another campus shooting this week?

[lazs2]

and trax.. the last shooting at the religious school was stopped by citizens putting bullets into the shooter..  he was shot 3 times.. he may have shot himself after that but... he was out of the fight.

The number is that 1/3 of all school shootings have been stopped by a citizen with a gun.   there are several dramatic examples if you care to look..  in most cases the citizen had to go to the parking lot to get his gun.. it would have turned out better had he had it on him in the first place.

In the latest city council shooting.. the cop who was outside guarding the proceedings was the first person shot and then everyone else was a sheep.  he was shot because the shooter knew he was the only threat.

lazs

[B@tfinkV]

a class room is no place for guns.....true.

but when the lunatic brings a gun into the class room....well..i'm with gun nuts on this one....i would rather have an option available to me than sit there weeping before i was excecuted. meakly thinking 'this cant be happening to me' *BANG* lights out.

well, it is happening, you are maybe going to die, and damned if i am not going to take every legal option presented to protect myself in that situation.

luckily i dont live in a gun country, so for me this is a moot point. if i did however, i would want to be armed AT LEAST to the same level as the resident homicidal maniac.

[lazs2]

I will concede that there is a way to make armed guards work.

Every building will have to be build like casinos.   There will need to be a sharpshooter in behind the one way glass on the walkway above all the open areas.  He will need to have a casino like view of everything.

lazs

[Brownshirt]

Carrying a gun should be made mandatory; if everyone would have guns things like this wouldn't happen. More guns = safer.

[lasersailor184]

Originally posted by B@tfinkV
a class room is no place for guns.....true.

but when the lunatic brings a gun into the class room....well..i'm with gun nuts on this one....i would rather have an option available to me than sit there weeping before i was excecuted. meakly thinking 'this cant be happening to me' *BANG* lights out.

well, it is happening, you are maybe going to die, and damned if i am not going to take every legal option presented to protect myself in that situation.

luckily i dont live in a gun country, so for me this is a moot point. if i did however, i would want to be armed AT LEAST to the same level as the resident homicidal maniac.

Sorry for inferring that Europeans aren't willing to protect themselves.  It's just hard to think otherwise with the rampant liberalism.

[lazs2]

milo.. you bring up nothing but myth.. there are millions of citizens  carrying concealed.   Florida alone has issued about 1,300,000 and over 400,000 in one year.   women are the latest big class of permit holders.

I have never heard of one all pumped up on rambo juice harming someone who didn't need it.

the amount of permits revolked is tiny...  0.02% and mostly for neglect.. forgetting to leave the gun in the car when in a prohibited place for instance or..  being convicted of some unrelated crime like alleged spousal abuse.

You really have nothing to fear from concealed carry holders.

lazs

[B@tfinkV]

Originally posted by lasersailor184
Sorry for inferring that Europeans aren't willing to protect themselves.  It's just hard to think otherwise with the rampant liberalism.

thats ok i expect it.

did you answer my question?

have you ever left the US of A?

[Airscrew]

Originally posted by MiloMorai
Not asking you to. The point was the ccw dork playing Rambo is just as dangerous as the nut job to my well being.

Do you really think you are safer using Armed Security guards?  what makes you think a security guard (and not all of them are armed either) is better than a person with CCW licence? what leads you to call CCW holders dork? Playing Rambo.   Do you know what the requirements are to get a CCW license?   You dont just walk in and get a license.

Certification course costs $125,  re-certification course $75.  The license itself is $140.  The instructors get their training and certifiaction from the DPS.  They are monitored by the DPS,
Texas requires a 10 - 15 hour certification course.  Obtaining a permit to carry concealed handguns in the State of Texas requires a 10 hour Texas Concealed Handgun License Certification course which trains men and women self defense techniques, gun safety, child safety around guns, and Texas laws regarding use of force and licensing requirements.

Recertification is required every five years by holders of a Texas Concealed Handgun License who wish to continue to carry concealed handguns in the State of Texas.

Instructors teach Texas laws on weapons and the use of deadly force.
Knowledge of Firearms, Gun Safety, Selection of Handguns & Ammunition, Child Safety, Dispute Resolution, Use of Force, Gun Storage, etc...

On top of that there are requirements that must be met or DPS will not issue a CCW license.

A number of factors may disqualify you from obtaining a license, such as: felony convictions and some misdemeanor convictions, including charges that resulted in probation or deferred adjudication, pending criminal charges chemical or alcohol dependency, certain types of psychological diagnoses, protective or restraining orders, defaults on taxes, governmental fees, student loans or child support.

DWI is at least a Class B misdemeanor, and you are ineligible for a license for five years after a conviction for a Class A or Class B misdemeanor or disorderly conduct. This includes cases that were dismissed after you completed probation or deferred adjudication. If you have been convicted of two or more alcohol or drug-related offenses within the last 10 years, you may not be eligible.

Under the concealed handgun law, it is illegal to carry a handgun if you are intoxicated.

I dont see any Rambo's getting CCW Licences...

[lazs2]

I think it is fair to point out that milo... if he lives here or visits here...  that he has been around CCW "dorks" all the time and just didn't know it.

If he does not live here or ever been here.. then he really has no clue in any case.  

to summarize.. he doesn't know..  the facts show him to be wrong and.. he maybe doesn't even know America or Americans.

bat.. I have been to england.  I was shocked by how little the people there know about firearms.  I don't think that any of them could seperate myth from fact without some serious research.   I was not comfortable with british law and would not want to live there under any circumstance.

lazs

[B@tfinkV]

hey me too lazs, i just got birthed here, no choice in the matter. im Irish Scottish and a bit of other stuff by blood. if i had a choice i would be jamaican....

if you have been to europe then i respect your observations sometimes more than my own countrymen. If you have never left your own country you do not deserve to make blanket statements about other cultures, imo.

[lasersailor184]

Originally posted by B@tfinkV
thats ok i expect it.

did you answer my question?

have you ever left the US of A?

Once to Canada, but that probably doesn't count.

[Curval]

"The number is that 1/3 of all school shootings have been stopped by a citizen with a gun."

You keep throwing this out as fact and I have yet to see any evidence that this has been the case at all.  The only thing you do is point me to Lott's book.

You have the book, can you please tell me how he arrived at these figures?

[B@tfinkV]

hey, thats cool if you want to damn canadians. im sorry if i struck out too hard with my knee jerk reaction. I am just rather intolerant of people who have no experience of another culture yet surmise that they can judge an entire nation from what they see through the vastly inaccurate world medias.

this type of ignorance is no less of a crime than an arab telling me my culture is wrong when he has never left his sand pit ...and moreover i will be blown up because of it.

come to england, see how it really is, then i might even prime the fuse for you...

[trax1]

Originally posted by lazs2
and trax.. the last shooting at the religious school was stopped by citizens putting bullets into the shooter..  he was shot 3 times.. he may have shot himself after that but... he was out of the fight.

The number is that 1/3 of all school shootings have been stopped by a citizen with a gun.   there are several dramatic examples if you care to look..  in most cases the citizen had to go to the parking lot to get his gun.. it would have turned out better had he had it on him in the first place.

In the latest city council shooting.. the cop who was outside guarding the proceedings was the first person shot and then everyone else was a sheep.  he was shot because the shooter knew he was the only threat.

lazs

I think your taking what I've said wrong, I have absolutely no problem with guns, I love guns, hell I had my first gun when I was 10 and got myself a FOID card, in my family guns are something we all enjoy very much, I love nothing better then going out to the range and shooting off a few thousand rounds, and I have no problem with CCW's, it's just when it comes to school I don't think they belong in the hands of students.

[lasersailor184]

Originally posted by trax1
I think your taking what I've said wrong, I have absolutely no problem with guns, I love guns, hell I had my first gun when I was 10 and got myself a FOID card, in my family guns are something we all enjoy very much, I love nothing better then going out to the range and shooting off a few thousand rounds, and I have no problem with CCW's, it's just when it comes to school I don't think they belong in the hands of students.

Guns are ALREADY in the hands of students.  Many college students have CCW permits and DO carry their guns with them.  


Except for where they are not allowed to, one of which is a college campus.  



These people who you will never know walk around day in and day out ready to protect you, me and anyone else.  Yet somehow something magical happens to them the moment they step on a college campus?