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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Slamfire on September 23, 2008, 02:46:19 PM
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Barack Obama Encourages Supporters to Lie About His Gun Ban Record
In an appearance in Nevada, anti-gun presidential candidate Barack Obama told his followers: "I need you to go out and talk to your friends and talk to your neighbors. I want you to talk to them whether they are independent or whether they are Republican. I want you to argue with them and get in their face," he said.
Read all about it : http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Read.aspx?ID=4183 (http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Read.aspx?ID=4183)
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When the liberals decide to take a hard stance on crime, And they eliminate most of it, they can have my guns.
This will never happen...sooo..I'll keep my guns.
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Please read this thoroughly :)
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/nra_targets_obama.html
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Please read this thoroughly :)
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/nra_targets_obama.html
Please read this as well - factcheck.org has been debunked on that issue:
http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MmQ4ZTRiZGNkMTIwNTczODI5NjZlZDE0MjMyNDcxNDA= (http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MmQ4ZTRiZGNkMTIwNTczODI5NjZlZDE0MjMyNDcxNDA=)
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I see nothing wrong with what he told his supporters. If you believe in a candidate and his message you need to get into people's face and say so.
There seems to be no lack of it in here.
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I see nothing wrong with what he told his supporters. If you believe in a candidate and his message you need to get into people's face and say so.
There seems to be no lack of it in here.
Lies, aggression and intimidation... sounds like we'd get a wonderful administration out of him.
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FactCheck is a Liberal front supported by Liberal foundations including SOROS.
From FactCeck an Obama statement on firearms:
"will protect the rights of hunters and other law-abiding Americans to purchase, own, transport, and use guns."
Thats directly from the Brady and Dem talking points for BSing gun owners to lead them to beleive the 2nd is about hunting and to ally the fears of hunters.
They refuse to ally the fears of sef defence owners which is the majority of owners by making a direct statement:
"will protect the right of self defence as intended in the 2nd amendmant......
The Dems get some numbers of the Hunter vote due to this constitutional side step.
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Slamfire you really do read some of the most biased resources. The 2nd amendment will not be touched. There are bigger issues facing this country.
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Please read this thoroughly :)
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/nra_targets_obama.html
Also check this while you're at it - Factcheck.org's primary source of funding comes from the Annenburg Foundation (a pro-gun control lobby).
http://www.nraila.org/News/Read/NewsReleases.aspx?ID=11574 (http://www.nraila.org/News/Read/NewsReleases.aspx?ID=11574)
ALSO, Obama PERSONALLY EARMARKED 3.5 million for the Annenburg Foundation - see:
http://answercenter.barackobama.com/cgi-bin/barackobama.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=172&p_created=1205426026&p_sid=TNlxoC-i&p_accessibility=0&p_redirect=&p_lva=&p_sp=cF9zcmNoPTEmcF9zb3J0X2J5PSZwX2dyaWRzb3J0PSZwX3Jvd19jbnQ9MSwxJnBfcHJvZHM9JnBfY2F0cz (http://answercenter.barackobama.com/cgi-bin/barackobama.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=172&p_created=1205426026&p_sid=TNlxoC-i&p_accessibility=0&p_redirect=&p_lva=&p_sp=cF9zcmNoPTEmcF9zb3J0X2J5PSZwX2dyaWRzb3J0PSZwX3Jvd19jbnQ9MSwxJnBfcHJvZHM9JnBfY2F0cz)
Factcheck.org is in Obama's pocket.
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The Dem plan during this cycle, because in the last 2 it was part of why Gore and Kerry lost, is to not talk about gun control or even guns period. Then "IF" the Messaiha gets in the big house, the dems in the house and senate will drop gun control bills and trailers and amendments like a feather storm in a commercial chicken factory.
Gun control used to be a front plank on the Democrat election strategy. Its now been relegated to the poisen pill drawer in the dirty tricks legislation cabinent. It's been given a tax paid vacation in the bahamas for the dirty work waiting when it gets back to washington.
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Lies, aggression and intimidation... sounds like we'd get a wonderful administration out of him.
As opposed to a false pretense for war, extraordinary renditions worldwide, shredding the Geneva Convention and being able to hold US citizens in Cuba for indefinite periods of time without charging them for crimes.
It's a sickness of epic proportion that you can talk about lies and aggression - and not be talking about this administration.
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As opposed to a false pretense for war, extraordinary renditions worldwide, shredding the Geneva Convention and being able to hold US citizens in Cuba for indefinite periods of time without charging them for crimes.
It's a sickness of epic proportion that you can talk about lies and aggression - and not be talking about this administration.
Nice thread hijack :lol
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Slamfire you really do read some of the most biased resources. The 2nd amendment will not be touched. There are bigger issues facing this country.
Yes, like higher taxes!
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Also check this while you're at it - Factcheck.org's primary source of funding comes from the Annenburg Foundation (a pro-gun control lobby).
http://www.nraila.org/News/Read/NewsReleases.aspx?ID=11574 (http://www.nraila.org/News/Read/NewsReleases.aspx?ID=11574)
ALSO, Obama PERSONALLY EARMARKED 3.5 million for the Annenburg Foundation - see:
http://answercenter.barackobama.com/cgi-bin/barackobama.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=172&p_created=1205426026&p_sid=TNlxoC-i&p_accessibility=0&p_redirect=&p_lva=&p_sp=cF9zcmNoPTEmcF9zb3J0X2J5PSZwX2dyaWRzb3J0PSZwX3Jvd19jbnQ9MSwxJnBfcHJvZHM9JnBfY2F0cz (http://answercenter.barackobama.com/cgi-bin/barackobama.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=172&p_created=1205426026&p_sid=TNlxoC-i&p_accessibility=0&p_redirect=&p_lva=&p_sp=cF9zcmNoPTEmcF9zb3J0X2J5PSZwX2dyaWRzb3J0PSZwX3Jvd19jbnQ9MSwxJnBfcHJvZHM9JnBfY2F0cz)
Factcheck.org is in Obama's pocket.
lol
in his pocket now...
quotes from the nra...and did you even read the article that the nra linked to - the las vegas news article?
slams McCain more than anything
should read stuff before you link to it...
show mw ..a non nra article... where Obama said he will fight the second amendment
other than trying to ban assault rifles in urban areas...keep them out of criminal hands ...criminals should be worried about that..
he realizes to hunt deer you need to be able to pull off 60 rounds a second - so I am sure he will leave that alone
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lol
in his pocket now...
quotes from the nra...and did you even read the article that the nra linked to - the las vegas news article?
slams McCain more than anything
should read stuff before you link to it...
show mw ..a non nra article... where Obama said he will fight the second amendment
other than trying to ban assault rifles in urban areas...keep them out of criminal hands ...criminals should be worried about that..
he realizes to hunt deer you need to be able to pull off 60 rounds a second - so I am sure he will leave that alone
Never heard of a criminal with a gun that was worried about who was in office or what the penalties were for using it.
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other than trying to ban assault rifles in urban areas...keep them out of criminal hands ...criminals should be worried about that..
he realizes to hunt deer you need to be able to pull off 60 rounds a second - so I am sure he will leave that alone
Assault Rifles have been banned since 1986 (Hughes Amendment) - and have actually been HEAVILY REGULATED since 1934 (National Firearms Act).
You do not know what you are talking about and are blowing smoke.
Also, why would a criminal worry about the law - they already operate outside of it.
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where Obama said he will fight the second amendment
other than trying to ban assault rifles in urban areas...keep them out of criminal hands ...criminals should be worried about that..
he realizes to hunt deer you need to be able to pull off 60 rounds a second - so I am sure he will leave that alone
Well, let's see here..........
I guess you're saying just one more law will do it and keep the dreaded assault rifles out of criminal hands. I guess you feel there are insufficient laws on the books already to keep assault weapons out of criminal hands. I guess you feel that criminals actually worry about breaking the gun control laws.
I'd say that all three assumptions are so wrong that they indicate a general lack of knowledge in the entire urban firearm situation.
As for "pull off 60 rounds a second" I would hope you are aware that a fully automatic rifle falls into the category of a Class III weapon. Dare I assume that you know what a Class III weapon is and what the requirements are for posessing one? Dare I assume you are aware of the percentage of firearms crimes resulting in death or injury to someone that involve a Class III weapon?
My suspicion is that you do not.
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Well, let's see here..........
<S> As usual, well said Toad... he has no idea what he's talking about - he's just following Obama's orders (ie: get in people's faces and lie for the Dalai Bama)
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???? I suspect slamfire knows what an automatic weapon is.
I think his point is, to the liberal weenies, anything that looks like an m-16 or has a banana shaped clip is an assault rifle.
As long as it's one shot per squeeze it's just a rifle... no matter how evil it looks. What the liberal gun grabbers fail to realize is that in the hands of even the dumbest noob a single shot weapon is far more lethal to the intended target than a full auto weapon.
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As opposed to a false pretense for war, extraordinary renditions worldwide, shredding the Geneva Convention and being able to hold US citizens in Cuba for indefinite periods of time without charging them for crimes.
It's a sickness of epic proportion that you can talk about lies and aggression - and not be talking about this administration.
Whether I agree with you or not, well played sir!
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I have a banana clip. Holds 50 rounds. That = to 50 dead squirrels.
BTW I didn't see it posted, but that website is owned by the same group that Obama worked for in Chicago. I don't think they are trust worthy. To tell the truth I'm not totally sure about the NRA either. They can be a bit zealous.
On the other hand if you're going to be a dictator like Obama you can't have people armed.
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???? I suspect slamfire knows what an automatic weapon is.
I think his point is, to the liberal weenies, anything that looks like an m-16 or has a banana shaped clip is an assault rifle.
As long as it's one shot per squeeze it's just a rifle... no matter how evil it looks. What the liberal gun grabbers fail to realize is that in the hands of even the dumbest noob a single shot weapon is far more lethal to the intended target than a full auto weapon.
All true...
A standard deer rifle is also FAR MORE POWERFUL/DEADLIER than any Assault Rifle. It's completely amazing how utterly ignorant people are about firearms in this country... The Democrats know this, and use it to full advantage.
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What about the Messiahs new citizen army of young activists he's going to fund better than the militairy. Smells like 1920's german history all over again.
July 1926 - The Hitler Youth was formally established with Kurt Gruber as its leader.
August 19/20, 1927 - Gruber led 300 Hitler Youths in a march at the Nuremberg rally, earning a tribute from Hitler.
April 1929 - The Hitler Youth was declared the only official youth group of the Nazi Party.
July 1930 - The Bund Deutscher Mädel, the League of German Girls, was founded.
October 30, 1931 - Baldur von Schirach was appointed Nazi youth leader.
April 13, 1932 - The SA and the Hitler Youth were temporarily banned by the German Weimar government.
January 30, 1933 - Hitler was named Chancellor of Germany.<-------Messiah assends to the big house in Berlin.
Gee it only took 82 years for another messiaha to start it up again and anyone old enough to recognise it to be dead. This time it's a marxist rather than a national socialist. And the kids won't be blond haired and blue eye'd.
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What about the Messiahs new citizen army of young activists he's going to fund better than the militairy. Smells like 1920's german history all over again.
Yep we're seeing his true colors already with his call to followers to get into people's faces and intimidate them into submitting to "change they can be made into believing in".
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BTW, this is for all you people who do not know the difference between an Automatic and Semi-Automatic firearm.
Automatic:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nehgMK9NY08&feature=related
Semi-Automatic:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJb8lgjZ3-A&feature=related
Automatics are already effectively banned. Obama and Biden want to ban Semi-Automatics by trying to blur the public's perception between the two.
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Seriously this is a non-issue. The "gun-nuts" in this country are comical. They are the most paranoid bunch of people around. Living life afraid of your neighbor sounds really enjoyable. Like I said before, there are so many more issues you should be concerned about rather than the 2nd ammendment.
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Seriously this is a non-issue. The "gun-nuts" in this country are comical. They are the most paranoid bunch of people around. Living life afraid of your neighbor sounds really enjoyable. Like I said before, there are so many more issues you should be concerned about rather than the 2nd ammendment.
Seriously this is a non-issue. The "gun grabbers" in this country are comical. They are the most paranoid bunch of people around. Living life afraid of your law abiding neighbors with guns sounds really enjoyable. Like I said before, there are so many more issues you should be concerned about rather than the 2nd amendment.
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Seriously this is a non-issue. The "gun-nuts" in this country are comical. They are the most paranoid bunch of people around. Living life afraid of your neighbor sounds really enjoyable. Like I said before, there are so many more issues you should be concerned about rather than the 2nd ammendment.
Faithful adherence to the second is what makes it possible for you to be here discussing any of the others.
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Faithful adherence to the second is what makes it possible for you to be here discussing any of the others.
But to try to make people believe that a candidate is out to abolish the 2nd ammendment is what irks me. It's not going anywhere. Fear mongering is all that is happening.
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A quick check of my pocket guide to the US Constitution...........I don't see the word hunter or hunting in the 2nd Amendment
What If I as a citizen want an assault rifle? Why can't I have one?
EDIT:
It's not the candidate, it's the party as a whole!
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A quick check of my pocket guide to the US Constitution...........I don't see the word hunter or hunting in the 2nd Amendment
What If I as a citizen want an assault rifle? Why can't I have one?
EDIT:
It's not the candidate, it's the party as a whole!
Because the Democrats don't trust you. You're a "gun-nut" and need to submit to their change. So sayeth Barrack Hussein Obama (peace be unto him)
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Hang,
I bet twentylow is the kind of fair wind liberal sailor who makes sure when the sun goes down he's not walking alone in places like Oakland CA's 1400 foothill blvd to it's southern end. They don't care about your skin color, ideology or who you vote for down there.
Lock Smiths will not do night calls down there because the gangs used to call in a after hours lockout so they could rob the locksmith when he showed up. When I worked for Reed Brothers we lost the contents to one of our trucks at a stop light in broad daylight. Locksmith stopped for the light and a gang broke his window pulled him out and emptyed the truck with witnesses on the streets. Community Reinvesment recipiants who could not remember even what color the gang members skin was when the police interviewed them.
One elderly lady who may have been the grandmother of a few gang members herself told the police it was those d@md white boys again running down our good neighborhood. Month later my boss Randy Reed took a late night lockout call in the same area. Gang stopped by him at a light and shot him through his van door and drove away. Guess his tan wasn't dark enough and he voted for Clinton.....
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Lies, aggression and intimidation... sounds like we'd get a wonderful administration out of him.
Has a familiar ring to it, don't it?
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(http://www.nraila.org/images/grobama_tr.jpg)
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lol
sarcasm.... a useful tool to get right wing flapjaws to tie their undies in knots
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lol
sarcasm.... a useful tool to get right wing flapjaws to tie their undies in knots
No sarcasm sir, just facts.
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No sarcasm sir, just facts.
facts that the sheeple need to believe... all u do is point to right wing nut job articles - which don't even base anything of fact in them...to scare you into believing something you fear
funny to me how frightened of everything extreme right wingers are
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facts that the sheeple need to believe... all u do is point to right wing nut job articles - which don't even base anything of fact in them...to scare you into believing something you fear
funny to me how frightened of everything extreme right wingers are
Newbie.. your recognition skills need a refresher.
CAN YOU SPOT THE LIBERAL WHINERS?
(http://jordanmaxwell.com/articles/pictures/images/praying/Sheeple.jpg)
These are Sheeple.
(http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/052p8Ib2aqgLp/610x.jpg)
This is a gun nut.
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Any examination of Obamessiah's actual record on gun control leads to the obvious conclusion that he is completely and totally anti-gun. His lukewarm affirmations on the 2nd during this campaign not withstanding.
If anyone having studied his record thinks he is not anti-gun then they are simply in a state of denial.
There is nothing in his political history that shows strong support for gun rights.
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Seriously this is a non-issue. The "gun-nuts" in this country are comical. They are the most paranoid bunch of people around. Living life afraid of your neighbor sounds really enjoyable. Like I said before, there are so many more issues you should be concerned about rather than the 2nd ammendment.
You're not the sharpest tool in the shed are ya? The 2nd Amendment is the one that protects all the rest of them. If your neighbor is worthy of being afraid of, you will be afraid of him whether or not you possess a firearm. The difference being, if you DO possess a firearm, you will be able to defend yourself if need be from said neighbor.
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newbie and twnety foe.. look kids.. your thinking on what osamabinbiden wants for gun control show a few things about you.
You don't have a clue what your man thinks about gun control soooo.. it would follow that you don't really know much about anything he wants.
It also would follow that you don't care.. that no matter what he believes you simply don't care.
If he was no danger to gun owners of which there are more than 90 million of us.. Why then is there no gun maker.. seller or organization that supports him.. not only not support him.. but attack him on his position.
He has said that he does not believe in concealed carry for citizens. He has said that he does not believe in handguns or semi auto firearms for citizens. He supported the gun ban in DC before the SC ruling and has voted against the protection of lawful commerce bills for gun manufacturers.
He is F rated by the NRA who ... I don't care if you like them or not... You must admit..they have gun owners and members interest at heart. And.. I have never caught them in a lie.. that is much better record than any other organization I can think of. It has close to 5 million members who all vote.
lazs
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He is F rated by the NRA who ... I don't care if you like them or not... You must admit..they have gun owners and members interest at heart. And.. I have never caught them in a lie.. that is much better record than any other organization I can think of. It has close to 5 million members who all vote.
Exactly Lazs, people can cry about links to the NRA all they want. Fact is, the NRA is pretty accurate on which candidates are pro-gun and which aren't. Is the NRA zealous at times? Sure they are, and with good reason. Protecting the 2nd Amendment has become a full time job for the NRA from the likes of Charles Schumer, Nancy Pelosi, Barack Osama and Billary Clinton, all of whom would take away our guns one by one in the interests of saving us from ourselves.
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newbie and twnety foe.. look kids.. your thinking on what osamabinbiden wants for gun control show a few things about you.
You don't have a clue what your man thinks about gun control soooo.. it would follow that you don't really know much about anything he wants.
It also would follow that you don't care.. that no matter what he believes you simply don't care.
If he was no danger to gun owners of which there are more than 90 million of us.. Why then is there no gun maker.. seller or organization that supports him.. not only not support him.. but attack him on his position.
He has said that he does not believe in concealed carry for citizens. He has said that he does not believe in handguns or semi auto firearms for citizens. He supported the gun ban in DC before the SC ruling and has voted against the protection of lawful commerce bills for gun manufacturers.
He is F rated by the NRA who ... I don't care if you like them or not... You must admit..they have gun owners and members interest at heart. And.. I have never caught them in a lie.. that is much better record than any other organization I can think of. It has close to 5 million members who all vote.
lazs
This is what I will tell you
Extreme right wing stances... extreme finger pointing and extreme statements such as -- I will kill the person who attempts...--
makes the supporters of the republican look and sound like whack jobs...
and you still don't get it -- do you son?
It is not people like me - who say - hey hold down the rhetoric... quit making such absurb claims.. we don't all feel that way, there are much more important issues to talk about...there is not a chance in H that guns will be messed with... there is a whole friggin senate and congress to go through on that ..not to mention the most conservative supreme court in history
And you still don't get it... why do people shake their heads and go... jeez
And you still don't get it...
the foot stomping, the intardnet muscles in here and on other boards is laughable, makes all republicans sound like white trailer trash...
and you still don't get it...
He comes from an inner city environment where handguns and concealed weapons are a major concern.. why the H wouldn't he need to talk like that?
And you still don't get it...
The NRA has the same concerns..would love to find a solution to handgun problems in inner city america..it would lessen the pressures on control and rhetoric.but they actually have to say and do things that will not upset their core financial supporters...
and you still don't get it
Yeah i know how my thinking shows a little about me... too bad most of you still can't look in the mirror and figure out why the republican party needs you... but really doesn't want you
and you still don't get it
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No chance guns will be messed with? :rofl
What world do you live in?
Heller v DC passed the SC 5-4 in a narrow decision. DC ignored the decision to the point that the US House is about take action.
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No chance guns will be messed with? :rofl
What world do you live in?
Heller v DC passed the SC 5-4 in a narrow decision. DC ignored the decision to the point that the US House is about take action.
And how far in REALITY will it get?
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Handguns are not the issue, people are. There is no problem with handguns or any other gun. Try placing one (even loaded) on a table and wait for it to create a problem.
The only time a problem will occur is when a human being picks it up and uses it as a tool in a crime. The humans are the problem, not the gun itself. The gun is a tool that can be used for evil, good or simply recreational purposes.
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Handguns are not the issue, people are. There is no problem with handguns or any other gun. Try placing one (even loaded) on a table and wait for it to create a problem.
The only time a problem will occur is when a human being picks it up and uses it as a tool in a crime. The humans are the problem, not the gun itself. The gun is a tool that can be used for evil, good or simply recreational purposes.
Nice quote off a blog
you have any original thoughts on the subject?
That is the same thing having been said for decades... still not a solution
And I bet all you did was read the one line
Any comment on the rest of the post?
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The FACT is that Obama LIES about his position on the Second Amendment. He has never voted in support of the right of citizens to be armed. He has never done ANYTHING in support of the right of citizens to be armed. And yet he claims not to want to take away guns from citizens.
I've explained this clearly once, I'll do it again here.
IF Obama wins, it is likely that Democrats will attain a solid majority in Congress on his coat tails.
Not only is it LIKELY that a Congress with a solid majority of Democrats will at least attempt to enact more gun laws, it is almost a certainty, as it has happened nearly every time they have held a majority since the sixties.
Obama would not only not veto an attack on the Second Amendment in Congress, he'd jump at the chance to sign the bill.
Obama would be very likely to have the chance to appoint at least two, and as many as four United States Supreme Court Justices. Obama, given that opportunity, will certainly nominate liberal anti-gun candidates.
The Congress, with a solid Democrat majority, would jump at the chance to affirm those candidates Obama would nominate.
Under those circumstances, the Second Amendment and the gun rights of citizens would be in more danger than they have been in the history of this nation.
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Nice quote off a blog
you have any original thoughts on the subject?
That is the same thing having been said for decades... still not a solution
And I bet all you did was read the one line
Any comment on the rest of the post?
Now we see. You are seeking a "solution" to a "problem". And rather than deal with the human root of the problem, you see gun laws as the solution. And yet you attempt to hide this stance by carefully disguising it behind a cloud of generalizations and ambiguity. Sort of like Obama. Not at all surprising.
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Nice quote off a blog
you have any original thoughts on the subject?
That is the same thing having been said for decades... still not a solution
And I bet all you did was read the one line
Any comment on the rest of the post?
I didn't quote that from a blog, I made it up all by myself. Thank you very much.
I could care less about the rest of your post. :D
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In REALITY the Heller decision got within ONE vote..ONE. That was Kennedy. Failure would have been the end of the individual right to keep and bear arms. I'd say that is extremely close.
Then, in REALITY, you had the Mayor of DC ignore the SC ruling.
In REALITY the US House had to step in to try to get DC to follow an SC ruling. (See the National Capital Security and Safety Act, H.R. 6842)
In REALITY it is very clear that it will get VERY FAR if Obamessiah and a Democratically controlled House and Senate have a clear field to enforce their anti-gun viewpoint.
Obamessiah's entire legislative record is anti-gun. Indisputable.
That's the REALITY of it.
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Factcheck.org FAILS on Obama and 2nd Amendment:
http://www.volokh.com/posts/1222201928.shtml (http://www.volokh.com/posts/1222201928.shtml)
Recite party slogans all you like, Obaminions... The fact is Obama is a liar when it comes to his position on the 2nd amendment.
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That's a fact. I keep at least 3 loaded firearms in my home at all times, plus 1 that I carry loaded in my truck at all times, and not one of them has ever jumped up all on it's own and tried to shoot me or anyone else.
What I find the most disturbing about the folks like Obama, Clinton, and Pelosi, that want to ban certain types of firearms, is the fact that they have NO clue what they are even talking about when it comes to those weapons. What I mean by that statement is they have no technical knowledge of how the weapons operate. They want to ban weapons because of how they look!? They want to ban semi automatic handguns!? They just don't understand what it is they are saying. Here is a little news flash. There is no such thing as a semi auto handgun. You have revolvers and automatics. Automatics operate in a semi automatic mode of operation, but that isn't a class of weapon, but they would have you believe it is by the way they talk.
Point being, as a gun owner, and avid sport shooter, if someone wants to try and convince me that a ban on my weapons is a good idea, they better come to me with accurate knowledge on the subject, and be able to convince me they fully understand what it is they're trying to tell me. That has NEVER been the case though, so I fall back on my original position when dealing with extreamists that think gun bans, and anti gun views make sense, with my own brand or extreamism, and that is, you want them, come and try to take them from me personally.
I know enough about firearms to have a sensible and knowledgable conversation and debate about a whole slew of weapons, but it's going to take allot more than "they look evil, or it's a military style weapon, or guns are only made to kill people" to convince me that I should turn in my weapons.
Obama has voted for every gun control meassure that has crossed his desk with no regard to the Constitution or the 2nd Amendment. And he supposedly worked in Constitutional Law? Give me a break.
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I didn't quote that from a blog, I made it up all by myself. Thank you very much.
I could care less about the rest of your post. :D
lol
you go girl
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so the reality as shown in all of these posts is
Gun control is the only issue that is important to republicans?
The republican party needs you... but as a whole really wish they didn't ... there are more important issues that need to be discussed and disected
and you still don't get it
Reality... it bites you in the A** when all you do is focus in one direction
and you still don't get it
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lol
you go girl
Always gotta slip an insult in don't ya? :)
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so the reality as shown in all of these posts is
Gun control is the only issue that is important to republicans?
The republican party needs you... but as a whole really wish they didn't ... there are more important issues that need to be discussed and disected
and you still don't get it
Reality... it bites you in the A** when all you do is focus in one direction
and you still don't get it
Protecting our rights and freedom is the most important thing to some of us here in the O'Club. That should come first for all of us as Americans. Everything else comes in a distant second. That is something I doubt you will ever get.
Go check up on history, the easiest and best way to completely control any given population is to remove their ability to defend themselves and to overthrow their government. It doesn't matter if the peoples tools were swords and spears or guns and bullets, take them away and the government has free rein to act in as evil a manner an the human mind can devise.
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so the reality as shown in all of these posts is
Gun control is the only issue that is important to republicans?
The republican party needs you... but as a whole really wish they didn't ... there are more important issues that need to be discussed and disected
and you still don't get it
Reality... it bites you in the A** when all you do is focus in one direction
and you still don't get it
You don't get it. The reality is we have plebty of issue we can discuss and worry about. The fact that we keep bringing this one up is because it is a Constitutional right that you boy would love to see go away, and that makes it a hot topic issue.
Yes the economy is in the crapper, but the Constitution doesn't have anything to do with the economy.
Health Care is a big issue but it has nothing to do with the Constitution.
Plenty of other excamples I could point out but I hope you see the direction I'm going with this.
Of ALL the issues that need attention NONE, NONE require more serious attention that protecting our rights under the Constitution.
If you can't understand that, then who really has the problem of not getting it?
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You don't get it. The reality is we have plebty of issue we can discuss and worry about. The fact that we keep bringing this one up is because it is a Constitutional right that you boy would love to see go away, and that makes it a hot topic issue.
Yes the economy is in the crapper, but the Constitution doesn't have anything to do with the economy.
Health Care is a big issue but it has nothing to do with the Constitution.
Plenty of other excamples I could point out but I hope you see the direction I'm going with this.
Of ALL the issues that need attention NONE, NONE require more serious attention that protecting our rights under the Constitution.
If you can't understand that, then who really has the problem of not getting it?
He'll just come back with a series of one liners, every other one being....and you still don't get it.....and then point to this post and complain that it is only one line. :D
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He'll just come back with a series of one liners, every other one being....and you still don't get it.....and then point to this post and complain that it is only one line. :D
lol Elfie
your shorts are in a knot... you are the classic one liner.. too bad you need to copy my posts and claim them for your own..like i said before...get an original thought and express it..
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so the reality as shown in all of these posts is
Gun control is the only issue that is important to republicans?
The republican party needs you... but as a whole really wish they didn't ... there are more important issues that need to be discussed and disected
and you still don't get it
Reality... it bites you in the A** when all you do is focus in one direction
and you still don't get it
No, the reality shown by these posts is that you have no idea what you are talking about.
No, gun control isn't the ONLY issue. However, those of us who are smart enough to study history know that gun control IS one of the MOST important, and MAY be THE most important issues. We understand that citizens who allow themselves to be disarmed become slaves to their "elected" masters. We understand that it is the Second Amendment that gives the rest of the Constitution teeth.
Actually, the Republican party is glad to have us.
There are other important issues to be discussed. And we do. And you still don't "get" them either.
Reality is a concept you have no grasp on. You will be the one reality consumes, which end it starts on will not be an issue.
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I think newbie is afraid of guns falling into in the paws of depressed kittens.
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f234/azwoodyjh/cat2020gun-704528.jpg)
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lol Elfie
your shorts are in a knot... you are the classic one liner.. too bad you need to copy my posts and claim them for your own..like i said before...get an original thought and express it..
I would never claim your posts for my own. Seriously? Why would I since I don't agree with most of what you post?
Why are you so worried about my posting style? Don't try to claim you aren't since you gripe about it constantly. :)
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Newbie is going for the drive-by liberal whiner award. Somebody tell him Jon Stewart already got the emmy.
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I think newbie is afraid of guns falling into in the paws of depressed kittens.
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f234/azwoodyjh/cat2020gun-704528.jpg)
Wow... nice High-Power... I gotta get me one of them before Obama bans them...
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That is the same thing having been said for decades... still not a solution
Be quiet Nwbie, the Big People are talking.
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Be quiet Nwbie, the Big People are talking.
Aren't you late for snack time?
Recess is over
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I think newbie is afraid of guns falling into in the paws of depressed kittens.
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f234/azwoodyjh/cat2020gun-704528.jpg)
Remember - it was a gag gift - still needs to be returned
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No, the reality shown by these posts is that you have no idea what you are talking about.
No, gun control isn't the ONLY issue. However, those of us who are smart enough to study history know that gun control IS one of the MOST important, and MAY be THE most important issues. We understand that citizens who allow themselves to be disarmed become slaves to their "elected" masters. We understand that it is the Second Amendment that gives the rest of the Constitution teeth.
Actually, the Republican party is glad to have us.
There are other important issues to be discussed. And we do. And you still don't "get" them either.
Reality is a concept you have no grasp on. You will be the one reality consumes, which end it starts on will not be an issue.
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/amendment04/
well since as a far right wing republican you have no problem with this one being totally abused right now ... how far down the road do you think it will be before the one you are currently obsessing about will be justified under the abuses being used right now
No.. Republicans need you
they don't want you... they want thinkers ...not sheeple and foot stompers
you just don't get it
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http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/amendment04/
well since as a far right wing republican you have no problem with this one being totally abused right now ... how far down the road do you think it will be before the one you are currently obsessing about will be justified under the abuses being used right now
No.. Republicans need you
they don't want you... they want thinkers ...not sheeple and foot stompers
you just don't get it
So, I'm a far right wing Republican? And I have no problem with abuses of the Fourth Amendment?
And YOU have determined this HOW, and by WHAT means?
Oh, and I'm not a "thinker"? Why? Because I do not agree with you?
No, it is YOU who "doesn't get it".
When you wish to discuss an issue, as opposed to making trite, unfounded assumptions, and affixing labels to people you do not know, let someone know.
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So, I'm a far right wing Republican? And I have no problem with abuses of the Fourth Amendment?
And YOU have determined this HOW, and by WHAT means?
Oh, and I'm not a "thinker"? Why? Because I do not agree with you?
No, it is YOU who "doesn't get it".
When you wish to discuss an issue, as opposed to making trite, unfounded assumptions, and affixing labels to people you do not know, let someone know.
goes both ways Virgil
so you do have a problem with abuses of the fourth amendment?
enlighten me... the second amendment discussion is ummm.. wel never has and never will be a discussion per se.. but maybe the fourth amendment may be a start
I could take the time to go through all of your posts.. copy and paste .. and say - ok there .. there .. there...
but i doubt i will find any posts referring to the fourth amendment abuses and where it is leading... so... go ahead
I apologize to calling you an extreme right winger .. it was a slam.. i know..
lets just say i picture you seeing more to starboard ... and you see me seeing more to port... funny thing though...
You really have no clue what my political affiliation is... what i do for a living... how much political experience i have.. none...you know nada...
You may guess... but that is all it is.. just like me - i guess... ,, H** - i could be Obama pulling your strings... or i could be a delegate to a convention that took place in Minn recently...
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Gun control is just one issue of many that conservatives and libertarians keep under observation. As a constitutional issue, it is a primary one.
It must be easy for you to simply dismiss everyone that doesn't agree with you as unable to "get it". Most liberals are like that. While a libertarian really doesn't care what YOU think because he figures you have a right to think however you like it seems a liberal just can't stand it when someone doesn't agree with him.
I think this thread is proof.
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Well for the sake of trying to make this discussion based off actual knowledge how about a short quiz?
1. How many anti gun bills has Obama opposed?
2. What are the technical differences between an M-16 rifle and an AR-15 rifle?
3. What is a class III Federal Firearms License for?
4. What did the "Assult Weapons Ban" accomplish?
5. In the original assult weapons ban, what were the criteria used to determine what was and was not an assult rifle?
6. Is an AR-15 rifle less lethal when the flash suppressor, and collapsible stock is removed?
7. What is the difference between a semi automatic and an automatic handgun?
8. What is an "illegal" handgun?
Easy questions, and I would bet a months pay Obama couldn't answer a single one correctly.
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Well for the sake of trying to make this discussion based off actual knowledge how about a short quiz?
1. How many anti gun bills has Obama opposed?
2. What are the technical differences between an M-16 rifle and an AR-15 rifle?
3. What is a class III Federal Firearms License for?
4. What did the "Assult Weapons Ban" accomplish?
5. In the original assult weapons ban, what were the criteria used to determine what was and was not an assult rifle?
6. Is an AR-15 rifle less lethal when the flash suppressor, and collapsible stock is removed?
7. What is the difference between a semi automatic and an automatic handgun?
8. What is an "illegal" handgun?
Easy questions, and I would bet a months pay Obama couldn't answer a single one correctly.
You would lose that bet-- send him an email with that bet - i dare you
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You would lose that bet-- send him an email with that bet - i dare you
How about I bet you to answer them? Give it your best shot.
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You would lose that bet-- send him an email with that bet - i dare you
An email? What? So he can have a staffer go look it all up for him?
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How about I bet you to answer them? Give it your best shot.
Here's a good one for ya Hornet,
The failed 2007 Assault Weapons Ban bill was sponsored by Representative Carolyn McCarthy of New York - it was basically a repeat of Biden's now expired Assault Weapon Ban (poison pilled inside the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994).
When interviewed by MSNBC's Tucker Carlson, she was asked to explain the need to regulate barrel shrouds (one of the many provisions of the Act).
She responded that "more importantly the legislation would ban large capacity clips used in the Virginia Tech massacre and that the class of guns chosen were those used by gangs and police killers". After admitting that she did not know what a barrel shroud was, she ventured a guess, "I believe it is a shoulder thing that goes up".
:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :)
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That's exactly what I'm talking about. They want to ban all these things and they don't even know what it is they are trying to ban.
Idiots the lot of them.
I'll bet Nwbie is googling his butt off right now trying to find the answers because he doesn't know. :rofl
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That's exactly what I'm talking about. They want to ban all these things and they don't even know what it is they are trying to ban.
Idiots the lot of them.
I'll bet Nwbie is googling his butt off right now trying to find the answers because he doesn't know. :rofl
And because Nwbie will almost certainly not believe the above anecdote, here it is on video for all to see :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rGpykAX1fo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rGpykAX1fo)
Here's another one on "heat seeking bullets" :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRQqieimwLQ&feature=related
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newbie.. lets get to the heart of it... You claim that gun control is just a minor issue that is not in the least important and just gets in the way of us hicks making a good decision on soooooooo many more important issues.
Ok... Lets come together on this.. lets all unite and come together and get rid of most of the gun control laws we have now and have your party stop attacking our second amendment rights.
Once they stop doing that.. we can move on to other issues but for most of us... that is the most important.. right up there with freedom of speech.. which would include not making some words "hate" words.
As for me "threatening" to kill people... well.. I would ask you to quote me accurately and if you did you would see that I was correct and that stopping someone, even to the point (if needed) of killing that someone to retain your human, god given individual rights is simply a moral way to be.
To simply role over is immoral.
lazs
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http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/amendment04/
well since as a far right wing republican you have no problem with this one being totally abused right now ... how far down the road do you think it will be before the one you are currently obsessing about will be justified under the abuses being used right now
No.. Republicans need you
they don't want you... they want thinkers ...not sheeple and foot stompers
you just don't get it
And this is why the 2nd far out weighs the 4th because the government abuses the 4th by declairing special needs or superior interest in violating your property(confiscating your guns during a search). Seems the Mayor of New Orelaens and the Governor of LA used this as their rational in the Katrina gun confiscations which were subsiquently found ilegal by the courts. Some numbers of states amended their statutes to keep their own government from being able to disarm their citizens in a state of emergency. Or for "special needs".
Special needs has been the unspoken silent tool the Liberals\Democrats have been quietly trying to use at the state and local levels to ban and confiscate all firearms. Remember kalifornias assault wheapon registration then overnight ban and confiscation? Ultimently the california Liberal\Democrat controled state government decalired a "special need" and "superior interest" to the rights of We the People. Now they are using it to target ammunition and technical design specifications for semiauto handguns.
Below is from FindLaw a discussion about why and how the government superceeds your 4thA rights with impunity. The Patriot Act is no worse then in the past the government declairing a "special need" or "superior interest". The Patriot Act just dressed the process up like a San Fran drag queen so you could feel better about taking one in the kester.
Property Subject to Seizure .
--There has never been any doubt that search warrants could be issued for the seizure of contraband and the fruits and instrumentalities of crime. 126 But in Gouled v. United States, 127 a unanimous Court limited the classes of property subject to seizures to these three and refused to permit a seizure of ''mere evidence,'' in this instance defendant's papers which were to be used as evidence against him at trial.
The Court recognized that there was ''no special sanctity in papers, as distinguished from other forms of property, to render them immune from search and seizure,'' 128 but their character as evidence rendered them immune. This immunity ''was based upon the dual, related premises that historically the right to search for and seize property depended upon the assertion by the Government of a valid claim of superior interest, and that it was not enough that the purpose of the search and seizure was to obtain evidence to use in apprehending and convicting criminals.''
129 More evaded than followed, the ''mere evidence'' rule was overturned in 1967. 130 It is now settled that such evidentiary items as fingerprints, 131 blood, 132 urine samples, 133 fingernail and skin scrapings, 134 voice and handwriting exemplars, 135 conversations, 136 and other demonstrative evidence may be obtained through the warrant process or without a warrant where ''special needs'' of government are shown.
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How about I bet you to answer them? Give it your best shot.
"Easy questions, and I would bet a months pay Obama couldn't answer a single one correctly"
why?
are you backing away from your statement?
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newbie.. lets get to the heart of it... You claim that gun control is just a minor issue that is not in the least important and just gets in the way of us hicks making a good decision on soooooooo many more important issues.
Ok... Lets come together on this.. lets all unite and come together and get rid of most of the gun control laws we have now and have your party stop attacking our second amendment rights.
Once they stop doing that.. we can move on to other issues but for most of us... that is the most important.. right up there with freedom of speech.. which would include not making some words "hate" words.
As for me "threatening" to kill people... well.. I would ask you to quote me accurately and if you did you would see that I was correct and that stopping someone, even to the point (if needed) of killing that someone to retain your human, god given individual rights is simply a moral way to be.
To simply role over is immoral.
lazs
And what is my party?
Gun control laws? Registration? why is that a problem? restricting non licensed gun dealers - such as at gun shows?--wait program to make sure already known convicted felons do not have access to weapons easily...? why is that a problem?...most regular republicans do not have a problem with any of that... its not a party / party difference... it is a need a well armed militia problem... but there ...who is attacking your sovereign borders that you need a well armed militia?.. the resulting perception then is that it is your federal government that you are afraid of...the guy you want to vote for is going to be the federal government if he wins...now what happens?
And if you think the problems going on right now with the financial markets ...is not more important for your grandchild and your grandchild's children...then whether or not you have something to make your own bullets for...well all I can say is ...hope those guns sell well in the garage sale...but probably not..no one will be able to buy them...
The base republican party member does not have the concerns you have...they are worried about the quality of life and the life they can pass on to their children... if you want to lock yourself up in the forest and shoot all comers ...have at it.... it is your choice...The base republican member hopes you do and stays away from his family
And I know there will be the finger pointing and stomping that it is run by a liberal...Obama run web site..yada yada...total crap..but I think this is a very good interpretation of the facts...
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/nra_targets_obama.html
And last but not least
"bongboy.. I am all for polite debate but.. the minute you think you can vote for someone to take away my right to own firearms.. it is no longer debate.. you are the enemy. If killing you would end the attack on my second amendment rights I would do it without hesitation. It would be a sad thing but it would be necessary.
You can't say that you want someone in that wants to take away my rights and not expect such a reaction.
lazs"
so you think it is "logical" and morally right to kill someone because they would vote for someone you don't agree with?
Especially because you believe all the bs that is mailed to you?
I quoted it exactly - actualy copied and pasted it...heck why don't you copy it and take it to the priest at the school where you send your grandchild and discuss it with him..don't bring your gun...he may disagree with you...and heck you know where that has to lead..its your non hesitation belief...
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"Easy questions, and I would bet a months pay Obama couldn't answer a single one correctly"
why?
are you backing away from your statement?
Not at all, however you seem to think he could, so how about you give it a try as well to answer those 8 simple little questions. You've been pretty vocal in this thread. More along the lines of gun control is a good thing and those of us opposed to the idea of gun control are weak minded and out of touch. So how about impressing us with your knowledge of the subject and answer those questions that I know Obama couldn't answer. Your post you made right after this one shows you don't know what the issues are regarding the 2nd since you started talking about the entire militia thing. Heller vs DC already ended that debate. The 2nd isn't about militias, it's an individual right. My right. Your right. Everyones right to own a firearm, that is unless you've had your rights taken away by being convicted of a crime through due proccess and that's allowed in the Constitution so in those cases I have no problems. The problems come in when the anti gun nuts start trying to legislate new laws to prevent me, a law abiding citizen, from being able to own a firearm without due proccess with regards to the Constitution, and that's what laws like the Assult Weapons Ban, and all the others do. Those strip me of my rights without due proccess and are un Constitutional.
Lets see if you actually know what it is your talking about or if your just spewing the party line like you boy does all the time. Take a shot at those questions.
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The "average" Republican is staunchly pro Second Amendment. Just because someone is hard core in support of the Second Amendment does not mean they want to live in the woods and shoot everyone. The only people making statements like that are arrogant fools. We have all the "sane gun regulation" we need and then some, most of it unenforced by idiots demanding we pass more laws.
There is no such thing as a "non licensed gun dealer", either. If you believe that they exist, you have never been to a gun show, and you know NOTHING of the BATFE. And I mean NOTHING. Before you go spouting off the stupidity you keep tossing out, I DARE you to TRY to become a gun dealer. Better yet, I DARE you to come to a gun show and TRY to set up as an "unlicensed gun dealer". I'll see you in 20 years. Because the BATFE will keep the case tied up while you sit in jail for 2-3 years. Then they'll drag it out some more while they have every other agency take your life apart. THEN you go to trial. AFTER they take everything you own.
Become a licensed gun dealer. Then the BATFE can come to your HOME, at 2AM, and completely destroy it looking for ANYTHING they dream up, and even if they find NOTHING, you are responsible for any and all damages and clean up, they leave, and YOU pick up the pieces. If they shoot your dog, and traumatize your wife and children, you have NO RECOURSE. And since you claim are a big supporter of the FOURTH Amendment, you might note that they do not even need a warrant, because they have your dealer license. Know what they have to find to take your license, your home, your business, and everything you own? And send you to prison? ONE improperly recorded transfer. It does not have to be actually improper by itself, just improperly recorded. They can just TAKE all of your records, and any gun you may have in your possession, and go to their office and examine them, they do not even have to sign for them. How about that for "sane gun regulation"?
I don't think you have the slightest idea of the gun laws already on the books, and how they can be enforced, at the whim of ANY government official, at ANY time.
Show me ONE pro gun vote by Obama. Show me ONE pro gun amicus brief written by Obama.
The truth is, you have no idea what an "average" Republican is. You have no idea who the Republican base is. You'd just like to THINK you do. I AM an average Republican. I own my own business. I own my own home. I am a moderate conservative. I am a fiscal conservative. And I support the WHOLE CONSTITUTION, as it is WRITTEN.
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The "average" Republican is staunchly pro Second Amendment. Just because someone is hard core in support of the Second Amendment does not mean they want to live in the woods and shoot everyone. The only people making statements like that are arrogant fools. We have all the "sane gun regulation" we need and then some, most of it unenforced by idiots demanding we pass more laws.
There is no such thing as a "non licensed gun dealer", either. If you believe that they exist, you have never been to a gun show, and you know NOTHING of the BATFE. And I mean NOTHING. Before you go spouting off the stupidity you keep tossing out, I DARE you to TRY to become a gun dealer. Better yet, I DARE you to come to a gun show and TRY to set up as an "unlicensed gun dealer". I'll see you in 20 years. Because the BATFE will keep the case tied up while you sit in jail for 2-3 years. Then they'll drag it out some more while they have every other agency take your life apart. THEN you go to trial. AFTER they take everything you own.
Become a licensed gun dealer. Then the BATFE can come to your HOME, at 2AM, and completely destroy it looking for ANYTHING they dream up, and even if they find NOTHING, you are responsible for any and all damages and clean up, they leave, and YOU pick up the pieces. If they shoot your dog, and traumatize your wife and children, you have NO RECOURSE. And since you claim are a big supporter of the FOURTH Amendment, you might note that they do not even need a warrant, because they have your dealer license. Know what they have to find to take your license, your home, your business, and everything you own? And send you to prison? ONE improperly recorded transfer. It does not have to be actually improper by itself, just improperly recorded. They can just TAKE all of your records, and any gun you may have in your possession, and go to their office and examine them, they do not even have to sign for them. How about that for "sane gun regulation"?
I don't think you have the slightest idea of the gun laws already on the books, and how they can be enforced, at the whim of ANY government official, at ANY time.
By the way, I doubt you are aware that the BATFE can re-write the rules and regulations on gun sales, gun manufacturing, and even gun repair or modification, without Congressional or judicial approval or oversight. They can change their own enforcement policy and practices as well.
Show me ONE pro gun vote by Obama. Show me ONE pro gun amicus brief written by Obama.
The truth is, you have no idea what an "average" Republican is. You have no idea who the Republican base is. You'd just like to THINK you do. I AM an average Republican. I own my own business. I own my own home. I am a moderate conservative. I am a fiscal conservative. And I support the WHOLE CONSTITUTION, as it is WRITTEN.
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newbie.. yes.. if you had the guts to come and try to take my guns away I would tell you no.. if you tried to do it by force I would use force.. unto death.. to stop you. You have a strange idea of freedom.. it is classic democracy I guess where no individual rights are sacred so long as you can get enough people to vote to take them away.
The second amedment is part of our bill of rights. It says nothing about hunting nor does it say that it is there only for guard duty at the border.. It is an individual right and, as the supreme court has said.. it is for us to use to protect ourselves and others.
If you try to take that right, the ability to defend myself and mine (and others) from me then you are a threat unto death to me. All means of force are appropriate to stop you and are exactly what the founders felt was the right way to be.
You do not get to vote individual rights away.. that is the whole point of our government.
But what is most telling is you feeling threatened.. If you tried to take my means of defense then it is you who are the attacker.. leave me alone and you have nothing to worry about.. I am not threat to you until you initiate the attack.
That is the whole problem with the blue and red state country we live in.. the blue state metrosexuals and taxi riders won't... can't.. leave us alone..
lazs
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leave me alone and you have nothing to worry about.. I am not threat to you until you initiate the attack.
lazs
You are a threat at all times because you will not agree, conform and submit. He must attack you.
(http://www.creativepro.com/files/story_images/012904_fg1.jpg)
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newbie.. yes.. if you had the guts to come and try to take my guns away I would tell you no.. if you tried to do it by force I would use force.. unto death.. to stop you. You have a strange idea of freedom.. it is classic democracy I guess where no individual rights are sacred so long as you can get enough people to vote to take them away.
The second amedment is part of our bill of rights. It says nothing about hunting nor does it say that it is there only for guard duty at the border.. It is an individual right and, as the supreme court has said.. it is for us to use to protect ourselves and others.
If you try to take that right, the ability to defend myself and mine (and others) from me then you are a threat unto death to me. All means of force are appropriate to stop you and are exactly what the founders felt was the right way to be.
You do not get to vote individual rights away.. that is the whole point of our government.
But what is most telling is you feeling threatened.. If you tried to take my means of defense then it is you who are the attacker.. leave me alone and you have nothing to worry about.. I am not threat to you until you initiate the attack.
That is the whole problem with the blue and red state country we live in.. the blue state metrosexuals and taxi riders won't... can't.. leave us alone..
lazs
lol
you talk to that priest yet?
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Questions need answers, you going to take a shot at them or not?
I'm asking you Nwbie to answer those questions.
Can you?
Yes or No is all I need back from you.
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It'll either be "Yes, just give me time to google the answers" or "no" or he'll just continue to ignore you.
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Not at all, however you seem to think he could, so how about you give it a try as well to answer those 8 simple little questions. You've been pretty vocal in this thread. More along the lines of gun control is a good thing and those of us opposed to the idea of gun control are weak minded and out of touch. So how about impressing us with your knowledge of the subject and answer those questions that I know Obama couldn't answer. Your post you made right after this one shows you don't know what the issues are regarding the 2nd since you started talking about the entire militia thing. Heller vs DC already ended that debate. The 2nd isn't about militias, it's an individual right. My right. Your right. Everyones right to own a firearm, that is unless you've had your rights taken away by being convicted of a crime through due proccess and that's allowed in the Constitution so in those cases I have no problems. The problems come in when the anti gun nuts start trying to legislate new laws to prevent me, a law abiding citizen, from being able to own a firearm without due proccess with regards to the Constitution, and that's what laws like the Assult Weapons Ban, and all the others do. Those strip me of my rights without due proccess and are un Constitutional.
Lets see if you actually know what it is your talking about or if your just spewing the party line like you boy does all the time. Take a shot at those questions.
send him the email with your months pay check
then ask me
It was your statement
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newbie.. yes.. if you had the guts to come and try to take my guns away I would tell you no.. if you tried to do it by force I would use force.. unto death.. to stop you. You have a strange idea of freedom.. it is classic democracy I guess where no individual rights are sacred so long as you can get enough people to vote to take them away.
The second amedment is part of our bill of rights. It says nothing about hunting nor does it say that it is there only for guard duty at the border.. It is an individual right and, as the supreme court has said.. it is for us to use to protect ourselves and others.
If you try to take that right, the ability to defend myself and mine (and others) from me then you are a threat unto death to me. All means of force are appropriate to stop you and are exactly what the founders felt was the right way to be.
You do not get to vote individual rights away.. that is the whole point of our government.
But what is most telling is you feeling threatened.. If you tried to take my means of defense then it is you who are the attacker.. leave me alone and you have nothing to worry about.. I am not threat to you until you initiate the attack.
That is the whole problem with the blue and red state country we live in.. the blue state metrosexuals and taxi riders won't... can't.. leave us alone..
lazs
your boast and failed attempt at bravado
As for guns and what they are to me... you actually know nothing
as for if i wanted to vote differently than what someone with a Stalinist approach to life, because I would be a threat to his freedoms, which would give him the right to end my freedoms.. ya know like Fidel, Hitler, Noriega, kill em if they refuse to see it my way...
Everyone has a right to vote for whoever they want, that is a democratic society, whereas you want to be an isolationist ... have at it... .. and i don't give a licorice whip crap who or why you vote... i promise not to threaten your life in any way or means.. As for fear.. no.. Intardnet muscles and blowhards do not make me quake in fear.. it is the ignorance of what is actually happening around you that does...
But, If you did kill someone because they wanted to vote differently than you
LOL.. I would bet that "Supreme Court Right" --"If you try to take that right, the ability to defend myself and mine (and others) from me then you are a threat unto death to me. All means of force are appropriate to stop you and are exactly what the founders felt was the right way to be."
I bet that right in court would go about as far as... The judge and prosecuter asking for a mental competency hearing first before any trial proceedings would go forth... but hey.. I am sure that if you scream loud enough that the Supreme Court said you had the right to kill someone that voted differently from you.. someone would listen and agree... they may be wearing straightjackets too.. but hey.. they at least agree..
But I know you aren't that nuts... .... are you?
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send him the email with your months pay check
then ask me
It was your statement
Well that answered my question. You think "sensible" gun laws are ok, yet you know nothing about the subject you wish to regulate. Just like Obama.
But one last time, I'll bet YOU Nwbie, that you cannot answer those questions accurately. I'm not e-mailing anything to Obama for his staff to screw up, but I am asking YOU. If I ever get a chance to speak to Obama face to face I'll be sure to lay down that bet though and then take great pleasure in watching him squirm and make a total bellybutton out of himself.
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Well that answered my question. You think "sensible" gun laws are ok, yet you know nothing about the subject you wish to regulate. Just like Obama.
But one last time, I'll bet YOU Nwbie, that you cannot answer those questions accurately. I'm not e-mailing anything to Obama for his staff to screw up, but I am asking YOU. If I ever get a chance to speak to Obama face to face I'll be sure to lay down that bet though and then take great pleasure in watching him squirm and make a total bellybutton out of himself.
rofl
No... i refuse to answer your questions.. because you are not a person who holds fast to his word... you back off.. you point in different directions.. you stomp your feet and say -no fair!!!..
If i answered your questions.. i would be accused of having "Googled" the answers... that only you know... that you have the ability to read minds and know what other people know and feel because that is how you feel... and yes,.. i know... that is what I have been accused of... because some in here think they know what every republican wants..is what they want... it doesn't happen that way
for instance... Wilmette IL... what do you think the majority party affiliation of the towns citizens is?
Take a guess...
Now .. go to your NRA site and Search for articles pertaining to Wilmette IL....
Shocking isn't it?
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My questions are specific to firearms, and anyone who knows firearms will be able to answer those questions with no problems. I'm not stomping my feet and I'm not changing drection.
I'm asking specific questions that I would expect someone who wants to legislate laws concerning gun control to know the answers to.
You may google all you want because google doesn't know the correct answers either.
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My questions are specific to firearms, and anyone who knows firearms will be able to answer those questions with no problems. I'm not stomping my feet and I'm not changing drection.
I'm asking specific questions that I would expect someone who wants to legislate laws concerning gun control to know the answers to.
You may google all you want because google doesn't know the correct answers either.
ROFL - now you know more than google?
What Temple should we all be praying at to make sure we are praying to you - the all encompassing knowledge master?
ROFL.... now i have to clean off my monitor from the coffee stains that spewed out as i laughed...
Your killing me..... rofl
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ROFL - now you know more than google?
What Temple should we all be praying at to make sure we are praying to you - the all encompassing knowledge master?
ROFL.... now i have to clean off my monitor from the coffee stains that spewed out as i laughed...
Your killing me..... rofl
Maybe because I was a military certified small arms instructor and am now also certified and liscensed in the state of Virginia to teach small arms basics and conceled carry classes.
Been doing it for over 12 years now as a collateral duty in the military and as a part time gig in civilian life. See it's my job to keep up with all the local, state, and federal firearms laws so I can properly teach my students, and now in the civilian world of teching this subject I have found that I have to be more proficient with a larger variety of weapons since most of my students are coming in with their own equipment to learn on.
There's my background on the subject matter, awaiting your pointless smart alec response. Dazzle me please.
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Maybe because I was a military certified small arms instructor and am now also certified and liscensed in the state of Virginia to teach small arms basics and conceled carry classes.
Been doing it for over 12 years now as a collateral duty in the military and as a part time gig in civilian life. See it's my job to keep up with all the local, state, and federal firearms laws so I can properly teach my students, and now in the civilian world of teching this subject I have found that I have to be more proficient with a larger variety of weapons since most of my students are coming in with their own equipment to learn on.
There's my background on the subject matter, awaiting your pointless smart alec response. Dazzle me please.
Hey you said you know more than google .... that was dazzling enough
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I routinely have to correct my students who researched subjects on google and came back with false information. I made that staement based on my experiance and I stand behind it.
Next
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There's my background on the subject matter, awaiting your pointless smart alec response. Dazzle me please.
But Hornet, anyone can be a ninja like Nwbie in this day and age... youtube/google can teach you to do, or be, anything you want.... :aok
In all seriousness it's like all those young kids today who watch UFC religiously - who have never been in a real fight - yet think they can.
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your boast and failed attempt at bravado
As for guns and what they are to me... you actually know nothing
as for if i wanted to vote differently than what someone with a Stalinist approach to life, because I would be a threat to his freedoms, which would give him the right to end my freedoms.. ya know like Fidel, Hitler, Noriega, kill em if they refuse to see it my way...
Everyone has a right to vote for whoever they want, that is a democratic society, whereas you want to be an isolationist ... have at it... .. and i don't give a licorice whip crap who or why you vote... i promise not to threaten your life in any way or means..
As for fear.. no.. Intardnet muscles and blowhards do not make me quake in fear.. it is the ignorance of what is actually happening around you that does...
But, If you did kill someone because they wanted to vote differently than you
LOL.. I would bet that "Supreme Court Right" --"If you try to take that right, the ability to defend myself and mine (and others) from me then you are a threat unto death to me. All means of force are appropriate to stop you and are exactly what the founders felt was the right way to be."
I bet that right in court would go about as far as... The judge and prosecuter asking for a mental competency hearing first before any trial proceedings would go forth... but hey.. I am sure that if you scream loud enough that the Supreme Court said you had the right to kill someone that voted differently from you.. someone would listen and agree... they may be wearing straightjackets too.. but hey.. they at least agree..
But I know you aren't that nuts... .... are you?
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as for if i wanted to vote differently than what someone with a Stalinist approach to life, because I would be a threat to his freedoms, which would give him the right to end my freedoms.. ya know like Fidel, Hitler, Noriega, kill em if they refuse to see it my way...
Laz,
This is the crux of how you and Newbie differ ideologicly.
He beleives his freedom to vote, and the outcome of the vote for a law to disarm you without a repeal of the 2nd Amendment superceeds the constitutional protection itself if his vote is part of a majority who agrees disarming gun owners is their "right" by virtue of a democratic majority. He does not beleive the constitution should have the power to be unchangeable without a constitutional convention nor absolute where he wants it to be fluid. He beleives the POWER of his vote if his group wins trumps your rights.
I doubt the Heller outcome was as meanigful to him as his beleif that a voting majority of his local like mined citizens will superceed the ruling in defiance of it.
Newbie if you want to dance on someones grave and point fingers at them in court, you need to be alive to do it. Your above rant creates the scenario that you would be dead and that would be the reason for the court apperence. In that case you would be deceased and whoever shot you would spend life on death row. Not very good nenner nenner logic Newbie. You expose a lack of knowlege to how often the police don't catch people.
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Quote from Newbie:
as for if i wanted to vote differently than what someone with a Stalinist approach to life, because I would be a threat to his freedoms, which would give him the right to end my freedoms.. ya know like Fidel, Hitler, Noriega, kill em if they refuse to see it my way...
Laz,
This is the crux of how you and Newbie differ ideologicly.
He beleives his freedom to vote, and the outcome of the vote for a law to disarm you without a repeal of the 2nd Amendment superceeds the constitutional protection itself if his vote is part of a majority who agrees disarming gun owners is their "right" by virtue of a democratic majority. He does not beleive the constitution should have the power to be unchangeable without a constitutional convention nor absolute where he wants it to be fluid. He beleives the POWER of his vote if his group wins trumps your rights.
I doubt the Heller outcome was as meanigful to him as his beleif that a voting majority of his local like mined citizens will superceed the ruling in defiance of it.
Newbie if you want to dance on someones grave and point fingers at them in court, you need to be alive to do it. Your above rant creates the scenario that you would be dead and that would be the reason for the court apperence. In that case you would be deceased and whoever shot you would spend life on death row. Not very good nenner nenner logic Newbie. You expose a lack of knowlege to how often the police don't catch people.
Jeez there is spellcheck with this bbs... unless of course you do not know the actual spelling and / or definition- and are afraid to check it and sit there pondering if that was the word you meant...
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how the H did you get all of that nonsense out of that?
Take some time maybe...type it in a word program, get a coherent thought process going..then cut and paste it
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But Hornet, anyone can be a ninja like Nwbie in this day and age... youtube/google can teach you to do, or be, anything you want.... :aok
In all seriousness it's like all those young kids today who watch UFC religiously - who have never been in a real fight - yet think they can.
Wow Slamfire is that where you learned to debate? If you stoop any lower than insults you may see your reflection
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In all seriousness it's like all those young kids today who watch UFC religiously - who have never been in a real fight - yet think they can.
im all with this, i know many kids who watch UFC and are looking for fights, but only with small wimpy kids, never a fair fight... sounds like AHII??
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im all with this, i know many kids who watch UFC and are looking for fights, but only with small wimpy kids, never a fair fight... sounds like AHII??
there's no such thing as a fair fight.
If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet retired spot and kill him.
----- Mark Twain
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Hell I'm still waiting to see if he can answer even one of the eight questions I posted intelligently.
Here you go Nwbie, an easy one. What are the 2 most common types of handguns (by class) used by civilians in the US?
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Jeez there is spellcheck with this bbs... unless of course you do not know the actual spelling and / or definition- and are afraid to check it and sit there podering if that was the word you meant...
You bustr are an ijot... lightly spoken...
how the H did you get all of that nonsense out of that?
Take some time maybe...type it in a word program, get a coherent thought process going..then cut and paste it
I went to the Escondido Institute of Hypnotherapy in S.Cal and did a 1 year internship listening to rich Liberals problems in San Diego. I grew up in a house full of militairy and NSA code breakers and Russian communications analysts. As far as your current answer, it proves the analysis is up to 98% on...If an insult about spell checking is all you can come up with, you are a very young and arrogent male Liberal by the choice of your parenthetics and the change of direction.
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Hell I'm still waiting to see if he can answer even one of the eight questions I posted intelligently.
Here you go Nwbie, an easy one. What are the 2 most common types of handguns (by class) used by civilians in the US?
Uhhh... ones that go "bang" and ones that go "bing-bang" ? Uhhh... the ones, you know, with the uppity going shoulder shroudy thing, that seeks heat ? :lol
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Didn't they used to call shrowds hand gaurds in the old days to protect your hand from a hot barrel and keep down visual distortion due to the rising heat waves? My M1A1 and Garand have hand gaurds, the former is of fiber glas the latter is of wood. Or are they talking about those evil looking dual purpose Picatinny Rails that are black with the stops on them and every action movie assult cannon has 3-4 around the barrel.
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I went to the Escondido Institute of Hypnotherapy in S.Cal and did a 1 year internship listening to rich Liberals problems in San Diego. I grew up in a house full of militairy and NSA code breakers and Russian communications analysts. As far as your current answer, it proves the analysis is up to 98% on...If an insult about spell checking is all you can come up with, you are a very young and arrogent male Liberal by the choice of your parenthetics and the change of direction.
bustr -- if all you got was that it was an insult about spellcheck....
you as per Laz - got a public education
You should have taken a reading comprehension class
So tell me - oh great Hypnotherapist ... They actually have a Institute of Hypnotherapy?...hope it doesn't get tax money ...that will blow Laz's gasket...
Let my arrogant male persona point to your previous post and say - huh?
what the H are you talking about...neener neener? Your response and little story made no sense ...none whatsoever....it was immature, without any coherent thought process, and literally had all the signs of an alcoholic rant... you remember those.. the ones the liberal whiners had
As for your family...my uncle flew bombers in ww2 - I certainly take no credit for that ..what the H does your family have to do with anything?
Plus - spellcheck button is the third one from the left
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OK didn't like my last question? Too hard for you? Alright a real easy one. What's the purpose of a flash suppresor?
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Nwbie,
Has it occured to you your responses are kinda transparent to my assesment for most people reading them? You are showing your audience the verasity of my analysis. As for spelling. I realy don't care since it's not a requirment for communicateing with people on this board. It's only yourself suddely making it the principle requirement to try to change this audiences perception of your self and demean my athenticity.......
You sound like a number of wealthy Liberals I made money from listening to thier paranoid rants. I went into computers when I realised Liberals don't want to get better, they want the analyst to agree that they are normal while paying $250 a hand holding session. The women were angry at their husbands and were paying for a 1 hour a week date so a man would listen to them. The more you charged them for a session the more freinds they gave your number to. I'm not a Liberal and could not keep taking their money like my Liberal competitors did while laughing all the way to the bank about their clients gullibleness. This is part of the reason SoCal is full of newage Liberal ripoff gurus.
And why everything about you is cookie cutter and transparent.
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Does Nwbie play this game? Interesting how the anti-war and anti-gun folks will sit down and play games like Halo and AHII. Do they enjoy the killing?
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Does Nwbie play this game? Interesting how the anti-war and anti-gun folks will sit down and play games like Halo and AHII. Do they enjoy the killing?
Man so true... for weeks... no months... no actually years (been playing since AW 1993): I've wondered how this game could actually attract anti-gun types. Seriously.
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Nwbie,
Has it occured to you your responses are kinda transparent to my assesment for most people reading them? You are showing your audience the verasity of my analysis. As for spelling. I realy don't care since it's not a requirment for communicateing with people on this board. It's only yourself suddely making it the principle requirement to try to change this audiences perception of your self and demean my athenticity.......
You sound like a number of wealthy Liberals I made money from listening to thier paranoid rants. I went into computers when I realised Liberals don't want to get better, they want the analyst to agree that they are normal while paying $250 a hand holding session. The women were angry at their husbands and were paying for a 1 hour a week date so a man would listen to them. The more you charged them for a session the more freinds they gave your number to. I'm not a Liberal and could not keep taking their money like my Liberal competitors did while laughing all the way to the bank about their clients gullibleness. This is part of the reason SoCal is full of newage Liberal ripoff gurus.
And why everything about you is cookie cutter and transparent.
Bustr
You still haven't explained that previous post though have you? And more can be read from that post about you then any other post you write...Abnormal Psych. is a pre-req. for a lot of actual schools too..
Yuo know nothing about me.. you are book smart ...thats it ... don't go psychoanalyzing me .. it is so transparent... you obviously didn't pay attention in school or you would know that there is no cookie cutter explanation.. i'm guessing you sucked at it and had to find a real job... Was kreskin the teacher at that institute?.. did they teach spoon bending too?
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Why shouldn't he? Typical fascist or communist tactic.
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Man so true... for weeks... no months... no actually years (been playing since AW 1993): I've wondered how this game could actually attract anti-gun types. Seriously.
you guys are such nimrods... you never ever actually read posts... you jump to conclusions.. you make ridiculous claims about Democratic candidates... and never ever actually read the whole post or responses... you knee jerk and point and stomp and bully... where does it say ... I am anti-gun? I have said - hey - i don't actually think that is true - and this really isn't what was said or done... and mostly - how the H can you believe that crap-- yeah I say that a lot... and I will continue to say it - if it is crap and it gets promoted as fact.. draggin bs in the fight only makes you look like a fanatic... and people right now point at the fer left and the far right and say - fanatics - and shake their head and moan...
Where does it ever say - I am a liberal Democrat - other than responses to posts where I have pointed out the insanity and lack of coherent and / or lack of facts, when you link to the NRA and off the wall right wing papers -- Republicans cringe when statements are made like that...
posts that because i don't agree - make me a liberal whiner... lol... no one whines more than the foot stompers in here...
posts like - if i did this --well wait - no answer this... but wait - ignore my previous statement and answer this... hey no fair --i said you need to answer this
Kee - rist -- whiners the lot of ya
I'll say it again.. gun rights are not the main concern of most average Republicans.. It's the economy stupid -And if todays result is a barometer.. McCain may have just screwed the pooch... Hey get this - Joe Lieberman is his closest advisor right now...
2nd amendment rights are important to Republicans.. but the 4th amendment has been trashed.. and so has the second amendment ... just in a different way...a little more circular route ..but used just the same... but ignore that... the NRA never wrote you about it...
As for people playing a war game and you not understanding that... first it is cartoon planes.. you do understand that right? second.. you never really are facing any enemy are you? you do realize that don't you? .. Asteroids was a game too - does that make you wonder why you aren't starring in Star Wars movies? Ask the hypnotherapist about basic animal instincts, suppressed rage instincts, endorphins release, and just plain having fun.. wouldn't surprise me at all if more than 50% of the people who play AH or other war type games never touch or plan on touching a gun.. it is not reality.. surprising to some - but your score means nothing when it is time to live your real life...and you aren't actually shooting a gun.. you are sending electronic signals...
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Why shouldn't he? Typical fascist or communist tactic.
His obvious inability to stop coming back to prove to his audience that he is not displaying in his conversation what I've identified will intesify as no one validates him. He has come back twice now with this relatively simple help from me reminds me of the wealthy Liberals who would pay me to listen to them talk the same way. I wish I was getting $250 pr/hr for this.... ;)
Liberals are addicted to proving they are not who they think others see them as. I made alotta money in San Diego by not agreeing with them for a year. When I finally could no longer take listening to them I agreed with them and they stopped using my services.
Any bets on how addicted he is to defending his fantasy image of himself he sells to this audience? Wanna hold a lottery? :)
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you guys are such nimrods... you never ever actually read posts... you jump to conclusions.. you make ridiculous claims about Democratic candidates... and never ever actually read the whole post or responses... you knee jerk and point and stomp and bully... where does it say ... I am anti-gun? I have said - hey - i don't actually think that is true - and this really isn't what was said or done... and mostly - how the H can you believe that crap-- yeah I say that a lot... and I will continue to say it - if it is crap and it gets promoted as fact.. draggin bs in the fight only makes you look like a fanatic... and people right now point at the fer left and the far right and say - fanatics - and shake their head and moan...
Where does it ever say - I am a liberal Democrat - other than responses to posts where I have pointed out the insanity and lack of coherent and / or lack of facts, when you link to the NRA and off the wall right wing papers -- Republicans cringe when statements are made like that...
posts that because i don't agree - make me a liberal whiner... lol... no one whines more than the foot stompers in here...
posts like - if i did this --well wait - no answer this... but wait - ignore my previous statement and answer this... hey no fair --i said you need to answer this
Kee - rist -- whiners the lot of ya
I'll say it again.. gun rights are not the main concern of most average Republicans.. It's the economy stupid -And if todays result is a barometer.. McCain may have just screwed the pooch... Hey get this - Joe Lieberman is his closest advisor right now...
2nd amendment rights are important to Republicans.. but the 4th amendment has been trashed.. and so has the second amendment ... just in a different way...a little more circular route ..but used just the same... but ignore that... the NRA never wrote you about it...
As for people playing a war game and you not understanding that... first it is cartoon planes.. you do understand that right? second.. you never really are facing any enemy are you? you do realize that don't you? .. Asteroids was a game too - does that make you wonder why you aren't starring in Star Wars movies? Ask the hypnotherapist about basic animal instincts, suppressed rage instincts, endorphins release, and just plain having fun.. wouldn't surprise me at all if more than 50% of the people who play AH or other war type games never touch or plan on touching a gun.. it is not reality.. surprising to some - but your score means nothing when it is time to live your real life...and you aren't actually shooting a gun.. you are sending electronic signals...
wtf?
Decaf.
and have somebody check your meds.
seriously.
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Wow Slamfire is that where you learned to debate? If you stoop any lower than insults you may see your reflection
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Because the Democrats don't trust you. You're a "gun-nut" and need to submit to their change. So sayeth Barrack Hussein Obama (peace be unto him)
Allah Achtard Allah achtard.
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His obvious inability to stop coming back to prove to his audience that he is not displaying in his conversation what I've identified will intesify as no one validates him. He has come back twice now with this relatively simple help from me reminds me of the wealthy Liberals who would pay me to listen to them talk the same way. I wish I was getting $250 pr/hr for this.... ;)
Liberals are addicted to proving they are not who they think others see them as. I made alotta money in San Diego by not agreeing with them for a year. When I finally could no longer take listening to them I agreed with them and they stopped using my services.
Any bets on how addicted he is to defending his fantasy image of himself he sells to this audience? Wanna hold a lottery? :)
bustr - based on that post -- you didn't leave the profession,,, you just plain didn't belong in the profession.. except maybe as a patient, you more than likely sucked at it...
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wtf?
Decaf.
and have somebody check your meds.
seriously.
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Lol Hangtime
it was a gag gift dude - figure it out
Funny how it is a goofy rant ..if you are not the author...
you post funny pictures...other peoples funny pictures, but alas, no substance, no actual content - other than - hey look at me--i can at least be funny, i may not have anything important to say - but hey - i know how to link pictures...
There may actually be a profession somewhere in there for you.. I am sure there are bloggers looking for people to comb through photobucket and flikr and the others like that ... you know.. short bus people jobs... you have a talent there, don't let anyone convince you otherwise
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newbie.. you have created a threat that does not exist. You tried to make it out like I had threatened you when that was not the case at all.
If you felt that I had threatened you.. that would only mean that you were going to attack me. I have no problem with you thinking anything you want.. that is your right.. it is when you try to take away my god given individual rights that we will be in conflict. You are the one who has the false bravado... you "vote" to take away someones rights.... you have others enforce it at the barrel of a gun. You are the threat not me.
It is not isolationist to simply want others to leave your rights alone. Don't debate me and I won't show you how wrong you are.. don't try to force your will on me by taking away my rights and I won't use force to stop you... simple huh? no threat at all.. you would have to be the one initiating the escalation of violence.
You would be the one putting me and mine in danger.
In part... it is youth.. it is a common mistake of youth to feel invincible. that they don't need anything but their wits and fists to defend themselves.. they have no experiance so how could they know? by the time they learn it is often too late.
lazs
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newbie.. you have created a threat that does not exist. You tried to make it out like I had threatened you when that was not the case at all.
If you felt that I had threatened you.. that would only mean that you were going to attack me. I have no problem with you thinking anything you want.. that is your right.. it is when you try to take away my god given individual rights that we will be in conflict. You are the one who has the false bravado... you "vote" to take away someones rights.... you have others enforce it at the barrel of a gun. You are the threat not me.
It is not isolationist to simply want others to leave your rights alone. Don't debate me and I won't show you how wrong you are.. don't try to force your will on me by taking away my rights and I won't use force to stop you... simple huh? no threat at all.. you would have to be the one initiating the escalation of violence.
You would be the one putting me and mine in danger.
In part... it is youth.. it is a common mistake of youth to feel invincible. that they don't need anything but their wits and fists to defend themselves.. they have no experiance so how could they know? by the time they learn it is often too late.
lazs
Where do you get I felt a threat?
I laffed at your post that you felt it was your right to kill someone who voted differently than you...and you justified it saying the supreme court gives you that right
thats it... that is all i posted.. I continue to laugh at that statement
"In part... it is youth" -- lol - how old do you think i am? Perhaps it is a mistake of being a codger... thinking you already know all the answers --- and because someone differs in their opinion, it is a mistake of youth..
You by the way, have yet to show me how wrong i am,here is one for you-- ask "your Mexican" if you are a racist...
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Nwbie,
Along with being addicted to making this audience see you as the fantacy you see your self, you now are being normative for a Liberal by calling Laz a racist and insulting his girlfriend. You have just reduced her relationship with Laz to the low level of personal derision you hold Laz by her choice of association to him. You have villified her to insult Laz which strips her of being human or a woman.
So again gentelmen since I'm not getting $250 pr/hr here listening to a Liberal scream about how crazy everyone else is and insult their family members. At least a lottery on how many more times he will respond to this thread because of his addiction to his self image and this baited attention.......
His conduct here is what I listened to for a year in San Diego from wealty Liberals behind closed doors. The anonymous nature of the internet is no different than the anonymous nature of a closed door.
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Nwbie,
Along with being addicted to making this audience see you as the fantacy you see your self, you now are being normative for a Liberal by calling Laz a racist and insulting his girlfriend. You have just reduced her relationship with Laz to the low level of personal derision you hold Laz by her choice of association to him. You have villified her to insult Laz which strips her of being human or a woman.
So again gentelmen since I'm never got $250 pr/hr ever listening to a Liberal scream about how crazy everyone else is and insult their family members. At least a lottery on how many more times he will respond to this thread because of his addiction to his self image and this baited attention.......
His conduct here is what I listened to for a year in San Diego from wealty Liberals behind closed doors. The anonymous nature of the internet is no different than the anonymous nature of a closed door.
fantasy
anyway - bustr... if you are referring to the statement - ask your.....
yes that was wrong...I was in error...I assumed when I read a former post of his, he was referring to a cook or something, I personally did not know he referred to his girlfriend as "My Mexican"... which is what I was referring to... actually you just surprised me, surprised the H out of me,
But, I still think the statement he made about the supreme court giving him the right to kill someone who votes differently than him, is off the wall insane, and if you agree to his statement, well , you know what I think you are...
And I think you stories about wealthy liberals is funny...and can just imagine how many referrals you got in that job, thank jod there was a computer job opening...
normative..lol..nice word
To laz's relationship association, like i said , I jumped to a conclusion, but you, I can very much tell you sucked at therapy work.
Don't respond, please, your alcoholic rants are boring me
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fantasy
anyway - bustr... if you are referring to the statement - ask your.....
yes that was wrong...I was in error...I assumed when I read a former post of his, he was referring to a cook or something, I personally did not know he referred to his girlfriend as "My Mexican"... which is what I was referring to... actually you just surprised me, surprised the H out of me,
But, I still think the statement he made about the supreme court giving him the right to kill someone who votes differently than him, is off the wall insane, and if you agree to his statement, well , you know what I think you are...
And I think you stories about wealthy liberals is funny...and can just imagine how many referrals you got in that job, thank jod there was a computer job opening...
normative..lol..nice word
To laz's relationship association, like i said , I jumped to a conclusion, but you, I can very much tell you sucked at therapy work.
Don't respond, please, your alcoholic rants are boring me
double caf-caf late' with a twist?
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Seriously this is a non-issue. The "gun-nuts" in this country are comical. They are the most paranoid bunch of people around. Living life afraid of your neighbor sounds really enjoyable. Like I said before, there are so many more issues you should be concerned about rather than the 2nd ammendment.
2nd amendment is the constitution like any other amendment and it should be guarded. You give up one right be prepared to lose more.
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Nwbie, They made it very simple to make money with a tiny bit of help from myself like I have been doing with you. And like you they kept coming back over and over again. Because like you, they were addicted to their fantasy image of themselves and proving they were ok. They kept paying me money to spend an hour a week proving they were ok to themselves with my company in the room. I did very littel work and made money.
Anyone wanna bet how many more times Nwbie comes back with the tiny bit of help I'm giving him?
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Bustr.. thanks but I did know what he was trying to do and it just made me shake my head in wonder at the ignorance and indocrtination of liberals.
Newbie.. I actually said "my mexicans" My girlfriend and my grand daughter.. I don't have to ask either if I am a racist or not. It is not as important to me as it is to you.. the perception part.. what people "feel".
I don't need pats on the back for having a mexican girlfriend.. I just like her. I don't give a crap if she is or isn't.. I don't have affirmative action program for girlfriends.. It is on a merit basis. Relatives? can't choose em but I think that the combo of mexican and me makes some good looking kids.
negros? never seen one that I thought was attractive.. there ya go.. run with it. Takes a lot of white to make em look attractive most of the time.. that of course is just a personal taste issue... it is what it is.. again.. no affirmative action or striving for "diversity" in my mating process. Just merit as I see it.
As for your gun issue.. you, like 99% of all liberals.. know nothing about guns.. that is apparent.. yet.. you wish to exercise some "reasonable" restrictions.. How can you do that if you don't know squat about em?
It was wondered how liberal anti gun types could like a WWII game.. I wonder the same.. Almost every weapon used in WWII would be banned by you and your ilk under "reasonable" restrictions. Carrying any kind of firearm around to protect yourself would be banned by osamabinbiden if he could.
Soooo.. to say you like firearms but then to make it so they are useless to the owners is such a huge lie that it is disgusting.
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Well I suppose he is absolutely right it is just a game. Still it makes you wonder. Sure there is no reality. You are still taking a weapon and trying to do harm to your enemy. All electronic signals yes,but it is still the intent of kill the bad guy. Like saying your are anti-war, but for abortion. Ok to kill babies,not ok to kill adults.
In the gun ban issue the weapons are not the problem. The criminals that use them are the problem. If you ban certain weapons it only effects the law abiding citizens. The criminals will still be able to get them. You want to keep them from the criminals you need to stop their source. Good luck with that! Their source works very well with the supply and demand laws.
Nwbie I am pro-war and pro-choice. I am neither Dem or Rep. We are the ones you need to convince this election. So far your side is losing with most of us. Do not start spouting off what the polls say. They are wrong. In my state alone more of us are leaning right. We love our castle law here.
TwentyFo, I am a gun nut. You should be worried about that. When the Gov't tries to take away my right to own any weapon I choose your kind will be the first on the list.
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Well I suppose he is absolutely right it is just a game. Still it makes you wonder. Sure there is no reality. You are still taking a weapon and trying to do harm to your enemy. All electronic signals yes,but it is still the intent of kill the bad guy. Like saying your are anti-war, but for abortion. Ok to kill babies,not ok to kill adults.
In the gun ban issue the weapons are not the problem. The criminals that use them are the problem. If you ban certain weapons it only effects the law abiding citizens. The criminals will still be able to get them. You want to keep them from the criminals you need to stop their source. Good luck with that! Their source works very well with the supply and demand laws.
Nwbie I am pro-war and pro-choice. I am neither Dem or Rep. We are the ones you need to convince this election. So far your side is losing with most of us. Do not start spouting off what the polls say. They are wrong. In my state alone more of us are leaning right. We love our castle law here.
TwentyFo, I am a gun nut. You should be worried about that. When the Gov't tries to take away my right to own any weapon I choose your kind will be the first on the list.
When you guys' come on here making threats, veiled or not, putting people on "lists"...You give people IN Gov't. a reason to disarm the rest of us. I like my guns, too...I'd hate to think that they will be taken away based not on how many people are actually killed in a crime, but on the threat of further crimes' promised on an internet board.
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But Frode... look at it this way, the federal government should never be so powerful or intrusive as to worry about anyone threatening anyone for any reason. (except the president) His statement was not just a threat, it was political about his reaction to a government overstepping their bounds. It is ACTION that state and local government only should act on... We should ALL be far more concerned about a federal government that is capable of a murders like those in Ruby Ridge than someone on an internet BBS saying "You might be on my list".
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But Frode... look at it this way, the federal government should never be so powerful or intrusive as to worry about anyone threatening anyone for any reason. (except the president) His statement was not just a threat, it was political about his reaction to a government overstepping their bounds. It is ACTION that state and local government only should act on... We should ALL be far more concerned about a federal government that is capable of a murders like those in Ruby Ridge than someone on an internet BBS saying "You might be on my list".
With what can be done with computers today, I can't be so sure, myself. You would have to ask Skuzzy's opinion on what someone could do to find out someone's true I.D./address, even in this system, whether or not someone could hack his server to find out thing's like Credit card info, or true location/street address. I don't know about AH, but it's been done before, on other systems. Think about it this way...one person in this community turns nutbag, decides to "get even" with another poster/posters. Has some skill with a PC, manages' to hack into the database, and get's access to CC info that leads' to real locations' or identities of people on here he wants to target.
Up to this point, law enforcement/gov't. don't make a big deal about it, because hacking occurs all of the time. Maybe some keywords' trip alarms at someplace in the department of Homeland security (remember, warrantless wiretapping...The net doesn't even have that much legal protection.) Anyway...It would only take one person scanning stuff like what we put up here on the board, to raise an alarm. Next thing you know, This becomes another arrow in the quiver of Anti-gun groups to use against the 2nd. They would be able to point to any kind of threats, and use those to show that we still have a nation of guns' in the hands of potential killers. A threat like some of those made in this thread would be able to be used in a court of law anymore to show cause. The political end of the argument would be used to point to a possible 'movement' not unlike the Branch Davidians, or the militia groups' that used to hide in Oregon or Washington state. The threat that could be pointed to an individual would be what sets it off...
So in short, KNOCK IT OFF WITH THE LAME-ASS THREATS.
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Never said it was MY list. Chill California dude.
If the Gov't sees fit to prosecute me over that statement then you and I have even bigger problems.
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Never said it was MY list. Chill California dude.
If the Gov't sees fit to prosecute me over that statement then you and I have even bigger problems.
They prosecute over some of the littlest things. I'm sorry, should have added that earlier.
TwentyFo, I am a gun nut. You should be worried about that. When the Gov't tries to take away my right to own any weapon I choose your kind will be the first on the list.
That's what you wrote in your post, Buzzard.
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Now that I look at it I could see where you thought it might be my list.
Perhaps I should have worded it better but I was in a hurry. Not all of us can be so good at getting a point across. Frode maybe you should write for me so this doesn't happen again. After all your posts seem so well put to paper.
And yes they do prosecute over the littlest things which is why we have bigger problems.
Frode I am not the one who would make a list like that and then act on it. I was just stating that there might be someone that is and who they might put on such list. It would be very hard in this state to start making laws against gun owners, unless the cows could start voting. After all they out number us humans in a few counties.
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Now that I look at it I could see where you thought it might be my list.
Perhaps I should have worded it better but I was in a hurry. Not all of us can be so good at getting a point across. Frode maybe you should write for me so this doesn't happen again. After all your posts seem so well put to paper.
And yes they do prosecute over the littlest things which is why we have bigger problems.
Frode I am not the one who would make a list like that and then act on it. I was just stating that there might be someone that is and who they might put on such list. It would be very hard in this state to start making laws against gun owners, unless the cows could start voting. After all they out number us humans in a few counties.
No Worries... :rock
I'm just more concerned with the seeming lack of states' rights vs. the Federal Gov't. Plus, in this day and age of things' like the Homeland Security act, you really never know what could happen to you. Our Gov't. isn't the same one it was 50 years ago.
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newbie.. I explained.. now.. you want to tell me what makes you think I am a racist once and for all? I find the throwing out of the term by lefties to be disgusting and lazy and deceptive.
You can also answer my thoughts on gun control and tell me that I am wrong about what anti gun nuts know about firearms.. you don't know squat and you don't know what osamabinbiden means by "reasonable" restrictions.
It is like abortion.. you might vote for a candidate if he said he believed in abortion with "reasonable" restrictions.. I bet you would be angry when you found out that his idea of reasonable was.. no woman under the age of 65 could have one.
Your boy does that a lot.. he simply tries to pander to the willing mushheads while not saying a thing of any substance.
lazs
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newbie.. I explained.. now.. you want to tell me what makes you think I am a racist once and for all? I find the throwing out of the term by lefties to be disgusting and lazy and deceptive.
You can also answer my thoughts on gun control and tell me that I am wrong about what anti gun nuts know about firearms.. you don't know squat and you don't know what osamabinbiden means by "reasonable" restrictions.
It is like abortion.. you might vote for a candidate if he said he believed in abortion with "reasonable" restrictions.. I bet you would be angry when you found out that his idea of reasonable was.. no woman under the age of 65 could have one.
Your boy does that a lot.. he simply tries to pander to the willing mushheads while not saying a thing of any substance.
lazs
racism - perception i received from majority of your posts - my perception - granted mine, may be wrong, but it is a perception
liberal - anyone who doesn't agree with you...
abortion - free will- if there are the "pearly gates" and we will need to confess our sins and face judgement day - let those who tempt that fate make their own decisions, I don't profess to be Jod, you may be surprised i am against abortions, but I am way more for the right to have free will..
reasonable - there is no reasonable answer to the problems with handguns in the US, just that there is a problem, and your answers don't show any reasonable solution, and to you Obama's stance is not reasonable, -yet - i don't think you will see him with a banner over his head saying Mission Accomplished either... from what i have read, he is not against guns, he is against guns used in crimes and trying to find a solution,
"Institute of Hypnotherapy" - tell me honestly you didn't chuckle and shake your head
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You crack me up.
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Well at least nwbie you have begun to write in comprehensable paragraphs. If you google california and hypnotherapy you will find SoCal is inundated with centers and single practicing professionals. It's an over saturated market of liberal new age con artists making money on the wealthy liberals who live in SoCal.
You remind me of a woman who one of my teachers refused to take as a client because she was a serial therpist stalker. She had gone through most of the name practitioners in the area and had gotten restraining orders serverd to her. She had come to him 4 times to get him to take her case. She was already known and notorious in the area for her antics.
She showed up at his lecture engagements for 6 months telling everyone in the lobby that he was a quack, abused his wife, took money under false pretensis....He finally got tired of it and talked to her in a lobby in front of his audience.
The gist of what he said was, I'm sorry your relationships with people fall apart and that no one will pay attention to you. It must be hard and I hope in the near future you find something spiritual to fill your void. And may I offer you free copies of all my publications.
30 days later she stopped by the institute to thank him for what he said. Seems she decided to divorce her spouce and donate all of her money to an Ashram in some obscure town in west oregon. She was on her way relocating to that obscure town in oregon to start her new life. We never heard from her again.
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reasonable - there is no reasonable answer to the problems with handguns in the US, just that there is a problem, and your answers don't show any reasonable solution, and to you Obama's stance is not reasonable, -yet - i don't think you will see him with a banner over his head saying Mission Accomplished either... from what i have read, he is not against guns, he is against guns used in crimes and trying to find a solution,
What is the probem with handguns in this country? How many handguns have jumped up and robbed someone, or killed someone all on their own? NONE!!! The problem isn't with the gun, the problem is with the person behind the gun so go after them but leave my guns alone because they have never hurt anyone on their own and never will unless I use them in defense of myself or innocents around me.
The problem with the gun grabbers is they are looking at the tool used and NOT the person wielding that tool. If guns are such a blight on society and are responsible for killing so many people that they should be banned, then how about we go after the biggest killers in this country first. Cars and Doctors. Lets get rid of those before guns because they kill more Americans every year than guns do. Besides cars and doctors aren't protected by the Constitution so getting rid of them in no way impairs on my rights like trying to take away my guns does.
You want a soluton to ending the use of guns in a crime. Pass laws that PROTECT the victims of said crimes for using their own guns in defense. Protect the gun manufactures from liability lawsuits. Enact a Federal Castle Doctrine law and issue Federal Concelled Carry Permits.
And here is a little fact that the gun grabbers ALWAYS tend to ignore. 90% or better of ALL gun crime commited in this country are by people who are ALREADY convicted felons and aren't supposed to have guns anyways accourding to the law, and those crimes are committed against, on a better than 75% basis, towards other convicted felons who also aren't supposed to have guns in the first place accourding to the law.
So you have guns in the hands of criminals that are using them more often killing other criminals and you see this as a problem? Most of the people killed each year by gun violence wont be missed.
Yeah that sounds cold and heartless, but I have no remorse for thinking that way about someone who does nothing but gangbangs, cheats, and steals for a living. They can kill each other all they want as far as I'm concerned, but NO ONE has the right to deny me my RIGHT to defend myself from those animals if and when they decide that killing each other isn't enough and they decide they want to take a poke at me, or you for that matter and I just happen to be there. I would use my guns to protect your butt right along with mine if needed, but you think Obama's ideas are reasonable?
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"{And here is a little fact that the gun grabbers ALWAYS tend to ignore. 90% or better of ALL gun crime commited in this country are by people who are ALREADY convicted felons and aren't supposed to have guns anyways accourding to the law, and those crimes are committed against, on a better than 75% basis, towards other convicted felons who also aren't supposed to have guns in the first place accourding to the law"
Interesting statistic - source?
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Take your pick. FBI criminal data supports this as well as the NRA crime data. There is no single source that has compiled those numbers. I generated those numbers be reading the FBI and NRA data.
Take the time to read through the data and you'll see that easily 9 out of 10 gun crimes committed in this country are done so by people who aren't even supposed to have them in the first place because they already have a criminal background and most have been convicted of felonies.
As far as the victims go, reading the files at least 6-7 out of 10 victims are convicted felons or small time gangbangers with a criminal history and were shot and killed by other convited fellons or gangbangers at least 9 out of 10 times.
Read the your local paper and see who did the shooting and who got shot. Bet you 90% of the time it's going to be gang related.
This is a situation that doesn't need an official study done on it, just open your eyes and look around. Read the local police reports and newspapers concerning gun crimes. The kid that accidently shoots themselves or goes off at school and shoots people is VERY rare, that's why it always gets the hype, yet everyday gangbangers are shooting each other and it might get a blurb on the 11PM news because it's NOT news anymore and no one really cares if they are killing each other.
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are you taking into account all crimes commited with handguns where no one was actually shot, or just wounded?
Those stats you have include those?
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I'm talking about any gun related crime. Doesn't matter if a shot was fired or not. Gun crime happens at the hand of a CRIMINAL, and most of those that use guns in commiting a crime have been convicted in the past of other crimes and aren't supposed to have one in the first place.
It is the rare murder/attempted murder that happens where the person comitting the crime doesn't have a criminal past, and those are more along the lines of crime of passion type things.
It's all common knowledge for those smart enough to open their eyes and see it for what it is.
For every case you can show me where a gun was used in a crime by someone without a criminal record, I could show you ten where a gun was used in comitting a crime where the criminal has a record and has been convicted and isn't even supposed to have a gun.
So what is the REAL problem? The guns, or the criminals, and how does banning my firearms, a law abiding citizen, going to accomplish anything in solving the problem, other than making me an easier victim for the criminals who don't care about any laws to begin with?
The criminals are running around with AK-47's and the government wants to reduce my capablity in firepower against them so a few left wing, lets all have a group hug people, can feel good about themselves.
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Well at least nwbie you have begun to write in comprehensable paragraphs. If you google california and hypnotherapy you will find SoCal is inundated with centers and single practicing professionals. It's an over saturated market of liberal new age con artists making money on the wealthy liberals who live in SoCal.
You remind me of a woman who one of my teachers refused to take as a client because she was a serial therpist stalker. She had gone through most of the name practitioners in the area and had gotten restraining orders serverd to her. She had come to him 4 times to get him to take her case. She was already known and notorious in the area for her antics.
She showed up at his lecture engagements for 6 months telling everyone in the lobby that he was a quack, abused his wife, took money under false pretensis....He finally got tired of it and talked to her in a lobby in front of his audience.
The gist of what he said was, I'm sorry your relationships with people fall apart and that no one will pay attention to you. It must be hard and I hope in the near future you find something spiritual to fill your void. And may I offer you free copies of all my publications.
30 days later she stopped by the institute to thank him for what he said. Seems she decided to divorce her spouce and donate all of her money to an Ashram in some obscure town in west oregon. She was on her way relocating to that obscure town in oregon to start her new life. We never heard from her again.
lol bustr - Projecting again aren't you
show me where on this thread that i speciifically had a conversation with you, until you jumped in and started ankle humping. Perhaps you are not used to someone responding to you with - wow are you full of crap- hypnotherapy? jeez and you paid money for that education? Or was it a public school?
Maybe you should try being an english teacher or of creative writing, you corrected and praised my paragraph style, do i get a gold star?
This is a bbs, write any style you want. - and by the way, if you are going to insult someone, at least be creative, come up with one of your own, all you do is repeat, or did they teach puppetry in that institute too? Because all you have done is to try talking for other people, those who understand proper therapy techniques know when to shut up. You went to a few lectures thats it, it is obvious, I went to quite a few lectures., I don't pretend to be an expert at anything.
Your stories are hilarious, fantasy maybe, but hilarious. Was that teacher - Uri Geller? - was he teaching Spoon bending?
Go have a few more drinks, stew on it-then spew on it...
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For murder victims, 43% were related to or acquainted with their assailants; 14% of victims were murdered by strangers, while 43% of victims had an unknown relationship to their murderer in 2002.
Two thirds of murders of children under the age of 5 were committed by a parent or other family member.
Homicides are most often committed with guns, especially handguns. In 2005, 55% of homicides were committed with handguns, 16% with other guns, 14% with knives, 5% with blunt objects, and 11% with other weapons.
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2007/offenses/expanded_information/data/shrtable_08.html
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2007/offenses/expanded_information/data/shrtable_10.html
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2007/data/table_15.html
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/cvus06.pdf
Went to all of these sites and a few more, don’t see how anything more than a guess will do.
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newbie.. by your logic.. we could cut gun crimes in half.. probly more like 2/3 by simply making it illegal for one small ethnic minority to have firearms.
I mean.. maybe we could vote on it? we are a democracy right?
My handguns have killed less people than ted kennedys car.
We don't have a firearm problem.. we have a people problem and so far as that problem goes.. I want to be armed when the scum show up around me.
lazs
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I was going through the local paper last night online, looking in the archives and stuff. In the last month here in Hampton Roads, there have been 16 shootings. 1 was a domestic dispute. The other 15 were gang/drug/robbery related and of those 15, ALL of the suspects were charged with "Use of a firearm by a CONVICTED FELON". 3 of the 15 suspects are under the age of 18 and are already convicted felons. Anyone want to guess what their race is? Didn't think so.
So out of the 16 shootings only one was committed by someone who was not already a convicted felon and was able to legally own a gun up to that point. In that one case evidently the guy walked in and caught his wife with another man so he shot her. Can't really say I blame him either but that's a personal opinion, not the law.
The real sad thing though is the gun grabbers and those that support the cause like stats so much but only cherry pick the ones that might help promote their ideas. Those of us living in the real world only have to pick up the local paper or turn on the evening news to see what is REALLY happening and who's doing it, and yet those of us that choose to not be victims by arming ourselves within the letter of the law, are paranoid, racists, angry people looking for a fight, according to the liberals that want to disarm us "for our own good".
Of course the biggest supporters of the anti gun movement don't go anywhere without armed security, live in their plush mansions, and have no clue what is going on in the world beyond the secured walls of their comfy compounds, and gated communities. Let alone even know enough about the weapons they want to ban to be able to discuss the topic on anything even remotely close to intelligently. Ignorance must truly be bliss because those folks are some of the stupidest people I've ever run across.
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I was going through the local paper last night online, looking in the archives and stuff. In the last month here in Hampton Roads, there have been 16 shootings. 1 was a domestic dispute. The other 15 were gang/drug/robbery related and of those 15, ALL of the suspects were charged with "Use of a firearm by a CONVICTED FELON". 3 of the 15 suspects are under the age of 18 and are already convicted felons. Anyone want to guess what their race is? Didn't think so.
So out of the 16 shootings only one was committed by someone who was not already a convicted felon and was able to legally own a gun up to that point. In that one case evidently the guy walked in and caught his wife with another man so he shot her. Can't really say I blame him either but that's a personal opinion, not the law.
The real sad thing though is the gun grabbers and those that support the cause like stats so much but only cherry pick the ones that might help promote their ideas. Those of us living in the real world only have to pick up the local paper or turn on the evening news to see what is REALLY happening and who's doing it, and yet those of us that choose to not be victims by arming ourselves within the letter of the law, are paranoid, racists, angry people looking for a fight, according to the liberals that want to disarm us "for our own good".
Of course the biggest supporters of the anti gun movement don't go anywhere without armed security, live in their plush mansions, and have no clue what is going on in the world beyond the secured walls of their comfy compounds, and gated communities. Let alone even know enough about the weapons they want to ban to be able to discuss the topic on anything even remotely close to intelligently. Ignorance must truly be bliss because those folks are some of the stupidest people I've ever run across.
I'm gonna add to this, Hornet. In the "other 15" at the start of your post, if all of those were convicted felons(thus being inelligible for firearms ownership under the law) then all 15 of those guns would have had to have been either stolen, or bought on the black-market. Whether smuggled into the country from other parts, or legal weapons that were stolen, they won't be affected by any firearms' ban. Which means, of course, that any regulation attempts simply won't cut down on the number of crimes used with these weapons, simply because these guns are all outside of the scope of the law...Even if the rest of us gather up all of our collections, and take them down to the local PD station and throw them in the smelter ourselves, We still aren't disarming one single criminal. HIS gun most likely made it up from Central America or Mexico. And U.S. law doesn't apply there.
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You want to end gun crimes in this country? Simply execute anyone caught using one in a crime.
I don't see that happening so I don't see any solution to the problem of criminals killing each other and... occasionally.. us.
I don't see the 300 million or so guns we have no going away or the criminals we have in this country... many of which aren't even citizens.. obeying any sort of law.
More concealed carry with a corresponding higher penalty rate for using a gun in a crime are the things that will do the most good at this point IN THIS COUNTRY.. not in some tiny little theme park of an island, but in this country.
lazs