Author Topic: Where has the AH Luftwaffe gone?  (Read 5162 times)

Offline AKSWulfe

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« Reply #75 on: July 18, 2001, 10:07:00 AM »
You called me out Pongo... on what I have no idea because it doesn't make any sense to me.

Nor does any of it bear any bit of truth.

The reason those guys left is a simple and obvious reason. They stopped having fun in this game.

I've seen countless people that LOVE Allied aircraft LEAVE because they simply stopped having fun.

There's nothing new here, the only thing that is new is that because we call them LuftWhiners everyone believes that's the reason for them leaving.

Maybe this whole elitist crap that these supposed die hard "LW" vets harbor is the reason for many people's dislike of vocal "LW" types? Or it could be the repitition. There's an error in the 190/109, I have no proof, I have no idea, something's wrong, it must be fixed!!! To that I reply: 'Give me proof or something' To which they reply: 'I just feel somethings wrong'

Well we all know how I *HATE* that people say *FEEL* when it comes to a piece of software. I want data, I want proof. Until then it's just an unsubstantiated whine.

Repeating the same thing over and over and over until I can no longer stand to see those people's handles is NO way to get people on your side.

It's easy to alienate people, and those select "LW" did it all themselves.
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« Reply #76 on: July 18, 2001, 10:15:00 AM »
I don't know Pongo, a lot of the flyers from the allied side of the rumble fly predominantly LW in the MA (some bastards are LW only flyers, pretty much all fly some LW).  The problem is from the start there was a group that loudly complained constantly, and happened to be LW flyers.  As self proclaimed "true LW flyers", this is the group that has made it somewhat of a taboo.

Certainly they're not the only loud, obnoxious, chalkboard-grating quality irritants, but add on to that being a core LW group it makes the natural reaction everytime you hear LW to roll your eyes and leave.  There are plenty of others who fit that category (channel 1 n1k whiners, for instance), except that you don't have the identifying group factor.  You'll have a p38 guy, then a spit guy, then a VVS, etc.

So yes, there is a built in bias with a lot of us, but it's a reactionary bias based on 20 months of dribble, hammered in by self-proclaimed LW leaders.  How to fix it?  If you fly LW, don't whine.  The world is not out to nerf the LW planes, it's just very tired of the LW "leaders".

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« Reply #77 on: July 18, 2001, 10:30:00 AM »
Took me a while to read all these posts.......and all I can think of to say is that while the"old" LW contingent may have bugged out, their are still a lot of superb LW sticks out there.
Hblair has always made it clear that he loves the 109, and by God, the guy is damn good in it.  Fortunately, he is one of the most level-headed guys I've known in AH, and he is likely just shrugging his shoulders at GRUNHERZ's insinuation and Hristo's blunt comment regarding the Rumble that no capable LW pilots remain.  GRUNHERZ, next time ya get in the MA, look up hb and go to the DA........you will find that he is a more then competent 109 stick.
Others come to mind.......last night I watched Regurge take a Dora and drag 6-7 guys all around their own base, eventually killing 5 of them before I managed to come in and get a lucky kill on him.....he had to have been outta fuel, or outta ammo, cause he was on a roll!
As to my opinion on the "exodus" of the old guard LW cadre, RL called and they had to take care of things there first....have had to do that myself from time to time.  Some of the posts when they left, however, led me to believe that they had this perception that all LW planes should just wipe the virtual skies of any Allied plane that dared to face them.  This is a misconception of history, and of reality.  Germany was not the technological leader of the world back in the Second World War.  They were ahead in some areas, true, but they lagged far behind in others.  All in all, the Axis and Allies, in RL, were pretty much even on the techno side........if not, the Unites States would never have been able to hop the Atlantic to fight in Europe and Africa, 'cause it would have been suicide to attempt to do so.  Britain would have fallen, been conquered along with western Europe, and the Soviet Union would have been overrun and capitulated instead of fighting back from the dark ages and pushing the Germans back to Berlin.  
In closing, Hornet, Hangtime, and others may not have provided the responses you wanted.  I will not either.......you seem to want to know what to do about the (to you) absence of capable/competent LW pilots in AH?  First, open your eyes:  I have already mentioned names of superb pilots who can be found at the helm of LW planes.  The others may have been more fanatical about flying only LW planes, but that does not make them more dangerous than our remaining LW contingent.
Second:  Instead of looking to the past and lamenting on what you consider to be an exodus and spewing forth comments of doom for the LW, compliment the guys still here in AH hammering out the kills in 109/190 rides.  The guys who left did so for whatever reason, and that is not important.  What is important is the guys who stayed and share common interests with you.  Quit slapping them in the face with the "LW was much better when (insert game ID) was still here" comments.

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« Reply #78 on: July 18, 2001, 10:59:00 AM »
One of the best explanations of the LW aircraft came from Hristo himself. They are hunters, not fighters. It is my belief that some got so wrapped up in the legend of these planes, they deemed it infalable. That proved not to be the case.

I am an advocate of "the pilot, not the plane". To me, one of the easiest planes to kill is an improperly flown LW aircraft. I specifically hunt for em. On the other hand, one flown as it should be is an enormous threat. It doesn't take long to tell what kind of pilot you are against in an LW aircraft. For example, this tour I am 12/1 against all 109's. 7 of them were G10's. You will rarely see me fighting above 10k. Tell you something?

My point? The LW flyers are still here and of course there are some excellent ones. Some that have left have gone to find that elusive super LW plane of lore. Once they take a good look at themselves they will discover they had it all along.

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« Reply #79 on: July 18, 2001, 11:10:00 AM »
::raises hand::

My name is moose. I've been a luftwobble since Tour 8. I don't think I have a problem but my friends and family do and they forced me to come here.
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« Reply #80 on: July 18, 2001, 11:17:00 AM »
Kweassa, people such as you and Bluedog and St. Santa are the anti thesis of the LW clique and all they stand for. You fly your game, with passion and abandon, and blame no one but your self for your failures.

The fact is (and this may be blasphemy to some) that there is not a single correctly modelled plane or vehicle in AH. Ask HTC if they're happy, and have no intentions of further upgrades or releases. However, do we hear of an anti Japanese conspiracy? Do Spit pilots pilory HTC with accounts of inaccuracies? Have you ever heard an Italian accuse HTC, the Arena and all who disagree that a 205 should out turn and out dive a Spit as "out to get them"? *That* is the difference. Does Tac continualy post in drool stained caps wailing about the P38's inconsistencies and claim all who shoot him down would never be able to if only HTC would stop being the FDB's squeak?

I think not.

There *are* issues with the software, some more glaring than others. Nonetheless, has anybody else made a better game?

Part of the romance of the LW is a twisted notion of honour. Honour, which in my book would include strutting away from AH to WWIIOL to see if it has what they consider missing, and then HONURABLY COMING BACK AND SAYING "WELL F*ØCK ME, I'M BACK 'COS NO ONE DOES IT BETTER".

Both Galland and Rall admitted their mistakes, because they were men of honour, not idealogues miles from the front. The virtual LW can learn from the example.

Zip, you're so right about us all being dweeby role players. That's how it should be. Take a look here, you'll find a text Hitech could probably quote verbatim:
 http://www.musketeers.org/NICEGUY/Scavenger/scav-lit.html

There IS a large and healthy contingent of AH fliers using German planes. Some band in to squads. Some squads take an historical root.

Some of the historicaly minded take it back to 1928, and walk around muttering about being "stabbed in the back", and of dark forces under the surface of the community "out to get them".

They need help.

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« Reply #81 on: July 18, 2001, 11:21:00 AM »
cc Moose, I have 250 kills in LW iron in just the last 2 1/2 tours alone.

No need to raise hands, just enjoying the HTC additions of the likes of the Dora, and still really dig the A8.

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« Reply #82 on: July 18, 2001, 11:52:00 AM »
Amen Seeker! Very well said and kudos for finding Scavs well written peice. Pile o'dog pooh on another topic would do well to read it as an example on how to write a tale.

 Westy

(and special nod to the 1928 reference. THAT was a bullseye)

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« Reply #83 on: July 18, 2001, 12:07:00 PM »
hehe...Pongo, maybe you should sober up before posting.  So, just to summarize what I got out of your post.

Point 1. The LW pilots who left did so not because they didn't like AH or an aspect of AH, but because of evil people such as Creamo, Swulfe & Hangtime to made them feel unwelcome.

Point 2. People such as the three you mentioned (and surely others who you didn't mention) actually hate LW pilots intensely.

Point 3. During one of RAM's many outbursts and subsequent flaming by others, some of these others (the evil three included) made it clear that they didn't like him and that they didn't like him because he chose to fly LW planes.  Perhaps one could summarize from this that the entire problem you describe stems directly from RAM.  Thanks a lot RAM!   :p

My you LuftWaffles are funny!   :D


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« Reply #84 on: July 18, 2001, 12:10:00 PM »
To answer the question that is the title of this thread........To Argentina, of course!

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« Reply #85 on: July 18, 2001, 12:12:00 PM »
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Originally posted by SWulfe:
Well we all know how I *HATE* that people say *FEEL* when it comes to a piece of software.

Which explains why you ran away the other night at the bar when that attractive woman said she wanted to go back to your place to *feel* your johnson.  Fairy!   :p


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« Reply #86 on: July 18, 2001, 12:23:00 PM »
SOB, I ran away because she duped me into going back to her place. After she got my pants off and was reaching for my member, you popped out of the closet in all your lard bellybutton glory and scared the crap outta me.

THAT's why I bolted out the door in my birthday suit.
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« Reply #87 on: July 18, 2001, 12:32:00 PM »
LOL!  But why'd ya run strait to Deja's house?


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« Reply #88 on: July 18, 2001, 12:34:00 PM »
The point you evidently missed is that the above mentioned people use the same issues they had with Ram and apply them daily to a whole group of people. Those are the people that this thread is supposed to be discussing.
They constantly(in the case of creamo and sw and others) attribute the behavior of ram to this whole group. No matter the player that raises an issue or even raises thier heads they are painted with the same brush.

They act with intense hatred towards a whole group of people without knowing or caring who might associate them self with that group. It is only identified as LW.
That hatred is an accepted part of our community.
Sorry to break that to you if it makes anyone uncomforable

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« Reply #89 on: July 18, 2001, 12:36:00 PM »
Because I saw that big white whale bouncing around behind me, which I knew was you. I knew that you and DJ had a thing for eachother, so I assumed it was the safest place. While you two were busy trying on Santa's new wardrobe of leather thongs, daisy dukes and other assorted edible clothing, I ran out the back and escaped to safety and freedom.

I went back to that potato that tricked me though, tied her up and proceeded to pound a sheep on her bed.

Then I let the sheep have it's way with her, sweet baby jebus was it the most horrifying, yet erotic and stimulating, event that I have ever witnessed.

Shortly thereafter we had a three way orgy and shaved the sheep.
-SW