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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: DiabloTX on October 14, 2008, 05:31:46 PM
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The Camaro as high-revving back-road burner: It's not exactly a familiar concept, is it? Thankfully, that doesn't stop it from being true. The Camaro's engine, transmission, steering, and suspension work together in such a way that the entire car feels engineered, not simply bolted together from spare parts. There's actual, tangible feedback from the controls, the engine is more than up to its task, and the chassis exudes a level of polish rarely seen on cars from Detroit. And topping it all off, the Camaro essentially blows away its competition - the Ford Mustang and Dodge Challenger seem positively primitive in comparison, a couple of rough-edged, cost-cut, sedan-derived chunks of ordinary.
After forty years of compromises and letdowns, it's nice to see a pony car that behaves the way that we've always thought one should.
-Automobile Magazine
http://www.automobilemag.com/reviews/driven/0808_2010_chevrolet_camaro/index.html
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-Automobile Magazine
http://www.automobilemag.com/reviews/driven/0808_2010_chevrolet_camaro/index.html
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After forty years of compromises and letdowns
About bleeping time they figured it out. Sheesh those brand C guys are slow. :D
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Seems they were too busy cutting off their mullets!
Heh.
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V6 camaro? Trying to appeal to the european woman's market?
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It was the only model available for review. The SS model will be reviewed shortly, keep your knickers on.
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V6 camaro? Trying to appeal to the european woman's market?
If it was a Firebird, be sure it would be. :devil
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Pretty sad to say but when they(GM) got to make it look like a pony the camaro lost all it had........... im sure the new firebird will look very sim.....
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Pretty sad to say but when they(GM) got to make it look like a pony the camaro lost all it had........... im sure the new firebird will look very sim.....
You obviously know not what you speak of. There will not be any new Firebird.
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Needs Chrome bumpers & trim to set it apart
Right now it does look too much like a mustang
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You obviously know not what you speak of. There will not be any new Firebird.
They said that about the camaro when they quit building them too.
Word.
Mark
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They said that about the camaro when they quit building them too.
Word.
Mark
And they said it again this past summer. There will be no new Firebird.
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V6 camaro? Trying to appeal to the european woman's market?
The Australian 6 cylinder Ford engines are faster than the 5.4L V8s.
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Pretty sad to say but when they(GM) got to make it look like a pony the camaro lost all it had........... im sure the new firebird will look very sim.....
UUMM....THEY'RE going back to a "retro" look. it looks a lot like the original camaros, which are the best looking camaros ever produced. unfortunatly for you chevy guys, it is also(once again) a copy of the ford mustang :D
the firebird was simply the pontiac version of the camaro. nothing very original
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-Automobile Magazine
http://www.automobilemag.com/reviews/driven/0808_2010_chevrolet_camaro/index.html
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simple things get the job done best :D
what i think would make a good camaro would be for them to throw one of the corvette engines in it.
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Needs Chrome bumpers & trim to set it apart
Right now it does look too much like a mustang
WINNER!!
what i've been saying all along. the camaro originally was in answer to, and a copy of the mustang. throughout its history it has been. this simply reinforces that fact/.
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Chevy's suck.
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WINNER!!
what i've been saying all along. the camaro originally was in answer to, and a copy of the mustang. throughout its history it has been. this simply reinforces that fact/.
Well, it looks like the "copy" trounces the original.
Stings, don't it?
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What happens when GM merges with Chrysler? Will the Camaro become the new PT Cruiser?
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They test drove a pre-production mule and liked it. I don't believe Ford is tucking their tail and running because of one warm review.
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Holy crap you Ford guys get butt hurt easy. This is going to be fun!
By the way, that was one of 3 reviews, the others being Car and Driver and Kelly Blue Book that said the same thing. Oh, it's a 99% engineering correct "test mule" so the production cars are going to be even better. Yes, I know KBB isn't an automotive journal authority but still, you guys are fun to jack with.
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Chevy's suck.
actually, they DON'T suck. i drove a 68 camaro at the drag strip for a couple years. big block, 9.9 ar de-tuned to run low 10's. got a rush every time i drove that car.
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Camaro:G8 = Challenger:Charger. Another near legendary name applied to a sedan with some doors cut off.
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Hubs, it's been that way since the intro of the Mustang in '64.
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actually, they DON'T suck. i drove a 68 camaro at the drag strip for a couple years. big block, 9.9 ar de-tuned to run low 10's. got a rush every time i drove that car.
Yep, and that's like saying the Bullitt Mustang sucks but I'd kill to drive the original.
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Well, it looks like the "copy" trounces the original.
Stings, don't it?
heh......doesn't sting me.
what'll sting, is the kid that has one, and gets beaten by a big fat ugly red car with a sticker in the back window that says "honk if parts fall off" :rofl
i don't know what chevy's pricing them at, but i'm fairly sure that to get a decent stang, you're in the 40k range?
not willing to spend that on a car. not with the dimwits driving around here.
my dakota got hit while it was parked in philly last month.....by a drunk woman. my taurus got hit the day the dakota was done. the taurus was parked at my shop. and the frigin dope backed the eff up, making it worse! had that been a brand new mustang.........or any brand new car................ :mad:
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Holy crap you Ford guys get butt hurt easy. This is going to be fun!
By the way, that was one of 3 reviews, the others being Car and Driver and Kelly Blue Book that said the same thing. Oh, it's a 99% engineering correct "test mule" so the production cars are going to be even better. Yes, I know KBB isn't an automotive journal authority but still, you guys are fun to jack with.
glad to be of service!! :rofl :aok
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Yep, and that's like saying the Bullitt Mustang sucks but I'd kill to drive the original.
or even the charger, eh? :D
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Call it a two door G8 then- don't insult us. The only reason it's called a Camaro is because calling a turd a chocolate bar sells more turds to idiots. Enjoy your chocolate bar.
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Wasn't the original Mustang just a rebodied Comet?
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Milo gets it...
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Please sir, may i have one? :(
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The Australian 6 cylinder Ford engines are faster than the 5.4L V8s.
I could be wrong but i'm pretty sure this thing is sitting on a Holden designed chasis (same as the Commodores)
Tronsky
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Holy crap you Ford guys get butt hurt easy. This is going to be fun!
Seeing as how my wife drives a Dodge, I spend most of time in a Monte Carlo, and then there's a '68 Merc in the garage I'm hardly what you would call a Ford guy. I said the same thing when the Mustang came out. Beautiful styling, but let's get a few on the road before we proclaim them King.
If it's true that it's basically a two door G8 then color me disappointed. I took a G8 on a test drive a few weeks back and was devestated. I loved the styling and the feel of the driving position, but actually going down the road was woeful. It was fine as long as you were cruising at speed, but I got it in the twisty's with a lot of throttle and brake and it became unbearable.
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So... What're the prices for V6 and V8?
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http://www.chevrolet.com/camaro/?evar1=camaro_presale
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Sorry Tongs, I can't quote on the phone. I wouldn't be surprised if it was a Holden chasis, Ford America have been evaluating the XR6 Turbo for the US market in attempt to gain some market position back because their sedans are rubbish. I woudn't be surprised if GM were taking bits from Holden, they already poached the Monaro and ruined it with a gross body kit and grill. Haha
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8k from base to V8 is pretty steep..
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Camaro:G8 = Challenger:Charger. Another near legendary name applied to a sedan with some doors cut off.
ya, back in the 60's camaro=firebird, mustang = couger
what's yer point sir?
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Wasn't the original Mustang just a rebodied Comet?
the original mustang was a slightly stretched, re-suspended, re-engined falcon.
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I'm disappointed that they went with the style they did. The production model is based on a concept that drew heavily from the 69 Camaro. I really liked the one that was based on the 67 - 68; it had nice flowing lines without the sharp edges, with recessed headlights and chrome bumpers. It was a lot classier.
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http://www.chevrolet.com/camaro/?evar1=camaro_presale
starting at 22k?
the 09 mustang starts at 19k
that means, that to get either one of them in a nice V8, and handling package, they're gonna cost more than any mustang or camaro is worth.
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I'm disappointed that they went with the style they did. The production model is based on a concept that drew heavily from the 69 Camaro. I really liked the one that was based on the 67 - 68; it had nice flowing lines without the sharp edges, recessed headlights and chrome bumpers. It was a lot classier.
i like the looks of it.......but i kinda don't like the tail lights. they almost look like corvette taillights, just stuck in there. think they'd have done better to use something more resembling the older style lights......
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starting at 22k?
the 09 mustang starts at 19k
that means, that to get either one of them in a nice V8, and handling package, they're gonna cost more than any mustang or camaro is worth.
The base $22.9k V6 Camaro has 300 HP, same as the $28.7k Mustang GT V8.
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Any opinions on the Rousch Stage 2 Mustang?
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Any opinions on the Rousch Stage 2 Mustang?
dunno bout the roush mustang...but i was just on this site.....http://www.fordvehicles.com/cars/mustang/models/
HOLY CRAP!!!!
how the hell does ford justify 80k for a dam MUSTANG? i mean, i love mustangs, and think they're much much better than any of you guys give em credit for, but the only mustangs worth that much are rare 60's models restored.........
this one, although not a KR, is a bit more reasonable, but still too expensive for a mustang i think......http://www.fordvehicles.com/cars/mustang/models/
think i won't be looking at any of them any time soon :rofl
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Because u pay $40K for "S H E L B Y"?
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Because u pay $40K for "S H E L B Y"?
nah..it has performance upgrades too......but the point i was making is that 40k for a mustang, camaro, charger,,,,,any of these....is outragous. these were originally intended to be affordable performance cars.
40k isn't really affordable to me, at least not for something i'm gonna beat the snot out of....and yes, if i bought any of those, i would indeed have it at the track every weekend.
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I think you have to wake up and smell the coffee Cap1 :P
Well, it's the same as it always was "at the time". The basic crapy model was cheap, the high perf one was high $$$.
1967 Mustang coupe $2,461
1967 GT350 $3,994
1967 GT500 $4,195
1967 Super Snake was planed for $7,500, but only one ended up made out of 50 planed.
That kind of follow today's figures of $23K base v6, $28K GT, $33K Shelby GT, $40K GT500, $80K 715HP Super Snake.
I bet you can find similar price jumps between a 1971 V6 Challenger, and 71 Challenger R/T six pack, or a 1969 Camaro with a straight 6, a 1969 396 RS/SS, and Yenko Camaro.
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Sorry Tongs, I can't quote on the phone. I wouldn't be surprised if it was a Holden chasis, Ford America have been evaluating the XR6 Turbo for the US market in attempt to gain some market position back because their sedans are rubbish. I woudn't be surprised if GM were taking bits from Holden, they already poached the Monaro and ruined it with a gross body kit and grill. Haha
With the debut of the Ecoboost motors i doubt they will be grabbing any motors from down-undah, except maybe a chassis but, with the modeo platform in Europe, I doubt that will happen either. Ford Europe has some great cars and I'm still stunned that they are just now making arrangements to bring them here.
GM has had four years to plan a Mustang beater so.. DUH! When you're the johnny-come-lately it is easy to one up the competition. We'll see if Ford is able to get the EB V6 into the stang quick enough and, with the new 5.0 coming down, it should be an interesting match up. However, we all know that despite great performance, the blue oval still won the pony car war and they won it big. I doubt that things will change anytime soon especially with FoMoCo's quality currently superior to GM's but, that could change.
My only wish for the new Camero is better looks. It's so close to a good looking car its just in the details that they lose me. "Slabbish" is the word i would use. Less round and more crisp is what i want.
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GM's had much more than 4 years to plan, 2002 was the last F-body. They only started in '05.
As for styling, yeah it could be better. But I suspect it will get better as the platform ages. But then again it could get worse. I'm one of the few that prefers the look of the LT1 Camaros over the LS1 Camaros.
And it is Cam"a"ro, not Cam"e"ro. You've had at least 41 years to prepare for that.
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V6 camaro? Trying to appeal to the european woman's market?
Well it worked for Ford and its Mustang V6...my wife bought one. :cry :cry :cry
And let me just add, that a stock Ford Mustang suspension (this one is 2005, first year of the retro look) SUCKS big time. My freaking 27 ft. motorhome corners better than her Mustang, I watermelon you not.
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GM's had much more than 4 years to plan, 2002 was the last F-body. They only started in '05.
As for styling, yeah it could be better. But I suspect it will get better as the platform ages. But then again it could get worse. I'm one of the few that prefers the look of the LT1 Camaros over the LS1 Camaros.
And it is Cam"a"ro, not Cam"e"ro. You've had at least 41 years to prepare for that.
I'll bet you that the Chevy Volt outsells the Camaro 2 to 1 by 2011.
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Well, that's certainly a scenario. I doubt it'll come to fruition but you never know...
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I think you have to wake up and smell the coffee Cap1 :P
Well, it's the same as it always was "at the time". The basic crapy model was cheap, the high perf one was high $$$.
1967 Mustang coupe $2,461
1967 GT350 $3,994
1967 GT500 $4,195
1967 Super Snake was planed for $7,500, but only one ended up made out of 50 planed.
That kind of follow today's figures of $23K base v6, $28K GT, $33K Shelby GT, $40K GT500, $80K 715HP Super Snake.
I bet you can find similar price jumps between a 1971 V6 Challenger, and 71 Challenger R/T six pack, or a 1969 Camaro with a straight 6, a 1969 396 RS/SS, and Yenko Camaro.
well...had i been old enough to consider the purchase of one, aback then, i'd probably be saying the same thing.
on that note, i did in 1983 buy a brand new mustang. 5.0L 5speed, TRX suspension(blech!) hatchback. it was all options. ford(according to the dealer) didn't have anything besides the GT with a v8 in it. so i had to special order this one. it was an LX model hatchback. i didn't opt for air, or anything besides an am/fm radio, as all i was interested in was the hot rod aspect of it.
that car cost me 10k and change. granted it was over 20 years ago, but still..........
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Wasn't the original Mustang just a rebodied Comet?
You're not too far off, it was a rebodied Falcon.
Mark
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OK, no chrome bumpers but this one is way cooler than the one they built-
(http://www.autoblog.nl/images/chevrolet_camaro_concept.jpg)
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-Automobile Magazine
http://www.automobilemag.com/reviews/driven/0808_2010_chevrolet_camaro/index.html
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What's with the Dodge Charger?? LOL!!! That does not scream Camaro.
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Ugh, God no...never liked that concept. Looks more like a mad Miata...I'll pass. (In response to Sluggish post)
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And it is Cam"a"ro, not Cam"e"ro. You've had at least 41 years to prepare for that.
I preferred the Firebird anyway, starting with my '73.
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V6 camaro? Trying to appeal to the european woman's market?
Get used to it. V8's are incompatible with the 35mpg CAFE target so expect to see more and more blown V6's and I4's.
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I preferred the Firebird anyway, starting with my '73.
I did to, starting with my '77 S.E. Trans Am. But that all changed with the 4Gen f-body.
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More emphasis should be placed on inline 6 instead of V6 engines. My inline 6 puts out so much torque and sounds so much better than V6s of similar sizes. A 4.0L I6 sounds so much better than V6s. There is also lots of room left in the engine bay too. People bolt turbos and superchargers on all the time without having to make room at all. I'm bangin' on about this engine, sorry guys. I'll post some pictures of the engine and the new Ford XR series later, I'd like to know what you Yanks make of it.
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More emphasis should be placed on inline 6 instead of V6 engines. My inline 6 puts out so much torque and sounds so much better than V6s of similar sizes. A 4.0L I6 sounds so much better than V6s. There is also lots of room left in the engine bay too. People bolt turbos and superchargers on all the time without having to make room at all. I'm bangin' on about this engine, sorry guys. I'll post some pictures of the engine and the new Ford XR series later, I'd like to know what you Yanks make of it.
My cod please gimme that ausie ford falcon.
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More emphasis should be placed on inline 6 instead of V6 engines. My inline 6 puts out so much torque and sounds so much better than V6s of similar sizes. A 4.0L I6 sounds so much better than V6s. There is also lots of room left in the engine bay too. People bolt turbos and superchargers on all the time without having to make room at all. I'm bangin' on about this engine, sorry guys. I'll post some pictures of the engine and the new Ford XR series later, I'd like to know what you Yanks make of it.
Funny you should bring that up as in the late 80's while I was in the navy I was pretty damned impressed with the products Ford in Europe were making then. I thought Ford would be foolish not to try and sell them in the North American market. Well, in typical Ford style they came up with the Merkur brand and imported those cars completely messed up and given stupid names like XR4Ti. Leave it to Ford to make a good product and then totaly phuq it up.
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XR6
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v700/MrTurbo/XR6T17.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v700/MrTurbo/myxr6t.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v700/MrTurbo/xr2.jpg)
(http://users.tpg.com.au/chocnamy/Blood_Orange_BA_XR6T.jpg)
XR8
(http://www.fpvxrclubact.com/galleries/owners/images/ba_xr8_vic01.jpg)
(http://www1.autotrader.com.au/Mellor/Mellor.Nsf/0/4774E61EEE33AA2CCA256C2A00234933/$file/2002.09.04_Ford%20XR8_combined.jpg?OpenElement)
Clips:
Stock NA XR6
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuOz9sCNHJ4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuOz9sCNHJ4)
another NA XR6
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JniCHzxkj_Y (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JniCHzxkj_Y)
This is an older I6 engine:
Some silly bugger with the same car as me :) (1995 I6 Falcon):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NFt__PwoWU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NFt__PwoWU)
Sounds pretty good for a stock 6 cylinder engine, I think. Particularly one that is 13 years old (and his has done 230k! mine is a baby, still only done 120k km)
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I'm sorta digging that hugger orange one, Xas.
Here's my pride and joy. And, no, I'm not buying a new Camaro to replace it with. I like this one far too much for that.
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g308/txflood77598/P1010019enhancedA.jpg)
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g308/txflood77598/P1010026enhanced.jpg)
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Funny you should bring that up as in the late 80's while I was in the navy I was pretty damned impressed with the products Ford in Europe were making then. I thought Ford would be foolish not to try and sell them in the North American market. Well, in typical Ford style they came up with the Merkur brand and imported those cars completely messed up and given stupid names like XR4Ti. Leave it to Ford to make a good product and then totaly phuq it up.
heh......the xr4ti.......i remember them. such fine examples of engineering :rolleyes:
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I did to, starting with my '77 S.E. Trans Am. But that all changed with the 4Gen f-body.
You have to admit that last WS6 TA was bad azz.
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You have to admit that last WS6 TA was bad azz.
There's a SOM (sunset orange metallic) 2001 WS6 that I would have bought before the Z28 but the guy wanted far too much for it.
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OK Body style, crap car
(http://www.camarotech.com/images/CamaroThirdGen-IROC-3quarter_500.jpg)
Right off show room floor it was a Crap body style and an even crappier car
(http://www.camarotech.com/images/CamaroFourthGen-3quarter_500.jpg)
The new one has a nice body style and might be a better car than previous American blundermobiles but I still would not buy one new. In fact i have not bought a new American car for decades.
The reason.....it makes absolutely no sense to buy something that needs repair right out of the wrapper. Let someone else go through all the trouble of going back and forth to the dealership fixing all the small stuff that wasn't done right the first time. I'm also not willing to blindly lose 25 to 30% of my cars value the very moment I sign the paperwork.
2008 Dodge Charger
Price $26,500 minus an immediate loss of $6,600 = $19,900...... minus ...the more you drive it the less it becomes worth and don't forget to figure the tax and financing charges you'll be spending for it.
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That's why you buy freshly used cars with low Ks on the clock.
Provided you buy it from someone who ran the engine in properly, you'll get a car with 20 000 KM on the clock and save yourself a cool $10k.
I'll only buy brand spanking new if I end up with bucket loads of cash later in life.
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Funny you should bring that up as in the late 80's while I was in the navy I was pretty damned impressed with the products Ford in Europe were making then....
In the late 80's, Ford's European lineup included the Mk 2 Fiesta, the Mk2/3 Escort, the Sierra and the Granada. All truly awful cars which no true car lover would touch (the Sierra RS Cosworth being the one very notable exception). That era marked the absolute low-point of Ford in Europe. Which makes their turn-around in the ninties - starting with the introduction of the Mondeo (dull but much better to drive than its mainstream competition) and latterly the 'New-Edge' Focus and Ka - all the more remarkable. Right now, Ford in Europe builds some of the best driving cars in their classes - the current Focus (the Mk2 - not the ugly face lifted Mk1 on sale in the US) and Mondeo are exceptional products (from a driver's perspective) as is apparently the forthcoming Fiesta. The new Ka is based on the same platform as the 'cooler than a MINI' Fiat 500 so should be pretty good too.
Unfortunately, even with such a great lineup, Ford in Europe's image will be forever tarnished by the dross they turned out in the eighties.
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In the late 80's, Ford's European lineup included the Mk 2 Fiesta, the Mk2/3 Escort, the Sierra and the Granada. All truly awful cars which no true car lover would touch (the Sierra RS Cosworth being the one very notable exception). That era marked the absolute low-point of Ford in Europe. Which makes their turn-around in the ninties - starting with the introduction of the Mondeo (dull but much better to drive than its mainstream competition) and latterly the 'New-Edge' Focus and Ka - all the more remarkable. Right now, Ford in Europe builds some of the best driving cars in their classes - the current Focus (the Mk2 - not the ugly face lifted Mk1 on sale in the US) and Mondeo are exceptional products (from a driver's perspective) as is apparently the forthcoming Fiesta. The new Ka is based on the same platform as the 'cooler than a MINI' Fiat 500 so should be pretty good too.
Unfortunately, even with such a great lineup, Ford in Europe's image will be forever tarnished by the dross they turned out in the eighties.
It may have been a low point for Ford in Europe but those products were still light-years ahead of the American products. Apparently Ford thought the samw way and decided to import them to North America.
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It may have been a low point for Ford in Europe but those products were still light-years ahead of the American products. Apparently Ford thought the samw way and decided to import them to North America.
Seems that every time ford brings on of their cars over it fails here. The contour was the Mondeo and, in SVT trim, it was an excellent car for the money.
The Merkur Xr4Ti was basically a sierra minus the 2.0 DOHC motor that powered the European Cosworth versions. I helped a buddy drop a 302 into one a number of years ago... WOW!
The Mk2 Focus is here in the US in Mazda and Volvo trim. The Mazda Speed 3 is a very nice machine.
Think Escort and a bland econo-box comes to mind. Go to Europe and it means something totally different. See http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6650811186775607339 (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6650811186775607339). Ford give me THIS car!
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Seems that every time ford brings on of their cars over it fails here. The contour was the Mondeo and, in SVT trim, it was an excellent car for the money.
The Merkur Xr4Ti was basically a sierra minus the 2.0 DOHC motor that powered the European Cosworth versions. I helped a buddy drop a 302 into one a number of years ago... WOW!
The Mk2 Focus is here in the US in Mazda and Volvo trim. The Mazda Speed 3 is a very nice machine.
Think Escort and a bland econo-box comes to mind. Go to Europe and it means something totally different. See http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6650811186775607339 (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6650811186775607339). Ford give me THIS car!
The Escort in Europe meant bland crappy hatchback beloved by OAP's and wanna-be boy-racers in XR3i trim. The Cosworth version was late model rarity as similar to standard Escorts as today's Evos are to run-of-the-mill Lancers.
The Mazda Speed 3 is apparently ruined by torque steer and isn't a match on the Focus ST for poise and handling (I've not driven either so that's based on reviews I've read). In standard spec though, other than cheapish looking trim, I would agree that the Mazda 3 is a great little car.
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The Mazda Speed 3 is apparently ruined by torque steer and isn't a match on the Focus ST for poise and handling (I've not driven either so that's based on reviews I've read). In standard spec though, other than cheapish looking trim, I would agree that the Mazda 3 is a great little car.
It is a bit torquey but significantly better then most of the FWD performance cars I've driven recently, notably the Impala SS with the V8 and the Neon SRT4. Now if the Focus had AWD like the Cosworth Escort.... mmmmmmmm
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Bah, Camaro will be weaksauce.
3860 lbs and 420 BHP for the SS? That's terrible.
The '03/'04 Cobra is still faster stock for stock. :lol
Here are the official specs.
http://www.chevrolet.com/camaro/pdf/2010+Camaro+Specifications.pdf
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My parents had an XR4TI mercur when I was a kid, I loved it, had a 4 banger and turbo, with a 5 speed. Was a pretty nice car.
Perfectly relibable as well, I think it was an 86? My parents had traded in the 84 supercoupe tbird in for it. The Tbird had turbo issues from day one and spent half the first year of ownership in the dealer.
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My parents had an XR4TI mercur when I was a kid, I loved it, had a 4 banger and turbo, with a 5 speed. Was a pretty nice car.
Perfectly relibable as well, I think it was an 86? My parents had traded in the 84 supercoupe tbird in for it. The Tbird had turbo issues from day one and spent half the first year of ownership in the dealer.
That would be a turbocoupe. The supercoupe was supercharged and a V6.
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Whatever happened to LTARdglock anyway?
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The Mazda Speed 3 is apparently ruined by torque steer and isn't a match on the Focus ST for poise and handling (I've not driven either so that's based on reviews I've read). In standard spec though, other than cheapish looking trim, I would agree that the Mazda 3 is a great little car.
My mother has a Focus and I'd say it has diddlying awful torque steer. It's a brilliant car.... absolutely perfect for her, it's nippy, looks fantastic... smooth, quiet and all that jazz... very nice car but when I drive it and give it a bit of a kicking at the lights it torque steers badly. I'm used to a heavy I6 RWD, though but my missus has a FWD car, though it is a 3.6L V6 and it has very little torque steer... barely noticeable. My mother's Focus, on the other hand' will track across the road if left uncorrected under power.
I really like that car because I found it for her. I did all the leg work, organised the test drive and check-over and got her a frigging brilliant price for a high-end Focus with low Ks, so I've taken more interest in it than I otherwise would have. It's not a car that I would like to drive but for what it is, it's fantastic.
To the Mazda 3, if the Focus is considered a standard in poise off the line I would be very suspicious of the Mazda... I would be unhappy with the Focus if it were any worse it that area. Infact, I consider its torque steering habbits as the only downfall in otherwise outstanding small car.
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I preferred the Firebird anyway, starting with my '73.
You got a picture of that? :devil
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Bah, Camaro will be weaksauce.
3860 lbs and 420 BHP for the SS? That's terrible.
The '03/'04 Cobra is still faster stock for stock. :lol
Here are the official specs.
http://www.chevrolet.com/camaro/pdf/2010+Camaro+Specifications.pdf
hp is good, and i remember gm saying it was going to leave 100 hp on the table for chips or programers! but that 3860 is not too good, i remember running the 70s f body at just under 3100lbs without a lot of parts missing!
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This is the auction price of the 08 chargers right now and below the 08 Mustangs. Not that many Chargers but lots of Mustangs out there.
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Bah, Camaro will be weaksauce.
3860 lbs and 420 BHP for the SS? That's terrible.
The '03/'04 Cobra is still faster stock for stock. :lol
Here are the official specs.
http://www.chevrolet.com/camaro/pdf/2010+Camaro+Specifications.pdf
Faster? The SS hasn't even been tested yet. :rolleyes:
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In the late 80's, Ford's European lineup included the Mk 2 Fiesta, the Mk2/3 Escort, the Sierra and the Granada. All truly awful cars which no true car lover would touch (the Sierra RS Cosworth being the one very notable exception).
yup, characterless chitboxes..euro fords sucked big time in the 80's.
brit fords of the 60's and 70's however generally rocked.
gotta love that ford consul in the best cop show ever
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D99O6oTJVHo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D99O6oTJVHo)
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This is the auction price of the 08 chargers right now and below the 08 Mustangs. Not that many Chargers but lots of Mustangs out there.
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more mustangs on the street to begin with.
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My parents had an XR4TI mercur when I was a kid, I loved it, had a 4 banger and turbo, with a 5 speed. Was a pretty nice car.
Perfectly relibable as well, I think it was an 86? My parents had traded in the 84 supercoupe tbird in for it. The Tbird had turbo issues from day one and spent half the first year of ownership in the dealer.
The Xr4Ti and the Turbocoupe had the exact same motor as did the SVO Mustang in '86.
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You got a picture of that? :devil
Not enough unfortunately :( Only pics i have left are of it in the garage on jackstands during a tranny swap and when it was 3 years old and i was .4 years old.
Tip: Muscle cars are HORRIBLE in Minnesota winters...
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Faster? The SS hasn't even been tested yet. :rolleyes:
Well, look at the power to weight. The Cobra makes ~365-380 RWHP stock - that's around 430 BHP - and it weighs 3665 lbs. It's capable of mid-high 12's @ 113 MPH stock. I'm pretty sure that the SS will not be as fast. I'd say the SS will run very low 13's, or very high 12's @ ~109. We'll see!
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Well, look at the power to weight. The Cobra makes ~365-380 RWHP stock - that's around 430 BHP - and it weighs 3665 lbs. It's capable of mid-high 12's @ 113 MPH stock. I'm pretty sure that the SS will not be as fast. I'd say the SS will run very low 13's, or very high 12's @ ~109. We'll see!
Look up Whiteman here, he and I know each other. He has a pretty much stock '01 Camaro Z28 auto. He can turn high 12's with his car and that's what, only 310 hp? Most of the LS1 F-fody's around here are consistent low-13's stock, 12's slightly moded, and well into the low 12's high 11's with the some mods. Only took Ford 3 more camshafts and a blower. Put a blower on the 420hp SS and let's see what happens. SVT you can claim to be stock, and I'll more or less agree with you, but we all know it's an after-market tuning company for Ford, much like SLP.
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Look up Whiteman here, he and I know each other. He has a pretty much stock '01 Camaro Z28 auto. He can turn high 12's with his car and that's what, only 310 hp? Most of the LS1 F-fody's around here are consistent low-13's stock, 12's slightly moded, and well into the low 12's high 11's with the some mods. Only took Ford 3 more camshafts and a blower. Put a blower on the 420hp SS and let's see what happens. SVT you can claim to be stock, and I'll more or less agree with you, but we all know it's an after-market tuning company for Ford, much like SLP.
the ls1's are 350's right?
my understanding was that the late 90's to the end of production, the camaros ran hi 12's? i though i remembered reading or hearing this somewhere, as it surprised me that ford went and slowed their cars down, while chevy finally went faster?
also, i'm wondering if the manufacturers are playing the horsepower game they used to play....by under-rating them in some cases for insurance?
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the ls1's are 350's right?
my understanding was that the late 90's to the end of production, the camaros ran hi 12's? i though i remembered reading or hearing this somewhere, as it surprised me that ford went and slowed their cars down, while chevy finally went faster?
also, i'm wondering if the manufacturers are playing the horsepower game they used to play....by under-rating them in some cases for insurance?
ermm displacement anyone?
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ermm displacement anyone?
350=5.7L
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350=5.7L
I was addressing why the fords got slower and the cheveys got faster.
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I was addressing why the fords got slower and the cheveys got faster.
DOH!!!
sorry bout that :rofl :rofl
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I was addressing why the fords got slower and the cheveys got faster.
With SVT Ford's focus shifted to a complete car as opposed to a straight line performance car. One of the hallmarks of the cobras (until recently) were their ability to turn a corner and still provide good grunt to boot. GM focused more on 0-60 and 1/4 time performance.
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With SVT Ford's focus shifted to a complete car as opposed to a straight line performance car. One of the hallmarks of the cobras (until recently) were their ability to turn a corner and still provide good grunt to boot. GM focused more on 0-60 and 1/4 time performance.
<--- owner of an svt focus. Know all about SVTs.
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<--- owner of an svt focus. Know all about SVTs.
I drove an SVT Focus from Minneapolis to Chicago to do a Richard Petty Experience... I went faster on the interstate then they would let us go on the track. It was a great car that could have been made much better with about 20 more horsepower. But, as good as the focus was, the SVT Contour was much better.
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I drove an SVT Focus from Minneapolis to Chicago to do a Richard Petty Experience... I went faster on the interstate then they would let us go on the track. It was a great car that could have been made much better with about 20 more horsepower. But, as good as the focus was, the SVT Contour was much better.
With 20 more hp the contour wouldn't stand a chance.
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Look up Whiteman here, he and I know each other. He has a pretty much stock '01 Camaro Z28 auto. He can turn high 12's with his car and that's what, only 310 hp? Most of the LS1 F-fody's around here are consistent low-13's stock, 12's slightly moded, and well into the low 12's high 11's with the some mods. Only took Ford 3 more camshafts and a blower. Put a blower on the 420hp SS and let's see what happens. SVT you can claim to be stock, and I'll more or less agree with you, but we all know it's an after-market tuning company for Ford, much like SLP.
The '01 Camaro weighs ~3300 lbs, not 3860 - and I know they can run that ET with some good tires, but the trap speed isn't there. A stock '03 Cobra pulls pretty hard on a stock '01 Z28 - as the Z28 only traps ~106ish - compared to ~110-113 for the Cobra.
A stock '03 Cobra is just that, a stock car from Ford. It isn't some tuning company, it's a special vehicle team that makes Ford's flagship performance cars, it isn't like SLP, where GM takes a Camaro and has SLP install the mods.
Given that the internals aren't forged on the SS, the safe limit is probably somewhere in the high 400 to low 500 RWHP range - I'll still be faster with my 516 RWHP Cobra - could throw on a Kenne Bell and make ~600 RWHP reliably without ever taking the heads off. So what if Ford only has the 4.6L? Power is power - it just happens that they gave us a forged engine and a blower from the factory.
Chevy has always been ahead of Ford in the engine size department, and the speed department until the '03/'04 Cobra (except for the Z06's). The only replacement for displacement is forced induction, but as you know the bigger engine is always going to make more power for a given amount of boost - it just happens that the Cobra was given the right stuff at the factory to make up for it's lack of displacement.
Would be cool to see this SS with a forged engine and forced induction from the factory - would certainly make up for it's weight problem.
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The '01 Camaro weighs ~3300 lbs, not 3860 - and I know they can run that ET with some good tires, but the trap speed isn't there. A stock '03 Cobra pulls pretty hard on a stock '01 Z28 - as the Z28 only traps ~106ish - compared to ~110-113 for the Cobra.
A stock '03 Cobra is just that, a stock car from Ford. It isn't some tuning company, it's a special vehicle team that makes Ford's flagship performance cars, it isn't like SLP, where GM takes a Camaro and has SLP install the mods.
Given that the internals aren't forged on the SS, the safe limit is probably somewhere in the high 400 to low 500 RWHP range - I'll still be faster with my 516 RWHP Cobra - could throw on a Kenne Bell and make ~600 RWHP reliably without ever taking the heads off. So what if Ford only has the 4.6L? Power is power - it just happens that they gave us a forged engine and a blower from the factory.
Chevy has always been ahead of Ford in the engine size department, and the speed department until the '03/'04 Cobra (except for the Z06's). The only replacement for displacement is forced induction, but as you know the bigger engine is always going to make more power for a given amount of boost - it just happens that the Cobra was given the right stuff at the factory to make up for it's lack of displacement.
Would be cool to see this SS with a forged engine and forced induction from the factory - would certainly make up for it's weight problem.
You can use semantics all you want the fact is the Cobra is a special vehicle far beyond what would be considered "stock". Just because SLP is a completely separate entity from GM doesn't mean SVT does the exact same thing for Ford. We all know the 4.6's are hand build for the Cobra's. To compare that to the standard production techniques of the LS1's is dumb. 2 completely different classes of V8's, UNLESS you want to compare it to the 638hp LS9. And if you want to, go ahead.
Trap speed, as you well know, is an idicator of HP. But it isn't all that determines trap time. Good tires or not (his was stock street tires nothing special) you can get an LS1 up and beyond what a Cobra can do without having to rely on 4 cams, forged internals and forced induction which is what Ford was forced to do when it came out with the modular 4.6. Now, lets compare the 2 engines, forged internals, 4 OHC vs 1 pushrod cam, forced induction vs. normally aspirated. Get the LS1 up to those specs minus the OHC's and the 4.6 is toast, plain and simple.
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You can use semantics all you want the fact is the Cobra is a special vehicle far beyond what would be considered "stock". Just because SLP is a completely separate entity from GM doesn't mean SVT does the exact same thing for Ford. We all know the 4.6's are hand build for the Cobra's. To compare that to the standard production techniques of the LS1's is dumb. 2 completely different classes of V8's, UNLESS you want to compare it to the 638hp LS9. And if you want to, go ahead.
Trap speed, as you well know, is an idicator of HP. But it isn't all that determines trap time. Good tires or not (his was stock street tires nothing special) you can get an LS1 up and beyond what a Cobra can do without having to rely on 4 cams, forged internals and forced induction which is what Ford was forced to do when it came out with the modular 4.6. Now, lets compare the 2 engines, forged internals, 4 OHC vs 1 pushrod cam, forced induction vs. normally aspirated. Get the LS1 up to those specs minus the OHC's and the 4.6 is toast, plain and simple.
Don't forget that the 5.4 has pretty much replaced the 4.6 as the hot pony motor and even that will probably be gone in 2010 in favor of the new 5.0 that will be produced at the Windsor plant or the 6.2 from the Romeo plant.
Why Ford never capitalized on the potential of the 4.6 is beyond me. It was pumping out over 300hp in the Mk VIII in the mid 90's.
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Trap speed, as you well know, is an idicator of HP. But it isn't all that determines trap time. Good tires or not (his was stock street tires nothing special) you can get an LS1 up and beyond what a Cobra can do without having to rely on 4 cams, forged internals and forced induction which is what Ford was forced to do when it came out with the modular 4.6. Now, lets compare the 2 engines, forged internals, 4 OHC vs 1 pushrod cam, forced induction vs. normally aspirated. Get the LS1 up to those specs minus the OHC's and the 4.6 is toast, plain and simple.
Well it's just easier to make a Cobra fast than a Camaro/Vette.
Doesn't matter how the power is made, RWHP is RWHP (well N/A is the best power, but I have yet to see an advantage on the street, mine is practically instant boost at any RPM with the Eaton). But the bigger engine is certainly the way to go, just sucks you have to build it if you want any decent amount of boost.
You gotta give props to the Cobra though. The 5.4L would be awesome if the GT500 didn't weigh 3920 lbs. A 600 RWHP Cobra is about even with a ~680 RWHP GT500 from my experience, that's terrible - and a ~500 RWHP C6 Z06 is right there with them :lol I love the Z's. I wish Ford would make some big power / displacement N/A engines.
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Much as I dislike Fords .. if they put the new stang on a serious diet so the motor could pull it, they'd rock.
I couldnt beleive when I first heard that the new stang weighed so much .. it's not a big car, must be that Ford engineering.
As for the ease of makin the LS-1 faster . .er .. bolt on a procharger.
Instant 600hp.. or so .. depending on how fast you want to turn the pully.
Or a lotta people just do heads/cam ..500hp.
Then there's the guys that do twin turbo ..1000hp or more for the killer setups.
It's easy to do .. all it takes is money :)
Or .. you can buy the new LS based 454 motor ..bolt in 600hp.. usin a single 4-barrel no less.
Then bolt on the procharger.. or twin turbo *that* beast.
I know I know .. you can get an aluminum SOHC motor for the Ford ..but at that stage, wouldn't we all rather just get a Keith Black Blown Hemi motor and have at it? -evil grin-
-GE aka Frank
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Well it's just easier to make a Cobra fast than a Camaro/Vette. no, no it's not. you can slap headers, cam, intake, injectors, and a plethora of other bolt ons onto ANY v8, and make them faster.
Doesn't matter how the power is made, RWHP is RWHP (well N/A is the best power, but I have yet to see an advantage on the street, mine is practically instant boost at any RPM with the Eaton). But the bigger engine is certainly the way to go, just sucks you have to build it if you want any decent amount of boost.bigger is better.......on the track. on the street, it can be, but all in all, todays smallblock chevys, and the yblock fords can produce ungodl amounts of horsepower reliably, and more effeciently.
You gotta give props to the Cobra though. The 5.4L would be awesome if the GT500 didn't weigh 3920 lbs. A 600 RWHP Cobra is about even with a ~680 RWHP GT500 from my experience, that's terrible - and a ~500 RWHP C6 Z06 is right there with them :lol I love the Z's. I wish Ford would make some big power / displacement N/A engines.
i'd be more inclined to give it props had ford kept it affordable for the masses. that's what the stang was originally intended for. a good pony car for the masses.
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Much as I dislike Fords .. if they put the new stang on a serious diet so the motor could pull it, they'd rock.
I couldnt beleive when I first heard that the new stang weighed so much .. it's not a big car, must be that Ford engineering.
just outta curiousity......why exactly DO you hate fords?
As for the ease of makin the LS-1 faster . .er .. bolt on a procharger.
Instant 600hp.. or so .. depending on how fast you want to turn the pully.
Or a lotta people just do heads/cam ..500hp.although this is the way i'd go..in fact i did with my 89.....most would simply bolt on a nitrous kit. personally, i don;t like nitrous, but to each his own i guess...
Then there's the guys that do twin turbo ..1000hp or more for the killer setups.
It's easy to do .. all it takes is money :)
Or .. you can buy the new LS based 454 motor ..bolt in 600hp.. usin a single 4-barrel no less.
Then bolt on the procharger.. or twin turbo *that* beast.for the street? why a carb? FI although a bit harder to set up, works a lot better.
I know I know .. you can get an aluminum SOHC motor for the Ford ..but at that stage, wouldn't we all rather just get a Keith Black Blown Hemi motor and have at it? -evil grin-uumm.ain't it kinda nuts comparin these two?
ford dropped the ball BIG TIME when they didn't capatilize on the potential of the 4.6. these blocks can handle over 700hp in stock form. the basic design looks like a modernized, shrunken down 427 SOHC. oo...and with a much better timing chain setup.
-GE aka Frank
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Much as I dislike Fords
I'll never understand this, never. Each car company has their shining jewel and each has their pile-o-poop. I guess it's just human nature to herd, bunch a fan bois.
Not singling you out GE, the statement just irks me. Could have been "Much as I dislike Chevys.".
For the record I now own.
00 Dakota R/T
03 Focus SVT
68 GTO
If a car has a bit of that "something" I'll like it. If not it's just transportation.
I return you now to the fanboi car fest.
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I'll never understand this, never. Each car company has their shining jewel and each has their pile-o-poop. I guess it's just human nature to herd, bunch a fan bois.
Not singling you out GE, the statement just irks me. Could have been "Much as I dislike Chevys.".
For the record I now own.
00 Dakota R/T
03 Focus SVT
68 GTO
If a car has a bit of that "something" I'll like it. If not it's just transportation.
I return you now to the fanboi car fest.
good point.
97 dakota sport(318 5 spd)
78 fairmont futura(5.0L FI 5 spd)
93 geo prism
95 ford taurus
till the dakota, i've almost always owned chevy trucks. fav. was my 70 with the 400 small block.
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Forgot to add something.
I'd like for all of these car companies to offer a real base model once again.
No air
No power seats
no power windows
no power mirrors
ect
ect
ect
IIRC Ford in 89 offerd the LX notch back in such a fashion. You could option out for the 3.73 gears. It was faster and handled better than the top dollar GT, for under 10k.
Would I buy a new Camaro in the above option? Hell yes, It'd be one hell of a ride.
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I'll never understand this, never. Each car company has their shining jewel and each has their pile-o-poop. I guess it's just human nature to herd, bunch a fan bois.
Not singling you out GE, the statement just irks me. Could have been "Much as I dislike Chevys.".
For the record I now own.
00 Dakota R/T
03 Focus SVT
68 GTO
If a car has a bit of that "something" I'll like it. If not it's just transportation.
I return you now to the fanboi car fest.
My father, grandfather and great grandfather worked for GM. We never even really looked at the other two of the big three. Back in 88 when my dad bought an Escort (for fuel economy) the guys he worked with gave him a really hard time. Now when you drive through (what's left of) the parking lots, it's nothing to see many foreign cars as well as Fords and Chryslers.
Even though the Camaro is a knock off of the Mustang, it has taken on a personality of its own. My favorites would be the 67 - 68. I have grown to appreciate the stang over the years. I think my favorite would be the 68 - 69 Mach I with the heavily sloped rear window.
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I dislike Ford's for several reasons and I will never own another one.
How many bolts used to attach a water pump to a 289?
Yes.. it PISSED me OFF when I changed the water pump on our '67 Mustang,
..not only do you have to take the radiator out, you have to find every stinking one of the 17 frik-kin bolts that FORD decided was necessary to hold a frik-kin water pump on.
Just for laffs.. how many bolts on a Mopar B or RB motor (typical 383 or 440 ..or Hemi for that matter)?
4. Count 'em. Takes about 5 minutes if you're slow.
Little plate that comes out of the water pump housing that holds the bearing, the shaft for the pulley, and that's it. Amazingly simple and works.
How many on your typical small block chebby (and big block for that matter?)
4 again. All that. It's a bigger peice than the Mopar, still not bad tho.
What ever happened to Henry's premise of keeping it as simple as possible?
Well .. apparantly they hired some 'engineer's' who got about as far away as they could from that premise.
Then there's Ford's penchant for making a real nice motor ..for .. ohh .. a year.
Sometimes two.
Good luck finding a Boss anything in a junkyard to play with.
May as well label most of Fords 'better ideas' in engines as unobtainium, because you will rarely get the chance to play with one .. unlike the 750 thousand 440's out there that Mopar made, or the gazillion small block/big block chebbies that run as good or better than anything Ford ever made.
Yes, their new stang motor is 'ok' .. to me it's a shame they didn't take a page from the Boss Mustang
and offer the big motor fire-breather
..if any remember them, they had lousy low end torque,
you never ..EVER ..stepped on the gas unless the car was straight
..it would get so sideways so fast it was scary when it came on the cam
.. they were 'radical' right off the showroom floor.
Lumpy idling, no traction, big balls scary fast, needed BIG sticky tires ..stock.
I had a friend who had a Boss 302 Mustang,
bought it new and he used to run down the lines of orange cones
just to piss off the street worker types, and loved doin it sideways.
Years later met someone who had restored his Boss 429 Mustang.
First road trip, his wife was drivin while he slept,
she pulled out to pass a Semi and lost it completely,
it ended up into the trees, they both lived, the car was destroyed.
He was looking for a nice '65 hatchback to put the drivetrain in.
Then there's the Cleveland 351, arguably the best 'small block' ever made
..until the LS motors of chebby.
Good luck finding one of those. Not quite as rare as a boss motor,
..but in all the years I worked in speedshops building and tuning motors
..I never worked on one. Rare to see one even when they were 'new'
I dislike Fords. They suck in too many ways for me to waste any time on.
Had a guy come into the speed shop I used to work in long ago
.. asks me how to make his '65 Mustang go fast.
I told him ..go to a junkyard, find any Chebby with a 396 in it,
and stuff that into you're mustang ..it will go fast.
He did.
It did.
Told another guy the same thing about his '67 Firebird.
We did the big port, tunnel-ram 396, pump gas runnin motor, 4-gear, 4:88's in the back
..people just scratchin their heads lookin at the '350' badges on the hood,
right where the tunnel stuck out.
No one made a tunnel ram for the 350 Pontiac motor.
He useda tell people he carved the tunnel ram out of a block of aluminum.
I'm talkin gullible.
That other guy with the Boss 429? .. ya ..the firebird showed him the way home more than once.
That tunnel ram 396 cost $1500 to build up, including the cost of the motor from the junkyard.
(this was 1976-1977, SoCal)
Yes .. you can call me 'fanbois' for what I have learned over decades of actually doing that whole 'car' thing,
I still dislike Fords. I still will never own one.
I still beleive they are a complete waste of time/money to get involved in.
(unless you are a collector, and buy a car just to park it)
Since we are posting 'lists' of cars we have owned
..let me see if I can remember all of them off the top of my head..
..starting with my first and not counting motorcycles
or cars I bought then sold in a week (happens now an then)
'55 Chebby 2-door post (cost me $25, in 1965, freshman high school year)
'59 Chebby Biscayne 4-door (party car..carry a case of beer in the trunk easy :)
'60 Chebby 2-door Impala (my first cam change, a 327 car with 4:11's)
'60 VW Bug convertible. (last year of high school)
'67 Hemi GTX 4-gear car (first car I ever bought that cost over 200 dollars, HS grad present to me by me)
'63 Ford Galaxie 500 convertible, 390 motor (traded in GTX for it, I was young and stupid)
'67 289 Mustang (my last Ford ..ever)
'69 383 Road Runner, 4-gear (9 years we owned it ..a nice running car..ended with 426 wedge in it)
'64 SS Malibu, L-88 427, tunnel-rammed crazy fast car, my first 'project' car
'62 Nova wagon (cost me $100, just a cheap run around car :)
'68 Dodge Coronet R/T 440 powered .. cost me $250, the guy just wanted to get rid of it..ran fine.
'71 Duster 440 six-pac, then tunnel rammed ..my 2nd project car, too much fun, never broke.
'70 Dart Swinger 340 Scat Pac ..fun little 13 second 'family car'
'69 Chebby half ton pickup (ever cam/carb up a 250 six banger? ..they run 'well' :)
'75 Chebby half ton surfer van, flares, custom paint, shag carpet, killer stereo, excellent tow vehicle.
'67 GTX 'project car' ..never finished it, tube framed it, motor setback 13", dana set forward 5"
'87 CRX Honda, first car I ever bought right off the show room floor. A go-cart :)
'75 3/4 ton van, ex-ambulance ..dana rear, a tank ..would tow anything.
'88 Civic hatchback, life test unit ..put 187k miles on it, it broke a rod (!!) ..mechanical defect Honda said.
Suzuki Swift ..I dont remember the year, paid 200 for it.. just transportation, itty bitty car.
'90 Grand Am, lil overhead cam 4-banger hi revvin motor
'88 Bonneville, nice for a V-6 cruiser
'96 Z-28 ..second car I had ever bought right off showroom, beautiful, fast. Sucked in the snow.
'98 Durango RED ..first autotrader purchase, brand new, 20k less than local dealer wanted!!
'00 360 Durango, 3.91 gears, 4wd, alla bells an whistles. first 4wd vehicle. 4wd Lo gear meant really..really low.
'98 Vette Z-51 coupe. Top of the line for '98, the C5 Z06 didn't come out till couple years later.
-Frank aka GE
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I dislike Ford's for several reasons and I will never own another one.
-Frank aka GE
Wow! So you hate Ford because of what they did 30+ years ago? Nevermind that the 302 from the late 80's and on were excellent performance platforms as are the 4.6's. Its that sort of ignorance that makes me laugh. I do agree that Ford has dropped the ball on occasion or refused to run with some of their fantastic ideas but to hate them? If you wanted to play that game it would be just as easy to criticize GM for producing mediocre cars and covering up for it by putting a Z## badge on it just to make it look sporty. Or dropping a powerful motor into a car and neglecting brakes, suspension and especially ergonomics. Not one single car company has ever hit a home run with every car they release.
This level of willful ignorance is simply mind blowing.
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LOL GE change a starter solenoid on a bran c or drop in a distributer. They all have their little idiosyncrasies.
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ROFL Clerik
I didn't say I hate Fords.
Your definition of 'ignorance' is interesting.
Is english your second language? .. or perhaps you don't understand what the word actually refers to?
Or .. a better guess .. you dislike that I dont like Fords and can't express yourself accurately so you just barrage text to annoy and irritate.
As for what Ford has done 30 years ago ..up to today ..it's all the same.
They suck at 'engineering' in so many ways it's a complete waste of my time to get involved with another one.
But ..that's just me.
I'm sure if you spend enough time and money you can have a lot of fun with one.
Good luck with that.
First On Race Day
(first to break, first to be back on the trailer, first to go home .. the usual :)
-poke- the Ford fanbois
-GE
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Bronk .. yassir .. change a head gasket on a Caddy Northstar ..plan a weekend around it and even then, that whole motor is just a mess to work on.
Talk about being engineered for the flat rate manual .. it takes hours just to get to see the head gasket.
Some real surprises now and then that make you stop and scratch your head wondering what the heck were they thinking.
Clerick ..as for cars of the '80's .. I'll take none. Not one.
Even the corvette was crap.
Pretty sad when a 10-15 year old beater blowin oil past the valves would just blow the doors off a new car,
..I mean make it look *silly* :)
Yes.. that was the '80's.
-GE aka Frank
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Bronk .. yassir .. change a head gasket on a Caddy Northstar ..plan a weekend around it and even then, that whole motor is just a mess to work on.
Talk about being engineered for the flat rate manual .. it takes hours just to get to see the head gasket.
Some real surprises now and then that make you stop and scratch your head wondering what the heck were they thinking.
Clerick ..as for cars of the '80's .. I'll take none. Not one.
Even the corvette was crap.
Pretty sad when a 10-15 year old beater blowin oil past the valves would just blow the doors off a new car,
..I mean make it look *silly* :)
Yes.. that was the '80's.
-GE aka Frank
Agreed sir and that was my original point. They all have gems and they all have poop. Picking out the gems is whats important.
As for you 80's comment there were a few. GNX, LX 5.0's 5.7 fbodies. Now your mid/late 70's you can keep omg, they all were vanilla.
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ROFL Clerik
I didn't say I hate Fords.
Your definition of 'ignorance' is interesting.
Is english your second language? .. or perhaps you don't understand what the word actually refers to?
Or .. a better guess .. you dislike that I dont like Fords and can't express yourself accurately so you just barrage text to annoy and irritate.
As for what Ford has done 30 years ago ..up to today ..it's all the same.
They suck at 'engineering' in so many ways it's a complete waste of my time to get involved with another one.
But ..that's just me.
I'm sure if you spend enough time and money you can have a lot of fun with one.
Good luck with that.
First On Race Day
(first to break, first to be back on the trailer, first to go home .. the usual :)
-poke- the Ford fanbois
-GE
Ok, you dislike not hate. Though your tirade would suggest that you have understated your disdain for the brand.
Please, educate me as to how I misused the word "ignorance."
As for you not liking Ford, i don't really care what people do or don't like. What i can't stand are people who take a side then defend their point of view to absurdity. Ignoring reason and fact out of sheer stubbornness. The whole Ford versus Chevy thing is stupid, whats worse are the people that actually think that one brand is absolutely superior over the other.
The eary 70's to the mid 80's were indeed a blight on American motoring, with the exception of the European cars that made it over here.
"I still dislike Fords. I still will never own one. I still believe they are a complete waste of time/money to get involved in." Brilliant! You even go as far as to dismiss, out of hand, future cars that haven't even been conceived yet. With this kind of foresight you must be making billions in the stock market. Right?
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My father, grandfather and great grandfather worked for GM. We never even really looked at the other two of the big three. Back in 88 when my dad bought an Escort (for fuel economy) the guys he worked with gave him a really hard time. Now when you drive through (what's left of) the parking lots, it's nothing to see many foreign cars as well as Fords and Chryslers.
Even though the Camaro is a knock off of the Mustang, it has taken on a personality of its own. My favorites would be the 67 - 68. I have grown to appreciate the stang over the years. I think my favorite would be the 68 - 69 Mach I with the heavily sloped rear window.
the 67-69 camaros were tuely the best looking camaros built.
best looking mustangs i think were the 67-68 fastbacks, closley followed by the same year coupes. i almost bought a rustfree 67 last month........but thought better of it as i need a tow truck for the shop.
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I dislike Ford's for several reasons and I will never own another one.
How many bolts used to attach a water pump to a 289?
Yes.. it PISSED me OFF when I changed the water pump on our '67 Mustang,
..not only do you have to take the radiator out, you have to find every stinking one of the 17 frik-kin bolts that FORD decided was necessary to hold a frik-kin water pump on.yes, i agree that is annoying......but i've never had to pull the radiator to get em out. I do em in less than an hour on the 60's cars....just over that on the fox bodied stangs
Just for laffs.. how many bolts on a Mopar B or RB motor (typical 383 or 440 ..or Hemi for that matter)?
4. Count 'em. Takes about 5 minutes if you're slow.
Little plate that comes out of the water pump housing that holds the bearing, the shaft for the pulley, and that's it. Amazingly simple and works.
How many on your typical small block chebby (and big block for that matter?)
4 again. All that. It's a bigger peice than the Mopar, still not bad tho.
on the older chevys that was my vfavorite thing. their engineers weren't as good as fords though. they only added 2 more. the last buick waterpump i did(buick roadmaster with a chevy 350) had one bolt added to each side. then they placed a couple extra brackets on there that had to come off first. THAT pissed me off....and i used to crack about them hiring ford engineers to do that :rofl
What ever happened to Henry's premise of keeping it as simple as possible?
Well .. apparantly they hired some 'engineer's' who got about as far away as they could from that premise.you answered your own question
Then there's Ford's penchant for making a real nice motor ..for .. ohh .. a year.
Sometimes two. you don't think the 289 was a good motor? before you answer that, remember a 302 was nothing more than a stroked 289, and a 289 was a bored 260. essentially, the ford smallblock has been around doing well for over 40 years. they're good, reliable, and can make decent power for a smalblock.
Good luck finding a Boss anything in a junkyard to play with.i have a 70 boss302 engine in my garage. wanna buy it? :D
May as well label most of Fords 'better ideas' in engines as unobtainium, because you will rarely get the chance to play with one .. unlike the 750 thousand 440's out there that Mopar made, or the gazillion small block/big block chebbies that run as good or better than anything Ford ever made.
Yes, their new stang motor is 'ok' .. to me it's a shame they didn't take a page from the Boss Mustang
and offer the big motor fire-breather
..if any remember them, they had lousy low end torque,
you never ..EVER ..stepped on the gas unless the car was straight
..it would get so sideways so fast it was scary when it came on the cam
.. they were 'radical' right off the showroom floor.
Lumpy idling, no traction, big balls scary fast, needed BIG sticky tires ..stock.
I had a friend who had a Boss 302 Mustang,
bought it new and he used to run down the lines of orange cones
just to piss off the street worker types, and loved doin it sideways.
Years later met someone who had restored his Boss 429 Mustang.
First road trip, his wife was drivin while he slept,
she pulled out to pass a Semi and lost it completely,
it ended up into the trees, they both lived, the car was destroyed.
He was looking for a nice '65 hatchback to put the drivetrain in.
Then there's the Cleveland 351, arguably the best 'small block' ever made i'm not sure the clevlend is considered a smallblock. the 351W is a smallblock, but i thoguht the C was considered an FE block. but again, the 351W was a decent engine. the 351M sucked, big time
..until the LS motors of chebby.
Good luck finding one of those. Not quite as rare as a boss motor,
..but in all the years I worked in speedshops building and tuning motors
..I never worked on one. Rare to see one even when they were 'new'
I dislike Fords. They suck in too many ways for me to waste any time on.
Had a guy come into the speed shop I used to work in long ago
.. asks me how to make his '65 Mustang go fast.
I told him ..go to a junkyard, find any Chebby with a 396 in it, one of the 351's woulda gone in there easier....or leave the 289, and work the snot outta it.
and stuff that into you're mustang ..it will go fast.
He did.
It did.
Told another guy the same thing about his '67 Firebird.
We did the big port, tunnel-ram 396, pump gas runnin motor, 4-gear, 4:88's in the back
..people just scratchin their heads lookin at the '350' badges on the hood,
right where the tunnel stuck out.
No one made a tunnel ram for the 350 Pontiac motor.
He useda tell people he carved the tunnel ram out of a block of aluminum.
I'm talkin gullible.
That other guy with the Boss 429? .. ya ..the firebird showed him the way home more than once.
That tunnel ram 396 cost $1500 to build up, including the cost of the motor from the junkyard.
(this was 1976-1977, SoCal)boss429's were pigs. they served no purpose other than letting ford run them on the nascar tracks.
Yes .. you can call me 'fanbois' for what I have learned over decades of actually doing that whole 'car' thing,
I still dislike Fords. I still will never own one.
I still beleive they are a complete waste of time/money to get involved in.
(unless you are a collector, and buy a car just to park it)
Since we are posting 'lists' of cars we have owned my list is currently owned
..let me see if I can remember all of them off the top of my head..
..starting with my first and not counting motorcycles
or cars I bought then sold in a week (happens now an then)
'55 Chebby 2-door post (cost me $25, in 1965, freshman high school year)
'59 Chebby Biscayne 4-door (party car..carry a case of beer in the trunk easy :)
'60 Chebby 2-door Impala (my first cam change, a 327 car with 4:11's)
'60 VW Bug convertible. (last year of high school)
'67 Hemi GTX 4-gear car (first car I ever bought that cost over 200 dollars, HS grad present to me by me)
'63 Ford Galaxie 500 convertible, 390 motor (traded in GTX for it, I was young and stupid)
'67 289 Mustang (my last Ford ..ever)
'69 383 Road Runner, 4-gear (9 years we owned it ..a nice running car..ended with 426 wedge in it)
'64 SS Malibu, L-88 427, tunnel-rammed crazy fast car, my first 'project' car
'62 Nova wagon (cost me $100, just a cheap run around car :)
'68 Dodge Coronet R/T 440 powered .. cost me $250, the guy just wanted to get rid of it..ran fine.
'71 Duster 440 six-pac, then tunnel rammed ..my 2nd project car, too much fun, never broke.
'70 Dart Swinger 340 Scat Pac ..fun little 13 second 'family car'
'69 Chebby half ton pickup (ever cam/carb up a 250 six banger? ..they run 'well' :)
'75 Chebby half ton surfer van, flares, custom paint, shag carpet, killer stereo, excellent tow vehicle.
'67 GTX 'project car' ..never finished it, tube framed it, motor setback 13", dana set forward 5"
'87 CRX Honda, first car I ever bought right off the show room floor. A go-cart :)
'75 3/4 ton van, ex-ambulance ..dana rear, a tank ..would tow anything.
'88 Civic hatchback, life test unit ..put 187k miles on it, it broke a rod (!!) ..mechanical defect Honda said.
Suzuki Swift ..I dont remember the year, paid 200 for it.. just transportation, itty bitty car.
'90 Grand Am, lil overhead cam 4-banger hi revvin motor
'88 Bonneville, nice for a V-6 cruiser
'96 Z-28 ..second car I had ever bought right off showroom, beautiful, fast. Sucked in the snow.
'98 Durango RED ..first autotrader purchase, brand new, 20k less than local dealer wanted!!
'00 360 Durango, 3.91 gears, 4wd, alla bells an whistles. first 4wd vehicle. 4wd Lo gear meant really..really low.
'98 Vette Z-51 coupe. Top of the line for '98, the C5 Z06 didn't come out till couple years later.
-Frank aka GE
on your fanbois comment....i wasn't calling you that, and wasn't insuinating that. i was simply curious why you seemed to actually hate one particular make. i used to hate chevys and mopars when i was young and stupid. now i realize that anything can be made to go fast, and fairly easily. my preference is fords, but i like anything pretty much with a v8 rumblle, and lots of power. i've owned fords, dodges, and chevys. i don't let any of em piss me off if i can help it...and i can. i'm VERY good at controlling my temper.
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ROFL Clerik
I didn't say I hate Fords.
Your definition of 'ignorance' is interesting.
Is english your second language? .. or perhaps you don't understand what the word actually refers to?
Or .. a better guess .. you dislike that I dont like Fords and can't express yourself accurately so you just barrage text to annoy and irritate.
As for what Ford has done 30 years ago ..up to today ..it's all the same.
They suck at 'engineering' in so many ways it's a complete waste of my time to get involved with another one.
But ..that's just me.
I'm sure if you spend enough time and money you can have a lot of fun with one.
Good luck with that.
First On Race Day
(first to break, first to be back on the trailer, first to go home .. the usual :)
-poke- the Ford fanbois
-GE
his saying that may be my fault. i asked why you hate em, simply because the undertone of your posts implied that you do. he may have said that after reading my question.
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ROFL Clerik
I didn't say I hate Fords.
Your definition of 'ignorance' is interesting.
Is english your second language? .. or perhaps you don't understand what the word actually refers to?
Or .. a better guess .. you dislike that I dont like Fords and can't express yourself accurately so you just barrage text to annoy and irritate.
As for what Ford has done 30 years ago ..up to today ..it's all the same.
They suck at 'engineering' in so many ways it's a complete waste of my time to get involved with another one.
But ..that's just me.
I'm sure if you spend enough time and money you can have a lot of fun with one.
Good luck with that.
First On Race Day
(first to break, first to be back on the trailer, first to go home .. the usual :)
-poke- the Ford fanbois
-GE
just for the record, though.....my 89 never broke. never 6,000rpm launches on drag radials, and i drove her to and from the track. street racing, racing at a local closed down airport.....driving like an arse otw work.....she never once let me down. all i did was change the oil every month, and plugs when i decided i didn't like the way they looked anymore.
when she finally DID break, it was from a meeting with a saturn that crossed the line, and nowhere for me to go.
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Agreed sir and that was my original point. They all have gems and they all have poop. Picking out the gems is whats important.
As for you 80's comment there were a few. GNX, LX 5.0's 5.7 fbodies. Now your mid/late 70's you can keep omg, they all were vanilla.
i think the fastest F bodies in the 80's were the buick engined turbo toys, weren't they?
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i think the fastest F bodies in the 80's were the buick engined turbo toys, weren't they?
Aye but with a bit of tweaking the 5.7s could really move out.
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Aye but with a bit of tweaking the 5.7s could really move out.
I had an IROC Z with a 305 HO and 5 speed. It was very fast for the time. It would leave rubber in 4 gears. If you weren't careful hitting second or third she'd try to step sideways on you. I used to smoke 5.0 GT mustangs regularly.
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I had an IROC Z with a 305 HO and 5 speed. It was very fast for the time. It would leave rubber in 4 gears. If you weren't careful hitting second or third she'd try to step sideways on you. I used to smoke 5.0 GT mustangs regularly.
i don't doubt ya......but i also think you were commin up against the kids that had no clue how to drive em.
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i don't doubt ya......but i also think you were commin up against the kids that had no clue how to drive em.
Or the fact that the stock LX 5.0 had a little more horsepower than my current V6 mini-van and LESS than a SHO Taurus. The final version of the 5.0 was in the Explorer/Mountaineer and it was a little over 240 BPH. Sad for a V8, but given that there it plenty of bolt-on power i'm willing to forgive it.
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Or the fact that the stock LX 5.0 had a little more horsepower than my current V6 mini-van and LESS than a SHO Taurus. The final version of the 5.0 was in the Explorer/Mountaineer and it was a little over 240 BPH. Sad for a V8, but given that there it plenty of bolt-on power i'm willing to forgive it.
again, stock to stock, from about 79 to about 92 or 93, the mustangs were generally quicker than the car they were intended to compete with. cheaper too. and as has been mentioned already, very easy to modify. 94 was when ford really effed up, and made it into a super pig, as chevy made the camaro as fast as it should've been all along.
it doesn;t matter to me, as i've never looked at camaro..or any taillights in any of my street racing(back when i was dumb enough to do that), and never saw taillights of anything comparably modded to mine on the track.
oo/....wait.....yes i did...........
in bracket racing when i had to run the camaros down. i saw the lights get bigger and bigger till i was sittin next to the other guy, as i peddled it so i didn't run out :D
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i'd be more inclined to give it props had ford kept it affordable for the masses. that's what the stang was originally intended for. a good pony car for the masses.
It is/was affordable to the masses. The '03/'04 Cobra was MSRP of $35k - a very good deal given the performance capability/ease of making massive horsepower. The price of the GT500 is outrageous. I've been talking about the '03 Cobra though.
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i'm not sure the clevlend is considered a smallblock. the 351W is a smallblock, but i thoguht the C was considered an FE block. but again, the 351W was a decent engine. the 351M sucked, big time
the 351c is definitely a small block.
the 351c along with the bastard child 351m, the 400 and the aussie 302c form the 335 engine family and although most of 351m/400's came with a big block bellhousing bolt pattern they are all small block engines.
the 351w has a taller deck than the 351c but the engines are close to the same size and weight. the cleveland has the same bore size and bore spacing as the 351w/302/289 as well. although it can use the same dizzy as the 429/460 and from memory some of the c's cam journals are big block size, but that's where the similarities with the big blocks ends.
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Hmm, I love both Ponies and Camaro's, although not anything past 1976 for Pony's, and anything past 1984 for Camaro's. The good day's are gone D:. But it's okay, i still get a kick tearing ricers up in my 1990 ZR1, and 1973 Vette's.
Pony/Camaro/Challenger/Charger/etc: Great afforadable badas* rides.
Corvette: What every other muscle car aspires to be (AKA The Destroyer of Imports). :devil
I'll stick with my Vette's. :rock
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It is/was affordable to the masses. The '03/'04 Cobra was MSRP of $35k - a very good deal given the performance capability/ease of making massive horsepower. The price of the GT500 is outrageous. I've been talking about the '03 Cobra though.
35k is redicioulous for a mustang. and is not affordable for the masses. 20-25k would be more in line.
and don't forget..this is comming from a mustang lover dude.........
i make a decent living, and can't pay 35k for one. actually, if i could, i wouldn't. that's territory for a LSC type of car there.
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OK, no chrome bumpers but this one is way cooler than the one they built-
(http://www.autoblog.nl/images/chevrolet_camaro_concept.jpg)
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3146/2954199315_c627971f7b_b.jpg) (http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3146/2954199315_7ea353392c_o.jpg)
by Giugiaro
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Go to your local Chevy dealer and buy or order a Colbalt SS.
In this month's issue, Car and Driver tested one of these little monsters on a road racing circuit against many of the fastest cars available in the USA at any price.
It beat the WRX Sti. It beat the Mitsu EVO. It demolished the Challenger SRT-8.
It will eat a V-6 Camaro in one swallow, with a Mustang GT for dessert.
It holds the absolute lap record at Nurburgring for its class, 27 seconds faster than the VW R32. It was quicker than the Porsche Boxster S.
Under $23,000, about $24k with some options.
The Colbalt SS isn't a car for profiling down the avenue. Its driver will only be showing off its tail lights.
My regards,
Widewing
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I dislike Ford's for several reasons and I will never own another one...
'55 Chebby 2-door post (cost me $25, in 1965, freshman high school year)
'59 Chebby Biscayne 4-door (party car..carry a case of beer in the trunk easy :)
'60 Chebby 2-door Impala (my first cam change, a 327 car with 4:11's)
'60 VW Bug convertible. (last year of high school)
'67 Hemi GTX 4-gear car (first car I ever bought that cost over 200 dollars, HS grad present to me by me)
'63 Ford Galaxie 500 convertible, 390 motor (traded in GTX for it, I was young and stupid)
'67 289 Mustang (my last Ford ..ever)
'69 383 Road Runner, 4-gear (9 years we owned it ..a nice running car..ended with 426 wedge in it)
'64 SS Malibu, L-88 427, tunnel-rammed crazy fast car, my first 'project' car
'62 Nova wagon (cost me $100, just a cheap run around car :)
'68 Dodge Coronet R/T 440 powered .. cost me $250, the guy just wanted to get rid of it..ran fine.
'71 Duster 440 six-pac, then tunnel rammed ..my 2nd project car, too much fun, never broke.
'70 Dart Swinger 340 Scat Pac ..fun little 13 second 'family car'
'69 Chebby half ton pickup (ever cam/carb up a 250 six banger? ..they run 'well' :)
'75 Chebby half ton surfer van, flares, custom paint, shag carpet, killer stereo, excellent tow vehicle.
'67 GTX 'project car' ..never finished it, tube framed it, motor setback 13", dana set forward 5"
'87 CRX Honda, first car I ever bought right off the show room floor. A go-cart :)
'75 3/4 ton van, ex-ambulance ..dana rear, a tank ..would tow anything.
'88 Civic hatchback, life test unit ..put 187k miles on it, it broke a rod (!!) ..mechanical defect Honda said.
Suzuki Swift ..I dont remember the year, paid 200 for it.. just transportation, itty bitty car.
'90 Grand Am, lil overhead cam 4-banger hi revvin motor
'88 Bonneville, nice for a V-6 cruiser
'96 Z-28 ..second car I had ever bought right off showroom, beautiful, fast. Sucked in the snow.
'98 Durango RED ..first autotrader purchase, brand new, 20k less than local dealer wanted!!
'00 360 Durango, 3.91 gears, 4wd, alla bells an whistles. first 4wd vehicle. 4wd Lo gear meant really..really low.
'98 Vette Z-51 coupe. Top of the line for '98, the C5 Z06 didn't come out till couple years later.
-Frank aka GE
nice list of cars there, to bad you dont have that 67 hemi GTX,
i am definitely a Mopar guy,
73 Dodge Challenger,72 340, slap stick shifter, rally sport package.
i owned this car for 6 and a half years, took it cross contry twice, went from Derry NH, to Darren(? think that was the town), Gorgia, in 17 hrs,(it should take 23 hrs), this car never let me down, topped it out at 140 plus, i say plus because i stopped paying att. to speedo at 140,i made a 1 hr drive from Casa Grande AZ to Tuscan AZ in 19 minutes.
i have broke too many chevys to remember, left them on highways, shattered the crank shaft in a 350.
none of the fords ive owned where any good, allthough never had any ford Muscle.
this pic was taken in the mountains of NH, check out my own personal race track in the back ground :D
MOPAR OR NOCAR
(http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w246/fieldsofink/3girlsonzona.jpg)
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35k is redicioulous for a mustang. and is not affordable for the masses. 20-25k would be more in line.
and don't forget..this is comming from a mustang lover dude.........
i make a decent living, and can't pay 35k for one. actually, if i could, i wouldn't. that's territory for a LSC type of car there.
Well the Cobra wasn't targeted toward the "masses" - that's the job of the V6 Mustang and GT. $35k is a very good price for the performance potential.
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the new Cobalt SS is track attack monster. 260hp, 260 ft lbs available at only 2000 rpm. only downside is the interior quality
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And it's front wheel drive.
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...and it's a Cobalt. But, hey, if that's your thing, go for it.
I just am not happy without a V8 out under the hood. For a long time I fooled myself with a V6 but there's just no comparison.
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And it's front wheel drive.
That's a deal breaker right there.
I hate driving FWD cars.
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I wonder if we'll ever have a market that mfg's see as profitable enough for simple, lightweight front engined, rear wheel drive sports cars under 30-25k$.
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They've invested a lot of money and energy convincing us that fwd is better.
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In an economical mass production idiot-driver proof way, it is better. But such an FR sports car would probably be at least as popular as the current fwd cars, in the 20-30k segment. Even below that.. 16-25k or so. No fat, no frills. I doubt it would be very hard to make it a lot faster than the bloated fwd machines we get now.
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I wonder if we'll ever have a market that mfg's see as profitable enough for simple, lightweight front engined, rear wheel drive sports cars under 30-25k$.
Miata, RX7, Solstice, Sky
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FWD cars with bigassed spoilers on the back is teh hawt!
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One word...
Quattro!
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Miata's too small and anemic, rx7 is gone and rx8 I guess sort of qualifies.. Solstice I've heard too little good comments for, and I've never heard of the Sky.. The RX7 was exactly what I'm talking about, though. The RX8 is too loaded with unnecessary stuff.
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And it's front wheel drive.
Amen. Deal breaker for me.
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In an economical mass production idiot-driver proof way, it is better. But such an FR sports car would probably be at least as popular as the current fwd cars, in the 20-30k segment. Even below that.. 16-25k or so. No fat, no frills. I doubt it would be very hard to make it a lot faster than the bloated fwd machines we get now.
See my post about the LX mustangs of the mid to late 90s. You could get one with no power options no air no nothing. I'm talking stripped with your choice of gearing for under 10k. That IMHO was the last gasp of the affordable street fighter. Every new pseudo muscle car now is just too heavy, over optioned and over priced.
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See my post about the LX mustangs of the mid to late 90s. You could get one with no power options no air no nothing. I'm talking stripped with your choice of gearing for under 10k. That IMHO was the last gasp of the affordable street fighter. Every new pseudo muscle car now is just too heavy, over optioned and over priced.
Just like the 1LE Camaros & Firebirds.
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Just like the 1LE Camaros.
http://www.1le.net/
SWEET now that's how a car should be offered.
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Just like the 1LE Camaros & Firebirds.
Sadly, when I got my firebird Pontiac no longer offered 1LE as a stand-alone option. It was WS-6 or nothing. Lots of firebird owners bought cheap take-off 1LE swaybars from camaro owners who were doing suspension upgrades, and it really reduces front end bounce in rapid turn transitions. But you couldn't get that damn swaybar installed from the factory for some stupid reason, and the WS-6 package was $4500 for an additional 15ish hp, 17" wheels, the bigger swaybar, and some bling. A garage mechanic could beat that for under $1000 in one weekend of bolt-ons, minus the wheels, but then most guys would just put takeoff vette wheels on anyhow because they were wider and weighed less than any of the pontiac options, and some of the vette wheels had the right bolt pattern and a perfect offset to avoid rubbing the fenders so they were a direct bolt-on upgrade with no fiddling required.
But pontiac screwed the pooch by not offering the 1LE package on all V8 firebirds... I'd have gotten it if they did, an easy extra $100 in GM's pocket.
Interesting on that 1LE.net page, they have some WS-6 firebirds labeled as 1LE... That seems odd. The ram-air package came with WS-6 and was a complete waste of money unless you were buying it as a collector car. What's worse, the WS-6 package bumped the f-body to super stock in SCCA Solo2 even though it was only a slight performance increase for a ton of money.
Maybe they offered 1LE by itself sometime after 1998, but you couldn't get a 1998 firebird with just 1LE, at least not when I bought mine.
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Eagl, it looks like they took the "1LE" suspension option from SLP. Not a true 1LE in my opinion, escpecially if they still have the AC, power windows and locks, etc...
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agreed it should be a stripped down car with manual windows and locks,no a/c, and should come only in stick.
kinda like the old copo cars, base model on the outside, stripped interior on the inside, and a whole heapin of horsepower under the hood
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NOW i understand what bugs me about the new camAro. Looks like GM's designers have been watching some old Disney Sci-Fi. :D
(http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z39/clerick44/ahha.jpg)
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NOW i understand what bugs me about the new camAro. Looks like GM's designers have been watching some old Disney Sci-Fi. :D
(http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z39/clerick44/ahha.jpg)
Old is in black and white not late 1980's color.
I love the body style cause I'm old...er
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LS7 concept
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3013/3002569108_e4485b85f7_o.jpg)
DEJ concept
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3160/3002568996_ca748eff9a_o.jpg)
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3021/3002568904_df4527c44f_o.jpg)
GS Racecar concept
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3041/3001733535_083fa1e42c_o.jpg)
Special ed. Diablo monday morning eyes concept
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3226/3001733429_5c499b7cbe_o.jpg)
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LS7 = Z28, I'm betting. That would be awesome. 505hp without a blower like Ford needs.
As for the Diablo special... :devil
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LS7 = Z28, I'm betting. That would be awesome. 505hp without a blower like Ford needs.
As for the Diablo special... :devil
what engine they using again?
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Wow.... Although I love Chevy's my dream muscle car has always been a 69 Chevelle SS 396, but this car looks awesome.
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what engine they using again?
my guess would be the LS7, thats the 427 in the C6 ZO6.
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my guess would be the LS7, thats the 427 in the C6 ZO6.
aahh.....soooo.......505hp from a 427= 1.18 hp/ci.
500hp from a 330= 1.51 hp/ci
supercharged or not, it's producing more efficiently. :D
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More from SEMA.
http://www.autoblog.com/photos/sema-2008-chevy-camaro-concepts-and-accessories/
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Oh man I love the black with red Halo lights. And ls7 variant would be awesome. 505 hp and still itd get 20 mpg
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If the Z/28 comes out and has an LS7 i might have to think about trading mine in.
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aahh.....soooo.......505hp from a 427= 1.18 hp/ci.
500hp from a 330= 1.51 hp/ci
supercharged or not, it's producing more efficiently. :D
Imagine the jump you get when you add a turbo to the LS7, 550 to how ever much you want.
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Imagine the jump when you add 100 cubic inches to the 330!
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aahh.....soooo.......505hp from a 427= 1.18 hp/ci.
500hp from a 330= 1.51 hp/ci
supercharged or not, it's producing more efficiently. :D
I SHOULD'VE ADDED......
it is a beautiful car, although i'd still buy a stang first. :D :aok
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Imagine the jump when you add 100 cubic inches to the 330!
:aok exactly. and then top it off with either a turbo or a supercharger :D
camaros that beat mustangs almost always had bigger engines.
i think
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Hmmm my neighbors car.
(http://www.moddedmustangs.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/05/2007-ford-saleen-mustang-parnelli-jones-front-driver-side.jpg)
Not his but one just like it.
425 hp no forced induction.
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Hmmm my neighbors car.
(http://www.moddedmustangs.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/05/2007-ford-saleen-mustang-parnelli-jones-front-driver-side.jpg)
Not his but one just like it.
425 hp no forced induction.
he really has a boss 302?
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he really has a boss 302?
Yes he does Parnelli Jones edition. I can post crappy phone pic if you like. I love when he starts that thing up on a Sunday morning. It just sounds soooo nice.
Edit: insert crappy cell phone pic.
(http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n277/1bronk1/saleen.jpg)
(http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n277/1bronk1/0915081727.jpg)
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Its better than my camera.
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Yes he does Parnelli Jones edition. I can post crappy phone pic if you like. I love when he starts that thing up on a Sunday morning. It just sounds soooo nice.
Edit: insert crappy cell phone pic.
(http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n277/1bronk1/saleen.jpg)
(http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n277/1bronk1/0915081727.jpg)
i'm jealous.
dammit...
now i'm gonna hafta hit my ford dealer....i think winner ford has a roush mustng on their lot......... :rofl
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i'm jealous.
dammit...
now i'm gonna hafta hit my ford dealer....i think winner ford has a roush mustng on their lot......... :rofl
Tasca Ford is but 15 min away from me. You should see some of their tricked out mustangs. :D
You have heard of Tasca haven't you? :noid
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Ford: Last Trade: $2.60
GM: Last Trade: $5.72
Looks like Ford's going to need an even bigger supercharger.
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aahh.....soooo.......505hp from a 427= 1.18 hp/ci.
500hp from a 330= 1.51 hp/ci
supercharged or not, it's producing more efficiently. :D
Never thought I'd live to see the day a Ford guy use a Ricer's argument...nice.
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You tried to compare a small block Ford to a big block Chevy. Where else did you expect it to end up?
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Anywhere but there. A Ford guy should know better.
Also, technically, the LS7 is a small block, not a big block.
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Hmmm my neighbors car.
(http://www.moddedmustangs.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/05/2007-ford-saleen-mustang-parnelli-jones-front-driver-side.jpg)
Not his but one just like it.
425 hp no forced induction.
1.28 hp/cubic inch. still more efficient. :aok :D
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Tasca Ford is but 15 min away from me. You should see some of their tricked out mustangs. :D
You have heard of Tasca haven't you? :noid
oooooo yes........
they were supert heavy into the drags, if i remember?
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Ford: Last Trade: $2.60
GM: Last Trade: $5.72
Looks like Ford's going to need an even bigger supercharger.
nope.....they're gonna get a bail out from uncle....uumm....whoever wins tonight. :rofl :rofl
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Never thought I'd live to see the day a Ford guy use a Ricer's argument...nice.
well, the rice burners are simply imitating us.
i think arguments like this have been going on between ford, chevy, pontiac, buick, etc for a looooong time.
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Anywhere but there. A Ford guy should know better.
Also, technically, the LS7 is a small block, not a big block.
technically, yes......but it still displaces more than the ford. at least drop down to a 5.7L, then compare.
i haven't looked into the 5.4's to see how they're put together, but the old 4.6L(that ford effed up on by not building to its potential) was pretty much a SOHC 427 shrunken down and fuel injected. it was a "Y" block, not a "V", and thus was MUCH stronger. it had crossbolted mains, and could easily be built to produce upwards of 700hp. all from 267(i think) cubic inches, no power adders.
that's one of the things that really pisses me off that ford did. i also STILL think the fast mustangs re overpriced, but then so will be the camaros i think.
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Anywhere but there. A Ford guy should know better.
Also, technically, the LS7 is a small block, not a big block.
wait??
a ford guy should know better than what? to question chevy's power? to question the fact that they need to use a larger engine to make their car beat the ford they copied from? that they copied from ford to begin with? :rofl :D
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CAP, there's no need for a retort from me. Your incredibly complex and illuminating replies tell all who need to know the Ford position from a Ford "phan".
:D :lol :rofl
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oooooo yes........
they were supert heavy into the drags, if i remember?
Tasca more or less set up the Tbolts soo....yea a little into the drags. ;)
http://www.angelfire.com/hi/427fairlane/history.html
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Is the geezer in the background the guy that owns the stang? If so, it figures.
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CAP, there's no need for a retort from me. Your incredibly complex and illuminating replies tell all who need to know the Ford position from a Ford "phan".
:D :lol :rofl
WELL, My preference is fords. as i've already stated in this thread(i think) and one similar on the other board, i like anything that looks good, has a nice V8 rumble, and goes fast.
but then there's no need for me to show too much more how ford power is better.
just remember, 5.0L powered mustang vs 5.0Lpowered camaros, the stangs came out on top. chevy needed to go to a 5.7L to take on the mustang.
same was true in the 60's. the 283 powered camaros couldn;t touch the 289 powered mustangs, thus, they went to 327's then 350's, 396's(i think) and eventually 427's. meanwhile ford answered with the 351W, then the 351C, 390, 427, 428, and then a 429(which was really quite a pig on the street).
now, i have driven a 69 camaro with a 302, muncie 4 speed, 3.73(i think) rearm 4 wheel disc brakes, and was SERIOUSLY impressed with this car. completley stock, and she was still pulling at 7500rpm in 3rd gear. power shifting was smooooth and easy....much easier than the T-5's i'm used to.
i had a 73 plymouth roadrunner.....way oversized, but pretty cool. had a 73 plymouth scamp(same as a dart) with a 318 automatic.
had a 70 chevy 4x4 pickup with a smallblock 400, and a 4 speed. she'd pull away from pretty much anything on the street till about 80 or so....that's when she started shaking bad enough to scare me.
i've had many different vehicles, but just seem to prefer the fords.
as for repairing them, the FI fords, are actually much easier than the gm's to work on. most techs don;t like the fords due to lack of datastream. they forget that the ford computers worked much quicker than the gm's, and had the ability to "learn" long before gm computers did.
however.....it IS fun argueing about these things. you'll never win, i'll never win, it'll just keep on keepin on
:aok
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Is the geezer in the background the guy that owns the stang? If so, it figures.
i kinda think the new stangs, challengers, and camaros are aimed at us "geezers".
if they were aimed at kids, they'd have made some new groovy cool style, with no performance whatsoever.
:rofl
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however.....it IS fun argueing about these things. you'll never win, i'll never win, it'll just keep on keepin on
Of course you'll never win. Everybody knows mopars are the best. :)
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i kinda think the new stangs, challengers, and camaros are aimed at us "geezers".
if they were aimed at kids, they'd have made some new groovy cool style, with no performance whatsoever.
:rofl
Nope. Just that by the time you've put away enough to afford one....
What's the deal with all the old, fat, bald dudes driving around in Vettes?
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Of course you'll never win. Everybody knows mopars are the best. :)
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<has a 97 dodge dakota 5.2L 5 speed, 3.73 posi rear. all stock so far.......i'll probably cam it, and do the rest of the usual bolt ons soon.....injectors, intake, headers, etc......i just don't think it;ll do as well as the same things did on my mustang.
i beat all of my cars equally. :rofl
almost done the interior on the airmont from hell.....i need to make a new dash this winter, then she should be ready for the street in the spring. can't wait to hammer some rice burners, and camaros with that big ugly beast.....some mopars too..... :rofl :aok
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Nope. Just that by the time you've put away enough to afford one....
What's the deal with all the old, fat, bald dudes driving around in Vettes?
they're compensating.
:rofl :rofl :rofl
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At 41 I hardly call myself a "geezer". But then again I've been a die-hard, and I do mean die-hard fan of the f-body since I was 10. I like Corvettes, and will get one one day, but they seem more like race cars for the street to me whereas the F-bodys, Mustangs, Challengers, Barracudas, and Cougars were more like really cool cars.
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<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<has a 97 dodge dakota 5.2L 5 speed, 3.73 posi rear. all stock so far.......i'll probably cam it, and do the rest of the usual bolt ons soon.....injectors, intake, headers, etc......i just don't think it;ll do as well as the same things did on my mustang.
pffft
00 R/T :D
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Why does this post look so familiar? Replace ford here with Supra and we have the Ls1tech.com Texas section.
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Why does this post look so familiar? Replace ford here with Supra and we have the Ls1tech.com Texas section.
REALLY?
the chevy guys pick on them too?
seems they all like to run bigger engines, then pick on the ones that run smaller engines, and brag about how great they are. :noid :rofl :noid
BTW, i've seen 7 second supras, although given the choice of a chevy over a supra, i'd buy the chevy....to hold me over till i got a ford..... :aok
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No, the Supra guys come bashing every LS F-body and Vette then get their tulips handed to them when it makes it to the track. Then when the video makes it back to the site the excuses start flying. I know a few guys with single digit Supras, problem is they don't know when to shut up.
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LOL, yeah, because Ford fans can only drop forced induction into their 4.6 and 5.2 to make any kind of respectable horsepower and even then they brag about it. So CAP I guess you hate Cobra-Jet 427's too, eh?
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BUT IT'S STOCK MAN!!!!111!111!!11!!!!!!!11!1
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He still thinks the LS7 is a "big block".
:rolleyes:
:rofl :rofl :rofl :aok :rofl :rofl :rofl
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No, the Supra guys come bashing every LS F-body and Vette then get their tulips handed to them when it makes it to the track. Then when the video makes it back to the site the excuses start flying. I know a few guys with single digit Supras, problem is they don't know when to shut up.
aahh.....then the supra and other rice burner guys deserve the bs.......
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LOL, yeah, because Ford fans can only drop forced induction into their 4.6 and 5.2 to make any kind of respectable horsepower and even then they brag about it. So CAP I guess you hate Cobra-Jet 427's too, eh?
nope....i don't actually. in fact the car i'll own someday(albiet a replica) will be a cobra 427SC.
i have nothing against big blocks. once in a great while, i miss the feel of them. i used to drive my buddys 58 fairlane all the time. 390 3x 2bbls, 11.2's on street tires and pump gas. problem was it sucked gas something fierce. my 85 E-350 gets better milege than that did, although not as much fun. :rofl
what i'm saying is compare apples to apples. if you want to compare a 427 vette, or camaro to a mustang, then find a 400+ ci mustang to use. THEN not only will it be a valid test, but ya might find the chevy lagging a bit. :D
and considering you posted a vid in the other board using a forced induction big block powered corvette to beat a 6 cylinder nissan, i wouldn't be crying about forced induction. :D
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He still thinks the LS7 is a "big block".
:rolleyes:
:rofl :rofl :rofl :aok :rofl :rofl :rofl
well, actually, i know it's not......but i see 427 ci displacement, and the old 427's pop into my head.
same difference. bring out a 350 powered camaro to compare to the 330 powered mustangs. but thenm you'd not get the faster car then. :D
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nope....i don't actually. in fact the car i'll own someday(albiet a replica) will be a cobra 427SC.
i have nothing against big blocks. once in a great while, i miss the feel of them. i used to drive my buddys 58 fairlane all the time. 390 3x 2bbls, 11.2's on street tires and pump gas. problem was it sucked gas something fierce. my 85 E-350 gets better milege than that did, although not as much fun. :rofl
what i'm saying is compare apples to apples. if you want to compare a 427 vette, or camaro to a mustang, then find a 400+ ci mustang to use. THEN not only will it be a valid test, but ya might find the chevy lagging a bit. :D
and considering you posted a vid in the other board using a forced induction big block powered corvette to beat a 6 cylinder nissan, i wouldn't be crying about forced induction. :D
Well, when Ford gets the balls to produce something bigger it will be compared. Until then keep crying!
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Well, when Ford gets the balls to produce something bigger it will be compared. Until then keep crying!
I DON'T hafta cry.
i live fine in the knowledge that i don't see chevy taillights. at least not pulling away from me. i might notice em as i'm approaching though.
seriously, i just have fun arguing(discussing) about this.....and i hope you, and everyone else understands that.......
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Oh yeah, and CAP, you want to keep bringing up how much the F-body is a rip off of the Mustang? That's ok, I won't bring up the complete failure Ford introduced to compete with the Corvette! **cough, cough, THUNDERBIRD, cough, cough**
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2006's Shelby GT-H and later Shelby GT, based on the standard GT model, is modified by Carroll Shelby International to produce 319 hp (238 kW) by means of a Ford Racing air intake, performance tune, and upgraded exhaust system.
Hmmm...all of that extra stuff, and a steep price tag...and it only generates 9 more stock horsepower than my old 2002 pushrod completely stock LS1. Yeah, that's some balls for ya.
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Oh yeah, and CAP, you want to keep bringing up how much the F-body is a rip off of the Mustang? That's ok, I won't bring up the complete failure Ford introduced to compete with the Corvette! **cough, cough, THUNDERBIRD, cough, cough**
:rofl
yea......you nailed that one......the tbirds were ugly, and slow........then they got big and fat.....still slow.
:rofl
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The fact that their answer for Naturally Aspirated LS cars is a car with a supercharger is funny.
Like i said if the Z/28 comes out and has an LS7 I'll be on top of that quick.
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The fact that their answer for Naturally Aspirated LS cars is a car with a supercharger is funny.
Like i said if the Z/28 comes out and has an LS7 I'll be on top of that quick.
well, again, it's 330 ci vs 427 ci. the supercharger is an equalizer.
if i was more of a cheavy nut, i'd go for a camaro too, as it IS a beautiful car. i really think it's the first good looking camaro they've made since about 1970.
although i had an 89 mustang, i feel the same about them......the current bodystyle mustang is the first really good looking one produced since 73 or so..........
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LS7 as of now is only in the very limited C6 ZO6. The rest of the LS cars run the Naturally Aspirated 345.7 LS1(Camaro & Firebird), 364.1 LS2(Vette & GTO) or 376 LS3(Vette & 2010 Camaro). C5 ZO6 has the LS6 which isn't much different from the LS1 and infact a small number of F-bodies actually got the LS6 block.
LS7 came out after the blown Cobras and now you have the LS9 which is in the new ZR1. 376 cubic inch supercharged LS9 V-8 makes 638 hp and 604 lb-ft of torque. 103 hp per liter, has 6.2.
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I honestly think that instead of just throwing more power at the thing GM should work on making a lighter version...
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Safety standards are turning these things into pigs, It's not because GM wants to build dump trucks.
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Safety standards are turning these things into pigs, It's not because GM wants to build dump trucks.
agreed./.......i think the mustang weighs almost 4,000 pounds now.....dunno how heavy the camaro is......
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will be 3900 for a 6 speed and the autos will be over 4000 i think, Verts are going to be really heavy.
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will be 3900 for a 6 speed and the autos will be over 4000 i think, Verts are going to be really heavy.
uumm...yea......that's WAAAYYY to heavy. hell, i think the zekes only weighed 4 or 5,000 empty....and around 8,000 in combat load.
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if GM had the balls to do it ..
I'd like to see a no frills Vette and Camaro .. base model ..no lectric windows, no lectric seats, floor carpet you can see thru (or mebbe painted on non-skid) ..radio delete, bare bones, big tires, big motor, loud, and the option list just offers toys to go/stop/corner faster.
Period.
You want a 'cruiser' .. get an Impala.
That's just me tho.
-GE aka Frank
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:rock :rock :rock :rock :rock
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if GM had the balls to do it ..
I'd like to see a no frills Vette and Camaro .. base model ..no lectric windows, no lectric seats, floor carpet you can see thru (or mebbe painted on non-skid) ..radio delete, bare bones, big tires, big motor, loud, and the option list just offers toys to go/stop/corner faster.
Period.
You want a 'cruiser' .. get an Impala.
That's just me tho.
-GE aka Frank
They used to do it. They can do it again. Call it the L88...
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if GM had the balls to do it ..
I'd like to see a no frills Vette and Camaro .. base model ..no lectric windows, no lectric seats, floor carpet you can see thru (or mebbe painted on non-skid) ..radio delete, bare bones, big tires, big motor, loud, and the option list just offers toys to go/stop/corner faster.
Period.
You want a 'cruiser' .. get an Impala.
That's just me tho.
-GE aka Frank
KIND Of like the old thunderbolt fairlanes?
that actually is a good idea, and all of the big three should consider something like that. i wouldn't lower the vette like that though.....offering the camaro like thaty would be sufficient i think.
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Aye Cap .. would be fun for the people that buy them for fun.
Ford could do the Mustang and .. er .. some 2 door bidness coupe ..if they even have one anymore?
And Dodge perhaps could bring out the 'Cuda in that trim since Plymouth is dead.
Speakin of Dodge an Plymouth, it's interesting to note that the 'Cuda had a shorter wheelbase than the Challenger, that's why it always did better at the drags in every class than a Challenger would. Shorter wheelbase = quicker weight txfer = faster off the line.
-GE
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They used to do it. They can do it again. Call it the L88...
4th Gen F_body strippers have the 1LE Code, sure they will do it for the 5th gen
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Aye Cap .. would be fun for the people that buy them for fun.
Ford could do the Mustang and .. er .. some 2 door bidness coupe ..if they even have one anymore?
And Dodge perhaps could bring out the 'Cuda in that trim since Plymouth is dead.
Speakin of Dodge an Plymouth, it's interesting to note that the 'Cuda had a shorter wheelbase than the Challenger, that's why it always did better at the drags in every class than a Challenger would. Shorter wheelbase = quicker weight txfer = faster off the line.
-GE
i think ford doesn't have any busness type coupes anymore........not sure if they still build the crown vic......but THAT would be a cool fun sleeper in this kinda trim though.......
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Here's thing on the comparison with 4.2's and LSX's. I have to deal with Mustang owners on a weekly basis at our local car meets. They say the same exact thing you say, CAP. "You can't compare engines, man. 4.2 vs. 5.7? Come on!" Well, how can you NOT compare a Z28 with a Mustang GT? That's the way it's been for decades! Like I said it's what Ford puts in them and there's just no way around that until Ford decides something different. A friend of mine drives a new Mustang Shelby. When he can he parks next to my Z. The first time he did that the Mustang owners took note. One guy even came over and said, "Why is that Mustang parked next to a Camaro?" To which I replied, "Because he can and he wanted to. And for the record, the Camaro got there first, as usual."
To paraphrase what LBJ said in The Right Stuff, "Mustang owners! Is there anybody that can deal with a Mustang owner?!?"
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LOL, yeah, because Ford fans can only drop forced induction into their 4.6 and 5.2 to make any kind of respectable horsepower and even then they brag about it. So CAP I guess you hate Cobra-Jet 427's too, eh?
Erm see my neighbors car. 425 hp no forced induction is not respectable? What is you definition of respectable hp?
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Diablo, you were wanting Ford people to be in awe of the power output of 5.7 in comparison to 4.2. You weren't just talking Mustang vs. Camaro. I don't think anybody is saying that Mustangs and Camaro's as a whole shouldn't be compared on a level field. But when you're talking engines alone, 4.2 to 5.7 isn't a direct comparison.
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Diablo, you were wanting Ford people to be in awe of the power output of 5.7 in comparison to 4.2. You weren't just talking Mustang vs. Camaro. I don't think anybody is saying that Mustangs and Camaro's as a whole shouldn't be compared on a level field. But when you're talking engines alone, 4.2 to 5.7 isn't a direct comparison.
Well you can't compare 5.0 stangs vs say.... 5.0 camaros....... That just wouldn't be fair. :noid
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Diablo, you were wanting Ford people to be in awe of the power output of 5.7 in comparison to 4.2. You weren't just talking Mustang vs. Camaro. I don't think anybody is saying that Mustangs and Camaro's as a whole shouldn't be compared on a level field. But when you're talking engines alone, 4.2 to 5.7 isn't a direct comparison.
Ok, let me make this clear, and I said 4.6, not 4.2. Mustang GT vs. Z28. How much more clearer can I be?
Base Mustang vs Base Camaro
Mustang GT vs Camaro Z28
Is that so hard?
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Today's Saleen / Parnelli Jones Limited Edition Mustang reflects the same authentic vintage attitude but comes complete with a new Saleen 302 cid V-8, 3-valve engine. This engine produces a whopping 370 SAE hp at 6000 RPM, and with 370 ft-lb of torque at 4000 RPM. The high compression engine transforms a normal drive into an exciting thrill ride. Awakening the senses, the new Saleen engine is equipped with a high compression, high revving valve train, utilizing forged pistons, rods, and crankshaft and a lightweight, aluminum flywheel. Top-performance calibrations are thanks to Saleen's PowerFlash(TM) technology.
Seems someone disagrees about the hp rating there, Bronk. Even then 370hp is good naturally aspirated. I have zero complaints about that, especially coming from a 302!
http://www.mustangheaven.com/stangspecs/2007/07saleenparnellijones.htm
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Seems someone disagrees about the hp rating there, Bronk. Even then 370hp is good naturally aspirated. I have zero complaints about that, especially coming from a 302!
http://www.mustangheaven.com/stangspecs/2007/07saleenparnellijones.htm
The Saleen/Parnelli Jones Limited Edition Mustang celebrates that attitude and capability with its Saleen MOD 302 V8 3-valve engine, producing 400 HP at 6000 RPM and 390 ft-lb of torque at 4000 RPM. The high rev, high compression engine utilizes forged pistons, rods, crankshaft, a lightweight aluminum flywheel and Saleen’s PowerFlashTM technology. “From the Saleen MOD 302 to the high performance exhaust, we’ve delivered a truly authentic experience,” notes Saleen.
http://www.saleen.com/saleen-parnellijones.htm
And he has told me he has had some other work done to it. He is a car nut so I take him at his word.
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2007 SALEEN / PARNELLI JONES LIMITED EDITION PRICE:
$
59,015.00
Federal Gas Guzzler Tax $ 1,300.00
Enclosed Freight to Dealer
$
1,550.00
TOTAL SALEEN MSRP: $
61,865.00
Holy crap! No thanks!
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As i have said before I am a car guy 1st. So this what's better" is just so much tire smoke.
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Ohhh .. I don't know ..
..comparing 5.0 Ford to 5.0 Chebby .. lessee ..
Boss 302 to Z28 302?
-evil grin-
Ok the Boss 302 was rare .. guess we could match rarity with the 425 horse cross ram 302 from Chebby?
-very evil grin-
It was a fact that if you bolted decent headers to either engine, they gained huge up to 7k+ rpm :)
They weren't for the 'lectric window crowd for sure :)
-GE
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Ohhh .. I don't know ..
..comparing 5.0 Ford to 5.0 Chebby .. lessee ..
Boss 302 to Z28 302?
-evil grin-
Ok the Boss 302 was rare .. guess we could match rarity with the 425 horse cross ram 302 from Chebby?
-very evil grin-
It was a fact that if you bolted decent headers to either engine, they gained huge up to 7k+ rpm :)
They weren't for the 'lectric window crowd for sure :)
-GE
lol Brand C 302 was rarer than 3 gun La7s. :noid
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2007 SALEEN / PARNELLI JONES LIMITED EDITION PRICE:
$
59,015.00
Federal Gas Guzzler Tax $ 1,300.00
Enclosed Freight to Dealer
$
1,550.00
TOTAL SALEEN MSRP: $
61,865.00
Holy crap! No thanks!
Hey it's his loot so who am i to judge. He also has 2 of those weird Tbirds.
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Diablo if $ were no object I'd restore one of these.
http://parkermediaproductions.com/moparsbymosher/projects/frinks64/frinks64.htm
Tis a sic ride.
(http://parkermediaproductions.com/moparsbymosher/projects/frinks64/patrickfrinks64-14.JPG)
Edit: Was a dealer option for the 426 race engine. 10 sec 1/4 mile goodness.
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If money were no object, my pick:
1st pick:
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g308/txflood77598/g11friday51.jpg)
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g308/txflood77598/g11friday53.jpg)
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g308/txflood77598/g11friday60.jpg)
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g308/txflood77598/g11friday44.jpg)
Any one of those.
2nd pick:
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g308/txflood77598/P1010067.jpg)
:)
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Ok, let me make this clear, and I said 4.6, not 4.2. Mustang GT vs. Z28. How much more clearer can I be?
Base Mustang vs Base Camaro
Mustang GT vs Camaro Z28
Is that so hard?
I think the GT vs. Z28 comparison is a fair one to make. But 4.6 to 5.7 isn't a level field. You can't poopoo one engine for not making as much power without forced induction when it's giving up 1.1 liters of displacement.
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Here's thing on the comparison with 4.2's and LSX's. I have to deal with Mustang owners on a weekly basis at our local car meets. They say the same exact thing you say, CAP. "You can't compare engines, man. 4.2 vs. 5.7? Come on!" Well, how can you NOT compare a Z28 with a Mustang GT? That's the way it's been for decades! Like I said it's what Ford puts in them and there's just no way around that until Ford decides something different. A friend of mine drives a new Mustang Shelby. When he can he parks next to my Z. The first time he did that the Mustang owners took note. One guy even came over and said, "Why is that Mustang parked next to a Camaro?" To which I replied, "Because he can and he wanted to. And for the record, the Camaro got there first, as usual."
To paraphrase what LBJ said in The Right Stuff, "Mustang owners! Is there anybody that can deal with a Mustang owner?!?"
well, when you put it this way, i can understand why sometimes you sound pissed in your replies.....i'm fairly sure that most of the mustang owners you deal with are kids too.......and probably annoying ones at that. it;s psart of why i chose to put the drivetrain from my wrecked gt into a fairmont, rather than another mustang. they've kinda become magnets for the local PD, as the kids around here lack common sense....in a serious way,,,,, :rofl
which one of the shelbys does your friend have? i was on their website earlier today, and it seems as if shelby's doin a lot for ford. apparently, you can get a GT500KR with over 600HP, and warrantied. they say that they can build it to 700+, but no warranty at that point.
the biggest thing i like about the newer mustangs, like i said before, is that they look soooo much like the old stangs. my first car was a (s)lime green 67 coupe, 289 auto, with a bench seat, black vinyl roof. then had a couple more 67's, a 68 fastback, etc.
IF i had the money, i'd grab a shelby this time round. no questions at all. if i were more of a chevy nut, and had the money, i'd already have been to the dealer to secure myself the baddest camaro i could get my grubby little paws on.
like i said, my preference is fords, as i've owned em since i was 17. i'm 46 now, and have owned a little of everything. while i like my dakota, it doesn't hold a candle to my stang, or to my 70 4x4 chevy.
i like fast. i like the V8 rumble. i LOVE the smell of a good burnout at the strip. i like people that keep the ponycars/muscle cars alive.
most of all...........i effin LOVE arguing about this crap!!!!!!! and i do mean that in a friendly way, just for the record.
:aok
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Ohhh .. I don't know ..
..comparing 5.0 Ford to 5.0 Chebby .. lessee ..
Boss 302 to Z28 302?
-evil grin-
Ok the Boss 302 was rare .. guess we could match rarity with the 425 horse cross ram 302 from Chebby?
-very evil grin-
It was a fact that if you bolted decent headers to either engine, they gained huge up to 7k+ rpm :)
They weren't for the 'lectric window crowd for sure :)
-GE
although i do own a boss302 engine, it is not in a catr right now.....nor is it stock.
i've never had the oppurtunity to drive a boss.
i have however driven a chevy 302 powrered camaro. 69, muncie 4 speed. i forget hte rear ratio.......
but lemme tell ya........took it out for a whoopin, with the owner riding shotgun.
first time out.....easy on it.........brought the engine up to 3500, sidestep ythe clutch. tires cathc traction, engine 'round 5 grand, powershift 2nd. tires catch traction again, 'round 5 or 6 grand, powershift 3rd, then lift, as it's not my car after all. customer calls me a p***y, and tells me to open her up.
second run......6 grand, sidestep the clutch, work the throttle a little, because i'm still afraid of overrevving her. she catches traction up the road a bit, powershift 2nd, tires blown away again. they catch, powershift third, they haze a bit, but grab quicker, and that dam engine is STILL pulling at 8 grand. bone stock. i was running outtta road, and had to get out of it, but it impressed the hell outta me.
both of us were unable to wipe the smiles from our faces when the cherry hill pd followed me into the shop parking lot. thankfully, it was a sergent that i know, so we got off with a warning.
i've read of similar experiences from people that've driven the boss302's, but i don't have a good comparasion.
the biggest problem with the boss302's was in 69, they had 2.25 intake valves.....waaayyy too big. in 70, they fixed that, and used 2.19 intakes. these were much much better for the street.
unfortunatly, i have to agree with diablo about ford not putting bigger engines in the stangs....makes it hard to compare, although the camaro in the 80's was 5.0L equipped...and i think i posted specs a few pages back in this thread showing the 5L stang quicker than the 5L camaro.
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If money were no object, my pick:
1st pick:
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g308/txflood77598/g11friday51.jpg)
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g308/txflood77598/g11friday53.jpg)
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g308/txflood77598/g11friday60.jpg)
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g308/txflood77598/g11friday44.jpg)
Any one of those.
2nd pick:
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g308/txflood77598/P1010067.jpg)
:)
i think you got your picks backwards sir :rofl
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I think the GT vs. Z28 comparison is a fair one to make. But 4.6 to 5.7 isn't a level field. You can't poopoo one engine for not making as much power without forced induction when it's giving up 1.1 liters of displacement.
So you want me to split hairs because Ford doesn't want to drop anything but a 4.6 into the GT. That's Ford's choice. I'm comparing 2 cars that are supposed to be equally matched due to their model's history and yet YOU say it's unfair because Ford's only puts a 4.6 in the GT? What are you, a democrat?
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CAP, I may sound pissed off but trust me, I'm not. I just get really tired of hearing the same old poop from Ford guys. It's like they need to find a handicap as to why Ford only uses the 4.6 on the GT's. As I stated in my earlier posts, how can you NOT compare 2 models of cars that have been in competition for decades and then say it's not fair because of CID? Negro, puh-leeeeze....
Another anecdote, a friend of mine bought a '95 GT, you know the one with a whopping 210 hp? I bought a '96 base Camaro 3.8 that had 200 hp. Guess what? I still beat him in races. He eventually traded in his GT for a Cobra.
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So you want me to split hairs because Ford doesn't want to drop anything but a 4.6 into the GT. That's Ford's choice. I'm comparing 2 cars that are supposed to be equally matched due to their model's history and yet YOU say it's unfair because Ford's only puts a 4.6 in the GT? What are you, a democrat?
Diablo, dude, settle! I'm talking engines, not cars. You said earlier that Ford had to drop forced induction onto the engine to make respectable power in comparison to the Chevy engine. All I'm saying is that when you're giving up 100 cubes that YES, a supercharger helps make up the difference. It's not a design flaw or a bad engine, just a smaller one!
FWIW Ford does put bigger engines in the Mustang. They did a limited run 5.4 DOHC Cobra Jet. You can also pick up the GT-500KR with the blown 5.4 that puts out 540hp. Nice engines
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I understand the point you're making Coug, but I'm not just only focusing on engines. It's the comparable model car, GT vs. Z28. It's been that way for decades but I don't buy the "You can't compare the 2 because of displacement." argument. Bullcrap, the Parnelli Jones Mustang is exactly what I'm talking about. Albeit you have to pay over 60 large for one and it gives you the same hp as a stock LS2.
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I paid 19k for a used bone stock 01 Z/28 w/10k miles that did the 1/4 mile in 12.9 @106. I'll take that over a 60K car that looks good but can't get out of it's own way.
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I'm not saying you shouldn't compare the Mustang and Camaro. They're competitors and should be compared, but by the numbers.
First off, I had a heckuva time finding numbers for the v8 Camaro. What I found for the 422hp 6.2l LS3 with the six speed was 0-60 in 4.9 and 13.4 in the quarter mile. The '09 Mustang with the 4.6 V8 goes 0-60 in 5.1 with the quarter at 13.5. The Ford is naturally aspirated and a base model GT.
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Said before, had a good friend from just outta high school days that had a '69 Boss Mustang.
It didn't really run at all till past 3500rpm.
But ohhh baybee ..did it run *guud* from 3500-8k. I remember the car gettin sideways as it came on the cam
when his foot was in it.. 2nd ..3rd .. 4th gear it wouldnt break loose, just pin you in the seat.
Also ran into a guy when I was in the USAF, had a '67 Chevelle with that cross ram 425 hp 302 in it, he had ordered it that way.
That motor pulled that car around like it was *nuthin* .. I can only imagine what it would have been like in a Camaro.
Also very strong pull to 8k, and impossible to hook off the line with any street tire made back then.
Fast cars all .. but .. when I dropped that L-88 into my '64 Chebelle .. that was a crazy car.
I swear I spent more time actually shifting than it did runnin up thru the gears.
And I shifted litnin fast with that close ratio T-10.
Was a 1k rpm drop between each gear ..would slam 2nd at 6500 or so.. 3rd at 7600, and she'd sing to 7k in 4th in about 2 heartbeats.
People that heard it run swore it was a 327 :)
-very evil grin-
-GE aka Frank (no way did I ever side step the clutch ..it broke enough parts just easin it out quickly at 2500rpm while I fed in throttle, then slammed gears fast and hard as I could.. she was a rocket and far from 'stock' L-88 :)
(http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q260/1grayeagle/old%20days/runnin_the_valves.jpg)
preparin to commence to run the valves :) ..that's my brudda under the hood, I am hangin back to the right in the bloo shirt, sippin a coke or some such :)
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I'm not saying you shouldn't compare the Mustang and Camaro. They're competitors and should be compared, but by the numbers.
First off, I had a heckuva time finding numbers for the v8 Camaro. What I found for the 422hp 6.2l LS3 with the six speed was 0-60 in 4.9 and 13.4 in the quarter mile. The '09 Mustang with the 4.6 V8 goes 0-60 in 5.1 with the quarter at 13.5. The Ford is naturally aspirated and a base model GT.
Yeah, the new Camaro makes good hp but is just so damn heavy now. Good to see the 2 are competitive!
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I paid 19k for a used bone stock 01 Z/28 w/10k miles that did the 1/4 mile in 12.9 @106. I'll take that over a 60K car that looks good but can't get out of it's own way.
although nowhere near stock, i got a fairmont that'll hand yer but back to ya.
not as pretty either, but i wanted "different".
:noid
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mines not stock any more, soon to be far from stock.
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mines not stock any more, soon to be far from stock.
:aok :D
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found em............
stock to strock specs for mustangs and camaros.
1982 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 305 auto 3.23 165@4200 240@2400 9.4 17.13@80.70mph MT 1/82
1982 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 305 auto 3.23 165@4200 240@2400 7.9 16.0@85mph CD 1/82
1982 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 305 auto 3.23 165@4200 240@2400 9.7 17.5@80mph RT 1/82
1982 Ford Mustang GT 302 4 spd 3.08 157@4200 240@2400 8.0 16.3@n/a RT 1/82
1982 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am 305 auto 3.23 165@4200 240@2400 8.8 16.75@80.50mph MT 1/82
1982 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am 305 auto 3.23 165@4200 240@2400 9.2 17.0@80.5mph R&T 9/82
1985 Chevrolet Camaro IROC Z28 305 AOD n/a 215@4400 275@3200 6.8 15.30@89.1mph MT 10/84
1985 Chevrolet Camaro IROC Z28 305 AOD 3.42 215@4400 275@3200 7.0 15.2@91mph C&D 10/84
1985 Chevrolet Camaro IROC Z28 305 AOD 3.27 215@4400 275@3200 6.9 15.30@89.1mph MT 10/84
1985 Chevrolet Camaro IROC Z28 4bbl L69 305 5 spd 3.73 190@4800 240@3200 7.5 15.4@90mph C&D 10/84
1985 Chevrolet Camaro IROC Z28 4bbl L69 305 5 spd 3.73 190@4800 240@3200 6.8 15.32@89.6 mph MT 7/85
1985 Ford Mustang GT 302 5 spd 2.73 210@4600 265@3400 7.1 15.51@89.7mph MT 10/84
1985 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am 305 AOD 3.27 205@4400 270@3200 7.7 16.07@84.5mph MT 10/84
1985 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am 4bbl L69 305 5 spd 3.73 190@4800 240@2400 7.6 15.6@87mph C&D 4/85
1987 Chevrolet Camaro IROC Z28 350 AOD 3.27 230@4000 330@3200 6.6 15.23@91.2mph MT 11/89
1987 Chevrolet Camaro IROC Z28 305 5 spd 3.08 215@4400 295@3200 6.6 14.9@95mph R&T 4/87
1987 Chevrolet Camaro IROC Z28 Conv 305 AOD 3.23 190@4000 285@2800 8.1 16.45@85.1mph MT 11/86
1987 Chevrolet Corvette 350 AOD 3.07 240@4000 345@3200 6.7 15.32@90.8mph MT 11/89
1987 Ford Mustang GT 302 5 spd n/a 225@4200 300@3200 6.5 15.13@94.1mph MT 11/89
1987 Pontiac Firebird Formula 305 5 spd 3.27 205@4400 285@3200 7.7 16.09@87.6mph MT 11/86
1987 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am GTA 350 AOD 3.27 210@4400 320@2800 6.8 15.35@91.6mph MT 6/87
1987 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am GTA 350 AOD 3.27 210@4400 320@2800 6.9 15.36@91.7mph MT 11/89
1987 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am GTA 350 AOD 2.73 210@4000 315@3200 7.1 15.5@89.5mph
1988 Chevrolet Camaro IROC Z28 350 AOD 3.27 235@4200 335@3400 7.2 15.67@91.6mph MT 9/88
1988 Chevrolet Camaro IROC Z28 305 5 spd 3.08 215@4400 295@3200 6.6 14.9@95mph Perf Cars 1988
1988 Chevrolet Camaro, Chevy Raceshop 454 454 AOD 3.27 400@5600 420@3600 5.5 14.0@102mph MT 1/91
1988 Chevrolet Corvette 350 4 spd n/a 245@4300 340@3200 6.5 15.04@93.6MPH MT 9/88
1988 Ford Mustang GT 302 5 spd 3.08 230@4200 310@3300 7.1 15.60@91.5mph MT 9/88
1988 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am GTA 350 AOD 2.73 225@4200 330@3200 7.3 15.88@90mph MT 7/88
1988 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am GTA 350 AOD 3.27 220@4400 330@3000 7.6 16.08@90.2mph MT 9/88
1988 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am GTA 350 AOD n/a 210@4400 315@3200 7.1 15.5@89.5mph
1989 Chevrolet Camaro IROC Z28 350 AOD 3.27 230@4000 330@3200 6.9 15.54@91.7mph MT 1/88
1989 Chevrolet Camaro IROC Z28 Conv 305 AOD 2.73 195@4000 295@2800 7.8 16.28@84.31mph MT 11/89
1989 Chevrolet Camaro, Chevy Raceshop 350 5 spd 3.45 345@5000 380@3600 5.2 13.7@103.3mph MT 1/91
1989 Chevrolet Corvette 350 6 spd 3.42 245@4300 340@3200 6.4 15.02@94.6mph MT 5/89
1989 Chevrolet Corvette 350 6 spd 3.54 240@4000 335@3200 5.6 14.46@95.27mph MT 11/89
1989 Chevrolet Corvette Callaway TT 350 6 spd 3.54 382@4250 562@2500 4.4 12.9@111mph C&D 5/89
1989 Ford Mustang GT 302 5 spd 2.73 225@4000 300@3200 7.2 15.77@92.8 MT 1/88
1989 Ford Mustang LX 302 5 spd 3.08 225@4200 300@3200 6.6 15.38@91.52mph MT 11/89
1989 Ford Mustang Saleen SC 302 5 spd 3.55 292@5200 327@3500 5.9 14.2@98mph C&D 5/89
1989 Pontiac Firebird Formula 305 5 spd 3.08 215@4000 285@3200 7.5 15.95@88.5mph MT 1/88
1989 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am 20th Ann 231 AOD 3.27 250@4300 340@2800 5.4 14.18@95.8mph MT 3/89
1989 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am 20th Ann 231 AOD 3.27 250@4000 340@2800 5.1 14.18@98.86mph MT 11/89
1989 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am GTA 350 AOD 3.27 235@440 325@2400 6.5 15.40@90.28mph
HERE'S THE LINK
http://www.cobranet.com/roadtest.htm
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has everything but the LSX models, thats where your performance starts to jump through the roof. The LT cars are dogs, hope there aren't any LT1 guys snooping in here :noid
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Yeah, the new Camaro makes good hp but is just so damn heavy now. Good to see the 2 are competitive!
The Camaro seems to be about 200lbs heavier than the similar Mustang. Not too bad, but still needs a diet.
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mines not stock any more, soon to be far from stock.
If I could find some 243 heads and an LS6 cam, neither would mine. At this point looks like I'll be doing headers first.
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If I could find some 243 heads and an LS6 cam, neither would mine. At this point looks like I'll be doing headers first.
YOU can't find parts for a chevy?
and that's not intended sarcastic.......
i meant to put these here yesterday.......WAAAYYYYYYY over priced in my opinion, but at least SOMEone is doing something with the fords. :D
http://www.shelbyautos.com/news.asp?id=15
http://www.shelbyautos.com/news.asp?id=12
http://www.shelbyautos.com/cs6.asp from a v6 too. :D
link to the main page http://www.shelbyautos.com/index.asp
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Used ones. Since the LS7 came out the LS6 heads (used) have been hitting the market and getting snatched up just as fast. If you knew anything about the 01-02 LS1 put into f-body's, you'd understand.
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Used ones. Since the LS7 came out the LS6 heads (used) have been hitting the market and getting snatched up just as fast. If you knew anything about the 01-02 LS1 put into f-body's, you'd understand.
i haven't been up on chevys enough to know. that;s why i asked.
try www.car-part.com
it's an internet database of scrap yards. you can select the region you want to look in. i've had VERY good luck finding "hard to find" things through them.
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Car-Part.com could not match your request.
The search continues...
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I'm either gunna have mine ported or get the Dart heads for mine, since it's a garage queen now i might go ahead and get the Dart heads.
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If I have one of those "sneaked in" LS6 blocks I'm going to do a factory style upgrade, as if GM slipped the Corvette LS6 from the factory. If not I'll probably do what you are doing...maybe.
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I need to get off my bellybutton and get a stall, thats whats holding me up. have the exhuast and lid done, cam and the whole valve train just sitting in my garage with my hair dryer. :(
guys at G-force had swapped the LS6 cam and other goodies into Z/28, that car freaking moved.
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The search continues...
well......
i tried..........
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I need to get off my bellybutton and get a stall, thats whats holding me up. have the exhuast and lid done, cam and the whole valve train just sitting in my garage with my hair dryer. :(
guys at G-force had swapped the LS6 cam and other goodies into Z/28, that car freaking moved.
http://www.lsxnation.net/showthread.php?t=2185
:D
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well......
i tried..........
I appreciated it all the same, I got a little excited there for a moment...but the moment passed.
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LS parts also can be found now an then at:
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/zeroforum?id=53
It's the corvette forum C5 parts for sale section .. may want to wander thru it about once a week or so.
Guys in there partin out C5's an restorin back to stock an all kinda weird stuff.
Can also check the C6 parts section for the newer LS motor bits now an then :)
-Frank
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I appreciated it all the same, I got a little excited there for a moment...but the moment passed.
if ya want, post exactly what i'm looking for in here...and i'll pass it on to my chevy nut friends.......
i'm assuming ls6 heads? what else do i need to know? i'm good friends with a local machine shop owner who's been a chevy racer for 30 years.....
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Basically, 2002 - 2004 243 LS6 heads, in usable condition along with a usable (the less miles the better, obviously) LS6 camshaft. I'm not sure, I need to do more research, but I THINK the 01 - 02 LS1's got the LS6 oil pump but I have to double check that.
I'd prefer to buy locally so I can inspect the parts themselves unless you know that the person who's selling the parts is reputible and won't mind a return on the parts if they don't pass mine and my machine shop guy's inspection.
There's a corvette forum on LS1Tech but I rarely, if ever, see the 243 heads up for sale.
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if you can't find it on LS1Tech then your not goning to find it any where, basically where i have gotten everything.
funny thing about that link is thats the guys I'm going to go to and the 3400 Billet converter is the one i want. I'll probably just end up bringing my car to them in a month.
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http://videos.streetfire.net/video/5-Camaro-Concepts-SEMA_196854.htm?Ref=Newsletter
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http://videos.streetfire.net/video/5-Camaro-Concepts-SEMA_196854.htm?Ref=Newsletter
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/SEMA-Girls-Day-2_197265.htm?Ref=Blog :D
GOOD LOOKING camaros........but the taillights look like they were stolen from the vette, and modified slightly...a car like that should have its own lights........
http://www.musclemustangfastfords.com/videos/6203017/ford-mustang-drag-racing-project-stocker-finals-at-atco-raceway/index.html
http://www.dpccars.com/car-videos-08/06-22-08page-Ford-Mustang-GT500-Whipple.htm
this last one is a commercial i think........bt it's funny as hall!
http://www.moddedmustangs.com/mustang/videos
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Eh, I can see what you mean. The early 2nd Gen Camaros had Corvette taillights so it's not like it doesn't have a precedent. I'm still on the fence about the looks though. One moment I'm really digging it and the next I'm reminded of certain slab-sided Japanese cars with it's styling. But then I keep telling myself it has Cadillac genes in it's styling with those sharp angles and lines.
I dunno...
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Eh, I can see what you mean. The early 2nd Gen Camaros had Corvette taillights so it's not like it doesn't have a precedent. I'm still on the fence about the looks though. One moment I'm really digging it and the next I'm reminded of certain slab-sided Japanese cars with it's styling. But then I keep telling myself it has Cadillac genes in it's styling with those sharp angles and lines.
I dunno...
i talked with my friend......he says he knows a customer of his that might have em.......he's supposed to call me back, if the guy's willing to part with them. if he does, i'll pm ya his phone number, and you guys can work something out then.
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I appreciate the effort. I just got off of the phone with a local speed shop who says they have acccess to 243's dirt cheap and can do the upgrade for me as part of a package deal. I think I'm going to go that route. I'll keep you posted on how it goes.
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who might the shop be eh?
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I appreciate the effort. I just got off of the phone with a local speed shop who says they have acccess to 243's dirt cheap and can do the upgrade for me as part of a package deal. I think I'm going to go that route. I'll keep you posted on how it goes.
COOL.......
was tryin to help.....then we can go back to arguing
:rofl :rofl
chevys suck!!!! :noid :rofl
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who might the shop be eh?
G-G-G-G-G-G-G Force!