TAKING A ENY POLL

[RTHolmes]

it's main function is to give the biggest team a small handicap when numbers are getting out of control. It's basically just there to prevent having overhwelming numbers AND top rides at the same time.

exactly , and it works just fine. so thats a big no from me

[Shuffler]

well, its not doing that either..

yesterday the bish had the most people on..  but have FEWER in flight than the rooks, and only 6 more than the nits..

Looks as if the problem lies with your team not the ENY. Your team can help by logging if they are not going to fly. This would drop the ENY. Since your loyal to that team and only that team, maybe you can sort it out at your next meeting.

[Iron_Cross]

For the people that think ENY restrictions, is being random in its calculations of the limit.

The limit is based on the percentage of overage, between largest and smallest side, not the number of people over.  I keep seeing the same whine in this thread about how arena A, has the same difference in people between high and low country, as arena B, yet don't state the total number of people on in those arenas, and whine that arena A has an ENY of 27, and arena B has an ENY of 7.  What the "GET RID OF ENY" propaganda machine wants you to think is that ENY restrictions are arbitrarily generated, when in fact, if I use the example above, is that arena A has 140 players on, while arena B has maybe 320 players.  The same amount of people over in each of those arenas is not an indicator of how much ENY should be calculated, as the percentage of overage is DIFFERENT.

ENY, is fair, impartial, and above all works better than anything else Hitech, and Co. have tried in the past.  It is working because you are whining about it.  If you want to hoard, you will not be able to do it in your uber ride.

[waystin2]

ENY system works great, no changes needed!

[Anaxogoras]

ENY is objective. Some ppl just see only they want to see.

Oleg, is it possible for you to interpret me less charitably?

The ENY values of aircraft in AH are not determined by any measurable standard, but by HTC's opinion alone.  This has been repeated to me time and time again when I complain about it, and most members of the community even defend it.  The most telling evidence of the arbitrariness of ENY values is that they are almost always in multiples of 5 or 10, which is to say painted with a very broad brush.  I am not in favor of doing away with ENY, it does more good than harm, but it's because of our willingness to defend an improvable system blindly that it is so easy to critique it.

[Wingnutt]

Looks as if the problem lies with your team not the ENY. Your team can help by logging if they are not going to fly. This would drop the ENY. Since your loyal to that team and only that team, maybe you can sort it out at your next meeting.

if eny was 10 in bish, and our squad went rooks, it would be 10 in rooks, we have 70 ACTIVE members and on prime time between 20 and 30 on at a given time.

[DCCBOSS]

For the people that think ENY restrictions, is being random in its calculations of the limit.

The limit is based on the percentage of overage, between largest and smallest side, not the number of people over.  I keep seeing the same whine in this thread about how arena A, has the same difference in people between high and low country, as arena B, yet don't state the total number of people on in those arenas, and whine that arena A has an ENY of 27, and arena B has an ENY of 7.  What the "GET RID OF ENY" propaganda machine wants you to think is that ENY restrictions are arbitrarily generated, when in fact, if I use the example above, is that arena A has 140 players on, while arena B has maybe 320 players.  The same amount of people over in each of those arenas is not an indicator of how much ENY should be calculated, as the percentage of overage is DIFFERENT.

ENY, is fair, impartial, and above all works better than anything else Hitech, and Co. have tried in the past.  It is working because you are whining about it.  If you want to hoard, you will not be able to do it in your uber ride.

First off no one is whining about it, it is our right to bring this to the forum and to Hitech's attention if we feel something is wrong with way is functioning. That being said. you stated while arena A has 140 players while arena B has 320 players and so on, this not what we are talking about. We seen that in both late war arenas the proportion of player offset about the same, orange had 35 more rooks than bish and 15 more than knits (rooks ENY was about "6"), in the blue arena the bish had 20 more player than the knights and 13 more the the rooks (bishs ENY was "21"), this value had stayed high for more than 30 minutes or more. This type of irregularity is what we are talking about, not all this bull about uber rides and so on, also I understand that other methods have been tried in the past, that doesn't mean all alternatives have been explored, does it now. While I will admit that ENY does work to some degree, maybe some tweaking of the calculation or a different approach is needed.

[Iron_Cross]

Oleg, is it possible for you to interpret me less charitably?

The ENY values of aircraft in AH are not determined by any measurable standard, but by HTC's opinion alone.  This has been repeated to me time and time again when I complain about it, and most members of the community even defend it.  The most telling evidence of the arbitrariness of ENY values is that they are almost always in multiples of 5 or 10, which is to say painted with a very broad brush.  I am not in favor of doing away with ENY, it does more good than harm, but it's because of our willingness to defend an improvable system blindly that it is so easy to critique it.

The reason that ENY is in multiples of 5 is simple.  So that you understand, that when ENY restrictions are climbing, people have some time to take action to correct the situation before the next plane restrictions hit. 

ENY is not arbitrary.  The numbers are based on the effectiveness of the vehicle, based on years of game data provided by the players themselves.  Every time someone ups a vehicle Hitech and Co. adds that data, as to how that vehicle performed, and averages that with all the other data about how that vehicle performed and comes up with an ENY number.  For new vehicles, Hitech has a rough guide based on how similar performance vehicles, perform.  Speed, maneuverability, and firepower, are the chief drivers of  those ENY numbers calculation AFAIK. 

If you don't think ENY numbers change then I have to show you the C-Hog.  It was eventually perked.  In-game data was showing that it was a much more effective plane, than the performance data was indicating.

[Banshee7]

I say keep ENY.  I'm never effetced because i fly 38s and a few German planes....all of which have an ENY of 20 or above (except for Dora).

[Lusche]

First off no one is whining about it, it is our right to bring this to the forum and to Hitech's attention if we feel something is wrong with way is functioning. That being said. you stated while arena A has 140 players while arena B has 320 players and so on, this not what we are talking about. We seen that in both late war arenas the proportion of player offset about the same, orange had 35 more rooks than bish and 15 more than knits (rooks ENY was about "6"), in the blue arena the bish had 20 more player than the knights and 13 more the the rooks (bishs ENY was "21"), this value had stayed high for more than 30 minutes or more. This type of irregularity is what we are talking about

You should have read the post you had quoting from.

It is no irregularity.
ENY is always computed the same way. For each country.
It's about relative differences. 20 players more may be miniscule when the arena has 400 players, or a substantial advantage when arena has 120 players.

I switch teams every once in a while. And the thing I constantly read on every countrychannel is: "ENY unfair to us, they do never have such an high eny"
People happily ignore ENY limiter restrictions when the enemy has them, but only notice it when the ENY note pops up in hangar and they are affected.

There is a reason we never see any proofs for constantly whacked ENY such as screenshots. Just as we never see those "I didn't collide but I took damage from it" or "Spit 16 can get to 500mph while climbing" films...

[Oleg]

Oleg, is it possible for you to interpret me less charitably?

The ENY values of aircraft in AH are not determined by any measurable standard, but by HTC's opinion alone.

Maybe i misunderstood you, but i mean system at all (ENY-based restriction), not plane's ENY values, keeping in mind all these whines about ENY works differently for different counters or so.
ENY values may be not objective but they same for all countries, so i dont see problems here. Its just about personal preferences.

[Anaxogoras]

The reason that ENY is in multiples of 5 is simple.  So that you understand, that when ENY restrictions are climbing, people have some time to take action to correct the situation before the next plane restrictions hit. 

ENY is not arbitrary.  The numbers are based on the effectiveness of the vehicle, based on years of game data provided by the players themselves.  Every time someone ups a vehicle Hitech and Co. adds that data, as to how that vehicle performed, and averages that with all the other data about how that vehicle performed and comes up with an ENY number.  For new vehicles, Hitech has a rough guide based on how similar performance vehicles, perform.  Speed, maneuverability, and firepower, are the chief drivers of  those ENY numbers calculation AFAIK. 

If you don't think ENY numbers change then I have to show you the C-Hog.  It was eventually perked.  In-game data was showing that it was a much more effective plane, than the performance data was indicating.

If you're saying that ENY values are consistent and have adapted to data, then to my mind there are just too many counterexamples to believe it.  At best, consistent ENY values have been assigned poorly.  Case in point:  The 190D vs the Ta152.  Which is the better arena aircraft, and which has the lower ENY?  I can come up with more examples if you'd like.

[Iron_Cross]

First off no one is whining about it, it is our right to bring this to the forum and to Hitech's attention if we feel something is wrong with way is functioning. That being said. you stated while arena A has 140 players while arena B has 320 players and so on, this not what we are talking about. We seen that in both late war arenas the proportion of player offset about the same, orange had 35 more rooks than bish and 15 more than knits (rooks ENY was about "6"), in the blue arena the bish had 20 more player than the knights and 13 more the the rooks (bishs ENY was "21"), this value had stayed high for more than 30 minutes or more. This type of irregularity is what we are talking about, not all this bull about uber rides and so on, also I understand that other methods have been tried in the past, that doesn't mean all alternatives have been explored, does it now. While I will admit that ENY does work to some degree, maybe some tweaking of the calculation or a different approach is needed.

You are not getting it.  You are still looking at the numbers of players one country has over another and thinking that is how ENY restrictions are calculated.   To give you an example using your numbers.

LWO, Bish have say, 110 players on, and the Rooks have 35 more than Bish.  Thats 145 Rooks a difference of 31.8%, and a ENY of 6.

LWB Knights have say, 20 players on and Bish have 20 more than knights that is 40, thats a 100% difference and ENY restriction is 21. 

I'm not including the middle numbers because that is not how ENY restrictions are calculated. 

See I can make a small difference seem like a huge one as far as ENY goes, if I don't state how many people are in the arena.  You are still not stating how many total people are in those arenas, just the difference between high and low number sides.  That is not how ENY is CALCULATED

[DadRabit]

wonder if you had two ma's.  one with eny, one without.  which one would be more popular?  i'd be in the ma with no eny.   

[Lusche]

If you're saying that ENY values are consistent and have adapted to data, then to my mind there are just too many counterexamples to believe it.  At best, consistent ENY values have been assigned poorly.  Case in point:  The 190D vs the Ta152.  Which is the better arena aircraft, and which has the lower ENY?  I can come up with more examples if you'd like.

But at least were now getting on a different track. Instead of discussing ENY limiter as such we are discussing individual plane values. And as those can not be assigned 100% objectively (What's considered a better plane? The faster or the better turning one?) there is always something to argue about. But take note that ENY values are not cast in stone. They have been changed various times to better reflect the MA realities. Take the C.205 for example. Once it was my supreme perk farmer when it's ENY was at 40(!), but now these days are gone since 2006