It's Like the Hydra

[Tigeress]

Originally posted by lazs2
I think that pointing out the obvious is not that useful is all.

What do you suggest we do about it?    

Of course they are.. they hate us.  the problem is.. the more like us they get in order to defeat us... the more individual freedom their people get a taste of.

yes.. I am and optimist... but a cautious one... Like I said.. I sure don't want to be in a blue city when the nukes hit.  I sure don't want to be around one when the democrats are in power either.

Like I said tho.. pointing out the obvious is not the same as a solution.

lazs

Is Washington DC blue or red?

And let me get this straight... you only care of they nuke red cities?

HAHAHAHAHAHA

How noble...

I suggest confronting Russia and China on the world stage about this and calling a spade a spade.

Limiting trade with enemies of the USA would be good for starters.

China was or is our Favorite Nation Status trading partner... duhhhhh

" ‘The Bear’ and ‘the Dragon’ have teamed up to oppose the power of the United States, and it is about time the ‘sleeping giant’ woke up and acknowledged this fact."

TIGERESS

[lazs2]

Name me a red city.    It has to be a worthy target tho.. like over 250,000 or so.

DC... are you kidding?  

I don't think "noble" had much to do with it.. "pragmatic" is a better word.   noble would imply that there was something I could do about it if I wanted to even if it were difficult for me personally.

but.. answer the question...  what is your solution.   I am big on solutions... that male thing I guess..  endless forays into the self help bookshelf or alarmist sites don't do it for me.

lazs

[Tigeress]

Originally posted by lazs2
Name me a red city.    It has to be a worthy target tho.. like over 250,000 or so.

DC... are you kidding?  

I don't think "noble" had much to do with it.. "pragmatic" is a better word.   noble would imply that there was something I could do about it if I wanted to even if it were difficult for me personally.

but.. answer the question...  what is your solution.   I am big on solutions... that male thing I guess..  endless forays into the self help bookshelf or alarmist sites don't do it for me.

lazs

The whole point of the thread is to find a solution and get the job done.

Being ignorant of the issues and/or ignoring the issues is not a solution, but then I know you are fully aware of that.

To do nothing by indicision is, in itself, a decision.

TIGERESS

[lazs2]

ahhh...you edited.   where is this "world stage" you speak of?   how are the accustics?   good lighting?   can we use it between soap operas?

limit trade eh?   well.. I think it may be a little late for that.  It is estimated that just closing wal mart would add about a $2,000 a year burden on every family..  that is not even saying that everything made in unfriendly countries sells out of wal mart.    real effect would be more likely a destruction of our economy as we know it.. for at least a few decades..  

Are you advocating a few decades of pain now to maybe achieve.. achieve what?   how will anything you have said make for less nukes in the hands of people who hate anyone in their way?

lazs

[lazs2]

Ok.. so you can't name a red city.. you can't come up with a solution but... we should all just sit and talk about it?

lazs

[Tigeress]

Originally posted by lazs2
Ok.. so you can't name a red city.. you can't come up with a solution but... we should all just sit and talk about it?

lazs

We all know the Red Cities are in the Fly-Over states

But I am neither a leftie nor a rightie! I am a middle of the roadie.

They are all ...American Cities to me.

several quotes come to mind...

"Lead, Follow, or get out of the way."

"Your are either working on the solution or you are part of the problem."

I am searching for a solution. That starts with clearing defining and understanding the problem.

Seriously, Lazs, when you come out with this kind of twaddle you are leaving me no choice but to consider your inputs as Irrelavant.

TIGERESS

[Neubob]

Originally posted by Tigeress
‘The Bear’ and ‘the Dragon’ have teamed up to oppose the power of the United States, and it is about time the ‘sleeping giant’ woke up and acknowledged this fact.

TIGERESS

If the 'sleeping giant' does not take on a more pro-active stance on foreign bullying in general, it will be relegated to the status of 'fat **** passed out on a hammock'

[Tigeress]

Originally posted by Neubob
If the 'sleeping giant' does not take on a more pro-active stance on foreign bullying in general, it will be relegated to the status of 'fat **** passed out on a hammock'

And that is why there is going to be a shift of power in the USA from Rightie to Leftie... for better or worse.

The sleepy time is over.

The "By guess and by God" "Damn the torpedos; full speed ahead" "Don't confuse me with the facts; my mind is made up" mentality had its chance at bat.

I would start with shutting down the Intel Corp. construction of Fab 68 in China.

Intel Fab 68 is a $2.5 billion dollar state-of-the-art semiconductor manufacturing plant in Dalian, China started in March of this year.

"BEIJING, March 26, 2007 – Intel Corporation today announced plans to build a 300-millimeter (mm) wafer fabrication facility (fab) in the coastal Northeast China city of Dalian in Liaoning Province. The $2.5 billion investment for the factory designated Fab 68 will become Intel's first wafer fab in Asia and adds significant investment to Intel's existing operations in China."

reference: http://www.intel.com/pressroom/archive/releases/20070326corp.htm

Send letters and e-mails to your Congress and tell them to "Tear Down That Fab!"

Picket Intel! They are in bed with enemies of the USA... all in the name of capitolism.

Flood Intel with nasty-grams about Fab 68 and doing business with China who is a major threat to the security of the United States.

Hello? McFly??? Sleepy Time is over.

Russia and China are not our friends and they are adding power to the Hydra and making a buck at the same time! DANG!!!!!!!!!!

TIGERESS

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[Neubob]

Don't know if I agree with you there, Tigress...

Not sure that the current administration is really too loyal to the right wing values, either... But even if the do, I just don't see the socialists making any improvements in this country.

But let me put this in the terms of our previous little exchange...

If we were a 'sleeping giant', and under the current administration are risking becoming a 'fat **** passed out on the hammock', then the liberals will turn is into an 'obese-mumu-clad woman with one hand grasping the throat of her hapless child, and the other securely buried in a bucket of reduced-fat fried chicken'.

[Tigeress]

Originally posted by Neubob
Don't know if I agree with you there, Tigress...

Not sure that the current administration is really too loyal to the right wing values, either... But even if the do, I just don't see the socialists making any improvements in this country.

But let me put this in the terms of our previous little exchange...

If we were a 'sleeping giant', and under the current administration are risking becoming a 'fat **** passed out on the hammock', then the liberals will turn is into an 'obese-mumu-clad woman with one hand grasping the throat of her hapless child, and the other securely buried in a bucket of reduced-fat fried chicken'.

Honey, this is not about left and right.

This is about survival.

I think a cooperative bi-partisan approach is the way to go.

Stop this left-right bickering. Or we will bicker ourselves into a freeking grave as a country.

The Left will no doubt step-in and I don't think either party exclusively, Left or Right, presently has a clue.

Where is a Ronald Reagan or a John F. Kennedy when we need one?
We have a serious leadership vacuum and it needs to be filled, IMV.
Otherwise, I think we are done as a nation.

Perhaps the real enemy is not China and Russia and the Hydra; perhaps the real enemy is ourselves.

red cities; blue cities

I am stunned that would even come up.

I think it's going to require a few Hydra-Nukes before people start cooperating.

TIGERESS

[Neubob]

Ok, that I do agree with.

And no, China and Russia are not the big enemies. They are more like us than most of think, and their goals more resemble ours than we give them credit for. Maybe that is the cause of the fear. The main difference is that we are established and they are emerging. We are settled in our success and put more weight on morality, where as they just want their place in the modern world. Regardless of what anybody on this board believes, there are few prominent leaders of industry in either Russia or China that reasonably expect any gain from the demise of Western Europe and the US.

As the adage goes, we are our most dangerous enemy.

[Tigeress]

Originally posted by Neubob
Ok, that I do agree with.

And no, China and Russia are not the big enemies. They are more like us than most of think, and their goals more resemble ours than we give them credit for. Maybe that is the cause of the fear. The main difference is that we are established and they are emerging. We are settled in our success and put more weight on morality, where as they just want their place in the modern world. Regardless of what anybody on this board believes, there are few prominent leaders of industry in either Russia or China that reasonably expect any gain from the demise of Western Europe and the US.

As the adage goes, we are our most dangerous enemy.

A truely intelligent person.

Your stock just went through the roof in my book, Bob.

Megalomania will overrule logic and wisdom to the detriment of all.

TIGERESS

[Tigeress]

I need a little humor, Bob.

I dedicate this song to you, dear!

It's a compliment...

Stuck In The Middle With You by Louise

Well I don't know why I came here tonight
I've got a feelin' that somethin' ain't right
I'm so scared in case I fall off my chair
And I'm wonderin' how I'll get down the stairs
Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right
Here I am, stuck in the middle with you

Yes, I'm stuck in the middle with you
And I'm wonderin' what it is I should do
It's so hard to keep this smile from my face
Losin' control, yeah, I'm all over the place
Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right
Here I am stuck in the middle with you

Well you started off with nothin' and
You're proud that you're a self-made man, yeah
And your friends they all come crawlin'
Slap you on the back and say
Please...
Please...

Tryin' to make some sense of it all
But I can see that it makes no sense at all
Is it cool to go to sleep on the floor?
I don't think that I can take any more
Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right
Here I am stuck in the middle with you

Stuck in the middle
Stuck in the middle
Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right
Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right
Stuck in the middle
Stuck in the middle
Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right
Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right
Here I am stuck in the middle with you

Well you started off with nothin' and
You're proud that you're a self-made man, yeah
And your friends they all come crawlin'
And slap you on the back and say
Please...
I say please...

Well I don't know why I came here tonight
I've got a feelin' that somethin' ain't right
I'm so scared in case I fall off my chair
And I'm wonderin' how I'll get down the stairs
Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right
Here I am, stuck in the middle with you
Stuck in the middle with you
Oh, yeah
Stuck in the middle with you
Here I am
Stuck in the middle with you
With you, with you, with you...

TIGERESS

[Neubob]

Wow, Tigress, thanks... I am honored.

That song is forever ingrained in my mind as the theme music to the scene in Reservoir dogs where Michael Madson cuts off the ear of some poor cop he'd kidnapped in the trunk of his car.

Then he poured gasoline on him.

Ouch.

[Tigeress]

Originally posted by Neubob
Wow, Tigress, thanks... I am honored.

That song is forever ingrained in my mind as the theme music to the scene in Reservoir dogs where Michael Madson cuts off the ear of some poor cop he'd kidnapped in the trunk of his car.

Then he poured gasoline on him.

Ouch.

Now you can think, instead, of the Hydra Thread and Louise singin' the song!

Did you watch the video?

TIGERESS