Bohdi, misquoting and misinterperating does not do anyone any favors in a discussion.
Charon, I never said "degenerate minority". You put those words into my mouth. And you also accused me of being a Nazi... wrong again...
He didnt say you were a Nazi did he? If so, I don't see it, and comparing someone tactics to Nazi tactics does not constitute name calling. Comparisons can illuminate, can help make a point, or give a frame of reference. Sadly, I have to agree that some of the more fanatical rhetoric remind me of that type of mindset "its our way only, what we say is correct, and everyone else is wrong"
I have never advocated in ANY of my statements the removal of any one based on race, creed, or beliefs. I only advocated that the minority of this population who was anti-God grow up and look the other way.
To say if someone doesn't agree with you is "anti-God" is flat out assnine. Unless you are God of course. Just because some hold dear the concept of Seperation of Church and State, the freedom to believe as they would choose, and everyones right not to be forcefully exposed to religious monuments in taxpayer paid for government buildings does not make them evil.
You seem determined to drag this down to a race riot, if that's your idea, it is wasted. The problem with this "trump card" so often played is just that, it is too often played. I again state I have never done anything to warrant be called anti-minority and actually feel that I have done more to actually be friendly towards minorities. Unfortunately any time some one suggests something that goes against what the wonderous Rainbow
Coalition says, we get the "your a racist or a nazi" statement. Too bad that that organisation and it's zealots are so narrow minded and misled, if they actually worked for a goal instead of personal gain, they might actually effect some changes for good.
I dont see anyone making this a race issue but you.
Instead I choose to read the bible which I know to be the truth for me. If that is wrong or offends some of you, too damn bad, it is my right.
Read away, talk the talk, walk the walk. What you fail to grasp is some of us strongly feel everyone should be given that right, not reserved for Christians only.
For those of you advocating that this country was not founded by CHristians, think again. Of and that wonderous statement saying that our laws pagan beliefs, wrong again. This country actually came very close to adopting the language of Hebrew to be that much different from the
English. That said, it is also proven that the founding fathers very much believed in God and therefore allowed that belief to flow over into their writings.
This is so lacking in thought, I would hardly know where to begin.
Oh, and for the comment stating I have never read the Constitution or Bill of Rights because I made the statement "this Nation was founded under the idea of "ONE NATION UNDER GOD" get a clue. I used the statement to empasize the fact that this Nation was founded under God. Not that the constitution, Bill of Rights, and Pledge of Allegiance were one in the same. Learn to read.
Spend a little more time doing some research, prove your points with facts, not just your opinions or those of other who want to sway opinion.
Lastly, the Constitutional Ammendment 1 says that:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and
to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Alot of us can do a google search, and I think many of us are more than familiar with the Establishment Clause. Just like the Second ammendmant, without well defined context by the framers of the Constituion, we have a Supreme Court to interpret Constituional intent.
Nowhere in that statement does it say that a biblical writing can not be displayed on government property. Nor does displaying such a writing constitute the establishment of any religion over the state. What it does say is that the goverment CAN NOT prefer one religion over another,plain and simple.
Nowhere does it say you cant have sex in court, but that isn't appropriate either.
Putting a "10 Commandments" Monument in the court house (paid for by PRIVATE funds) was not a problem, taking it away because it offended a few lawyers is the wrong and a misguided action on the behalf of the high courts. Because if that one monument is wrong, then we had best remove the words God from EVERYTHING associated with the Government.
Damn you are amazing, you decide the high courts are misquided? Since it seems your education and life of study of the Constitution and our legal system is vastly superior to the Justices of the highest court in the land, maybe you should be appointed to the Chief Justice position so you can straighten out those misquided fools?
How about if I gather some private funds and have a huge sculpture of a hand given the finger? Would that be okay? So what if it offends a few right? Maybe the offended can look the other way, so I can worship my big statue of the finger.
I will maintain my statements of before in saying that this country is headed for disaster with the current moral fiber being perpetuated. Violence and wrong doings are so much the norm, that many people are losing sight of this. Unless Hollywood says it is so, most don't believe it. That said, looking at the America of 60 years ago, the moral fiber was stronger and of such a quality that our way of life was not only better, but emulated by the millions who still wished to emigrate to be a part of it.
"The sky is falling, the sky is falling"Our quality of life is better now than it has ever been. Less people die early deaths, more children than ever are afforded a decent education, less people live in poverty, more have access to medical care, women and minorities have protected rights that they were denied not long ago. I could go on and on, but when you choose to argue with unproven and flat out wrong statements, I realize you probably wont listen anyway.
Guess what, we are still emulated by millions, and you cant even begin to grasp the numbers of people who want to emigrate to our country.
I feel of greater danger to the future of our freedoms and our countries survival are those who are so darn sure they are right, they refuse to consider the rights, concerns and sensibilities of others.
dago
