July FSO, Der Zeite Blitz: 1945

[VonMessa]

Ta152.

Get some, MOOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[REP0MAN]

m00t in a Ta152.

Fixed

[humble]

Fixed

Yup, theres a 152 and then theres a 152M

[VonMessa]

Yup, theres a 152 and then theres a 152M

I think that is what Moot flies to work very day.       

[Krusty]

The 152 is a fair plane at alt, but I've gone up against 47Ns and 51Ds over 25k with it, and it's really not much for dogfighting that high up. It would be able to jockey for bounce alt, but once the enemy is found the fight still needs to descend to proceed normally.

[33Vortex]

The 152 is a fair plane at alt, but I've gone up against 47Ns and 51Ds over 25k with it, and it's really not much for dogfighting that high up. It would be able to jockey for bounce alt, but once the enemy is found the fight still needs to descend to proceed normally.

Imho, then you don't know how to fly the 152, it's not a dogfighter at all, not at hight alt anyway. There is something called E fighting. 

[Stoney]

The 152 is a fair plane at alt, but I've gone up against 47Ns and 51Ds over 25k with it, and it's really not much for dogfighting that high up. It would be able to jockey for bounce alt, but once the enemy is found the fight still needs to descend to proceed normally.

I bumped into Lute one time in the MA, with me in a 47N and he in a 152.  We merged at about 20k, and the fight progressed up over a few minutes, neither one of us blowing our energy for a shot.  After about 5 minutes, we were above 25k and still climbing.  Finally, at about 28k, I managed to close to about 1,000 meters on his low 6, but out of WEP from the maneuvering, and slow, around 200 IAS.  He was able to accelerate away.

Flown properly, the 152 is more than a handful for a 47N at those altitudes.  Nothing "dogfights" at 30K, not even a 47N.

[Krusty]

Yeah, that's kind of what I was saying, your last line I mean.

[humble]

Imho, then you don't know how to fly the 152, it's not a dogfighter at all, not at hight alt anyway. There is something called E fighting. 

Why dont you got a few rounds with krusty some time before you comment. While there is no question that moot is an exceptional stick (in more then just the 152) Krusty can fly a bit. As others have said all fighting from about 25K up is really E fighting...

[Stampf]

Why dont you got a few rounds with krusty some time before you comment. While there is no question that moot is an exceptional stick (in more then just the 152) Krusty can fly a bit. As others have said all fighting from about 25K up is really E fighting...

This thread is hilarious.

Snap, I like Krusty and while we often disagree on things, we keep it civil.  What he types gets him in trouble, nothing more.  This is not the venue for suggesting duels based on this topic.  I don't think anyone needs to duel someone in order to "comment" , do you?  Moot, while totally lethal, is not the only TA ace in game.  Vortex is massivley talented in the TA sir.  Massively.  Very few pilots in AH would last more than a few minutes with him at alt.  But that is not the question here.  You seem to be gunning for Vortex lately, on many different threads.  Maybe I am wrong about that.  I do hope so, as being a close freind to the man, I can tell ya he is a poilished act.

[33Vortex]

Why dont you got a few rounds with krusty some time before you comment. While there is no question that moot is an exceptional stick (in more then just the 152) Krusty can fly a bit. As others have said all fighting from about 25K up is really E fighting...

Well, I didn't critisize his flying but let me suggest that he actually think before posting something suggesting that the Ta152 can't fight at high alt,  which is what it was totally designed for.

[Fencer51]

You might think so, but not really.

They're not that much fun. Usually the higher aircraft (allied) hold all the cards. 190ds as modeled in this game are simply DOGMEAT to all but early P-47s, where they are fought to a stalemate. We've seen this in many past high-alt FSOs before. The only plane that can compete with allies at alt is the 109K-4 and to a lesser extent the 109G-14, but both of these are limited in alt and manuverability at alt. A P-47 and P-51 can make a nice gentle turn at 30k+ but at 30k a 109 can't even bank without losing 500fpm. Any fight will have to be dragged DOWN before it can be fought, which gives the allies all the cards, bouncing from above, choosing when to attack, when to disengage, flying circles around the LW planes in-game.


Let's face it, there's just no fair setup for super-late-war rides in this game. It's too lopsided IMO.

Let me guess, you didn't fly in Der Grosse Schlag did you?

[Krusty]

vortex, I did say it was decent at alt.

It is probably the only ride that can jockey for bounce-alt like the US planes, but still once there that's the best it can do. I've actually tried fights from 25k+ in the 152 (with various planes, some p-47s even) and even though it has a lot of horsepower at this alt it really doesn't translate into manuverability at this alt.

Not a negative, per se, just a note.

Oh, and "what he types" - I take a bit of offense at this. I've not typed anything that's "got me in trouble" as you put it. I may not choose the best words or phrase things in the best way, but I try to clarify if there is any confusion (at least I try!).

[33Vortex]

You can't "dogfight" with any a/c up at hight alt (30k +), it becomes a E fight. Trying to fight anything at high alt with anywhere close to equal E state than yourself is very difficult, so if you're up there in the Ta (or any other a/c) make sure you have the speed or alt advantage before engaging anything. Obviously you have not experienced the speed and maneuverability of the Ta at 35k. It's not a Spitfire either, try to fly it like one and you'll die inevitably. The Ta152 require some brains and nerve control to perform well.

[Stampf]

No offense intended Krusty. My appologies if some was taken.  My point was only that What you post, often invokes strong responses all across the board.  That's good.  Keep em sharp.