Make this table STOP BEATING MY HEAD ...Win7, CH controllers

[TEShaw]

New Win7 system.

Windows freezes and won't load when my CH Products controllers are plugged into the generic USB 2.0 ports.

Otherwise, the new system boots fine.

Help!

regards, T. E. Shaw

[Bizman]

I'm not quite sure if I understand what you mean by Windows freezing and not loading. Are you saying you can't get to Windows at all, or sometimes can but it freezes? Or that a perfectly running Windows freezes when you  connect your CH gear?

If it's the first one, go to your bios settings and disable USB booting. It may be that your system tries to find an operating system from your CH controllers.

[TEShaw]

Interesting thought, Biz.

Windows won't load when my CH controllers are plugged in at start.

The CH Controllers work fine if plugged in after successful Windows start.

I'll have to mention this to the guys who sold me this computer.

Diddling in Bios is just horrifying to me.

Salute.

Thanks.

T. E. Shaw

[guncrasher]

for ch you need a self-powered usb controller.  you plug it into the pc directly and you will have more problems than necessary.


semp

[Bizman]

Diddling in Bios is just horrifying to me.

In this particular case it shouldn't be too frightening. There's a section named Boot, just disable or move down the USB boot option. Probably it's now the first.

[Skuzzy]

for ch you need a self-powered usb controller.  you plug it into the pc directly and you will have more problems than necessary.


semp

Absolutely true.  You cannot run CH gear, reliably, if you do not use an externally powered USB hub.

[TEShaw]

What?

As of now, my CH gear is plugged directly into the new computer machine. When I turn that machine on, Windows freezes on loading.  Without the gear the computer boots fine.

Once the machine boots, I can plug in the CH gear and all works ok... the issue now being having to calibrate in Windows and AH every time I you know...

My CH gear works fine on my older Win7 machine, plugged directly into the mother board.  -or whatever you call it

You're saying I should un-plug the CH gear from the new problematic machine and use an external powered USB hub? 

I can't believe that's what you're telling me.

That's why you guys are the computer experts and I only believe in poetry.

What?

Thanks for your attention.

help.

regards, teshaw

[Bizman]

TEShaw, you can test your boot options easily with a USB memory stick plugged in but without your CH gear. If your computer refuses to boot with the USB stick, it's a bios setting. Not a fool proof test, you never know what kind of clever mumbo jumbo they have coded into the bios, but it may give you some directions to follow.

As for the powered USB hub, it's simply a question of amperes. CH gear is known to draw more than the USB port can supply. A powered hub usually doubles the available amperage per port.

[TEShaw]

Wowsville.

The wireless mouse and keyboard always work fine on the new machine with their USB radio thing.  So that's not the problem, sir.

The machine boots fine with that.

I don't even know what to ask at this point.

[Wiley]

Wowsville.

The wireless mouse and keyboard always work fine on the new machine with their USB radio thing.  So that's not the problem, sir.

The machine boots fine with that.

I don't even know what to ask at this point.

The bolded part above may not necessarily be true.  BIOS might see the keyboard/mouse just fine, but get confused by the CH gear.  If it were me, I'd still check into it to at least eliminate the possibility.  I've heard of much stranger things happening.

Wiley.

[Bizman]

Umm... even though being USB gear, the mouse and keyboard are quite low level generic input devices recognized very early in the boot process. They have basic drivers coded into the bios. USB sticks on the other hand are actually hard discs which have the potential to contain an operating system. I don't know, I'm just guessing that there might be some microchip within your CH gear that makes your bios consider one of them as a USB hard drive.

Actually, if that were the case, you should get an error message saying something like "No operating system found. Insert a system disk and reboot".

[TEShaw]

See? 

Even bizman is befuddled by this one.

I don't know.

[Skuzzy]

I am pretty sure he is not befuddled.  We never use CH gear without an externally powered USB hub.  Why?  Because it will not work reliably without it, for most computers.

It may, or may not fix your problem, but it will not hurt to have it either.

[Bizman]

See? 

Even bizman is befuddled by this one.

I don't know.

I often am befuddled, but usually I keep silent in those cases to keep up an illusion of being a guru.

[TequilaChaser]

I am pretty sure he is not befuddled.  We never use CH gear without an externally powered USB hub.  Why?  Because it will not work reliably without it, for most computers.

It may, or may not fix your problem, but it will not hurt to have it either.

Thank You for posting the above, Skuzzy!

I use USB CH Fighter Stick, USB CH Pro Throttle and CH Gameport Rudder Pedals with a gameport to USB adaptor................ and I have never used a USB Hub or Powered USB Hub, and I have yet to have a single problem plugging my USB CH Controllers into any system since Win98se USB through Windows 8.1 PRO ( Although most all my machines currently boot up to Win 7 Ult 64 bit )

I do not dispel that using a USB Power Hub will not be beneficial, like Skuzzy posted "Why?  Because it will not work reliably without it, for most computers."

I have always figured that certain Motherboards ( Higher End MB's) & PSU's have better components than the rest, is the reason I have never had the need to use a powered USB hub


TC