HTC give us the choice!!!!!!

[SlapShot]

most unrealistic, lame, yes,,, but i bet if you couldn't take it with you, many would not change sides as often, it is amazing to me how many say they don't care about there score yet play for it almost all the time!

If "you" means me personally ... you know me better than that ... if "you" is being used collectively ... in most cases you are likely right.

[WWhiskey]

How do you figure someone is playing for score?

it is a blanket statement, not meant to be derogatory in any way, i just think that a lot more people play for score than will ever admit,,, including me!  only I don't play to be number one, i just like to be in the top half most of

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the time, a few players that I can think of , switch sides to help keep or increase there score," IN MY OPINION",  and as such, it would be harder to manipulate a score if they could not switch sides and take there score with them!
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[RufusLeaking]

I took RufusLeakings question to be that he was looking for visual cues when looking out of the cockpit to gauge his height. So as an example, if you know that the trees are 50 feet tall you have to be with 15 feet of the top to stay under radar. The hard part is not all the trees are the same so it does vary from object to object.

Baumer understands my question.

If one knows the height of the trees, then one has a visual (VFR) cue to one's altitude above the ground.

[Sincraft]

So why was this change made?  NOE missions are meant for an element of surprise.   They were fun to be involved in, and even more fun to thwart.  

I love a good battle.  Mixed.  Bomber missions, fighter sweeps with discipline, targeted attacks (ords, troops, vh etc) on bases, duels, and yes even the occasional ww1 adventure (when there are people on)

Apparently bases were being rolled too quickly after hours and this is possibly the reason for this change?  That's not going to change honestly, it's only going to slow it down a tad.

What has changed is, I can now spot a carriers exact location  This is immediately apparent, what else this affects will come to light soon too.  So , bye bye carriers, I just don't miss that often.  

I think Groundfeeder is right honestly, at least give folks a choice and watch the results accordingly.    People that just want to furball without regard to strategy should jump into the dueling arena.  If the game comes to that, then it's going to be PRETTY BORING.  I'll be sure to stay out of harms way and attack when the time is right if it comes down to that.  Ensuring the tactical advantage. 

Being out of this game for almost 9 months, I've noticed that it appears the subscriber base on nightly has gone down.  Can't blame that on economy all the way, usually entertainment booms during these times.  I think we need more interesting things to do rather than to limit the things we could do.  I really think we have enough planes for now.  We need more purpose in the game other than to just shoot sh**, I feel the game is turning arcade slowly.

Once upon a time, in a game long since dead.  The Devs catered to the whiners.   The lifers, ...the folks they considered the backbone of the game because they lived on the game.  They took pride in their linear solo skills and when a group of organized people came along and put a damper on that, they cried.  The devs nerfed the game to none existence.  

That's not your true customer base.  

[Sakoo]

...
Once upon a time, in a game long since dead.  The Devs catered to the whiners.   The lifers, ...the folks they considered the backbone of the game because they lived on the game.  They took pride in their linear solo skills and when a group of organized people came along and put a damper on that, they cried.  The devs nerfed the game to none existence.  

That's not your true customer base.  

Nail on head! This is such a danger. Often it seems that the ppl that care more about the game, over all, are the least vocal.

 

[Yeager]

there will always, and I mean ALWAYS, be people to replace you.  Always.....there's a head of a nail for you  

[groundfeeder]

there will always, and I mean ALWAYS, be people to replace you.  Always.....there's a head of a nail for you  

You think? people who have always been in the game , will ALWAYS be in the game. As for the new guys....well lets see how long it holds thier interest when all they do is get furballed to death and die at a rate that will please people such as yourself.

End result will be subscribership falloff and the end to your "career" CONSTANT FURBALLING IS NOT GOOD FOR THE GAME!

This simple change by HTC has changed the game in ways they still dont see, and replied to me as i said about the base defense portion, "so it worked".
Yes it worked.....You got your furballs. You took from the game.

I love this game. have from the first day i played it. I don't completly understand HTC"S reason behind it. I do however respect HTC's decision.for this I HTC and it's staff. But i don't have to like it.

I may get booted from the game for being a bit overzelous in my opinion of the change, but we tend to defend the thing we love.

We will see how this plays out, I could be wrong but i don't think so!............................. now, about ENY.......kidding

[Masherbrum]

HTC

1:Hitting the enemy where they ARE is a great advantage to the NOE! coming in low and hitting a swarm over a base had a great effect! the distraction it provided works with many different tactics in taking a base or rendering it inopperable. Seeing a huge increase in dar size just alerts the enemy to the incoming raid. Example: furball over an enemy airfield in an on going battle....Noe fighter sweep into said base.....deack and clear field area....town down ....base take. simple. If the dar shows a rapid rise the enemy knows your coming. the element of surprise is all but LOST in the game now. The Larger radar rings overlap so bad on some maps, they see you lifting of your runway. not everyone wants to spend the game dar darting. The enemy is ALWAYS there with the new settings,so there is no "hitting them where they ain't"

2: The reason the game is fun is the MANY aspects of combat available combat did involve the stratagy of the sneak attack and the ability to defend against it! Not all players are as adept to air combat as others but still like to fly and attack. Isnt that the reason you can score as attack or fighter?

3: This thread was never intended to be simply about killing towns and taking bases. is it part of that...yes... but if all you want is a versus AIR combat isnt that what the DA is for? The extended radar rings combined with the noe change HAS turned it into more of a furball, THAT gets boring.

4: If no one complained about it....Why change it?  The game has become EXACTLY that, 2 offenses playing against each other, just look! see the two streams of dots converging in the middle of two bases? Yep thats a big furball in the middle, it has always happened but now thats alll you see! You now have to types of radar, one you can control one you cant, the difference is now you dont have a choice before you could manipulate them to an advantage.

5: As far as defending....yes bases where lost and sometimes bases where rolled up...but cant tell me they couldnt see bases being taken? After a base or two would fall why did they not up a defense then? The opposing team did have time to react then.

6: again i ask ....if wasn't broke ....why fix it??

You wouldn't know "strategy" if it fell into your lap.   

[hitech]

Once upon a time, in a game long since dead.  The Devs catered to the whiners.   The lifers, ...the folks they considered the backbone of the game because they lived on the game.  They took pride in their linear solo skills and when a group of organized people came along and put a damper on that, they cried.  The devs nerfed the game to none existence.  

So your saying if I listen to you, you would cry that I nerfed the game to none existence?

HiTech

[SlapShot]

Once upon a time, in a game long since dead.  The Devs catered to the whiners.   The lifers, ...the folks they considered the backbone of the game because they lived on the game.  They took pride in their linear solo skills and when a group of organized people came along and put a damper on that, they cried.  The devs nerfed the game to none existence.

  ... what a load of bollocks.

[AWwrgwy]

You think? people who have always been in the game , will ALWAYS be in the game. As for the new guys....well lets see how long it holds thier interest when all they do is get furballed to death and die at a rate that will please people such as yourself.

End result will be subscribership falloff and the end to your "career" CONSTANT FURBALLING IS NOT GOOD FOR THE GAME!

This simple change by HTC has changed the game in ways they still dont see, and replied to me as i said about the base defense portion, "so it worked".
Yes it worked.....You got your furballs. You took from the game.

I love this game. have from the first day i played it. I don't completly understand HTC"S reason behind it. I do however respect HTC's decision.for this I HTC and it's staff. But i don't have to like it.

I may get booted from the game for being a bit overzelous in my opinion of the change, but we tend to defend the thing we love.

We will see how this plays out, I could be wrong but i don't think so!............................. now, about ENY.......kidding

What do you think new people coming into the game expect to do?  It is a MMOG, with real, live opponents.  Are they looking for a game where they can sneak around and avoid fighting all those other real, live opponents?

Theoretically, anyone coming into the game new, right now, will not know any better anyway.  If they're going to leave because they can't "hack it" why would they stay anyhow?

If someone is not willing to put some effort into learning and improving and making it a fun and enjoyable time then I wouldn't expect them to stay no matter how things are set up.

This just reminds me of one of those "everyone gets a trophy" threads.  Maybe it should just be easy mode for everyone all the time.

Doesn't that sound like fun?  


wrongway

[Yeager]

You think? people who have always been in the game , will ALWAYS be in the game. As for the new guys....well lets see how long it holds thier interest when all they do is get furballed to death and die at a rate that will please people such as yourself.

All I know is that, based on game IDs and casual knowledge of single user multiple accounts trends, turnover in this game is about 80% every three years.  I doubt if you will last three years.  If for no other reason than thats just the way it is

[groundfeeder]

All I know is that, based on game IDs and casual knowledge of single user multiple accounts trends, turnover in this game is about 80% every three years.  I doubt if you will last three years.  If for no other reason than that's just the way it is

Well sorry to disappoint +3 and i will continue to play...Still love the game just seems less of it. The primary reason I will continue to stick around is the interaction between players and the upgrading of the game( no last change was not an upgrade in my mind) if those things go south so shall I. Just because the life time members have been in here to the point of fossils doesn't mean no one has a voice, if that's the case, then I feel bad for your future, but i don't believe that's the case. Oh yeah and changing the rules of engagement...... Who does that remind you of?

[waystin2]

You think? people who have always been in the game , will ALWAYS be in the game. As for the new guys....well lets see how long it holds thier interest when all they do is get furballed to death and die at a rate that will please people such as yourself.

End result will be subscribership falloff and the end to your "career" CONSTANT FURBALLING IS NOT GOOD FOR THE GAME!

This simple change by HTC has changed the game in ways they still dont see, and replied to me as i said about the base defense portion, "so it worked".
Yes it worked.....You got your furballs. You took from the game.

I love this game. have from the first day i played it. I don't completly understand HTC"S reason behind it. I do however respect HTC's decision.for this I HTC and it's staff. But i don't have to like it.

I may get booted from the game for being a bit overzelous in my opinion of the change, but we tend to defend the thing we love.

We will see how this plays out, I could be wrong but i don't think so!............................. now, about ENY.......kidding

Hello Groundfeeder,

This change was not brought on by furballers, nor any other "group" in this game.  This change was put in place by HTC to facilitate more conflict, unfortunately NOE's are by nature avoiding conflict.  I know this as fact, as I have participated in NOE's enough over the last three years. Conflict has increased due to this change in my opinion.

It also has an impact on more than just the base-taking folks, it also impacts those who furball.  There is now no excuse to not up and defend a base.  Yes, even bases that are furballs.  Ample warning exists to defend against an attack. 

So I leave you with this:
Adjust tactics, embrace the thrill of a bunch red guys to shoot, and enjoy the war, as it can still be won.  Bases are still being taken, and NOE's are still being run.

 

Way

[Yeager]

Well sorry to disappoint +3 and i will continue to play...Still love the game just seems less of it. The primary reason I will continue to stick around is the interaction between players and the upgrading of the game( no last change was not an upgrade in my mind) if those things go south so shall I. Just because the life time members have been in here to the point of fossils doesn't mean no one has a voice, if that's the case, then I feel bad for your future, but i don't believe that's the case. Oh yeah and changing the rules of engagement...... Who does that remind you of?

10 years a fossil?

Well......you obviously know the score.  Off with your head! lol