcohol, vicadin, oxycontin, morphine etc. (last three derive from opium, pretty damn addictive)  All somehow approved for use whether by script or otc.

Again lool at aspartame.  Approved by FDA to be put into food.  Lab test proved this to be harmful but our favorite uncle don rumsfield pushed that through, Im sure its a coincidental that he had a large interest in Nutrasweet.

Caffeine causes hardening of the arteries, hormone fluctuations and can weaken hearts with genetic defects.

I dont care if pot is addicitve as hell, and for the government to claim (at least partially) that dependency is one of the reasons it needs to stay illegal is laughable, considering the other drugs they let get through.

Lipitor is so dangerous for your liver it causes cirrhosis within months of typical use, and the makers were getting sued for damages, but somehow that is still out there as a safe and effective way to lower marginally high cholesterol. (check the net for labs and lawsuits)

Again these guys dont care about you, they care about power and money.  They would sell there grandmas sole to the devil for both.

Bucky allowing them to decide what we can and cant do is taking all of our freedom.  Look at the joke known as the patriot act.  What has that done to protect us?  Nothing, but we now have to assume our phone convos can be listened to at any point?

Alright Ill stop...

[lazs2]

to an addict all things are addictive.  nothing we can do about that.  I have known people who used pot addictively for decades... they were pretty much useless during that time but...

Not my call.   No one watching them would want to be like em unless they were an addict themselves.

It doesn't matter how cheap speed or heroin is...  most will simply not touch it.. or, if they do.. they will drop it and never try it again.

If it were all legal and eaisily available then the only penalty would be for endangering others.

Pot should be legal... anyone driving under the influence of it should get a DUI... do it more than once and face jail..

If you work in a job where safety is an issue... the employer should have the right to test you and fire you if you test positive... if he does not then I should sue him for everything he has for endangering me by creating an unsafe workplace full of druggies.

simple stuff really.

lazs

[x0847Marine]

Originally posted by Bucky73
Lol...I'll choose to believe what has been proven over and over again. So, you smokers that are trying to sell me this "it isn't addictive" crap might as well save it unless you can show me proof other than giving me your opinion on it.

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Weed isn't physically addictive, thats easy to verify.. look up the difference between physical withdrawal symptoms of opiates & stimulants, versus weed.

Read various opinions, rather than one supplied for you.. might learn something.

People can develop a dependency for weed...  just like "choc-o-holics"  claim dependency on Hershey bars. The coca coca bean isn't physically addicting, but people can "crave" the way it makes them feel. Some people crave the way sex makes them feel, a-lot of cops I worked with, including myself, are admittedly adrenaline junkies who crave the rush of excitement.

Opiates, like heroine, create a literal physical "addiction" with significantly miserable withdrawal symptoms.... Weed is like chocolate and sex, some folks just love the way it makes them feel and develop a dependency.

Ask any cop you know with DRE training.

[Sweet2th]

Originally posted by Bucky73
Lol

I don't care if you smoke it. I don't. But, I also don't think it should be legal. Anybody, that thinks this country would be a safer place if they legalized pot is obviously using too much of their product.

There would be no DOPE DEALERS

There would be less moneys coming in for the government.(unless they grew it and sold it too the public).

The crime rate would drop.



Don't believe me, fly to Amsterdam for yourself to see.

[SkyRock]

Originally posted by Bucky73


 chronically exposed animals


 

 hogwash

You are still saying that the drug is addictive, but give no studies showing that "normal" usage or casual usage causes the addiction as opposed to a person who is pre-disposed to being an addict.  I am more interested in why out of 60-70% of americans who have tried marijuana and those who still use the drug recreationally, only a small percentage end up being full blown addicts and almost always those addicts are involved in the abuse of other drugs along with the pot?  I don't really believe that a study where a rat is given the amount of THC you would find in 50 joints a day, for 2 months, then be dropped from it and studied, can give us factual scientific data.  

Until we find out more about the psychology of addiction, we must not bow to biased studies often financed by one wing or the other.  Definitely, we have seen over the last decade or so, that studies of more common(and legal I might add) chemicals are giving some of the same data as those studies of illegal chemicals when researching addictions.   If you have some really good info, bucky, Id like to read it!



Mark

PS  maybe they meant "exposed to the Chronic" instead of "chronically exposed"!  hee hee:D

[SkyRock]

Originally posted by lazs2
to an addict all things are addictive.  nothing we can do about that.  I have known people who used pot addictively for decades... they were pretty much useless during that time but...

Not my call.   No one watching them would want to be like em unless they were an addict themselves.

It doesn't matter how cheap speed or heroin is...  most will simply not touch it.. or, if they do.. they will drop it and never try it again.

If it were all legal and eaisily available then the only penalty would be for endangering others.

Pot should be legal... anyone driving under the influence of it should get a DUI... do it more than once and face jail..

If you work in a job where safety is an issue... the employer should have the right to test you and fire you if you test positive... if he does not then I should sue him for everything he has for endangering me by creating an unsafe workplace full of druggies.

simple stuff really.

lazs

pretty much!:aok

[morfiend]

Originally posted by x0847Marine
Do you know any side effects of Tylenol? One biggie after prolonged use is liver damage , which causes weakness and lack of energy. Or diminished motor skills.

You're assuming weed is the cause while looking past legal drugs that can cause the same symptoms..

 Tylenol is the #1 killer for nonprescription drugs,in fact recent commerials on TV state" if you cant take this drug as recommended,we'd rather you not take it".

 Did you know that before 1935 you could purchase,morphine,heroin,ect from any drugist.In fact Sears&Robuck sold syringes and morphine.
 I dont advocate that we return to this but until our Goverment start treating drugs as a medical problem and not a criminal problem,I'm afraid many people will die or waist their lives behind bars.
 Man has used mind altering substances since we climbed down from trees,this will never change,only our attitudes towards how we deal with the problem can change.

[john9001]

"reefer madness" refers to the pot banners not the pot users.

[trax1]

Originally posted by lazs2
trax.  I have been a drug addict myself and I can't understand what you are talking about..  If heroin were free to anyone who was 18 I still wouldn't do it... neither would anyone I know.   The people who would do it will do it even if it is  $500 a gram.

They will simply steal to get it.   You yourself admitted that.   So what is wrong with letting the addicts have it for cost?

You guys who want to tax it... regulate it.. you are just continueing the war on drugs.. if the tax is high enough then the crime will continue.

drug addicts are pretty much useless.   they don't support themselves much less their habit (their are exceptions of course) even if they do... eventually they slip into worthlessness.  

give the drugs away...  no one who doesn't do drugs now will do em if they are free or cheap.   once it is out in the open people can see how messed up addicts really are.  the example will be good to see.

lazs

Heroin has to be the most evil substance invented, to make it legal and cheap would be insane, if it was available at any store and you could get it cheap there are definitely gonna be more people overdosing on it.  I've personally seen this drug destroy people and their loved ones lives.  Heroin is a drug that needs to be removed from the face of the Earth, not made more accessible and cheaper.  There is just no way you could ever convince me it would be a good idea to legalize it, if you ever were, or have known and loved someone who is addicted to heroin I don't think you would feel that it should be made legal.  Heroin being illegal is probably what saved my life and got me clean.  If I hadn't gone to prision and had the chance to clean out and see what my addiction had done to me and cost me my freedom I don't think I would be clean now, I might have been dead by now.  I thank the government for making it illegal and putting me in jail for the crimes I comitted to obtain heroin, like I said without that who knows where I'd be, and theres alot of people I know that are ex-heroin addicts and they got clean the same way I did.  Like I said if it was made legal you would see a sharp rise in people overdosing on it because they can get large quantities cheaply, so user would take more of the drug because they can get it cheaply and would OD on it, and no one deserves to die just because they are an addict.

[trax1]

Originally posted by Bucky73

I don't care if you smoke it. I don't. But, I also don't think it should be legal. Anybody, that thinks this country would be a safer place if they legalized pot is obviously using too much of their product.

Well then Bucky I hope that you also don't smoke cigarettes, or drink alcohol and feel that these should be illegal as well because those are 2 of this country's biggest killers.  Cigarettes kill more people then cancer every year, people drink alcohol and kill people while driving drunk, yet alcohol is legal, so do you feel this countrys a safer place with alcohol legal?

[chancevought]

Linking Terrorism and Drugs is a lame idea....Then anyone w/ a brain cell will think.."If the government has done so poorly on its 40+ year "War on Drugs", or the "War on Crime", or the "War on Poverty", then the "War on Terror" might go just as well.  (OD's are up, Crime is up, Lower-class is up...Al-Queda is Up!!)

Or maybe they learned that they could milk trillions of Dollars from taxpayers on a "war" that never ends, so now they transferred those lessons to the "terror" wars.  The point....there have always been "terrorists" and "drugs".  No Power has ever eradicated either, and neither will the "I have my head up my ass" gov't we have.  

Besides, alcohol and tobacco are the most addictive drugs in the US, and the gov't supports and allows those businesses to thrive openly.  It even makes money off those "drugs"...hmmmm that would make them terrorists....oh its gettin so clear now....


I myself am drug and terrorist free....but i say weed is better than war...if everyone smoked weed, then there would be no terrorists....its worth a try since these "War on...." things have only made everything worse!

[68Hawk]

Honestly meth and crack are probably more dangerous animals than heroin itself.  

Smoking ingestion vs. IV ingestion make it more appealing to casual trial.  They are both cheaper, and meth can be made from materials that are legally available on the domestic market.  Any idiot with a kitchen can make either one of these (especially crack).

From seeing people on all three of these things I would have to say (purely from observation and discussion) that crack and meth are more debilitating and provoke their users into more frequent episodes of use.  By this I mean that crack, as it is smoked and enters/leaves the body faster, will tend to be used more frequently than IV drugs.

I've never had someone on heroin walk up to me and ask me to kill them...

[Bucky73]

I did smoke but I quit, I do drink but if I couldn't I wouldn't piss and moan about it. You guys are just whinning because you like to smoke it. End of Story. Would this country be safer if alcohol wasn't illegal?-Absolutely, but adding pot as a legal substance CERTAINLY won't help matters. Two wrongs dont' make a right.

Think about it...Do you really NEED pot?? If you do then you have bigger problems than bickering back and forth with me on these boards. The fact that some of you are argueing with me alone is proof that it is addictive.

Too many people need to put crap in their body to make them "feel good" and it's just stupid. Don't get me wrong I'm guilty of it myself as I posted above but that still doesn't mean it's right. Legalizing pot will just add another (get away) for people.

Keep it banned

[ozrocker]

Only users lose drugs:)
           Oz