Make this table STOP BEATING MY HEAD ...Win7, CH controllers

[Drano]

My thanks to everyone who has tried to help here.

I haven't attempted any changes to the system just because I'm such a novice and when it fails to boot, I'm horrified.

Now I understand that changing the bios boot order may solve this issue; on the other hand, the only way I have to reload Win7 (if I ever needed to) would be through an external USB DVD player/burner... so there's that...

Don't do that! Reloading windows will likely not solve this problem!




One thing I'm not understanding is calling for the USB hub to power the CH gear.  Are you saying that if the CH stuff was powered externally, then  the machine 'would like it' and boot properly?

Uhh... Maybe. They're funny like that. Worth a try don't you think?



Just to be clear, once the machine does boot, I can plug in the gear and it works just fine.

Got it. That's why I don't think it's the hub thing. Indication of that would be weirdness with the controllers like the PC losing track of them or calibration being lost WHILE it's running. You're not getting to there.



Yeah, I've only been plugging them into the generic 2.0 ports.

Like I said - - try different ports. You may be using the one the mobo would try to boot from and when it doesn't see what it wants to see stuck in that port, like a bootable thumb drive, it hangs up. When mine does it I get a black screen with a flashing cursor. Does your mobo have a digital led indicator on it? If so what letter/number does it show? Look in the mobo manual and see what that error corresponds to.




I'll try the USB hub and a 3.0 port.

USB 3 might give you a problem too as they're USB 2 devices.

Thanks again.

Glad to help. Hope you get it sorted out.

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[Skuzzy]

It could also be the mouse/keyboard are not registering at power up time, due to the CH gear causing the USB controller to brown-out.

There are motherboards which will simply not boot without a keyboard.  Easy to try.  Unplug the keyboard and mouse and see if what happens when you power it up.

Then again, if it is a brown-out situation, that could cause the BIOS ISR (interupt/polling service routine) for the USB controllers to hang.

There is a way but it takes some time. Open Device Manager, Universal Serial Bus controllers. For each Root hub look at the Power tab. It will tell what is plugged into that hub, how many ports go to that hub and how much power the plugged devices nominally use. That's the only way I know of to ensure there's only one device connected to each hub.

Good point Bizman.

[Mar]

To put Skuzzy's remarks another way, it is possible the CH controllers are pulling too much power and not leaving enough left for the keyboard to be detected by the motherboard, and like he said some motherboards won't start without a keyboard connected. Try starting the computer without the CH controllers, keyboard, and mouse plugged in.

The rest of what he said is just more computer magic that should be solved by a powered hub.

[Bizman]

One thing with USB hubs is that instead of having to unplug every CH device before booting, there'll only be one. That'd save more time during boot than an SSD 

[TEShaw]

A Solution!

I got a call from the builders, CPU Solutions (whom I am liking more and more).

Mr. Tim took me into the bios and disabled 'xHCI Hand off' under USB Configuration.

...whatever that is...

So it has booted 4 out 5 times with the CH gear plugged into the 2.0 USB ports.

Thanks again to all of you for your help!

regards,

Airman T. E. Shaw

[Drano]

Awesome! Knew it had to be something in that section.

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[Mar]

Fascinating. Thanks for telling us.

[Skuzzy]

Glad you sort of got it sorted out.  4 out of 5 times....hmmmm.

[Mar]

4 out of 5 times....hmmmm.

Yeah...

Reading a little, apparently disabling xHCI handoff disables the USB 3.0 ports. And that fixed it? Huh...

[ImADot]

I'madot, I hear you.

But does that mean you have to recalibrate in Windows and in the game every time?

Nope. I just plug the hub in, Windows sees my gear, and I'm ready to go. I keep the hub powered on all the time, so my CH gear is always on but not always connected.

[hgtonyvi]

TEshaw I might have to do the same thing. I recently had the problem also. Windows will not boot with my Ch gears plugged in. I never had to problem before and its making my head hurts because this is a brand new computer I have. I will have to call the manufacture to walk me through the problem.

[hgtonyvi]

OOOO thank god I got it fixed. I did not need to call the manufacturer. It had to do something with windows 10. I guess something with the Operating System (OS). So windows 10 had an update and it fixed all the issues that was causing the OS not to boot up. Like I said I recently got this computer and it came with windows 10. So now I can keep my controllers plugged in when I shut the computer off. Also I use the USB 3.0 ports for my CH controllers and the other USB which I think is 2.0 for keyboard, mouse and headsets.....So I Don't think I need a powered USB External Port. Glad the problem is fixed and windows is running as smooth as ever.

[guncrasher]

A Solution!

I got a call from the builders, CPU Solutions (whom I am liking more and more).

Mr. Tim took me into the bios and disabled 'xHCI Hand off' under USB Configuration.

...whatever that is...

So it has booted 4 out 5 times with the CH gear plugged into the 2.0 USB ports.

Thanks again to all of you for your help!

regards,

Airman T. E. Shaw

it's not fixed.  it's only booting 80% of the time.  if it was fixed it would be 100%.


semp

[Condor]

Absolutely true.  You cannot run CH gear, reliably, if you do not use an externally powered USB hub.

Guess I'm Lucky. I've been running CH gear for years plugged directly into the USB ports on my computer. Do you mean they won't work on an external USB hub that's doesn't have it's own power supply. That I can confirm from use of my old XP machine that didn't have enough ports. I've never had to unplug CH gear to get computer to boot.

[guncrasher]

Guess I'm Lucky. I've been running CH gear for years plugged directly into the USB ports on my computer. Do you mean they won't work on an external USB hub that's doesn't have it's own power supply. That I can confirm from use of my old XP machine that didn't have enough ports. I've never had to unplug CH gear to get computer to boot.

2 faster computer that I had says you got lucky.  I have come to understand that when when skuzzy say's reliable it doesnt exactly mean just because it does run on your system, that it does mean you run reliable.


semp