JUST DO IT

[RagingPineapple]

1. There is no reason an engine should be damaged simply by applying full throttle.

2. You may wish to do some research on what you call torque and the tail wheel locking of a p51.

3. If you don't want to go look up performance DATA. Then your simply speaking out an orifice.

HiTech

1. On a small engine like on a Cessna or a Vans RV, that would be true. But there is a reason why takeoff manifold pressure is less than full on large, high horsepower engines. the P-51 takes off with 40" to 45" manifold pressure. Operation at extreme manifold pressures like 60" should only be accomplished in flight for short periods of time and for emergencies only. Going straight to full power in a plane like the P-51 from idle on the ground would cause huge stress due the rapid onset of power and inadequate cooling due to low airspeed.

2. I am aware of the tail wheel lock and how it works. Believe it or not, that is necessary knowledge to be able to take off in DCS, but if you think a couple square inches of rubber is going to keep all that airplane straight, you are sorely mistaken.

3. My fingers typing on my keyboard isn't an orifice, unless you count the sweat glands.

[RagingPineapple]

I dont think anyone said anything about AH being more of a sim than DCS. No one brought up DCS with the exception of you and Invictus. I think we can all agree that DCS is more of a sim when it comes to engine management and the likes.

Every product listed in the thread is a game just the same as AH. The only differences is what is emphasized in the simulation.

As far as making a more accurate claim. I have never seen any data posted that shows any other game is as accurate as AH in performance and handling flight modeling.

HiTech

     I'm pretty sure DCS falls under "any other game."

[captain1ma]

I like slamming the throttle home. it gives me lots of pleasure. I don't want to think about manifold pressure unless I'm waiting for people to catch up! i don't want the game to be so complex you have to think about the engine while trying to kill red guys!!

i like the point and click interface of the game..... point the plane at the bad guy, Then I click the machine guns ON!!

[BowHTR]

     I'm pretty sure DCS falls under "any other game."

Please re-read what I posted. Here I'll repost it for you. My statement still stands.

I dont think anyone said anything about AH being more of a sim than DCS. No one brought up DCS with the exception of you and Invictus. I think we can all agree that DCS is more of a sim when it comes to engine management and the likes.

[RagingPineapple]

Please re-read what I posted. Here I'll repost it for you. My statement still stands.

     You highlighted the second part of your statement when it is pretty obvious it was the first part I was referring to and replying to.

[hitech]

So far RagingPineapple you have not posted one piece of DATA. You are simply stating that you like DCS modeling better then AH. Nothing you post has any basis in factual data.

You make drastic assumptions that are simply not true.

HiTech

[RagingPineapple]

So far RagingPineapple you have not posted one piece of DATA. You are simply stating that you like DCS modeling better then AH. Nothing you post has any basis in factual data.

You make drastic assumptions that are simply not true.

HiTech

     Here is a description on how DCS builds their flight models, and the extensive detail they go through to do it: https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/support/faq/505/

     Is this what you're looking for? If not, I can dig deeper. I don't really want to go through that much effort for you guys though. It's like trying to tear down a brick wall with a spoon.

[captain1ma]

whats is it we're supposed to be looking for?

[RagingPineapple]

whats is it we're supposed to be looking for?

     Hitech wants me to provide "DATA" to back my statements that DCS has a more accurate flight model. I myself am not sure exactly what he's looking for as far as data is concerned.

[puller]

He is probably talking about REAL DATA not linking to DCS's website or whatever that link is...

[RagingPineapple]

He is probably talking about REAL DATA not linking to DCS's website or whatever that link is...

     So like this link to a P-51 checklist that backs what I was saying about take off power settings? http://www.aerofiles.com/checklist-p51.html

     And you wont even take the time to read the first link I posted. That right there reinforces my "brick wall" theory.

     Also, adding "REAL" in front of "DATA" still does not clarify what Hitech means by "DATA."

[thrila]

I'm fairly sure i remember reading in the P51 pilot's notes (I cant remember what US equivalent is called- sorry!) that take off is to be conducted at 60".....

[The Fugitive]

     Here is a description on how DCS builds their flight models, and the extensive detail they go through to do it: https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/support/faq/505/

     Is this what you're looking for? If not, I can dig deeper. I don't really want to go through that much effort for you guys though. It's like trying to tear down a brick wall with a spoon.

The link points to what DCS uses as abbreviated terms when describing their take on a flight model.

DATA is the numbers, of torque, horsepower at different setting of the manifold, forces applied to the stick an rudder to counteract the forces supplied by the engine at those settings and so on. 

[Wiley]

     So like this link to a P-51 checklist that backs what I was saying about take off power settings? http://www.aerofiles.com/checklist-p51.html

     And you wont even take the time to read the first link I posted. That right there reinforces my "brick wall" theory.

     Also, adding "REAL" in front of "DATA" still does not clarify what Hitech means by "DATA."

If I may, Pineapple, I think what he's saying is, in flight (not doing the preflight checkout/engine management button pushing/etc) what does DCS do that AH doesn't?  What is wrong about how the planes handle in AH that is right in DCS, and what data are you basing that on?

Wiley.

[hitech]

     Here is a description on how DCS builds their flight models, and the extensive detail they go through to do it: https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/support/faq/505/

     Is this what you're looking for? If not, I can dig deeper. I don't really want to go through that much effort for you guys though. It's like trying to tear down a brick wall with a spoon.

Your the one making claims .

Posting DCS marketing descriptions is not exactly posting flight model data about real aircraft, and then checking performance numbers against or real aircraft vs either flight model.

Data would be things like X static thrust at 40 inches MP. Or Creates X yaw torque at y power settings. Or with no rudder input a plane X creates a yaw velocity Y at Z power settings.

You know things that can actually be measured ant then compared flight molding.

Or simple testing DCS and real world on these type of charts.




HiTech