Author Topic: another campus shooting this week? (Read 4650 times)

superpug1 · « **Reply #45 on:** February 15, 2008, 03:28:28 AM »

Honestly, I agree about the CCW permits. If you have the permit to carry, you should be allowed to do so. knowing that at any minute you could be surrounded by law abiding people who are armed and able can serve as an excellent deterent to premeditated incidents. For those that aren't premeditated, i.e. crazy people, it can save tons of lives.

B@tfinkV · « **Reply #46 on:** February 15, 2008, 04:51:02 AM »

I told y'all this crap would continue and probably increase in the coming years. i can find references to old threads if need be.

islamist with bombs and school children with guns, both killing innocents. both the same thing.

perhaps GW Bush should be advocating the war on terror in his country, not in the sandy wastes.

who here is going to try and tell me the human race is not a watermelon faced waste of time?

moot · « **Reply #47 on:** February 15, 2008, 05:06:50 AM »

Going from cavemen to today is something of an improvement...

Curval · « **Reply #48 on:** February 15, 2008, 06:29:04 AM »

I read that this most recent shooting all took place within 2 minutes.

The guy pulled out the shotgun, fired and then killed himself.

There was no time for anyone to react.

Nashwan · « **Reply #49 on:** February 15, 2008, 07:21:00 AM »

There was a shooting at a city hall in Missouri last week. The shooter killed 2 police officers who were on guard duty, 1 inside, 1 outside. He also killed 3 other people before more police turned up and killed him.

He wasn't deterred by the knowledge armed police would be there, and he wasn't prevented from killing by the presence of armed police.

The idea that having someone armed will prevent these shootings is a fallacy.

MiloMorai · « **Reply #50 on:** February 15, 2008, 07:54:31 AM »

I will take my chances with some shooter than some ccw dork all pumped on adrenalin, never being in a situation before who thinks he is Rambo out to save the world.

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #51 on:** February 15, 2008, 08:16:08 AM »

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Originally posted by Nashwan
There was a shooting at a city hall in Missouri last week. The shooter killed 2 police officers who were on guard duty, 1 inside, 1 outside. He also killed 3 other people before more police turned up and killed him.

He wasn't deterred by the knowledge armed police would be there, and he wasn't prevented from killing by the presence of armed police.

The idea that having someone armed will prevent these shootings is a fallacy.

I'm pretty sure the police officers at the City Hall meeting weren't armed.

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I read that this most recent shooting all took place within 2 minutes.

The guy pulled out the shotgun, fired and then killed himself.

There was no time for anyone to react.

All it would have taken was 5 seconds for a CCW holder to pull a gun and TRY something. Instead it was open season on defenseless students for however long the gunman wanted.

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I will take my chances with some shooter than some ccw dork all pumped on adrenalin, never being in a situation before who thinks he is Rambo out to save the world.

Asking a European to save himself is like asking a Fish to walk on land.

john9001 · « **Reply #52 on:** February 15, 2008, 08:22:14 AM »

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Originally posted by MiloMorai
I will take my chances with some shooter than some ccw dork all pumped on adrenalin, never being in a situation before who thinks he is Rambo out to save the world.

i don't carry gun to protect you, i carry a gun to protect me, i really don't care what happens to you.

myelo · « **Reply #53 on:** February 15, 2008, 08:22:57 AM »

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Originally posted by lasersailor184
I'm pretty sure the police officers at the City Hall meeting weren't armed.

Yes they were. That's why he killed them first.

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #54 on:** February 15, 2008, 08:23:44 AM »

I was mistaken, the police officers WERE armed. However, that doesn't mean that carrying guns concealed is useless. It means that OPENLY carrying guns is useless. He can't directly go to kill a CCW holder if he doesn't know who they are.

Myelo hit it.

B@tfinkV · « **Reply #55 on:** February 15, 2008, 08:24:07 AM »

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Originally posted by lasersailor184

Asking a European to save himself is like asking a Fish to walk on land.

ever been to europe? have you ever even left the USA??

i have been to America. Richmond, Virginia. beautifull countryside, amazing wildlife and some very good people.

your pathetic, ignorant statements are much of the cause for why some people like to fly planes into your buildings. I hope you are prepared to accept that your idiocy and other fools like you have cost your nation many innocent lives.

oh, and i find it rather amusing that we quite possibly evolved to the state we are in now because a fish decided to walk on land

MiloMorai · « **Reply #56 on:** February 15, 2008, 09:36:32 AM »

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Originally posted by john9001
i don't carry gun to protect you, i carry a gun to protect me, i really don't care what happens to you.

Not asking you to. The point was the ccw dork playing Rambo is just as dangerous as the nut job to my well being.

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #57 on:** February 15, 2008, 09:49:03 AM »

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Originally posted by MiloMorai
Not asking you to. The point was the ccw dork playing Rambo is just as dangerous as the nut job to my well being.

Except for the fact that he's not. There is no evidence to show that a CCW holder made any incident worse.

lazs2 · « **Reply #58 on:** February 15, 2008, 10:06:00 AM »

Ok.. this is the deal...I stopped reading after the first page to reply.. will go back.

Here is the deal... armed security is the second best choice. As someone correctly pointed out.. they can be avoided by our little fame seeking dark avengers... also.. the licence for security guard is probly less stringent than that of concealed carry.. many security guards have some problems. failed police.. most concealed carry are taking a personal responsibility... I trust them far more than security guards.

Better than nothing cause the shooters are cowards.. will have some preventitive power... certainly much better than a big sign at the entrance saying "Baaaaaa... no one here but us sheep"

The real solution is to allow concealed carry... If the little "americas favorite dark avenger idol" thinks he can be shot dead before he does enough damage to be on CNN.. he will find some other place the liberals have made people into sheep.

trax and a few others bring up the good sounding but mythical idea that it will cause shootouts over who got more pudding or less.. this is the same arguement the socialists used for concealed carry for the general population.. it was said that every fender bender would result in a gunfight.. Of course.. that never happened and.. still doesn't.

Who would and should carry? well.. that is already in place. 21 is the age for most states for carry.. that would mean most students (rightfully) would not be armed.. of the remaining.. only about 10% would bother.. that is what real world figures tell us. Teachers? mostly liberal wussies and idiots... maybe 2% would be bright enough and responsible enough.. staff? again.. 10%

You would have.. about 3 guns concealed per 100 people on campus. It would be enough. It would cause no problems except in the heads of those too stubborn to see the truth and look at the stats.

lazs

trax1 · « **Reply #59 on:** February 15, 2008, 10:08:14 AM »

I'm glad to see I wasn't the only one who felt this way on this subject, I said it before, on the very very very rare occasion that a person in a class with a CCW would be needed doesn't justify doing it because I think theres a much bigger chance that a person with CCW in a class would kill or injure an innocent person. A classroom is no place for guns.