To The Rumble Fw 190A-5 pilots

[Swager]

Boy Milo, you said it!

I was thinking that it would be nice to fly in something like this, but damn!

Some of you people need to check your ego in at the coat room before ya step into AH.

WOW!  I have seen two 5 year olds fighting over a Tonka truck that acted more mature.

I was thinking of organizing a Spit V/Me109 F-4/G-2 get together. JG2 and 308.  But damn!  I like those guys from 308.  Wouldn't want it to turn out like this.

And please keep JG2 out of this.  Seems like I/JG2 had one pilot flying for the LW and he is one of the most humbling pilots I know to fly with.

This thing had disaster written all over it from the very beginning!  Two super egos head butting in a simualted world.

How some people can take a wonderful WWII Flight Simulation and turn it into their own private battleground is beyond me.  

Yes, you may be thinking, "Well Swager, that is why I am a better pilot, because I have more passion in this sim than you."  Well if having more passion for the game means I have to blindly argue like you mellonheads, then you can have it!

Somethings never cease to amaze me!

Have a nice day!    

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Swager
GeschwaderKommodore I/JG2~Richthofen~[/i]

"Damn.....I can't believe I missed that shot!!!"
 
JG2 "Richthofen"

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[funked]

Never in the field of human conflict was so much disgrace brought to so many by so few.

[funked]

Swager, Spit V vs. 109F-4 sounds like fun.  Let me know when you want to do it.  

[Wanker]

 

I was thinking of organizing a Spit V/Me109 F-4/G-2 get together. JG2 and 308. But damn! I like those guys from 308.
Wouldn't want it to turn out like this.

Hey Swager, no worries. I'm sure that we and JG2 would be able to keep it a friendly competition.  




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P/O banana
XO 308(Polish) Sqn "City of Cracow" RAF

[Ripsnort]

 

Originally posted by funked:
Never in the field of human conflict was so much disgrace brought to so many by so few.

Hehehehe, got a good chuckle out of that  this morning..thanks!

The only thing I can think of is...

OH, THE HUMANITY

Fighter pilot egos are like amazinhunks, everyone has one, some are bigger than others...

[Exile]

 

Originally posted by Dingy:
Jeez louise....just keep it simple.  Define a merge as being completed when the first two planes pass each other.  Leave it up to the different sides to decide how they want to handle the situation once the merge is complete.  Individual pilot skill can be overcome by good wingman strategy.  Do they gangbang the lead pilot and hope to kill it before his buddy can join the fray or do they blow through to engage the trailer.  

Leave some strategy in it and let the pilots sort it out like they had to in RL.  Jeeez...the 33rd used to do tons of these squad vs squad battles and there was NEVER this kind of controversey cause we kept it simple.  Remember those fites against the Shills and ARM, Crash and Jig?    Now those were fun!

-Ding

When I say "re-write", I'm meaning more of a refining process than an actual new ROE. A few very precise points that in no way could every be misunderstood. And yes I agree there should always be room left for individual and group strategy ... hell that's half the battle.  

[Ripsnort]

 

Originally posted by Exile:

When I say "re-write", I'm meaning more of a refining process than an actual new ROE. A few very precise points that in no way could every be misunderstood. And yes I agree there should always be room left for individual and group strategy ... hell that's half the battle.    

Here's a quote from Hangtime in the Hang vs Hristo thread in regards to why Hang would climb to 13k , then dive down to the agreed-upon 10k merge:
 

"You'll note that the wording was specific.. 10k "AT" merge. Which we did. We were both level and at 10k when we did merge; every time. Neither a/c had any signifivant alt edge at the merge.

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To summarize, for every rule, there is always someone  to exploit the loop holes left in the wording.



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[Jigster]

 

Originally posted by Dingy:


Leave some strategy in it and let the pilots sort it out like they had to in RL.  Jeeez...the 33rd used to do tons of these squad vs squad battles and there was NEVER this kind of controversey cause we kept it simple.  Remember those fites against the Shills and ARM, Crash and Jig?    Now those were fun!

-Ding

There was a major difference however. We wanted to have a good time and didn't have anything to prove.

Shills always made those cracks in good fun, as did we. No one was afraid of a rematch either...

Nobody claimed "conspiracy! conspiracy!".

It's just pityful. I think how much this game could be if we had fights like that again.

And we ALWAYS got even at the cons.  

I don't think it was right for Hang to go off like that, but it IS understandable.

He set this up. He did nearly all the work besides the great help by Nash. We had alot of walkons on the allied side, and I was one of them. He made sure we all got up without augering, paired us up, and what not.

Then he doesn't get to compete in the event he set up. I'd be pretty pissed off myself.

And Hristo's craptastic attitude about winning helps about as much as a 20mm cannon shell up the ass.

- Jig
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Squelch macros are cool!

[Nash]

Yeah Jigster... that bears repeating.  Hang deciding to pull himself out of a fight he engineered so that the walk-ons would be able to participate demonstrates some real character.  A real show of class that was.

[Torque]

A sad way to end my virtual on-line career, but I think it's time to permanently cancel both WB and AH memberships. I have a pretty little C172 sitting in a hanger just crying for more real flight time, so I think perhaps I'll pay more attention to her.

Dach comon now this involves 20 some odd ppl  AH has 1000+ accounts. This does not reflect the whole community.  Mr Newbie who started last week should he be denied the right of reading your eloquent post because of this incident The emotions and rivalry are the glory of the Sim, geeze what did those pilots returning really say after engagements like this one. Now with a more positive spin to the emotion aspect, AH will be the greatest SIM. Teething periods are always squeaky remember beta days. ROE gets tweaked out more things will be ok. War is HELL.

[Nash]

ewps... cyclin' thru the back button on my browser got me a double post.

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[Hristo]

Moose, I appologize for “conspiracy” insinuations. Also, statements about you pilot skill were out of line, but right there we needed experienced sticks, not newbies or AH newcomers. Seems this all has been bad coincidence and it was my mistake not to recognize our number disparity.

Sorry about that  . My mistake.

We also had Wulgaru, Minus and Niteflyr who have been turned down while they tried to join LW team. It was simply too late for that, since we announced 10 vs 10 and Nash called for no more walkons. Sorry, but I missed you on the runway and only became aware when I saw you in our formation. The rest I already explained.


Toad, I don’t fly for living. I base my opinions on what I have read on WW2 air combat. So my experience is not even close to the real life pilot. But range finders ? Aiming aids ? IFF at 5 miles ? E state indicators ?

Right now a cannon Hog can BnZ from 5 miles distance, opening up at 1000 yards and hitting, due to all aiming aids. WW2 ? Nope.


As for arrogance ? By all means yes. I was arrogant from the start and of course I am now. Part of me was trolling, but in most part I believed in what I was saying. Just look at The Rumble intro. Those P 51 pinheads deserve all the Luftwaffe bragging. Maybe they wouldn’t gloat so much if we lost. Maybe they would. But they lost. And ghosts don’t brag  . It is just part of the fight.


Not to be forgotten, opportunists have also made statements that just ask for this gloating. Rude ? Torque ? And Hangtime, to lesser extent. Go watch Rumble intro. Those guys need this and it is damn nice to be able to gloat about it. Where is now “tidbit of crappola”, “full of Crappolla Trophy”, "bunch of bull" whatever ? You need another RoE favoring your side ? You need LW flying 109E ? P 51s lost it.  Luftwaffe won. And boy do I like to brag about it  .

Still, I don’t take it so serious Hang seems to be taking it. Blame me for whatever you like, but bragging feels just great. You think some LW types are arrogant ? You are right. But not more than the arrogancy of P 51 opportunists. So the victory is even sweeter.

And yes, Rude, Torque and Hangtime, do not forget:

The best pilots are always Luftwaffe !




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Stoickov
JG54 "Grünherz"

[Hristo]

However, read my first post in this tread.

Immense skill and bravery ? Of course I was joking and trolling, but in no way I wanted to offend anyone. It was ment as fun post, and to tease Allies just a bit.

But then look at Hang's reply :

"Yer fulla horsecrap Hristo."
"LW.. you won nothing except my disgust. "

Well, since our little mergediver ticked me off, expect that my following posts contain less politeness and far more arrogance and gloating.

Still, my next posts contains more trolling and gloating. It was a direct response to Hang's post. Again, no offensive statements.

Hang replies :

"Scum. You get NO respect. Yer lower than cat crap."

Well, don't blame me for following posts.



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Stoickov
JG54 "Grünherz"

[Yeager]

Givin the fact that the AH P51D is such a pitifully anemic vertical performer its no wonder that the 190A-5s prevailed.

Hell, Id make the 190A-5 my ride of choice if Red, White and Blue didnt get in the way.

As for LW computer simulation enthusiasts being *the best*...well, no two ways to cut it, thats just plain horsehit.

Have a nice day  

Yeager

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[Torque]

Here is a training film for those LW pilots http://members.home.net/torqs/films/Histro.zip

Funny tho kill message said callsign was Enemy     Doh.....duel accounts hristo

and of course they are