It's Like the Hydra

[x0847Marine]

Originally posted by Tigeress
IF... people were to read the Quran and start understanding the religion, it would be apparent.. No one is allowed by Islam to make a picture of Allah or insult the Prophet, Mohammed.

Chilling Islamic Demonstration of Cartoons. London.

These people are operating by well documented rules most of us don't even know about.

TIGERESS

I get that they hate these particular cartoons... their nutty beliefs forbid such things.

I still wouldn't get the idea they "hate freedom" because of an irrational religious opinion about drawings, but I'll agree they hate the results freedom affords some cartoonists who clown on Mohammed. Plus I know they dislike, or hate if you want, the fact we can watch porn, go to strip bars & get drunk.. and other things they consider "immoral".

But I doubt 9/11 was motivated by Wet & wild barely legal co-eds VII, or Hooters restaurants.

Then again if I published a cartoon of Jesus in DRAG enjoying the services of a male prostitute that resembled G Bush in a feces & fly filled airport mens room ...  I'll bet I'd get a hefty dose of 'burn in hell' hate and maybe a death threat. Religious folks of all flavors don't have much of a sense of humor when it comes to their saviour.

[Tigeress]

mmmm... freedom...

Listen you guys!

This whole thing is about submission and domination!

Oh, and sex plays a big big role.

Lets see what the Quran says...

Submission and Domination
from the Quran:

33:36 "It is not fitting for a Muslim man or woman to have any choice in their affairs when a matter has been decided for them by Allah and His Messenger. They have no option. If any one disobeys Allah and His Messenger, he is indeed on a wrong Path."

5:4 "This day those who reject faith give up all hope of your religion. Yet fear them not, fear Me. This day I have perfected your religion and have chosen for you Submission as your religion."

58:46 "Obey Allah and His Messenger; and do not dispute!"

8:24 "O Believers! Answer Allah and (His) Messenger when he calls you to that which will give you life [martyrdom].... Fear the affliction and trial that awaits those who do not obey. Allah is severe."

Rewards for fearing and obeying ?

Sexual Reward for Submission
from the Quran:

55:46 "For him who lives in terror of his Lord are two Gardens containing delights: shade, two fountains flowing, fruits in pairs. Reclining on carpets lined with silk brocade, fruits hanging low. In them virginal females with averted glances (desiring none but you), undeflowered by men or jinn. Is the reward of goodness aught but goodness?"

The Dreaded Jinn

The concepts and explainations of the Jinn (Shaitan) are quite fascinating

Islamists fear the Jinn. boo!!

You could tell them you are a Jinn! ...and, prehaps you are and dont even know it!

http://www.angelfire.com/ca/hasakr/jinn.html

TIGERESS

[Tigeress]

These people are playing according to their rule book.

Every "jail house lawyer" understands... the vast power and value of knowing the rule book by which the police, judge, jury, and captors operate.

There are plenty of web sites which offer guided tours and insight on subjects dealt with in the Quran and are hosted by Non-Muslims and by Muslims.

It's really insightful and the knowledge of their rule book is powerful.

TIGERESS

[AKIron]

Originally posted by x0847Marine
Sure I remember... but I think its a leap in logic to opine they hate freedom based on a typically irrational knee-jerk religious reaction to the 'content' of a cartoon. Is it the "freedom", or the cartoon they hate?, and where is the evidence of this?

When the democrats threw a mofo letter at that fat radio wind-bag Rush, i/e criticized him, the dems did so because they hate Rushs freedom? and not what he said?

Their response to the cartoons reveals their attitudes and mindsets. Not much different than amadmanjihads answer that there are no homosexuals in Iran. I think they don't hate our freedom so much as fear it. Of course fear often leads to hate.

[lazs2]

arlo.. you need to think past the end of your nose.   The swiss were never a threat.. many counties are never a threat to those who would enslave the world.. that just means that they are low on the list to be taken..  they have freedom at the whim of the strong.

So long as they are useful and so long as they are not in the way... and most importantly...  so long as there is a powerful country to defend them that believes in freeedom....they will be amoung the last...  but.. if everyone turned swiss but the bad guys...

It would be like a school shooting with no help on the way.   the bad guy would just wander around the globe taking out countries....  sorta like hitler did but..  he saved the swiss for last..  for some reason tho... he never quite got around to them.

Your "hiding under the bed and hope for the best" theory does not sit well with me.   If you have the power to defend yourself.. you are a threat.

It also strikes me as funny as hell that the same lefties here who think that any mention of god in our government is the greatest threat to freedom since hitler... now are telling me that if we leave nations run by islamofacists alone everything will be just fine.  I mean... how could they be a threat to anyone right?

lazs

[lazs2]

and frode.. perhaps china is full of evil commie supermen with a plan that will rule the world...  or maybe.. they are struggling for survival and finding that communism won't work.

Maybe a little of both but.. they can't make pure communism work.. far from using our capitalism against us... they are simply forced to join us..  I forsee them buying cheap labor somewhere someday to keep up a standard of living.

lazs

[Tigeress]

Originally posted by lazs2
arlo.. you need to think past the end of your nose.   The swiss were never a threat.. many counties are never a threat to those who would enslave the world.. that just means that they are low on the list to be taken..  they have freedom at the whim of the strong.

So long as they are useful and so long as they are not in the way... and most importantly...  so long as there is a powerful country to defend them that believes in freeedom....they will be amoung the last...  but.. if everyone turned swiss but the bad guys...

It would be like a school shooting with no help on the way.   the bad guy would just wander around the globe taking out countries....  sorta like hitler did but..  he saved the swiss for last..  for some reason tho... he never quite got around to them.

Your "hiding under the bed and hope for the best" theory does not sit well with me.   If you have the power to defend yourself.. you are a threat.

It also strikes me as funny as hell that the same lefties here who think that any mention of god in our government is the greatest threat to freedom since hitler... now are telling me that if we leave nations run by islamofacists alone everything will be just fine.  I mean... how could they be a threat to anyone right?

lazs

Spot On.

The division of lefties and righties doesn't even really matter to these zombies.

I am sure it gives them great pleasure to see us fighting amongst ourselves as they prepare our final meal.

So what is really the point in belaboring it?

The idea here is to come together against a common enemy of Humanity.

We all have our notions... but learning and becoming more informed and gathering that which gives us mutual commonality gives us power, does it not?

Otherwise, tell me I am wasting my time trying to combine lefties and righties together against the Hydra...

TIGERESS

[lazs2]

Yep.. the lefties don't get it.. it is like liberal jews who get mugged by a negro... they feel betrayed and can't figure out why.

The islamofacists are gonna get them first.. they are gonna blow up blue cities.. not us rednecks on our land.. the blue cities full of "arteeeests" and "sensitive" guys..   and if they were running the place...

How much freedom would the left have?  how witty would the tv and media be under an islamofacist?  how bout that sex life or recreational drug thing?

laughable...

The left here and the islamofacists is like David Horowitz was with the black panthers way back when... except Horowitz finaly figured it out.. the left still hasn't

lazs

[Tigeress]

Originally posted by lazs2
and frode.. perhaps china is full of evil commie supermen with a plan that will rule the world...  or maybe.. they are struggling for survival and finding that communism won't work.

Maybe a little of both but.. they can't make pure communism work.. far from using our capitalism against us... they are simply forced to join us..  I forsee them buying cheap labor somewhere someday to keep up a standard of living.

lazs

Bear wth me for a moment, Lazs...

Communism is not the enemy... but this is:

Russia and China's New World Order
http://china-intel.blogspot.com/

Please take a few minutes and read it... please.

TIGERESS

an excerpt:

"In 2005, Russian President Vladimir Putin and Chinese President Hu Jintao proclaimed the need for a “new international order,” reaffirming similar statements made by their countries in 1996, 1997 and 2000. This new order would be “multipolar,” where no one country would be able to “monopolize or dominate world affairs.” 1

That one country “monopolizing and dominating world affairs” is, as you may have guessed, the United States. What this declaration boils down to is Russia and China stating that they want to bring down the power of the United States and establish themselves in our place as world powers.

In order for China and Russia to realize this dream, two things will obviously need to take place. The power of the United States must decrease, while their power must increase. China and Russia have a simple plan for this, and it was cleverly articulated in their joint statement. They said..."

Please see the website for the rest.

[lazs2]

read it.. works out the same.    to beat us they must have to be us means... they lose.  

I have faith in individual freedom and the yearning for it in all peoples.   I feel that the more of a taste of it they get... well... they can never go back.   not entirely.   you can never go home again as they say.. it is like boroda brooding over his vodka at some cheap dinnette table and wishing for the good old days of the soviet union and the strong hand of uncle joe...

Those days are gone.   The world is getting smaller.. every country sees now what is possible and who has the best deal.   The best will win out in the end.

lazs

[Tigeress]

Conclusion

It is clear that Russia and China’s security goals are not the same as our own. They value countering the United States over keeping nuclear weapons out of the hands of madmen, which a short look at Iran has shown us. This policy of supporting dangerous, aggressive regimes that are antagonistic to the US is a pattern not just observable in Iran, but also in North Korea, Venezuela, Syria, Cuba, and other regimes that oppose the US. ‘The Bear’ and ‘the Dragon’ have teamed up to oppose the power of the United States, and it is about time the ‘sleeping giant’ woke up and acknowledged this fact.

TIGERESS

[Tigeress]

Originally posted by lazs2
read it.. works out the same.    to beat us they must have to be us means... they lose.  

I have faith in individual freedom and the yearning for it in all peoples.   I feel that the more of a taste of it they get... well... they can never go back.   not entirely.   you can never go home again as they say.. it is like boroda brooding over his vodka at some cheap dinnette table and wishing for the good old days of the soviet union and the strong hand of uncle joe...

Those days are gone.   The world is getting smaller.. every country sees now what is possible and who has the best deal.   The best will win out in the end.

lazs

They realized the power of capitolism and are using it as we do.
The Capitolism v Communism thing is a relic of the past... history.

This is 2007.

China and Russia still are intent on bringing down the United States... that has never changed.

Why then, are you appearing to discount the validity of the Russia and China of 2007 as a threat to the United States?

Doing so doesn't make any sense to me... what am I missing here?

TIGERESS

[lazs2]

ahhh... sorry.. thought were looking at the big picture here and not just the nuke threat.

Yes.. I believe that they will sell nukes... for various reasons.  I think they will find that it is not to anyones best interest tho.   The bad thing about nukes is.. we can't put the genie back into the bottle.

It will be a disaster some day... has to be just on the odds.   I would suggest that everyone spread out a little.   I wouldn't want to live in a big blue city or a fishbowl like NO or an area that has poor air circulation like L.A.  

Not much we can do about it.. the nukes are floating around everywhere.   it is just a race to see if freedom gets a chance before the nuts get to touch off a few.

not much we can do about it in any case now is there?

lazs

[Tigeress]

Originally posted by lazs2
ahhh... sorry.. thought were looking at the big picture here and not just the nuke threat.

Yes.. I believe that they will sell nukes... for various reasons.  I think they will find that it is not to anyones best interest tho.   The bad thing about nukes is.. we can't put the genie back into the bottle.

It will be a disaster some day... has to be just on the odds.   I would suggest that everyone spread out a little.   I wouldn't want to live in a big blue city or a fishbowl like NO or an area that has poor air circulation like L.A.  

Not much we can do about it.. the nukes are floating around everywhere.   it is just a race to see if freedom gets a chance before the nuts get to touch off a few.

not much we can do about it in any case now is there?

lazs

Russia, China, and the Hydra are working together to bring down the Unites States...

I think that is a Big Picture view...

Even your President knows this.

Yet... we seem to be gliding down a lazy river sleeping with Russia and China as capitolist bedfellows...

All is well. NOT!

Have you had your morning coffee yet, dear, or are you still sleepy?

TIGERESS

edit: I started my usual morning coffee at 2:00am your time

[lazs2]

I think that pointing out the obvious is not that useful is all.

What do you suggest we do about it?    

Of course they are.. they hate us.  the problem is.. the more like us they get in order to defeat us... the more individual freedom their people get a taste of.

yes.. I am and optimist... but a cautious one... Like I said.. I sure don't want to be in a blue city when the nukes hit.  I sure don't want to be around one when the democrats are in power either.

Like I said tho.. pointing out the obvious is not the same as a solution.

lazs