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Offline Ack-Ack

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Re: Make this table STOP BEATING MY HEAD ...Win7, CH controllers
« Reply #30 on: March 22, 2016, 07:20:05 PM »
Quote from: Mar on March 22, 2016, 06:39:01 PM
and changing a setting in the BIOS is cheaper than buying a hub and finding out it did nothing.

Yep, and that sounds like what the issue is.  An external, powered USB hub will only help if the controllers are not getting enough power from the onboard USB ports on the computer, not if the computer won't boot up with a USB device connected.
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Re: Make this table STOP BEATING MY HEAD ...Win7, CH controllers
« Reply #31 on: March 22, 2016, 07:35:23 PM »
This new machine has a 1000 W power supply.

Controllers work fine when installed after a boot up.

And... I just don't understand skuzzy's notes on this.
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Re: Make this table STOP BEATING MY HEAD ...Win7, CH controllers
« Reply #32 on: March 22, 2016, 07:58:59 PM »
all controllers use power. the controllors and all appliances hooked up to your mobo were drawing more power than what your mobo could provide.  something that was needed in your system wasnt drawing enough power causing windows to not boot. but when you removed your ch controlers they could.  that was the main hint.

something like that.

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Re: Make this table STOP BEATING MY HEAD ...Win7, CH controllers
« Reply #33 on: March 22, 2016, 08:02:00 PM »
What?
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Re: Make this table STOP BEATING MY HEAD ...Win7, CH controllers
« Reply #34 on: March 22, 2016, 08:33:32 PM »
Check your pm inbox, TE

Post your motherboard brand and model number here if you can

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Re: Make this table STOP BEATING MY HEAD ...Win7, CH controllers
« Reply #35 on: March 22, 2016, 09:04:47 PM »
Seriously?

You've been posting here for ten hours and haven't even tried to plug in one of the two USB powered hubs that you already have nor have you looked at the BIOS to see if it's a setting issue.  It would appear that you really aren't that interested in fixing the issue.
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Re: Make this table STOP BEATING MY HEAD ...Win7, CH controllers
« Reply #36 on: March 22, 2016, 10:28:14 PM »
Y'all shouldn't be so harsh....

TE has been trying to figure out what the problem is

His newly built computer has an ASUS X99 motherboard in it....

I explained to him that it's bios is easy to control via using his mouse and that he would most likely have to switch it from the "easy/basic/simple" screen/bios setting to the "advanced" setting, to be able to gain visual access to all the tweaking settings....

I'm close to falling asleep.... and haven't heard back from him.... hopefully he'll post back in this  thread.... I asked him to not get upset and to overlook/ignore any posts he might find insulting, more or less....

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Re: Make this table STOP BEATING MY HEAD ...Win7, CH controllers
« Reply #37 on: March 22, 2016, 10:32:38 PM »
Quote from: TequilaChaser on March 22, 2016, 10:28:14 PM
His newly built computer has an ASUS X99 motherboard in it....

I have a Gigabyte X99 motherboard, a powered USB hub, and the exact same issue. I just unplug the cable from the hub when I'm done, and plug it back in after I turn the computer on.
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Re: Make this table STOP BEATING MY HEAD ...Win7, CH controllers
« Reply #38 on: March 22, 2016, 10:33:56 PM »
Yeah that bios, just like mine, is super easy to access and scroll thru. Easy enough to check/change the boot order.

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Re: Make this table STOP BEATING MY HEAD ...Win7, CH controllers
« Reply #39 on: March 23, 2016, 06:11:29 AM »
Quote from: TequilaChaser on March 22, 2016, 04:32:50 PM
Thank You for posting the above, Skuzzy!

I use USB CH Fighter Stick, USB CH Pro Throttle and CH Gameport Rudder Pedals with a gameport to USB adaptor................ and I have never used a USB Hub or Powered USB Hub, and I have yet to have a single problem plugging my USB CH Controllers into any system since Win98se USB through Windows 8.1 PRO ( Although most all my machines currently boot up to Win 7 Ult 64 bit )

I do not dispel that using a USB Power Hub will not be beneficial, like Skuzzy posted "Why?  Because it will not work reliably without it, for most computers."

I have always figured that certain Motherboards ( Higher End MB's) & PSU's have better components than the rest, is the reason I have never had the need to use a powered USB hub


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It is not about the quality of the components.  Virtually all the USB controllers on the market are not capable of supplying the maximum allowed current over the USB bus.  It is by design.  It keeps the yeilds higher during manufacturing.

In a modern computer there are multiple USB hubs, but you have no idea which ports go to which hub.  If you can manage to plug the CH gear into different USB hubs, which are not occupied with other USB devices, then there is a fair chance you will not have any problems as each USB hub can will be able to supply its maximum current to each device and not share the current with other devices.

If you manage to plug the CH gear into only one of the USB hubs of the computer, then it will be unstable.  The total amount of power the complete set of CH gear draws is higher than the USB 2.0 maximum power specification.  USB 3.0 has a higher power limit, but it depends on who made the USB controller as to what the real limit is.

You can play "mix-n-match" with the various USB ports to see if you can find the right combination to make it all work.

I wish motherboard manufacturers would mark the USB ports with the hub number as well.
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Re: Make this table STOP BEATING MY HEAD ...Win7, CH controllers
« Reply #40 on: March 23, 2016, 06:49:37 AM »
Quote from: Skuzzy on March 23, 2016, 06:11:29 AM
In a modern computer there are multiple USB hubs, but you have no idea which ports go to which hub.

There is a way but it takes some time. Open Device Manager, Universal Serial Bus controllers. For each Root hub look at the Power tab. It will tell what is plugged into that hub, how many ports go to that hub and how much power the plugged devices nominally use. That's the only way I know of to ensure there's only one device connected to each hub.
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Re: Make this table STOP BEATING MY HEAD ...Win7, CH controllers
« Reply #41 on: March 23, 2016, 07:03:45 AM »
Rgr Skuzzy.... my post you quoted was me drawing from probably 10 year old+/- discussions on the subject of USB ports, MB and PSU components as well as powered USB hubs...

A particular discussion that keeps coming back up again and again...

Good morning...coffee time

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Re: Make this table STOP BEATING MY HEAD ...Win7, CH controllers
« Reply #42 on: March 23, 2016, 07:11:57 AM »
The booting part tho. I wonder if whoever set it up used a memory stick initially? Has the boot order of usb first. Those Asus boards look for a certain usb port (usually #1) at boot. If the gear is plugged into that port at boot that could be the problem. They have flash memory on them but there's nothing bootable so it causes a problem.

Look to see if you can change the boot order to move hard drive with the operating system up or remove usb from the order.

Or try what Fess had suggested, try moving to different ports to determine if it's a particular port giving you the problem. If you find that's the case I'd bet is the one the mobo is looking to boot to.

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Re: Make this table STOP BEATING MY HEAD ...Win7, CH controllers
« Reply #43 on: March 23, 2016, 08:51:55 AM »
My thanks to everyone who has tried to help here.

I haven't attempted any changes to the system just because I'm such a novice and when it fails to boot, I'm horrified.

Now I understand that changing the bios boot order may solve this issue; on the other hand, the only way I have to reload Win7 (if I ever needed to) would be through an external USB DVD player/burner... so there's that...

One thing I'm not understanding is calling for the USB hub to power the CH gear.  Are you saying that if the CH stuff was powered externally, then  the machine 'would like it' and boot properly?

Just to be clear, once the machine does boot, I can plug in the gear and it works just fine.

Yeah, I've only been plugging them into the generic 2.0 ports.

I'll try the USB hub and a 3.0 port.

Thanks again.
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Re: Make this table STOP BEATING MY HEAD ...Win7, CH controllers
« Reply #44 on: March 23, 2016, 09:01:30 AM »
Quote from: ImADot on March 22, 2016, 10:32:38 PM
I have a Gigabyte X99 motherboard, a powered USB hub, and the exact same issue. I just unplug the cable from the hub when I'm done, and plug it back in after I turn the computer on.

I'madot, I hear you.

But does that mean you have to recalibrate in Windows and in the game every time?
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