Author Topic: Pearl Harbor (Read 1004 times)

Turbot · « **Reply #15 on:** July 30, 2002, 12:18:41 PM »

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Originally posted by oboe
Well, I think you just got all the Bishops interested...

LOL!

Turbot · « **Reply #16 on:** July 30, 2002, 12:22:32 PM »

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Originally posted by jordi

Yes is was not 100% Historically Accurate but all involved - 200+ per frame - thourghly enjoyed themselves.

Sadly this rules out the SEA arena for right now - hope they get it fixed soon. Was a fun AW event though.

Biggles · « **Reply #17 on:** July 30, 2002, 12:30:20 PM »

Well if not Pearl Harbor, for sure Battles of Coral Sea and/or Midway.

-AlgyFT

Samm · « **Reply #18 on:** July 30, 2002, 12:41:01 PM »

Longbow was awesome . I forget how many months long it was .

Sikboy · « **Reply #19 on:** July 30, 2002, 12:43:55 PM »

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Originally posted by CDR Akira
sorry no P-40s were in the fight look at the Hitory channels presentation on the truth of pearl harbor it says all the planes were f4f tbm some sbds

You should read more books, and watch less History Channel. I would suggest the book "Aces Against Japan" for starters.

-Sikboy

Sikboy · « **Reply #20 on:** July 30, 2002, 12:46:25 PM »

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Originally posted by Biggles
Well if not Pearl Harbor, for sure Battles of Coral Sea and/or Midway.

-AlgyFT

We just had a kick bellybutton (except for technical problems) tour of duty in the Friday TOD.

-Sikboy

Widewing · « **Reply #21 on:** July 30, 2002, 12:48:56 PM »

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Originally posted by CDR Akira
vehicle/plane set for PH event;

USS Nevada,TBM,F4F,J2F,jeep,B-17,PBY,firetugs,submarines,pt boats,and lots of japanise planes

sorry no P-40s were in the fight look at the Hitory channels presentation on the truth of pearl harbor it says all the planes were f4f tbm some sbds

Not only were there P-40s in the fight (Welch and Taylor had 6 confirmed kills between them), but some P-36 Hawks were also involved. Both pilots received the DFC personally from Gen. Hap Arnold, and had an audience with President Roosevelt.

I suspect that even the History Channel didn't screw it up that bad. I figure you simply misunderstood what was being presented.

Some SBDs did blunder into the fight arriving from U.S. carriers. Indeed, some F4F-3s were fired on by tripleA later in the day when they too flew in from the carriers. However, the vast majority, if not all fighters that got airborne on 12/7/41 were USAAF.

I suggest the following for reading on the topic:

Dr. William Wolf, 'Aerial Action... Pearl Harbor Attack',
American Aviation Historical Society Journal, Spring 1989.

Al Blackburn, 'Aces Wild: The Race for Mach 1', Scholarly Resources, 1999.

Walter Lord, 'Day of Infamy', Holt, Rinehart & Winston, 1957.

Gordon W. Prange, 'At Dawn We Slept', McGraw-Hill, 1981.

Len Deighton, 'Blood, Tears and Folly', HarperCollins, 1993.

My regards,

Widewing

Sikboy · « **Reply #22 on:** July 30, 2002, 01:27:44 PM »

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Originally posted by Widewing

I suggest the following for reading on the topic:

Dr. William Wolf, 'Aerial Action... Pearl Harbor Attack',
American Aviation Historical Society Journal, Spring 1989.

Al Blackburn, 'Aces Wild: The Race for Mach 1', Scholarly Resources, 1999.

Walter Lord, 'Day of Infamy', Holt, Rinehart & Winston, 1957.

Gordon W. Prange, 'At Dawn We Slept', McGraw-Hill, 1981.

Len Deighton, 'Blood, Tears and Folly', HarperCollins, 1993.

My regards,

Widewing

Know your audience Widewing. I specifically chose "Aces against Japan" because of the short autobiographical format. It's ideal for those with short attention spans.

-Sikboy

CDR Akira · « **Reply #23 on:** July 30, 2002, 01:30:24 PM »

Well excuse me for being human

I just watched it myself I'm sorry:rolleyes:

Packy · « **Reply #24 on:** July 30, 2002, 01:46:07 PM »

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Originally posted by Biggles
Well if not Pearl Harbor, for sure Battles of Coral Sea and/or Midway.

-AlgyFT

No Pearl Harbor??!! heaven forbid we have a more evenly-matched battle such as Coral Sea or Midway! Without PH we Bish's won't be able to do that vulching thingummy that everyone knows is the only thing we love to do! lol

senna · « **Reply #25 on:** July 30, 2002, 02:18:25 PM »

>Doesnt it sound hopelessly boring? 200 something japanese >planes diving in on a fleet in port and an airfield, vulching the >shit out of the airfield, and blowing the fleet off the face of the >planet (oh, yeah, we would have to disable ack for the first >wave too).
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>What would the americans do? Apart from trying to up from a >rediculously vulched field that is.

Essentially, but I'm guessing that there is a possibility for failure on the Japanese side in terms of mission accomplished or not. The American side would be able to man the ground and ship antiaircraft defenses or various types. They would also try to roll at the airfileds if possible, some made it into the air. Then there are the B17s that were trying to land. US goal would simply be to thwart the attack and defend as best possible and Japanese side would be to achieve swift victory then retreat.

Widewing · « **Reply #26 on:** July 30, 2002, 02:20:14 PM »

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Originally posted by CDR Akira
Well excuse me for being human

I just watched it myself I'm sorry:rolleyes:

Sorry, I didn't mean to sound condencending.

Nothing personal was intended. As I said, I believe that you merely misunderstood what they said. Of course, the History Channel is well know for presenting the worst scholarship and offering it as factual. I suggest that you view the History Channel as entertainment and not rely upon it too much.

Try a few of the books I suggested. Most can be found in a public library, some even on cassette tape and/or CD, great for listening to when driving or working around the home.

And yes, Aces Against Japan is a good primer, and its author/publisher, Eric Hammel, is an especially nice fellow.

My regards,

Widewing

Seeker · « **Reply #27 on:** July 30, 2002, 02:41:29 PM »

Jordi:

Well let's do it, what are we waiting for? The right colour water, or confirmation that Pyro's modelled the correct type of gas?

WideWing:

You're a gem. I thouroughly enjoyed your contribution to these boards before you were a player; and continue to do so now you're a player. However, now that you are a mere player (instead of being a remote authority figure as Tony Williams as wisely chosen to be); lighten the diddly up dude! Go fly a Niki or something and tell us about how much fun you had!

( but don't drop the website; 'K?)

Charon · « **Reply #28 on:** July 30, 2002, 03:26:09 PM »

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Gordon W. Prange, 'At Dawn We Slept', McGraw-Hill, 1981.

Walter Lord, 'Day of Infamy', Holt, Rinehart & Winston, 1957.
Widewing

Two excellent books on the attack.

Charon

Widewing · « **Reply #29 on:** July 30, 2002, 03:30:21 PM »

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Originally posted by Seeker
Jordi:

Well let's do it, what are we waiting for? The right colour water, or confirmation that Pyro's modelled the correct type of gas?

WideWing:

You're a gem. I thouroughly enjoyed your contribution to these boards before you were a player; and continue to do so now you're a player. However, now that you are a mere player (instead of being a remote authority figure as Tony Williams as wisely chosen to be); lighten the diddly up dude! Go fly a Niki or something and tell us about how much fun you had!

( but don't drop the website; 'K?)

Damn Seeker, you know I hate Nikis!

My regards,

Widewing