Author Topic: The Real Eve (Read 3846 times)

AKSWulfe · « **Reply #60 on:** August 26, 2002, 10:17:51 AM »

Then.... why did God spite the Dinosaurs?

Was it really like what they said in the Simpsons.. they ate some of them forbidden fruits?

Chances are there were some "first" human(s)... we had to change from being a species of apes at some point.

People who believe in creation have no more proof of their belief than people who think evolution is the answer... except there's a whole lot more backing evidence for evolution.
-SW

H. Godwineson · « **Reply #61 on:** August 26, 2002, 10:47:38 AM »

The Bible does not contradict the theory of evolution.

Genesis 1: 26-28 speaks of the creation of mankind..."and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air...and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it..."

The creation of Adam and Eve is not spoken of until the second chapter of Genesis. By implication there were already other people in the world. Some Biblical scholars might disagree with this statement, but others believe that the creation of Adam and Eve was a "special event," clearly distinguishable from the creation of mankind.

You don't agree? Then read the fourth chapter of Genesis, which tells the story of Cain and Able. After Cain slew his brother, the Lord cast him out of the land in which he was living. The ground was cursed and would no longer yield a bountiful crop for him.

Cain said..."My punishment is more than I can bear. Behold thou has driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me.

"And the Lord said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the Lord set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.

If it is true, as some anti-Evolutionists maintain, that Adam and Eve and their sons Cain and Able were the only people in the world at the time of this event (Adam and Eve's next son, Seth, was not born until after the death of Able)
then who was Cain afraid of? If there were no other people in the world then Cain's lament is the ultimate expression of paranoia.

Go to verse 17 of the same chapter. "And Cain knew his wife"

Where did she come from?

Return to verse 17; "...and she conceived, and bare Enock: and he builded a city..."

He built a city? For what? There was no one to live in it?

Reading further in the fourth chapter of Genesis we find that all the sons of Cain (and there were many) found wives. Where did they come from?

As you can see, the Bible itself contains evidence that there was already an established population of humans in the world when Adam and Eve were created by God.

Regards, Shuckins

AKSWulfe · « **Reply #62 on:** August 26, 2002, 10:55:46 AM »

But what about the Dinosaurs?

Wooly Mammoths?

Ice Age?
-SW

Wlfgng · « **Reply #63 on:** August 26, 2002, 10:56:02 AM »

nope, not biting goodwinsome.. or (can't remember)

Kanth · « **Reply #64 on:** August 26, 2002, 10:58:19 AM »

Were you thinking of "Smite"?

or were you saying that God killed them cause he hated them?

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Originally posted by AKSWulfe
Then.... why did God spite the Dinosaurs?
-SW

AKSWulfe · « **Reply #65 on:** August 26, 2002, 11:00:51 AM »

No, spite.

He must of hated them if he killed them.

Or am I confusing one "loving God" with something else?
-SW

myelo · « **Reply #66 on:** August 26, 2002, 11:05:45 AM »

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Originally posted by Elfenwolf
The point is that maybe it's the monkeys who evolved from man and not the other way around. After all they're stronger and faster than we are and, in the case of the FDBs they're brighter too.

That's a myth!

Monkeys are just better AH pilots than FDBs and have superior social skills.

Kanth · « **Reply #67 on:** August 26, 2002, 11:10:14 AM »

Maybe it was a game to God like Doom, he came thru blowing them away because he was bored
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Maybe he loved them so much that he wanted all the little Dinosaur souls in heaven with him

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Maybe he looked away for a few mins and something else got em.
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Maybe he looked down one day and screamed "THOSE BASTARD DINOSAURS MUST ALL DIE!!!" and then he kilt em.

you sound pretty sure tho...

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Originally posted by AKSWulfe
No, spite.

He must of hated them if he killed them.

Or am I confusing one "loving God" with something else?
-SW

AKSWulfe · « **Reply #68 on:** August 26, 2002, 11:13:29 AM »

"you sound pretty sure tho..."

Nah, just pointing out the irony in an "all-loving" God... when he allows so many of his creations to slip from his fingertips.

Dodos, Dinosaurs, animals from the ice age, pre-historic man, etc.

But hell, what do I know... atleast the Bible sets it all straight.... errr, wait a minute....
-SW

10Bears · « **Reply #69 on:** August 26, 2002, 11:33:33 AM »

WE ARE ALL DECENDENTS OF KIRK TANK!!

Kanth · « **Reply #70 on:** August 26, 2002, 11:34:55 AM »

Could you explain to me the extent of God's fingertips?

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Originally posted by AKSWulfe
"you sound pretty sure tho..."

Nah, just pointing out the irony in an "all-loving" God... when he allows so many of his creations to slip from his fingertips.

Dodos, Dinosaurs, animals from the ice age, pre-historic man, etc.

But hell, what do I know... atleast the Bible sets it all straight.... errr, wait a minute....
-SW

Kanth · « **Reply #71 on:** August 26, 2002, 11:35:35 AM »

That's Captain Kirk Tank to you!!!

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Originally posted by 10Bears
WE ARE ALL DECENDENTS OF KIRK TANK!!

AKSWulfe · « **Reply #72 on:** August 26, 2002, 11:44:08 AM »

The extent is the reality that we know.

Afterall, everything else is just subjective conjecture based on a book that was written by 5000+ year old simpletons that may or may not have been playing with a whole deck of cards.

Reminds me of a Chris Rock skit... God used to talk to everyone, atleast that's how it is in the bible... now-a-days, who's he talking to? Those people on the street talking to themselves? The ones proclaiming to be God? The ones proclaiming to be messengers of God?

Did he decide to just stop talking once the bible was written?

Aside from a faith based on a book written 5000 years ago by very simple people as a means to justify/explain their existence that has gone through thousands of revisions... what else do you have to explain/justify that there is a God?

Just because we can't fathom it, doesn't mean someone/something else had to create it.
-SW

Kanth · « **Reply #73 on:** August 26, 2002, 12:01:31 PM »

Proof of existance of God, that's another thing that has slipped throught his fingers

I think one of the greatest limitations of human thinking is that it's so human centric.

And I think people who boldly proclaim to know things for which they cannot have absolute proof, die in strange ways.

Maybe God hates them too.

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Originally posted by AKSWulfe
The extent is the reality that we know.
-SW

AKSWulfe · « **Reply #74 on:** August 26, 2002, 12:09:00 PM »

Again, that's all subjective conjecture.

I could just as easily say space aliens struck down that crack head down the street with a yellow laser beam as I could say that someone's God working in mysterious ways struck down that crack head with a bolt of lightning.

There is no proof either way other than what you see. Luck, being in the wrong place at the wrong time, God, or simply toejam just happening with no real rhyme or reason... any of the aforementioned ideas could explain someone's death, someone having to suffer through deaths of people close to them, or just the way things happen on earth.

Faith is just that, and trying to explain the existence of God by relying on human foibles when all else fails... well that's just seems like a way of saying "well, I don't really know... but maybe this will explain what I think"... so until one of us meets our fate, you are no more right than I am. However, I can explain my philosphy by using what's around me... while faith is sitting there desperately leaping up and down reaching for every strand it can to explain life and the existance of a God.

-SW