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midnight Target · « **Reply #135 on:** November 12, 2002, 04:09:33 PM »

No room for good Buddists or Hindus in Heaven funked?

funkedup · « **Reply #136 on:** November 12, 2002, 04:11:59 PM »

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Originally posted by midnight Target
No room for good Buddists or Hindus in Heaven funked?

Not unless they have accepted Jesus as their savior. I don't make the rules, sorry.

hblair · « **Reply #137 on:** November 12, 2002, 04:18:06 PM »

Boo freakin hoo fish. You guys try so hard to prove stuff that you trip over each others big heads. Just calm down and be content that christians are just gonna go back to being dirt in the end. If I were an atheist or agnostic I'd be all about that. What a funny gag huh? They think they're going to heaven but they just cease altogether. You should be going for that angle. That'll show 'em!

Wlfgng · « **Reply #138 on:** November 12, 2002, 04:22:23 PM »

firearms, horsepower and beautiful women lazs..
and not necessarily in that order

SOB · « **Reply #139 on:** November 12, 2002, 04:38:18 PM »

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Originally posted by funkedup
Not unless they have accepted Jesus as their savior. I don't make the rules, sorry.

LOL...if that's the case, I must say that I do find it sad that anyone would worship a deity who's so petty as to damn anyone to hell who doesn't spend their life in his service.

SOB

Eagler · « **Reply #140 on:** November 12, 2002, 05:00:36 PM »

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Originally posted by funkedup
Not unless they have accepted Jesus as their savior. I don't make the rules, sorry.

that be the preachers making them rules, the same ones which pass da hat every service

There is enlightenment and then there isn't

it wears many customes and rituals

the bible is a very holy book, as are many other spiritual scriptures/ too bad mans narrow minded interpretation changes/clouds their true meaning, usually into a self serving one

funkedup · « **Reply #141 on:** November 12, 2002, 05:01:48 PM »

Ummmmmmmmmmmmkay never mind that whole "New Testament" thing. I suppose they were just kidding about the whole eternal life thing......

Sandman · « **Reply #142 on:** November 12, 2002, 05:07:01 PM »

According to the bible, enlightenment isn't enough to get you upstairs.

Eagler · « **Reply #143 on:** November 12, 2002, 05:14:05 PM »

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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
According to the bible, enlightenment isn't enough to get you upstairs.

I do believe that would depend on what rev of the bible and who is doing the reading/interpretation

Enlightenment IS Upstairs

don't worry, we all will keep coming back and trying again until we get it right

oh yeah forgot, the "leaders" removed ref to reincarnation from the bible as it did not fit into "their" religious ways (2nd
Council of Constantinople 533 a.d). Not enough fear in try try again. they'd rather have one pop and you are judged for "eternity".

Sandman · « **Reply #144 on:** November 12, 2002, 05:15:57 PM »

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Originally posted by Eagler
Enlightenment IS Upstairs

Interesting... even to an atheist.

Kieran · « **Reply #145 on:** November 12, 2002, 05:28:43 PM »

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Originally posted by mrfish
your beliefs are an affront by themselves - can you be a good person without being a christian?

must not be the case if all non christians go to hell right? god doesn't send good people to hell does he so.... therefor you are automatically assigning a lower moral value to non-christians.

if that's not bashing i don't know what is.

So what you are basically saying is that, regardless of how I behave, what I say or do, you are going to bash me because of what I believe? And you think I am offensive? And you want someone to discuss the issue with you?

You don't think that comes across a bit... fanatical? You are assigning behaviors and thoughts to me that have not been borne out by any of my actions or words. I realize I am just a vehicle to your destination, but at least do try to play fair.

Kieran · « **Reply #146 on:** November 12, 2002, 05:31:14 PM »

Further... I never said non-Christians weren't good people. I am not assigning moral value to anyone. If you believe this, you really don't have the understanding of the Bible you say you do.

God assigns the moral value. God makes the judgements. In fact, we are specifically told NOT to judge people. You know that, certainly.

mrfish · « **Reply #147 on:** November 12, 2002, 06:05:07 PM »

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Originally posted by Kieran
Further... I never said non-Christians weren't good people. I am not assigning moral value to anyone. If you believe this, you really don't have the understanding of the Bible you say you do.

God assigns the moral value. God makes the judgements. In fact, we are specifically told NOT to judge people. You know that, certainly.

you should consult with funked if you need clarification on the rules.

ALL non-believers go to hell - > ALL people that go to hell are bad people

i am a non-believer, so i am going to hell, so i am a _________ person.

jump in if i am wrong here.....

now, you say non-believers can be good - > so is it possible for good people to go to hell then if they don't meet the entrance requirements to heaven?

if you say "yes, good people can go to hell" ie - good person but unbaptised and non-believer

then your god is unjust

if you say "no, good people can't go to hell" ie. god makes judgments exclusive of his rules, then you are saying the rules in the new testament are meaningless.

there's just no way around that.

funkedup · « **Reply #148 on:** November 12, 2002, 06:25:16 PM »

I'm not any kind of theological expert. It may actually possible to get eternal life without praying for it. Maybe God will grant mercy to nonbelievers. I do know that eternal life is explicitly guaranteed for those who accept Christ as their savior, and this is why people do things like knock on doors and wear Jesus t-shirts. They are trying to share the greatest gift ever. Maybe you don't think it is a great gift, but if you want to understand why they do these things (which I thought was the point of this thread in the first place) then you need to put yourself in their shoes.

mrfish · « **Reply #149 on:** November 12, 2002, 06:30:23 PM »

ah!

finally thanks funked for the straight answer-

so a non-believer can go to heaven then?