Author Topic: comparing Warbirds III to current AH (Read 3858 times)

Furious · « **Reply #60 on:** April 10, 2003, 08:27:06 PM »

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Originally posted by Target
Seriously didn't mean to offend anyone. Just trying to answer F4U's question. It's my understanding that Dale and crew pretty actively monitor this forum, I would assume if they had a problem they would have moved or deleted the thread.

Anyway, the offending screenshots have been removed. I like coming over here to see how AH is developing. Hope I'm still welcome. Again, my apologies.

I think it is fine for you to come here to have discussions, talk to old friends, etc. However it was the WB sales pitch that bothered me.

...of course I don't work for HTC, and maybe they don't mind.

I don't think many of the WB community would appreciate HT or Pyro posting screenies of AH on AGW though.

F.

F4UDOA · « **Reply #61 on:** April 10, 2003, 09:30:34 PM »

Target,

Didn't get to see your original post. Almost whish I had now.

I wasn't being sarcastic but I was not kidding either.

When I looked at the Spit XIV I wasn't looking for nicer graphics. I was looking for a more realistic six view. And honestly in A/C with a bubble canopy it is not bad at all. I however fly the F4U almost exclusively and I don't think the 6 view in the F4U is fairly represented. In anycase that it what I was looking at.

As far as the P-38L goes. I have quite a bit of documentation that says a P-38L shoundn't turn nearly as well as it does in WBIII. Just looking at my P-38L flight Manual and the stall speed listed ae not that impressive. What in the IEN design team would make me believe otherwise? Also the low speed roll is too high even by Lockheed specs.

Here is a chart I got from Vought Aircraft showing the stall of the P-38J to be higher than the P-47D. Feel free to download any documents on my webpage.

F4UDOA · « **Reply #62 on:** April 10, 2003, 09:37:40 PM »

Target,

Why not just turn around and look??

Is this fairly represented?

nopoop · « **Reply #63 on:** April 10, 2003, 10:38:16 PM »

There has been something "wrong" with the WB F4U all the way back to the 2.5 days. While performing at "speed" or in a dive as one would think it should, it bleeds like a stuck pig, always has, prolly always will. Energy conserving turns make no difference, do a couple in them and it bleeds out.

I'm not a pencil pushin show me a graph kinda guy. When a Hog takes more disipline then a Jug to fly, graphs don't do me diddly.

Similar problem in the 190 that was reticfied and then recended for what reason I'll never know. "I'll never know" is a common feeling when I discuss WB.

Target's good people. He has the passion.

Let's put it this way Target, you build it, and they will come.

But at this point in time, Dale hasn't a thing to worry about..

..and I'd be suspect of the "concensus" of those left, to point you in the right direction. That being evident by the disdain for a fun, packed arena..

But that's just one opinion, or maybe 500..

Kekule · « **Reply #64 on:** April 11, 2003, 08:05:59 AM »

Anyone who thinks "their" game has a realistic FM is kidding themselves. They are all games, none are perfect or even close.

"My flight sim is better than yours, and 60381 other dweebs agree with me!" *yawn*

One thing is for sure, the FM for the WB Ki-43 is vastly superior than the one in AH or any other flight sim, PERIOD!!

Nopoop, ya bastige!

Kekule
18th Sentai

vorticon · « **Reply #65 on:** April 11, 2003, 08:51:31 AM »

naturally the fm for thje ki-43 is better...since we dont have one i could make a **** model of one with the fm of that little spaceship in asteroids and STILL have a better flight model!!!

Siaf__csf · « **Reply #66 on:** April 11, 2003, 09:49:49 AM »

Vorticon why are you so defensive?

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siaf i honestly dont give a **** anymore....you can stick to your gameygame ill stick to my FLIGHT SIM!!!

And which gameygame is my game? FYI I have played AH extensively, far far more than I'll ever play IL2. Don't make accusations on subjects you know nothing about.

You get all worked up while others are trying to have a discussion.. what's up with that?

gatt · « **Reply #67 on:** April 11, 2003, 09:51:33 AM »

Target, model a Fiat G.55 "Centauro" and I'll reopen my WB account. Model the mighty G.56 and I'll even close my AH account

vorticon · « **Reply #68 on:** April 11, 2003, 09:59:00 AM »

mih i just like to make a seen

lazs2 · « **Reply #69 on:** April 11, 2003, 11:27:52 AM »

long as you have no 6 view, no customers and no corsair worth flying along with a mushy FM for every plane.... I will stay away.

When it all get's fixed... let's talk about it again.... I don't intend to be a martyr for years like the poor slobs who are "patiently" waiting for WB to not be such a joke. I woulda wasted a year or two if I would have stayed there lstening to promises by former curren or future WB staff..

believe it when I see it...

improvements in WB are just vaporware to me.
lazs

(guess I should add... nothing against you personaly target... to early yet)

dracon · « **Reply #70 on:** April 11, 2003, 11:40:26 AM »

1st Thing! Hey Target, old squaddie of mine.

Yippers!

2nd Thing! Would the new management at WBs be this lienient if HT and Pyro posted on their BBS? Just wondering......

3rd Thing! As an EX 6 year customer of WBs, everything that has been said here is quite accurate. There are 2 reasons I left. The WBs Engine is "PORKED". A spaggetti Bowl. They pull on one noodle and move 2-3 others fixing something and "pooching" something else. This is why progress is sooooo slow. Certainly not Targets fault. The other is bad connects, mirco warps when in close proximity to other planes. I have Cable and talked to SKYDVR a lot! You'd do a HO merge sliding past the other plane at D-8, 800 here and lose a wing?? Just had enough of that.

Finally! I remain loyal to NO SIMM. The best one gets my money and I could care less about cost! Ok, I might care a bit

GL All!

nopoop · « **Reply #71 on:** April 11, 2003, 09:16:34 PM »

...Dodges grenade throw by Kek ( the dirty bastage )

Quick reversal and opens up with:

Kill stats 11 days into the tour...

Ki-61 405 kills, 368 deaths, K/D of 1.10

It's early yet, last tour in the 24 hour a day "uber" arena..

Ki-61 has 1723 Kills and 1166 deaths against all models..

Damm paper airplanes..

AtmkRstr · « **Reply #72 on:** April 11, 2003, 09:41:13 PM »

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Originally posted by Siaf__csf
In IL-2 you can feel the gyro forces from the prop and recoil from guns etc. stuff as where AH planes fly in direct line.

try turning off auto trim

Siaf__csf · « **Reply #73 on:** April 12, 2003, 01:23:56 AM »

Atkmkrstr: I started playing AH so long time ago that there was no autotrim and even the flight model was totally different.

Don't try to patronise me n00b.

Batz · « **Reply #74 on:** April 12, 2003, 03:41:29 AM »

No poop get the kill stats for his ki-43........

6 kills per tour or so is my guess in that packed arena.........