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Re: Su-27 The Best Fighter In The World
« Reply #15 on: May 10, 2012, 10:13:21 AM »
I'd say Hindustan Aeronautics builds the best Sukhois. French and Israeli avionics. Israeli Elbit Su 967 bi-cubic phase conjugated holographic head-up display and seven LCD multifunction displays. Israeli LITENING targeting pod. Elta EL/M-8222 ECM-system developed by Israeli Aircraft Industries, which the Israeli Air Force uses on its F-15s.
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Re: Su-27 The Best Fighter In The World
« Reply #16 on: May 10, 2012, 11:15:47 AM »
Your kidding right? Russian jet engines are notorious POS's and the Chinese ones are even worse. So bad they mostly have to buy from the Russians. The advantage of high tech airframes, avionics, weapons, training, in a modern day air war is so overwhelming there would be no "long term conflict" with anyone we might go to war with. None of your post makes any sense. American fighters are far, far easier to keep in the air to anything made in Russia. I thought we got past this kinda nonsense 20-30 years ago.

Your comparing Russian replenishment and maintanance with American? Are you mad?

http://russiatrek.org/blog/army/abandoned-russian-airbase-photos/

Russian Equipment is top notch alright, here's a Russian airbase practically abandoned and ignored, I've read stories of Su-25 Pilots refusing to fly due to the aircraft not being Maintenanced for years, also fact the Russians did not pay the pilots - they had to wait months to get pay.

Here's some info:
The Air Force continues to suffer from a lack of resources for pilot training. In the 1990s Russian pilots achieved approximately 10% of the flight hours of the United States Air Force. The 2007 edition of the IISS Military Balance listed pilots of tactical aviation flying 20–25 hours a year, 61st Air Army pilots (former Military Transport Aviation), 60 hours a year, and Army Aviation under VVS control 55 hours a year.[9]

In February 2009, the Russian newspaper Kommersant reported that 200 of the 291 MiG-29s currently in service across all Russian air arms were unsafe and would have to be permanently grounded.[19] This action would remove from service about a third of Russia's total fighter force, some 650 aircraft.

The list goes on and on, the Su-27 might be a WOO design, however I would not want to be flying one in Russia right now.
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Re: Su-27 The Best Fighter In The World
« Reply #17 on: May 10, 2012, 11:36:15 AM »
http://russiatrek.org/blog/army/abandoned-russian-airbase-photos/

Russian Equipment is top notch alright, here's a Russian airbase practically abandoned and ignored, I've read stories of Su-25 Pilots refusing to fly due to the aircraft not being Maintenanced for years, also fact the Russians did not pay the pilots - they had to wait months to get pay.

Here's some info:
The Air Force continues to suffer from a lack of resources for pilot training. In the 1990s Russian pilots achieved approximately 10% of the flight hours of the United States Air Force. The 2007 edition of the IISS Military Balance listed pilots of tactical aviation flying 20–25 hours a year, 61st Air Army pilots (former Military Transport Aviation), 60 hours a year, and Army Aviation under VVS control 55 hours a year.[9]

In February 2009, the Russian newspaper Kommersant reported that 200 of the 291 MiG-29s currently in service across all Russian air arms were unsafe and would have to be permanently grounded.[19] This action would remove from service about a third of Russia's total fighter force, some 650 aircraft.

The list goes on and on, the Su-27 might be a WOO design, however I would not want to be flying one in Russia right now.

So all the Russian air force pilots in the world are basically dweebs and noobs?  If we went to war would they cry 'amace pilots' on channel 200?

Actually I just wanted to point out the plane, not those who fly it.  But now I'm curious as to how well the USAF / RAF could implement it.
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Re: Su-27 The Best Fighter In The World
« Reply #18 on: May 10, 2012, 11:56:00 AM »
So all the Russian air force pilots in the world are basically dweebs and noobs?  If we went to war would they cry 'amace pilots' on channel 200?

Actually I just wanted to point out the plane, not those who fly it.  But now I'm curious as to how well the USAF / RAF could implement it.

Word is the US has a few they bought from a third world country to keep them out of others hands. No info on if they have been flown or not.
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Re: Su-27 The Best Fighter In The World
« Reply #19 on: May 10, 2012, 11:58:30 AM »
I'd take the United States top notch training and state of the art equipment over the horde that is Russia any day of the week. I sleep well at night knowing the best pilots in the world are ready to deploy at a second's notice to neutralize any threat.

Even if the US pilots do get swarmed, it would be like in the movie Independence Day. Anyone with flight experience would be summoned to fly F-18s. That's the next logical step from single-engine light aircraft anyway, right? I mean...it was in the movies.
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Re: Su-27 The Best Fighter In The World
« Reply #21 on: May 10, 2012, 12:03:09 PM »
Does it really look like a frigin' airbase?

No, it looks like a playground. Ahh...to have cool stuff like that in my back yard.
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Re: Su-27 The Best Fighter In The World
« Reply #22 on: May 10, 2012, 12:11:52 PM »
No, it looks like a playground. Ahh...to have cool stuff like that in my back yard.
Amount disinformation is unbelievable on both sides. They show footage of wall street protesters and explain that every one of them is homeless,  here I'm looking at what is clearly  military equipment graveyard  and reading description "abandoned airbase". Awesome, back to cold war propaganda.
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Re: Su-27 The Best Fighter In The World
« Reply #23 on: May 10, 2012, 12:14:51 PM »
It looks just like the one they found on Top Gear :)
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Re: Su-27 The Best Fighter In The World
« Reply #24 on: May 10, 2012, 12:38:58 PM »
Amount disinformation is unbelievable on both sides. They show footage of wall street protesters and explain that every one of them is homeless,  here I'm looking at what is clearly  military equipment graveyard  and reading description "abandoned airbase". Awesome, back to cold war propaganda.

Oh I agree with you. I was just being sarcastic.
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Re: Su-27 The Best Fighter In The World
« Reply #25 on: May 10, 2012, 12:53:53 PM »
Your kidding right? Russian jet engines are notorious POS's and the Chinese ones are even worse. So bad they mostly have to buy from the Russians. The advantage of high tech airframes, avionics, weapons, training, in a modern day air war is so overwhelming there would be no "long term conflict" with anyone we might go to war with. None of your post makes any sense. American fighters are far, far easier to keep in the air to anything made in Russia. I thought we got past this kinda nonsense 20-30 years ago.

Your comparing Russian replenishment and maintanance with American? Are you mad?


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Re: Su-27 The Best Fighter In The World
« Reply #26 on: May 10, 2012, 01:00:20 PM »
"Abandoned" NATO Planes.

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Re: Su-27 The Best Fighter In The World
« Reply #28 on: May 10, 2012, 02:07:14 PM »

Su-27 The Best Looking Modern Fighter In The World :)

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Re: Su-27 The Best Fighter In The World
« Reply #29 on: May 10, 2012, 02:14:53 PM »
Su-27 The Best Looking Modern Fighter In The World :)

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