THis is not about name calling, Charon can play little comparison games as can you which in turn are used to try and belittle my point to reinforce yours. Comparisons are likening something / someone to something else, or in other words saying they are like that to which you compare too. Gee, is that not a fancy way of calling someone names by saying you are comparing them to the epithet? Bodhi
Obviously I was not comparing you to a Nazi since any religion would come in second to the Nazi party. I was comparing your line of thinking to a number of other groups (Soviet and Chinese Communists, Nazis, Taliban, etc.) where the majority was always right, and if you are not part of the majority then look out. However, the Nazi’s were a family values / nation values party in areas like the role of women in society; proper art, music and movies; sexual morality in marriage; the disdain for alternative lifestyles (the pink triangle stood next to the Star of David in the camps) and other areas and just look at the utopia that resulted.
Ahh, but you see, that is the fundemental ingredient of all arguments. Had Charon not tried to insult and berate with his attempt to other an alternative opinion, and whined the minority whine, it never would have been brought up. Lastly, it was he who put the words degenerate minority in a statement and then tried to pass them off as his own. Bodhi
Well, let’s see who’s insulting. In addition to the tone of your posts, which clearly insult anyone who doesn’t see the world 100 percent the way you do, there are the following:
… Where are these same lawyers when I see that imbecile with 60 piercings hanging out of his/her face
… as well as pretending to be an expert as you try to come off as.
… If you wish to look into that statement just a bit further than the surface which you excel at
… I am forced to come back and explain it to your wonderfully educated self.
… That was exactly the point I was trying to bring up SHerlock.
… Please, continue on with your wonderous insight
… yours was yet another attempt at being a Mr. Ima Know It All and am gonna get you.
… seeings that you are the most supreme and intellectual being to grace these boards,
… but guess what wise arse
… After you climb down of that all mighty perch of yours. [this one is really golden]
… Then again, your so full of yourself, the possibility that you could be misguided is going to be lost on you anyways. [again, golden. Isn’t excessive pride/vanity supposed to be sin?]
… That is completely lacking of any merit as a discussion, and shows what level your morals lie at. Heck, maybe we should appoint you to the ehtics board, and you can help perpetuate the downward spiral this nation is in. Maybe you'll vote to have transvestite strippers in the class room to teach 1st graders sex ed.
… Tell ya what Einstein, you keep right on with your way of thinking, and your ilk is gonna get us one of two things; a loss of our civil rights and residence in a police state, or a total breakdown of basic services ruled by anarchy.
As for bringing up the whole minority thing, perhaps you should reread your very first post:
As for the 20% that do not acknowledge the Old Testament, learn to look away, and leave it that. Because I for one, am tired of having to conform to a minorities petty antics aimed at governing how I live my life. Enough is Enough. It is time for those that believe in what I have said to stand up for what they believe in and take this country back from those that are ripping it apart. Bodhi
And, as for putting words in your mouth, I’m so sorry. Perhaps, surprisingly, degenerate was too strong a word for you to use. Please give me your definition of a culture that not only allows, but can even encourage the following:
1. Two men kissing on national television
2. A performance artist getting a federal grant for a project where he urinates on a bible
3. MTV using sex to draw in adolescents
4. The Jerry Springer show and its kind
5. A hollywood actor insulting the president
Tell ya what, seeings that you are the most supreme and intellectual being to grace these boards, why don't you build us a time machine, and we can go back and watch what happened. Maybe sit down and interview these souls who wrote these documents and see for our selves what was on their minds. BUt my bet will rest on their guidance flowing from their religous conviction, and their belief in right and wrong which so closely resembles those very Commandments that were the reason for this post to begin with. Lastly, why don't you back up some of your statements with fact, or is it too much trouble for you to go and cut and paste out of the National Enquirer? Bodhi
We don’t really have to. The founding fathers’ beliefs about religion are fairly clear from their writings. Some were strongly Christian in focus, and some were Free Masons with a very different idea about Christianity and its role in America. Since you seem to have missed those counter opinions, here are a few reposts:
* In a sermon of October 1831, Episcopalian minister Bird Wilson said, "Among all of our Presidents, from Washington downward, not one was a professor of religion, at least not of more than Unitarianism."
* Thomas Jefferson:
"I have examined all the known superstitions of the word, and I do not find in our particular superstition of Christianity one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology. Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned. What has been the effect of this coercion? To make one half the world fools and the other half hypocrites; to support roguery and error all over the earth."
* John Adams:
"The doctrine of the divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity."
* Adams signed the Treaty of Tripoli. Article 11 states:
"The Government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion."
* Thomas Paine:
"I would not dare to so dishonor my Creator God by attaching His name to that book (the Bible)."
"Among the most detestable villains in history, you could not find one worse than Moses. Here is an order, attributed to 'God' to butcher the boys, to massacre the mothers and to debauch and rape the daughters. I would not dare so dishonor my Creator's name by (attaching) it to this filthy book (the Bible)."
* James Madison:
"What influence in fact have Christian ecclesiastical establishments had on civil society? In many instances they have been upholding the thrones of political tyranny. In no instance have they been seen as the guardians of the liberties of the people. Rulers who wished to subvert the public liberty have found in the clergy convenient auxiliaries. A just government, instituted to secure and perpetuate liberty, does not need the clergy." Madison objected to state-supported chaplains in Congress and to the exemption of churches from taxation. He wrote:
"Religion and government will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together."
Oh thats just golden, comparing the "10 Commandemnts" to having sex in Court as though they fit in the same discussion. That is completely lacking of any merit as a discussion, and shows what level your morals lie at. Heck, maybe we should appoint you to the ehtics board, and you can help perpetuate the downward spiral this nation is in. Maybe you'll vote to have transvestite strippers in the class room to teach 1st graders sex ed. Bodhi
Speaking of the 10 Commandments again, I’m glad to see Alabama has finally gotten on board with the whole:
* 'You shall have no other gods before Me.'
*'You shall not make for yourself a carved image--any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.'*'You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.'
*'Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.'
*'Honor your father and your mother.'
* 'You shall not commit adultery.'
* 'You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor's.'
I mean, stealing, murder and perjury were ok (you don’t really need the 10 Commandments for those IMO), but it was about time people entering the court knew which god they had to worship and that it was bad form to covet your neighbors donkey. BTW, doesn’t a two-ton statue of the Commandments on display in the courthouse commons smack of idol worship? I thought that was a major point of disagreement between Protestants and Catholics – the whole statue of Mary thing.
After you climb down of that all mighty perch of yours. Think back on what you wrote and think. REally think for once and try and realise that I never advocated taking away rights, instead I advocated that what is happening in ALabama is wrong. Bodhi
As with Saur we’ll have to agree to disagree (however, on a far less cordial and respectful tone). For those of you out there who wonder why agnostics, atheists, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, etc. “overreact” to such things, it’s the though that people like Bodhi might someday have a say in our daily lives. His morality would be nirvana to him, but a hell for the rest of us and probably a hell for any moderate Christian in the end, once all the “big issues” were covered. Are we overreacting? Probably. But why go there in the first place when the Intent of Judge Moore is so clear and so overtly religious? Fortunately, I believe that among the majority of god fearing people there is a sense of fairness and moderation that would prevent a Christian Taliban from taking hold.
Charon Out
