General Climate Discussion

[bustr]

Originally posted by Arlo
LOL. I take it as a good sign. Not so much a meeting of political preferences or ideals but a more realistic approach to how much our differences shouldn't threaten our similarities.

Ok loquatiously orative one.....nudge nudge push push wink wink......can even you save these lost souls from this plauge O'Willyeeshness?????????

It's your style of human folly to imp upon.........

[Arlo]

No saving .... but I may expound later. Boss expects work for now. Damned bosses.

[MORAY37]

Originally posted by Holden McGroin
a·nal·o·gy [uh-nal-uh-jee]
–noun, plural -gies.

Logic. a form of reasoning in which one thing is inferred to be similar to another thing in a certain respect, on the basis of the known similarity between the things in other respects.  

A comparison of two different things that are alike in some way (see metaphor and simile). An analogy attributed to Samuel Johnson is: “Dictionaries are like watches; the worst is better than none, and the best cannot be expected to go quite true.”

Are dictionaries like watches?  Not really.  you can't tell time from a dictionary.

Oh.. I get it.

Because there is a scientific tenet that debases anthropogenic global warming.  

If there is... please share now.

[bustr]

Oh the Orriibbly Willy O it allllllllllllllll............ .........

[ghi]

imop,the Sun is responsible for climate change , the Earth is just a satellite , small pice of dust comparing , and any variation in Sun activity has huge impact here. The CO2 emission story is just an organized global bs, to scare peoples and make them conserve the limited fuel resouces until other new sources of energy are going to be discovered

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by lazs2
A better one would be that people are getting fatter.   The scientists computer models show that by the year 2100 they will be fat enough to throw off the rotation of the planet....
lazs

Global Marbling !
Gore`s gonna need a new jet.

[Hortlund]

Originally posted by lazs2

the 2 degrees you talk about...  it is a good thing.. nothing bad has happened so far.

...relax and enjoy it..

[indy007]

[Gixer]

"Help Stop Climate Change"

Putting aside the argument that global warming is even cause by C02 just for a second. The idea that we can reverse global warming is even more absurd.

We could shut down all the factories and all ride bicycles for the next 20 years isn't going to make a scrap of difference. Other then to produce a greenie "look what we've done" warm feeling for ourselves.

The planet is getting warmer, that's what it does just as it gets colder as well. Nothing WE can do about it!

Ironic that they are standing in a blizzard. Have they even agreed on whether the warming is going to cause a ice age or melt the antartica and drown us all? Atleast answer that.

Now I care just as much as the next person when some arse throws rubbish out their car window or a oil spill kills birds along the coast. But reversing global warming is just taking the scam to the extreme end of the scale.


...-Gixer

[Gixer]

Originally posted by Hortlund

Nice picture but I'm sure Hurricanes like that have been around long before statellites.


...-Gixer

[lazs2]

hortlund.. are you saying the mild hurricane season we just had is because of the 2 degree temp change that is claimed?

So who has been hurt so far?   we have had less hurricanes... is that not a good thing?

That is really a stretch..  15% increase in crop production is nothing I guess compared to one photo?   Nothing but good has happened so far..  fewer people have died of the cold.

relax and enjoy it.

lazs

[Hortlund]

What Im saying is the same thing I have been saying something like five times in this thread on the topic of hurricanes.

1) We know that hurricane strenght and wind speed is dependent on sea temperature. To put it in laymans terms, the warmer the water, the stronger the hurricane.

2) Its getting warmer.

Now, you have failed repeatedly to put 1 and 2 together, so Im not expecting you to succeed this time either. But still, there you have it.

[MORAY37]

Originally posted by Gixer
"Help Stop Climate Change"



Ironic that they are standing in a blizzard. Have they even agreed on whether the warming is going to cause a ice age or melt the antartica and drown us all? Atleast answer that.



...-Gixer

Although I already agree with your previous post... I don't think we can affect any change upon what is already happening.  That's a personal observation and feeling, due to what I see as ineffectual education and lacking of understanding by both our leaders and the populace at large.

It makes me laugh, though, when you tout a blizzard as proof that global climate change isn't happening.  First of all... a single weather event isn't indicative of anything.

Second of all, Snowfall, and precipitation patterns in general, are serious signs of warming.  I know in your feeble understanding of climate change, this may go against your pre-conceived notion that we're all going to just have one big day at the beach if climate change is real.  Do yourself a favor and google the coldest places on earth... find out how much precipitation they get....Answer your own question.

Any strange precipitation in strange locales... ie snow yesterday in South Carolina, should be noted as well.

Maine, for instance.... has had one of the snowiest winters in memory.  The really strange thing, from relatives that live there, is that for the first time they can remember, none of the snow stays.  They keep getting dumped on, 30... 40 inches.... and it's all gone in 4 days.  In winters past....it snowed and the snow STAYED till spring.  

I find that very interesting.

[lazs2]

and so to prove global warming moray uses the single event of one of his relatives in North America where sat data shows no real warming in the last two decades.  strange.

Yes..  there is an average year... average day even.  I track weather for work.. Have decades of data.

Guess what?   no year or day is average.   every year has unprecidented events.  it is the nature of weather to change and to set records..  for as long as records have been kept.. they have been broken every year.

There is no year that has average anything.   no year is like any other... that would be true if every human on the planet slit his throat this afternoon.

moray uses his great aunt and one place to show how the weather has gotten strange... beet and angus use greenland as proof and then say no warming in the US is "local"  but greenland somehow is.. the universe.

People that expect the weather to never break records are the naive ones.

lazs

[MORAY37]

Originally posted by lazs2
hortlund.. are you saying the mild hurricane season we just had is because of the 2 degree temp change that is claimed?

So who has been hurt so far?   we have had less hurricanes... is that not a good thing?

That is really a stretch..  15% increase in crop production is nothing I guess compared to one photo?   Nothing but good has happened so far..  fewer people have died of the cold.

relax and enjoy it.

lazs

Lazs... your overt stupidity is noted.

Heat is much more troublesome for the human body....you can figure the physical dynamics simply from looking at our temperature ranges.  We're generally comfortable at 80 degrees.... subract 30 degrees... at 50 degrees (in air)  we deal quite well, with only a light layer of clothing.. add a little exercise and the body warms itself easily...

ADD 30 degrees... at 110 degrees.... our bodies lose the ability to cool themselves, and we become reliant on powered means to sustain core temp (air conditioning)  without which as little as 24-48 hours you can be in complete renal failure.

The fact is.. deaths due to either are a regional occurence.  No comparison can be drawn between them statistically.  

The physical reality is the body deals better with being cooler than it does with being warmer, and that is something you cannot argue.