curious...why is LA7 not perked?

[moot]

Given that germany was attrited to bits, it'd be nice if those late spits were added in tandem with souped up doras (like JV44's) and high boost and high grade fueled 109s.

[Morpheus]

This thread should be perked for forum domination.

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[Rich46yo]

"The Noob Machine". You only have to read the above to see that any player wanting some modicum of success will be drawn to the La7. He will of course display all the characteristics of a new player. Shall we say the characteristics of a less mature player. Head ons, horde play, cherry picking, kill stealing, daisy chaining, vulching, etc etc. Its interesting to note that the consensus of some is that it is the aircraft that does this and not the player. I wonder what the outcome would be if such logic were applied to e.g. Gun law in the US. The truth is of course is that we see such individual game play characteristics from all aircraft flown by such pilots.

I have never seen an "experten" complain about an La7 that was flown well.

                   Thing is Ive seen as much, or more, examples of this kinda gameplay done by experienced players. When Im in turn fights in LAs, with airplanes that turn about the same, usually by the 2nd or 3rd pass they are HO'ing me. And some of these guys have been in the game a long time. Vulching is the air equivalent of spawn camping. Take a good look next time whos sitting over a capped field for 30 mins, and then lands 8 kills.

                  I hear experienced players whine about the LA-7 all the time. And if your in a furball its only a matter of time before some plane causes you to lose an advantage. I agree about the chaser bit, even if there are some unperked airplanes as fast as the LA-7. But your probably only going to see this at a base you are attacking due to the LAs short legs.

                I agree that its taken on the position of cultural bad boy. Just like blaming the noobs has always been preferential then blaming the ones actually doing the game gaming, scoe H'oeing, and cheap shoting.

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I think a 5pt perk would at least deter the suicide dweebs, and make them think a bit about actually trying to live through a fight.  The folks really wanting to fly the bird wouldn't be upset by that small amount, much like the C-Hog's.  While it may make nubs think twice about upping it to auger in while vulching or porking ord/troops.

HEY i am a SUICIDE DWEEB  and you will never see me vulch, or pork,   hehe

  okay back to topic i say perk the LA7,  SPIT 16, and i will still fly them,  the way i look at it, i always get ganged, (thats what happens when i fly to the biggest red dar,) and those two planes give me the best chance for a return to base, or at least get 4 or 5 of the horde trying to kill me.

  when are some of you gonna get it into your heads, the plane doesnt realy matter, someone who does'nt know how to use his plane is an easy kill (for the most part) i have killed la7's in a p40, and so many other combatations im not gonna recount them here.
 i also remember not to long ago i had a p38 out turn my spit. he tottaly took me by surprized, not that he jumped me from behind, i saw him way off but, he made that 38 fly like a hurri, it was  beautifull, i know i wassnt trying all that hard at first, (im thinking crappy 38)  ya right. 

its the stick, not the plane. its been said and proved over and over again.

[Bucky73]

When you say it's "the stick not the plane" I have some trouble with that....Yes, it is up to the gamer to know what to do in certain situations and you should know your strengths and weakness's in anything you drive, but I don't care how good of a "stick" you are a p40 will never RUN down a LA-7. If some guy fights me with a p40 he would have to keep his guns on me for a bit to kill me because of the lethality of the bullets...however if that same guy use's a LA with it's canons then he wouldn't have to keep it on me that long now would he? So to suggest the plane has NOTHING to do with it is just wrong.

[CAP1]

                   The reason the LA has such a mediocre K/D ratio, or at least one of them, is that many people upp them only in desperate situations. Like when the enemy has a vulchvest going on or when your just plain outnumbered. Im also told that many newer sticks fly them but its hard to tell. Nobody with any time in the game admits to flying LAs and Im just not the type to check anyones stats.

                    I would rate the Hispanos as far better then the Russian cannon. And the Tempest is a far better gun platform. I begin to worry if a Tempest or C-Hog is 600 behind me but dont start worrying about the LA till 400, or even 200. If the Tempest wasnt perked then a lot more people would fly it a lot more recklessly. Most people really dont care if they get shot down in a LA. Ill also bet if most guys had to choose between gunning a Tempest, and gunning an LA, they would go after the LA. There's something about the LA-7 that just brings the meanness out in guys. I have seen an entire furball drop what they are doing and chase me in an LA. Ive never seen a Tempest mix it up with the rest of the pack anyways. Everyone Ive seen flys them like "run-90s" or "runstangs". They barrel in from 15k, HO you, and then run. But its always the LaLas that get the bad rep.

                   One big reason the LA isn't perked, and it should continue to not be, is that it has very short legs and doesnt have a external fuel option. That means you have to fly it to shorter ranges and for shorter times. That and it doesnt carry meaningful ords, which means its not much of a GV killer. Actually one of the toughest opponent's for an LA is a 109K4, which is what? 20 eny? And the lesser Spits can give you a hard time as well. But.....Im only approaching medium skill in LAs. Ive seen a few guys who can really, really fly them.

                 The LA-7s are a great ride for the guy who refuses to be a mindless, gelded robot who badmouths them just cause everyone else does. Ill bet I see less LAs in the air then spits and runstangs anyways.

i find a lot of pilots actually fight when they're in these too.....i mean REALLY fight, not HO n run. i've had some good fights against them.  i do agree about the hizooks, as i think they're the best in the game.....the only other cannon bird i fly with multiple cannons is the zeke. while these don't seem too deadly aout past 400 yards, somehow, i generally am within 200-300 when i fire in these, and even the japanese cannons rip wings right off in 1-2 second bursts. one thing i noticed the other night(only my 3rd time on this month) was in a A6M5B v P39, i got a quick snapshot at about 350 yds, and saw a nice spread of hitsjust behind the cockpit.....and the cobra lit up like a zeke. it didn't look like it burned as long as a zeke does either.

as far as the hatred for the lalas? i wonder if that may be something left over from AW3, as a lot seemed to hate them in there. i don't personally care if it's perked or not. the guys that fly em fight in em, so they, and their opponents both have fun. that's all that matters. what's not fun? supersonic tempests(unless we get to see them lawndart)    the p-38/p-51 bnz combo. actually anything bnz'ing. but that's where some get their fun too, so i just try to avoid them.
 someoe mentioned that all the bogies in a furball would go after the single lala......i feel that way when i'm in my spixteen.....that's why i use the 5 or 9 for thaT.....

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[eh]

HTC perking policy may seem strange at times................

I would lay bets that when ordinance perking is introduced the 3 x b20 La7 will receive its perk. As a late war variant of comparatively few in number this would seem appropriate. However if this were to cause mass migration to such aircraft as the N1K2 the resultant backlash here may be interesting.

That would be a mistake. The La-7 carries no ordinance worth mentioning, and has no external fuel tanks to give it reasonable distance. And the ballistics of those three cannons is not nearly as good as the 4 Hispanos on the Chog or the Tempests. Except for the third cannon, it has nothing going for it except speed. Overall, the La-7 is merely a niche fighter, not an all-round killer/attacker such as the late American rides. If the La-7 gets perked, then ponies and jugs and corsairs -- all planes with MUCH better performance characteristics and destructive power should be perked at least as much.

On the other hand, if the La-7 had better fuel consumption and/or external fuel tanks, then those who chose THOSE options should pay perk points for them. But perking the La 7, as it is now available, is unreasonable.

[Coshy]

... I don't care how good of a "stick" you are a p40 will never RUN down a LA-7.

A "good stick" knows better than to try running down a LA7, he'll just gain some E and wait for the inevitable return.

[Bucky73]

Please read the whole post before you respond

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When you say it's "the stick not the plane" I have some trouble with that....Yes, it is up to the gamer to know what to do in certain situations and you should know your strengths and weakness's in anything you drive, but I don't care how good of a "stick" you are a p40 will never RUN down a LA-7. If some guy fights me with a p40 he would have to keep his guns on me for a bit to kill me because of the lethality of the bullets...however if that same guy use's a LA with it's canons then he wouldn't have to keep it on me that long now would he? So to suggest the plane has NOTHING to do with it is just wrong.

no where in my post did i say the plane has NOTHING to do with it, as a matter of fact

"...those two planes give me the best chance for a return to base..."

here i seem to acknowledge the fact that some planes give me a better chance.  and yes a p40 could in the right circumstance chase down a LA ie  la low and slow(stick being AFK)lol, p40 carring lots of speed from on high,  obviously the plane has something to do with it BUT, and thats a huge BUT,  the stick is what matters.
   

[Anaxogoras]

Enough already!

Tilt, you hit the nail on the head.

[Bucky73]

its the stick, not the plane. its been said and proved over and over again.

Just seems a bit conflicting......

[cbizkit]

Just seems a bit conflicting......

It's a generalization is all. In the majority of 1v1 scenarios each plane has it's own strengths and weaknesses and a good pilot will fly to his strengths and against his targets weaknesses. The outcome of which is dependant on both the differential of skill between the two pilots and the differential of capabilities between the strengths of one plane and the weaknesses of the other.

The plane comes into play when either the skill differential between the two pilots is too small to overcome the inherent advantages of the aircraft being flow or when the inherent advantages of the aircraft prove too large. Obviously this is a simplification but that's basically what it all boils down to.

I would agree that most of the time the difference in pilot skill is greater then the difference in the inherent advantages of the planes. Mainly because there seems to be a fairly low proportion of fights where one aircraft is superior in all facets to it's target. (P40B vs LA7 etc) Most of the time a smart pilot has strengths to make use of in order to tilt the fight in their favor.

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It's a generalization is all. In the majority of 1v1 scenarios each plane has it's own strengths and weaknesses and a good pilot will fly to his strengths and against his targets weaknesses. The outcome of which is dependant on both the differential of skill between the two pilots and the differential of capabilities between the strengths of one plane and the weaknesses of the other.

The plane comes into play when either the skill differential between the two pilots is too small to overcome the inherent advantages of the aircraft being flow or when the inherent advantages of the aircraft prove too large. Obviously this is a simplification but that's basically what it all boils down to.

I would agree that most of the time the difference in pilot skill is greater then the difference in the inherent advantages of the planes. Mainly because there seems to be a fairly low proportion of fights where one aircraft is superior in all facets to it's target. (P40B vs LA7 etc) Most of the time a smart pilot has strengths to make use of in order to tilt the fight in their favor.

now that is a great way of putting it,   and explains it in a way even us dumb ones can understand.

[Shuffler]

LA-7s are not perked for the same reasons Trees are not perked. Trees have a much higher k/d too.