Why i think this game is bad

[pdog_109]

The sounds are bad.
All engines sound the same, the only difference if between fighters and bombers.
The gun sounds are the same and don't sound real. Have you ever heard .50 fire in gun camera? Doesn't sound like that in AH.
The instrument panel is bad. Hi Tech copied the overall shape of the cockpit but has no regard for gauge placement and design.
The air action is like quake.
Bunch of fighters turning and turning all the time and thats it.
IL-2 will be better even tough i never played it, this is from following development and beta tester sayings.
People said how many people in MP in IL-2?
16 for dogfight and 32 for coop?
How many for AH? 100+?
When do you see more than 15 people in one place at one time? Thats the most i have ever seen. I have not and been playing for 5 days. Someone said 30 bombers at once.
I don't belive that, 30 bombers going to fly to a target. Yeah Right, didn't even show up on map and no body reported it.
Everybody flies the same planes. N1k, Spit, La7 and then F4u, some P-51 and P-47, less 109 and 190.
And all this for 30$ a month?
Hi Tech are not stupid. They want to make money and thats what they are doing.
Ok, 30 a month and how many players?
I have seen register numbers in the thousands so i'll say 5000 estimated members.
5000 x 30 a month is 150.000 a month is these guys income. Cost of development?
What cost? Fix this fix that release new version, add new plane, whoopy do.
Hi Tech = Hi Profits
The FM feels weird, like youyr in a UFO or something, its not like rl and i have flown a Cessna, but no warbirds. The basic princapls of flight still aply.
Online sims kind of suck. I can see the attraction tough, play with hundreds of other human players. But, no.
100 people in lobby but you only see not more than 20 at a time just like in a box sim. Maybe if everybody went to the same place at the same time but that would be slow.
IL-2 will make all sims obsolete.
And thats that.

Flame on  

[Servo]

"The FM feels weird, like youyr in a UFO or something"

Woah! You're right! It's JUST LIKE YOU'RE IN A UFO!

Troll.

Servo

[jihad]

Can't believe I read the whole post when you obviously DON'T know what your talking about.

IL-2 will be better even tough i never played it, this is from following development and beta tester sayings.

BZZZTTTTT!

Wrong answer, I'm a beta tester and I assure you HTC has NOTHING to worry about from IL-2.

It's pretty graphics and A.I. mixed with a few online players, <YAWN> if I wanted to battle A.I. I could play any number of boxed aircraft games with just as much enjoyment.

[pdog_109]

I would like an intelligent response.
And yours would be if you want an intelligent response, post an intelligent topic. Thats all you have to say to me?
Have you ever flown in a plane?
Compare it to AH fm and tell me.

Flame suit tested and ready  

[sling322]

Originally posted by pdog_109:
I would like an intelligent response.

Ya know I would really like to post an intelligent response....but the lack of an intelligent post prevents that.

You reap what you sow moron.  Make a post like this and prepare to be roasted.  You come here and say that these things are wrong because you feel[/i] that they are wrong.  As far as multiplayer, I have been around since Tour 6 or 7 or something like that and I have seen plenty of large bomber formations from time to time.  And I am sorry that we dont all fly what you want us too.  Please post a list of the planes you would like us to fly and how you want us to fly them and we will try to be more accomodating.  And if you would shut your trap long enough to quit whining and do a search on this BBS you can find a very nice user contributed sound pack that quite a few folks use and like.

But I guess that would be too hard, huh?  Its much easier to sit back after your 5 days in the game and just squeak about stuff.

Moron.

[Steven]

The gun sounds are the same and don't sound real. Have you ever heard .50 fire in gun camera? Doesn't sound like that in AH.
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Errr, WW2 fighter aircraft had microphones on their cameras?

We can always find fault with just about anything.  There are gives and takes and I think HTC has done a good job.

-Puke

[moose]

pdog,

How long have you actually flown Aces High in the arena?

I did not get anywhere near as much out of the game during my two week trial. Only months afterward can I say that the FM feels right for most all of the planes.

I am currently taking private lessons in a Cessna Skyhawk 172, and although the actual feeling of flight in real life can not be compared to a computer game, Aces High does feel as 'right' to me as any other sim. It's not WWIIF - you have to be careful and sensitive with how you jerk your stick.

On a side note, I am also a beta tester for IL-2 and while I enjoy the game immensely so far (this is about all I can say without violating my NDA) it's not in the same class as AH.

As for not seeing that many planes, you should try joining a mission put together by guys such as hblair, ripsnort, zigrat, or any of the Arabian Knights. When it's Assassin squad night, we usually have about 8-9 guys fly together in a mission and encounter many more. Even with 20 planes in the same area, it's a ton of fun.


Try flying more, you'll appreciate all the small details. It takes time.

edit - also, if you are dissatisfied with the sounds included with the game, there are plenty of add on packs that hard working pilots like flakbait, mitsu, etc etc (cant remember em all, sorry!) have put together. You can find the links on the HTC site.

[ 07-14-2001: Message edited by: moose ]

[pdog_109]

Thanks for the kind words moose and for not calling me a moron. 5 days flying like i said.
It seems name calling is a trademark for immaturity and stupidty. When Gunman26 shot me down he called me a moron when i said nothing to him or anybody. Nice guy.
Steve there was sound in gun camera. Camera's had sound recording ability in ww2 the same for gun camera. If you watched some documentaries, you would know.
I don't see whats so special about AH.
I wonder why nobody has commeneted on the profits and 30 a month? Hmm, maybe i was right for once and not a moron.

[Yeager]

pdog.  I dont care.

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[Rocket]

pdog,

 Profits.. sure you make a GAME to make some money.  But think about this.  Add in the price of the servers (notice multiple), the routers, the bandwidth to allow hundreds online at the same time and not be warpy or not be able to get in at all.   Figure the fact that for this money HiTech programs on updates and adding more features to keep Aces High the best of the best 5 days a week in the office and then goes home on the weekend and does it again for the fun of it and to keep the game improving.  The artists are working 5-7 days aweek improving the game with new planes/tanks/railroads/terrians/boats and going back and updating some of the older stuff as they get time.  Figure all the manhours(and womanhours) a month put in at HTC.  Pyro spends hours and hours researching and BUYING books, etc to come up with the best, most correct numbers for the flight model.  
  HiTech has hours in actual warbirds.  There are SEVERAL real warbird owners that play this game.  With a computer you will never get the REAL feel of flight.  But they do a damn good job of making it close and still being on the numbers performance wise.  Do they make mistakes? Of course but they work their tulips off to fix them.  

  HTC are not out to please everyone and yes they are out to make money with the GAME.  I like to go to work and make money myself  

  The community here is just friggin awesome.  Remember this tho they are very touchy when someone with no clue comes in and starts spouting off diahrrea of the mouth with no time spent in the game.  They are more than willing to discuss in a rational matter any point of the game with proof behind the arguement.  Bring some real world data and post it up for discussion on the flight models and what could be wrong with them but feel is objective from person to person.

Rocket

[mrfish]

its ok pdog a lot of people find this game too tough. there is no shame in moving on to something like cfs2. everyone understands - the point is you tried. good luck!

[sling322]

Originally posted by pdog_109:

I wonder why nobody has commeneted on the profits and 30 a month? Hmm, maybe i was right for once and not a moron.

Ah...so now the real truth comes out....if it was the price you were squeaking about, why didnt you just say so?  In my opinion, HTC provides a form of entertainment to me for $30 a month....and as far as I'm concerned, its worth every penny.

Any other questions?

[flakbait]

Originally posted by pdog_109:
The sounds are bad.
All engines sound the same, the only difference if between fighters and bombers.
The gun sounds are the same and don't sound real. Have you ever heard .50 fire in gun camera? Doesn't sound like that in AH.

I've got a sound pack with 376 sounds in it for every single aircraft/vehicle. Superfly, official 3D guru at HTC, uses my pack. Mitsu has various sounds you can swipe off his site that are great. One other guy [can't recall his name] did a buttload of sounds for AH that can still be had too.

 

The instrument panel is bad. Hi Tech copied the overall shape of the cockpit but has no regard for gauge placement and design.

Actually they do have regard for cockpit design. Most of the important guages are instantly visible with the default settings. And if you actually knew about F10, you could reset both the view keys and the views to what you wanted. A little tinkering never killed anyone....yet anyway.

 

The air action is like quake.
Bunch of fighters turning and turning all the time and thats it.

It can be at times. When I was in the main I found that I'd shoot down a huge variety of aircraft types. In H2H I've shot down every single aircraft type here, and I've blown up everything there is to blow up. At one time or another anyway.

 

IL-2 will be better even tough i never played it, this is from following development and beta tester sayings.
People said how many people in MP in IL-2?
16 for dogfight and 32 for coop?
How many for AH? 100+?
When do you see more than 15 people in one place at one time? Thats the most i have ever seen. I have not and been playing for 5 days.

I've seen 217 people logged in, and that was back just before 1.05 was released. This is 1.07 with 1.08 being worked on right now. Days [US time] are the largest crowd draws in AH. If you fly at 3am US time you'll see maybe 30 or 40 people in, usually guys from Australia or Japan.

 

Someone said 30 bombers at once.
I don't belive that, 30 bombers going to fly to a target. Yeah Right, didn't even show up on map and no body reported it.

Seen 10 B-17's flying in formation to a target and I attacked it with two other guys. Results? 6 B-17's downed and all three of us spiraling in to the dirt. I had a load of fun doing that! Recently people have said they've seen groups of 3 to 10 Lancasters, B-17's, Ju-88s, and B-26's going to various targets.

 

Everybody flies the same planes. N1k, Spit, La7 and then F4u, some P-51 and P-47, less 109 and 190.

Well if you flew around more, and actually went towards the big red bar, you'd see all kinds of aircraft being used.

 

And all this for 30$ a month?
Hi Tech are not stupid. They want to make money and thats what they are doing.
Ok, 30 a month and how many players?
I have seen register numbers in the thousands so i'll say 5000 estimated members.
5000 x 30 a month is 150.000 a month is these guys income. Cost of development?
What cost? Fix this fix that release new version, add new plane, whoopy do.
Hi Tech = Hi Profits

Actually the high price keeps the annoying rabble out, or at least most of 'em. Reading the bandwidth bills for HTC would probably make me faint. Plus they have to pay Skuzzy off for all the doughnut runs and such.

 

The FM feels weird, like youyr in a UFO or something, its not like rl and i have flown a Cessna, but no warbirds. The basic princapls of flight still aply.

Warbirds [the game] has such a screwed up FM it ain't funny. I'd advise giving it a shot, but if you can't turn an Fw-190 around inside three grid squares blame iEN.

 

Online sims kind of suck. I can see the attraction tough, play with hundreds of other human players. But, no.
100 people in lobby but you only see not more than 20 at a time just like in a box sim. Maybe if everybody went to the same place at the same time but that would be slow.
IL-2 will make all sims obsolete.
And thats that.

Flame on    

Again it depends on the hours you fly. If you're in Europe you probably won't catch many people until the sun comes up in the US. Pacific person? Same thing. US hours are the times you see monster crowds in the MA, and at least a half dozen in the other arenas. IL-2 is vaporware until I see the box on the shelf, so that's out. Plus you say you haven't seen it, just read what BETA testers have said. Therefor you're in no position to lay any claims as to what IL-2 can or can't do.


I've been here since BETA and I don't plan on leaving unless I have to. Online flight sims are what you make them. If you're the type of person who wants everything done for you, then leave. This game requires you to think on the fly, tinker with settings, and generally mess with it to get the best experience. I'd have to say AH just doesn't fit you. Adios.


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Flakbait [Delta6]
Delta Six's Flight School
Put the P-61B in Aces High
"For yay did the sky darken, and split open and spew forth fire, and
through the smoke rode the Four Wurgers of the Apocalypse.
And on their canopies was tattooed the number of the Beast, and the
number was 190." Jedi, Verse Five, Capter Two, The Book of Dweeb
 

[pdog_109]

I think your right flakbait i'll try it until trail runs out but i don't think its for me. Its not that its too tough fish i just don't think i like it. Maybe something is wrong with me? Yeah.
Contrary to my name (109) i fly the 205.
Find a af that has lots of action (red bar)
Go to af near it and climb in that direction.
Get there at 10000 feet and dive on somebody.
Extend very nice and there is a N1K following me up when i just did textbook classic BnZ and this guy still following me.
Try with P-47/190 same results that N1K is a super plane and most people fly it.

[Kingonads]

Pdog,
 Have U ever fired a .50 cal or a 20mm I dont think so.  A .50cal sounds simaler to what they have in AH now as for the FM beeing UFO ish fly a Typhoon its nothing near a UFO I should know. <JK> But the FM is pretty good and better than most flight sims online I have seen in a long time.  So how can U judge a game on a nother game that U have never played?  I agree the game leave much to be desired but its the best we have and the best I am willing to play for now.

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