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Offline bj229r

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« Reply #45 on: August 22, 2007, 09:53:53 PM »
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I love most of the replys. Most. Dichotomy, I will check your post for accuracy this evening and reply tomorrow. However I will not that none of your sources are the Qu'ran itself, only internet sites that appear to be biased.
--You've posted naught but opinion, and have dismissed out of hand, all responses, even those with links to credible news sources, with no argument whatsoever. This is what we call a liberal troll on certain other bbs's. Jose Padilla tried to aid our avowed enemy in killing scores of Amuuricans, and has been tried and sentenced to heap much prison time. Vick committed a felony, and will probably spend a few months with a collar on his ankle, and miss  a season making millions a year. I would gladly trade places with him..... and if I was going to ask a girl on a date, I'd TELL her I had Herpes before I gave her something she would be afflicted with the rest of her life---had that girl been a friend of mine, I'd have hunted him down and killed him:t
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« Reply #46 on: August 22, 2007, 09:55:55 PM »
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Originally posted by Bolo6
I love most of the replys. Most. Dichotomy,


Bolo I researched it fairly carefully but if there are flaws in it please enlighten me.  

If that is truly the Islamic faith then I can only see years of strife and hardship on both sides of the issues.  I'm not going to convert to a religion that I don't believe in.  Subsequently from what I've read and researched it is the duty of a true muslim to kill me and my family if they refuse to convert.  We wont.  And if Islam is your faith then one of us would have to eliminate the other.  You for your faith and me because I'm kind of fond of being alive and free.
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« Reply #47 on: August 22, 2007, 09:56:36 PM »
:confused: (looks around)

Now where did I leave my sheet and Jack boots.....Dangit...

Bolo...dont you ever even speak the words KKK or Aryan in the same breath as my name.

ever

Not saying you did mine specifcally....but you implied alot of us.

Vick's guilty...get over it.

Not all Muslims are terrorists but all the terrorists have been muslims.

edited the rest......I'll just leave you to your own self indulgence.
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« Reply #48 on: August 22, 2007, 10:24:08 PM »
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Originally posted by Bolo6
I think some of you play AHII on your off time from the KKK or Aryan Nation. That is what it sounds like from some of the replies.


How can you say that? Do you know the color of my skin or any of the others posting in this thread? Calling a black man a member of the KKK or a Nazi isn't a good way of making friends sir.

But then again your a Muslim and you don't want to make friends with infidels, right?
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« Reply #49 on: August 22, 2007, 10:41:51 PM »
Gee, Redtop, I thought that was a really good reply, personally :)
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« Reply #50 on: August 22, 2007, 10:47:04 PM »
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Gee, Redtop, I thought that was a really good reply, personally :)


:aok ty...but it was gonna fall on deaf ears...and at my age...I really just shouldn't bother.
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« Reply #51 on: August 22, 2007, 10:47:39 PM »
Interesting how being beaten for days, or having a baton shoved up your arse isn't torture...(although I suppose that thats just a normal saturday night at some fraternity)

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« Reply #52 on: August 22, 2007, 11:13:56 PM »
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Interesting how being beaten for days, or having a baton shoved up your arse isn't torture...(although I suppose that thats just a normal saturday night at some fraternity)

 Tronsky


Did you pledge Sigma Phi Epsilon too?




(we supposed to keep the "rituals" secret tronski....)
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« Reply #53 on: August 23, 2007, 03:12:50 AM »
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Interesting how being beaten for days, or having a baton shoved up your arse isn't torture...(although I suppose that thats just a normal saturday night at some fraternity)

 Tronsky


Sounds like the kinds of entertainment alternative lifestyle followers here in San Francisco pay others to do to them on weekends..............
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« Reply #54 on: August 23, 2007, 07:44:15 AM »
The dogs were innocent. Theres the difference. And about the only difference.
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« Reply #55 on: August 23, 2007, 08:48:57 AM »
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Some also typed that Islam is a religion of hate and violence.


Whew.  This is impossible to discuss in the manner we have on the bulletin board.  

Even so, the "aims" of the Mohammedan and the Christain differ.  The quickest and easiest way appreciate the differences is to regard the 1st 300 years or so of each religion.  

It's worth the time and effort to read and reflect.

An accurate description of Islam: In matters political, Islam is a system of despotism at home and aggression abroad. The Prophet commanded absolute submission to the imâm. In no case was the sword to be raised against him. The rights of non-Moslem subjects are of the vaguest and most limited kind, and a religious war is a sacred duty whenever there is a chance of success against the "Infidel". Medieval and modern Mohammedan, especially Turkish, persecutions of both Jews and Christians are perhaps the best illustration of this fanatical religious and political spirit.

Now, contrast those aims with the pivotal moment of Christianity.  Christ's crucifixion.  Where the final word was a plea for forgiveness.
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« Reply #56 on: August 23, 2007, 09:49:46 AM »
A quick point about what a religion "teaches"

What a religion teaches, is not based on what certain groups within that religion says, it's based on what the supporting documents for that religion teach.

What I mean is this, the Bible teaches adultery is wrong. I don't care how you slice it, I would be happy to debate anyone on the issue, the Bible "teaches" that adultery is wrong. So, some could deny this point, every church could stop teaching it's wrong, but in the end, the Bible still "teaches" it's wrong, regardless of how many "Christian" adulterers there might be or how accepted adultery might become.

Now, I freely admit I have not read the Koran, so I cannot speak to what Islam teaches, but I can say this. It's not about what moderate, or fundamentalist say, it's about what the Koran "teaches".

The point being, we should not confuse the actions of a group within a religion with the teachings of the supporting documents. If (and again, I don't know) the Koran "teaches" that all Jews should be killed, along with other infidels for example, then it is a religion of "hatred and violence". If on the other hand, it teaches, that you should love your enemies, and be kind to those that spitefully use you, then the "religion" doesn't teach hate and violence, regardless of how some in that "religion" behave.


Finally, what the supporting documentation teaches, is not based on a single verse, but what it teaches as a whole. There are a whole set of "rules" and principles involved in the proper interpretation of the Bible. (Though I have not read the Koran, I have spent vast amounts of time reading the Bible over the last twenty years of my life) If those are followed, "Most" people can arrive at similar positions, even on rather obscure or difficult issues; and most of the time when they don't, it's because they have an agenda.

So, I've said all that, to say this. It should not be that difficult to determine what Islam (the Koran) teaches concerning the Jews and the infidels. It just takes some time to do so. Whether it teaches, peace and harmony, or hatred and violence, or something in the middle, how people act, or what they say is irrelevant, what it teaches it teaches. (The same is true about the Bible, or what ever other religion you wish to address.)


Best regards,
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« Reply #57 on: August 23, 2007, 11:09:43 AM »
Tachus, I could not have said it better. What a lively thread. And Redtop, please take no more offense than I took at the insinuation that I am a traitor. I am sure that this thread has put me on a lot of bad lists, ah well. The last post by Tachus really sums up what I have been trying to say all along. And contrary to popular belief, I am not muslim, nor do I follow any particular religion for that matter. I am just a man trying to figure out this crazy world and make it better for my children. I would love to meet some of you guys and have this discussion over a few brews and BBQ, wouldn't that be interesting. I think this thread is about exhausted so I'll see you guys in the air. Kill me if you can catch me. :lol
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« Reply #58 on: August 23, 2007, 11:11:38 AM »
The problem for you Bolo, is that the Koran actually tells moslems to kill infidels, lie and deciet, treat their women like slaves, and generally encourages all moslems to act like *******s to everyone not-moslem.
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« Reply #59 on: August 23, 2007, 11:24:31 AM »
Hortlund, please quote for me from the Qu'ran where these instructions are written, I will read them for myself and then I will condem the entire religion as well. I think I will not find these things however because I don't beleive it is true. Truth be told, and this is according to Dr Havva Housmand, professor of religious studies, historically Christians have persecuted Jews far worse than Muslims. In fact, Christians and Jews are not considered infidels because they are a "people of the Book" Your facts are simply wrong sir.
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