Still though if you go to the level of pilot vs pilot, plane vs plane there will never be fair play. It's not even possible.
I hate to bring this up again, I feel as though I am wasting my time. You view this game a certain way that is vastly different from my own, but this is how I view the game when looking at a new player.
(I posted this in a different forum)
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1. Guy starts AH, has no clue what to do.
2. He finds the ACM/Dogfighting skill curve too steep, decides to affect the game the only way he can; bombing.
3. He starts off with heavy fighters, most often augering in the process of hitting the target.
4. He moves on to heavy bombers, not always learning how to use the bomb site.
5. He finds a squad of like minded individuals, and with enough of them, they begin to feel as though they are unstoppable. They ridicule everyone they steam roll and avoid those they can't gang easily enough.
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At this point they;
A. Continue to base take with large numbers and futher refine the process with more numbers or specialized missions.
B. Get bored of base taking.
C. Get tired of being smacked around by experienced sticks and approach a friendly one to teach them.
D. Decide to approach the game from a new perspective, often through scenarios or some other event.
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It drives me crazy seeing newer flyers within AH taking the easy way out and staying within the huge horde squads. I wish I could take every new guy within AH and show him the freedom of being able to fight and not have to rely on the mob to protect him.
Aces High is a lot like golf, it is a test of personal ability and watching the ability grow and mature from within. Frankly, I don't care if you are a level bomber, a tanker, a furballer, or a tank plinker; just be good at what you do and realize you don't need 30 others guys around you to affect the game.
That said, there are very few I honor within Aces High and those gents I've known for well over 10 years (people like Corky, Silat, Fencer). I respect many that don't share my view of how Aces High so long as they reciprocate; don't hide in the horde or ruin the few good fights the rest of us can find on the map.
That said, have you spent anytime with someone who can show you some moves in the DA, Bmwgs? The joy of base taking can't even compare to taking on multiple cons by yourself and winning. Until you have tasted that freedom, you haven't really experienced Aces High, imho...
Let me know, I'd be more than happy to teach you the little I know.
As for the DA, Well the couple time I have gone in there I was hoed, picked, ramed, and gang banged. I can get this in the MA.
If I show you anything, it won't be the cesspool of the furball area of the DA, it has been corrupted and is a pick/run fest. We would do 1v1s at a side field or spend time in the TA.
5. He finds a squad of like minded individuals, and with enough of them, they begin to feel as though they are unstoppable. They ridicule everyone they steam roll and avoid those they can't gang easily enough.
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Great post beemer. Hopefully it will stay civil.
I've been playing flight sims for 12 years or more. The term honorable is elusive to me. The other day I saw a duel going on between a countryman and a knight. I asked if he needed help. He said no. So I stayed out. That's honorable. But if he lost I was going in. Is that honorable! Many will say no. For one I had no idea how the fight developed. Did the con come in with alt. Did the con have a superior plane. Heck I didn't look to see what the friendly was flying.
Is spying honorable. Nope. Yet about every country did it in WWII.
Is shooting down a glider honorable. Some will say no? What if the guy calls out no ammo? Should you shoot him down anyway. Some will say no and others yes. Personally I will shoot either plane down. Reason: They should have managed their resources better and why should they get a free pass out after attacking our countrymen or our base. BTW, we use to do that back in AW. That is give free pass. I remember the turning point for me though very clearly. I saw a low con coming in and he said that he was out of ammo. So I let him go. He landed 12 kills and AW didn't have a rearm pad. So I looked at the after action reports. He had been shooting down his own squaddie to get better fighter ranking.
Respect I do understand and is not elusive. Respect is when you give a check 6 and thank those that give it to you. Respect is when you refrain from flaming another and when you <S> the guy that shot you down in a good fight. Respect is when you pick someone and don't hale it over the country channel.
Respect is to treat others the way you want to be treated.
It drives me crazy seeing newer flyers within AH taking the easy way out and staying within the huge horde squads. I wish I could take every new guy within AH and show him the freedom of being able to fight and not have to rely on the mob to protect him.
Aces High is a lot like golf, it is a test of personal ability and watching the ability grow and mature from within. Frankly, I don't care if you are a level bomber, a tanker, a furballer, or a tank plinker; just be good at what you do and realize you don't need 30 others guys around you to affect the game.
I'd hate to say this, but most large squads don't "hide behind the horde" with eachother. If they like to do NOE's, it's not a 24 hr 366 day a year thing you know. I usually see about 10 missions a night, when it's most packed. Out of that, I usually see 5 or 6 work. The other 4 or 5 get busted.
Great post beemer. Hopefully it will stay civil.
I've been playing flight sims for 12 years or more. The term honorable is elusive to me. The other day I saw a duel going on between a countryman and a knight. I asked if he needed help. He said no. So I stayed out. That's honorable. But if he lost I was going in. Is that honorable! Many will say no. For one I had no idea how the fight developed. Did the con come in with alt. Did the con have a superior plane. Heck I didn't look to see what the friendly was flying.i always ask before interfering....no answer, i come into it........tell me to stay out, i stay out.
Is spying honorable. Nope. Yet about every country did it in WWII. and pretty many do it here too. i just saw an example of it in MW a couple nights ago.
Is shooting down a glider honorable. Some will say no? What if the guy calls out no ammo? back in AW3, a few of us used to exit the fight, when the other called no ammo. i no longer do, thanks to people like seighn. Should you shoot him down anyway. Some will say no and others yes. Personally I will shoot either plane down. Reason: They should have managed their resources better and why should they get a free pass out after attacking our countrymen or our base. BTW, we use to do that back in AW. That is give free pass. I remember the turning point for me though very clearly. I saw a low con coming in and he said that he was out of ammo. So I let him go. He landed 12 kills and AW didn't have a rearm pad. So I looked at the after action reports. He had been shooting down his own squaddie to get better fighter ranking.
Respect I do understand and is not elusive. Respect is when you give a check 6 and thank those that give it to you. Respect is when you refrain from flaming another and when you <S> the guy that shot you down in a good fight. Respect is when you pick someone and don't hale it over the country channel. Respect is to treat others the way you want to be treated.
Fair play I will leave for others. That is just as elusive as honor.fair is easy.......if your the 1 in a 1 vs many....anything goes.....if your one of the many, then maybe you should back off, and let the one have a chance, especially if it only started as a 1vs1 or 2. if it is onlyt a 1 vs 1, then avoid the face shooting, ramming, etc. chances are good you don't really need to do it. if you were just fighting in a furball between two bases, no near any ack, and get shot down, when you come back, there's no need to come back at 20k when the fights down at 3 to 5k or lower.
Addendum: There is not much fair about this game. It's really more about freedom than fairness. The freedom to choose what you want to do and what to do it in. For the most part you can choose the situation you want to be in or the situation you want to avoid. For instance if there is a large horde and not many friendlies you don't have to fly to defend. You can sit in a manned ack or up a gv or just avoid the area. Better yet just fly on the fringes of the horde and drag one out. Still though if you go to the level of pilot vs pilot, plane vs plane there will never be fair play. It's not even possible.
In the first 5 years of AH, if you saw someone under 18 in AH, chances were he was bright, intelligent, driven, mature, and willing to work hard to succeed and fit in.
Now the younger people I see joining AH are not that bright, incabable or unwilling to read, have no interest in learning, or fitting in. They just want to game, and they don't care HOW they do it.
By their standards, they have honor of a sort. But by ours, they have none, and this is a big part of where the conflict lies.
I hate to bring this up again, I feel as though I am wasting my time. You view this game a certain way that is vastly different from my own, but this is how I view the game when looking at a new player.
(I posted this in a different forum)
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1. Guy starts AH, has no clue what to do.
2. He finds the ACM/Dogfighting skill curve too steep, decides to affect the game the only way he can; bombing.
3. He starts off with heavy fighters, most often augering in the process of hitting the target.
4. He moves on to heavy bombers, not always learning how to use the bomb site.
5. He finds a squad of like minded individuals, and with enough of them, they begin to feel as though they are unstoppable. They ridicule everyone they steam roll and avoid those they can't gang easily enough.
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At this point they;
A. Continue to base take with large numbers and futher refine the process with more numbers or specialized missions.
B. Get bored of base taking.
C. Get tired of being smacked around by experienced sticks and approach a friendly one to teach them.
D. Decide to approach the game from a new perspective, often through scenarios or some other event.
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It drives me crazy seeing newer flyers within AH taking the easy way out and staying within the huge horde squads. I wish I could take every new guy within AH and show him the freedom of being able to fight and not have to rely on the mob to protect him.
Aces High is a lot like golf, it is a test of personal ability and watching the ability grow and mature from within. Frankly, I don't care if you are a level bomber, a tanker, a furballer, or a tank plinker; just be good at what you do and realize you don't need 30 others guys around you to affect the game.
That said, there are very few I honor within Aces High and those gents I've known for well over 10 years (people like Corky, Silat, Fencer). I respect many that don't share my view of how Aces High so long as they reciprocate; don't hide in the horde or ruin the few good fights the rest of us can find on the map.
That said, have you spent anytime with someone who can show you some moves in the DA, Bmwgs? The joy of base taking can't even compare to taking on multiple cons by yourself and winning. Until you have tasted that freedom, you haven't really experienced Aces High, imho...
Let me know, I'd be more than happy to teach you the little I know.
I wouldnt just single out under 18's with that brush i've seen countless "adults" behave just as bad when it comes to respect.
My definition of respect:you are correct....this game overall, is a good place.
I treat others with respect regardless of whether I am acquainted with them through the internet or face to face.. In my opinion, this game is a very good environment in that it shows how someone really acts toward others they most likely will never meet in person. I do not associate with those that insult with anonymity. I respect those that can have differences in opinion still be civil about it.
you are correct....this game overall, is a good place.Tard :P :D
i don't treat everyone with respect though. you want it, you have to earn it, or give it. i treat people in here just as i would if they were in the same room with me. you treat me like crap, i treat u that way. you treat me with respect, then i do the same.
pretty simple really.
I'd hate to say this, but most large squads don't "hide behind the horde" with eachother. If they like to do NOE's, it's not a 24 hr 366 day a year thing you know. I usually see about 10 missions a night, when it's most packed. Out of that, I usually see 5 or 6 work. The other 4 or 5 get busted.
From BaldEagl:
Do you understand now?
This is a question I'm not sure how to take. One part says your being sarcastic, where the other side of me is saying your just asking a question. Can't really respond to this until I understand the actual intent.
In our "hay-day" in a 3 hour squad night we might run ONE NOE. Today its become the mission of choice. T
Tard :P :D:rofl
I've got to chime in here on something OT...
If the majority of the playerbase thinks the number of NOEs we have in the MA are excessive, that they are an unrealistic mission profile to use 90% of the time, that other styles lead to more fun and more historical matchups, I agree!
However, as with every other problem that is disliked by the majority, the playerbase seems unwilling to make any changes to do anything about it, such as making DAR extend all the way to the ground, etc.
KNOW WHAT my favorite thing about NOE raids are? i don't have to waste 15 minutes climbing out of the cartoon atmosphere to get to the fight. it;s right in the weeds, where it shoudl be. :D
Sir, 15 minutes of climb in the slowest climbing fighters will put you at 30K. Objecting to 15 minutes of climbing might be valid, objecting to 3-4 minutes borders on ADD.
And there is even a way to climb for 15 mins in spite of having ADD:
alt-tab
Otherwise I wouldn't be able to play this game :D
alt-tab and then post to the forum? :)
LOL, the whole point of an NOE raid is to NOT have to fight you. Should you get lucky, find and intercept one in time, don't hang around after looking for more bandits. They've gone looking for another undefended base.
Sir, 15 minutes of climb in the slowest climbing fighters will put you at 30K. Objecting to 15 minutes of climbing might be valid, objecting to 3-4 minutes borders on ADD.
A huge portion of the inanity, hording, and the same set of planes having all of the edges all of the time in the MA is the fact that it really is almost all "in the weeds". There is nothing wrong with dogfighting at low altitude of course but variety, fun, and historical interest would be better served if *something* was done to promote more high-altitude dogfights, not the opposite.
I've only been online here for a couple of months,and learned the following things,
#1,It's only a game.No need it getting mad a getting vulched 3 times in a row.It's happened to me more times than I care to remember.You can take off again from another field.Can't tell you how many times I've been shot in my parachute.
#2 The Stratigists vs dogfigter augument is pretty silly.If you want to go man on man,why no stay in the proper arena? If you don't want the bombers destroying your hangars,go shoot them down.Seems like going to the DA would be a perfect fit for those why want nothing but air to air.Those that enjoy teamwork,tactics,and a well planned mission exectued perfectly can use the Main arenas.
#3 It's only a game.
#4, see #3.
Just my 2cents worth.
I've only been online here for a couple of months,and learned the following things,
#1,It's only a game.No need it getting mad a getting vulched 3 times in a row.It's happened to me more times than I care to remember.You can take off again from another field.Can't tell you how many times I've been shot in my parachute.I GET vulched once. then i come out in a gv, or i up another field and come back to the vulcher. i think a lot do this.
#2 The Stratigists vs dogfigter augument is pretty silly.If you want to go man on man,why no stay in the proper arena? If you don't want the bombers destroying your hangars,go shoot them down.Seems like going to the DA would be a perfect fit for those why want nothing but air to air.Those that enjoy teamwork,tactics,and a well planned mission exectued perfectly can use the Main arenas.the best here is to combine the two. generally, a good strategic actrion will draw a few defenders...thus startign a good dogfight.
#3 It's only a game.
#4, see #3.
Just my 2cents worth.
I've only been online here for a couple of months,and learned the following things,
#1,It's only a game.No need it getting mad a getting vulched 3 times in a row.It's happened to me more times than I care to remember.You can take off again from another field.Can't tell you how many times I've been shot in my parachute.
#2 The Stratigists vs dogfigter augument is pretty silly.If you want to go man on man,why no stay in the proper arena? If you don't want the bombers destroying your hangars,go shoot them down.Seems like going to the DA would be a perfect fit for those why want nothing but air to air.Those that enjoy teamwork,tactics,and a well planned mission exectued perfectly can use the Main arenas.
#3 It's only a game.
#4, see #3.
Just my 2cents worth.
What you probably don't know ... the original intent of this game (and I still believe it is) is to DOGFIGHT ... all the other things that this game has to offer are only catalysts to promote/create situations for dogfighting ... some may disagree, so to them ... let's just agree to disagree before a purse fight breaks out.
If I show you anything, it won't be the cesspool of the furball area of the DA, it has been corrupted and is a pick/run fest. We would do 1v1s at a side field or spend time in the TA.There it is in a nutshell, people. though I won't call the entire DA a cesspool, I will say that the Big Fight area reeks like a New York garbage scow in mid-August.
There are way too many people who play this game that worry about death and avoid it at all cost, and when they can't get away from the opponent and are forced to really dogfight ... they are nothing more than a 2-week noob on his first sortie.
Yes and no. I attempt to land each sortie... for the most part. However how do you ever expect to land a sortie if all you can do when caught off balance is push the nose over and run? What do you do when they are in a faster AC?
Slapshot I deleted most of your response because I have a question only about the last sentence. This is open for debate, it is only a question. When someone starts a sortie in game, should it be a primary concern that they eventually land? Isn't that attempting to bring some reality into the game? I will state I am not a WWII Historian, or have any great knowledge about WWII, but wouldn't the primary concern of each and every pilot in WWII ( or any war) would be to land safely at the end of their sortie?
Fred
When someone starts a sortie in game, should it be a primary concern that they eventually land? Isn't that attempting to bring some reality into the game? I will state I am not a WWII Historian, or have any great knowledge about WWII, but wouldn't the primary concern of each and every pilot in WWII ( or any war) would be to land safely at the end of their sortie?
Slapshot I deleted most of your response because I have a question only about the last sentence. This is open for debate, it is only a question. When someone starts a sortie in game, should it be a primary concern that they eventually land? Isn't that attempting to bring some reality into the game? I will state I am not a WWII Historian, or have any great knowledge about WWII, but wouldn't the primary concern of each and every pilot in WWII ( or any war) would be to land safely at the end of their sortie?
Fred
First off slapshot, The AK's will never make fun of or pick on a squad because of the tactics or use of tactics. If a AK is, they better have good reason why there are. We don't tolerate making fun of other squads.
We love that type of stuff but when it gets to 3:1 or higher, then it gets to be a horde against a squad and causes squads like the AK's to move elsewhere were the odds are better. It not fun to be slaughtered everytime u up.
Fighting over targets and getting your kills stolen by the "I need my name in lights" crowd is no fun either ... YMMV.Yea squad members are bad enough. :furious ;)
Yea squad members are bad enough. :furious ;)
I USED to have some squaddies do that in the squad i used to be in........ :noid
If BKs DON'T steal other BK's kills ... that's grounds for expulsion ... :t
LOL, the whole point of an NOE raid is to NOT have to fight you. Should you get lucky, find and intercept one in time, don't hang around after looking for more bandits. They've gone looking for another undefended base.
Sir, 15 minutes of climb in the slowest climbing fighters will put you at 30K. Objecting to 15 minutes of climbing might be valid, objecting to 3-4 minutes borders on ADD.
A huge portion of the inanity, hording, and the same set of planes having all of the edges all of the time in the MA is the fact that it really is almost all "in the weeds". There is nothing wrong with dogfighting at low altitude of course but variety, fun, and historical interest would be better served if *something* was done to promote more high-altitude dogfights, not the opposite.
If BKs DON'T steal other BK's kills ... that's grounds for expulsion ... :t
Like Fugitive ... my beginnings in AH was with the M.A.W ... another premiere Knight base-taking squad.
I fondly remember bangin' heads with the Mafia and the Arabian Knights and many other good squads. These were epic battles that would last for hours.
To not go back and try again and again would be an embarrassment and the AKs would surely rub it in.
The competition between squads back then was, who could prevail over the other face to face on a given night ... not how many bases we can sneak in a night while trying to avoid the competition.
Yes we wanted to "winz the w@Rz" ... but we wanted to do it only after defeating the enemy and all in our path.
This is what is missing in Aces High these days ... premiere/larger squads do not seem to want to bang heads with opposing premiere/larger squads.
There is nothing wrong with "base taking" or trying to "win the war" ... no different then "back in the day" ... it's the path and mindset of the current squad community that has taken this game and it's game play to it's low point.
I believe, with all seriousness, you can not become a good dog fighter without suffering many deaths
There are way too many people who play this game that worry about death and avoid it at all cost, and when they can't get away from the opponent and are forced to really dogfight ... they are nothing more than a 2-week noob on his first sortie.
I've only been online here for a couple of months,and learned the following things,
#1,It's only a game.No need it getting mad a getting vulched 3 times in a row.It's happened to me more times than I care to remember.You can take off again from another field.Can't tell you how many times I've been shot in my parachute.
#2 The Stratigists vs dogfigter augument is pretty silly.If you want to go man on man,why no stay in the proper arena? If you don't want the bombers destroying your hangars,go shoot them down.Seems like going to the DA would be a perfect fit for those why want nothing but air to air.Those that enjoy teamwork,tactics,and a well planned mission exectued perfectly can use the Main arenas.
#3 It's only a game.
#4, see #3.
Just my 2cents worth.
You want respect, then give me respect. I'm not going to give you respect when you call us horde monkeys or cheaters. I will give you respect when you realize that, wheather or not it was NOE, you say "good take boys, that was suprising <S>" There is a little fun when you beat the mission, and you can say, "Base DENIED!" That's no pun intended, but it's when you can't handle the fact that your base just got taken and you say something cowardly like, "Nice Vulch noobs" or, "wtg, you took the hangars" That's very unappreciative. Obviously, no matter how we take the base, wheather it's NOE, or we tell you on 200 we are coming, we are effective in what we do, and that's why we do it. We use our squads biggest strength, which is numbers.
You want respect, then give me respect. I'm not going to give you respect when you call us horde monkeys or cheaters. I will give you respect when you realize that, wheather or not it was NOE, you say "good take boys, that was suprising <S>" There is a little fun when you beat the mission, and you can say, "Base DENIED!" That's no pun intended, but it's when you can't handle the fact that your base just got taken and you say something cowardly like, "Nice Vulch noobs" or, "wtg, you took the hangars" That's very unappreciative. Obviously, no matter how we take the base, wheather it's NOE, or we tell you on 200 we are coming, we are effective in what we do, and that's why we do it. We use our squads biggest strength, which is numbers. We can still take a base with an ENY of 26, and we can take your base with the hardest planes to fly. It doesn't matter what we do, we can still take any base with great effectiveness. And that's why we do it.
50% of us, don't need to go back to our "hordes" to get kills, but like I said, we are effective at what we do, and why would we change it? we have the numbers almost every night against any squad in the game, we even get a scrolly bar sometimes. We feel "Squad Tactics" is what we do. We fly together and we take bases.
So from furballer to furballer, I know you guys use a wingman as much as you can, am I wrong? I don't know of a time were I had 5+ with out a wingmen. It is the exact same thing that you guys do, just with larger numbers.
If you guys still don't believe me, come to bish, have some fun. <S>
We use our squads biggest strength, which is numbers.
... we have the numbers almost every night against any squad in the game, we even get a scrolly bar sometimes.
Exactly what's wrong with the game today. Hoard mentality.
Exactly what's wrong with the game today. Hoard mentality.LOL what you have quoted sig material.
we have the numbers almost every night against any squad in the game, we even get a scrolly bar sometimes.
my biggest strength, is to throw parts of my 38 o deth at the guy shootin at me. if i getREALLY desperate, i throw my special issue supercharged blender at him. :D
i chased down a 38 last night and almost swore it was you while i was shooting it!
i got hit with enough shedded parts that i had to land right after killing him because my engine was damaged my right aileron was gone and i 2 of my cannons were out!
is this a 38 drivers strategy or what?!
FLOTSOM
I've only been online here for a couple of months,and learned the following things,
#1,It's only a game.No need it getting mad a getting vulched 3 times in a row.It's happened to me more times than I care to remember.You can take off again from another field.Can't tell you how many times I've been shot in my parachute.
#2 The Stratigists vs dogfigter augument is pretty silly.If you want to go man on man,why no stay in the proper arena? If you don't want the bombers destroying your hangars,go shoot them down.Seems like going to the DA would be a perfect fit for those why want nothing but air to air.Those that enjoy teamwork,tactics,and a well planned mission exectued perfectly can use the Main arenas.
#3 It's only a game.
#4, see #3.
Just my 2cents worth.
We can do it with just Jokers or we can do it with the whole country, either way you guys just think "hordes" no matter what. Its funny, you guys complain about it, but if we ever swiched sides you would praise us, especially you Trafalz, and the Lynchmob. You guys don't like it because it's being done to you, and you guys cain't figure out how to beat us, when we beat your 40+ mission last night rooks. You cain't beat a 20+ against your 40+, funny.
Excuse me guys for the "horde mentality" You guys should post the same mission that we do then if you want to back your talk up, most of you guys are hypocrits talking about our missions, when you post you missions to do the same thing we do. We just do it a few more times that you do, and we are realy good at it, unlike the rest of the countrys.
Maybe the squad should swich sides for one month, and see how much praise we get from both countries.
Your talk is cheap, end of story.
Not the direction I intended or wanted this thread to go. Skuzzy when you read this post, please lock the thread, its going nowhere now.
Thanks for all the sincere responses. I at least felt I have learned a bit more.
:salute to all
Fred
We can do it with just Jokers or we can do it with the whole country, either way you guys just think "hordes" no matter what. Its funny, you guys complain about it, but if we ever swiched sides you would praise us, especially you Trafalz, and the Lynchmob. You guys don't like it because it's being done to you, and you guys cain't figure out how to beat us, when we beat your 40+ mission last night rooks. You cain't beat a 20+ against your 40+, funny.
Excuse me guys for the "horde mentality" You guys should post the same mission that we do then if you want to back your talk up, most of you guys are hypocrits talking about our missions, when you post you missions to do the same thing we do. We just do it a few more times that you do, and we are realy good at it, unlike the rest of the countrys.
Maybe the squad should swich sides for one month, and see how much praise we get from both countries.
Your talk is cheap, end of story.
Are you kidding me? Did you honestly think that this thread was not going to incite anything? This thread is a perfect example of what's wrong with this game. So go log in, turn off 200 and play the damn "game".
This is the part of the internet I really hate.
So many people with so little to say.
For instance, a rule such as "thou shalt not attack a bandit with superior numbers (gang)" is something that I will gladly follow to the letter-when it becomes an actual rule in the MA, is enforced, and I can have a reasonable expectation of being protected by the rule as well. Otherwise it is just a preference that I may follow or set aside depending on situation.
I think this comment sums up everything wrong with the game in its current form. BTW I was there at the time and i'm guessing you were flying "RR" because I'd love to have seen you run +jase +dead or any of a host of other 38 drivers out of any arena. anytime anyone tells me they "perfected" any plane I know something smelly is being shoveled.
Not the direction I intended or wanted this thread to go. Skuzzy when you read this post, please lock the thread, its going nowhere now.
Thanks for all the sincere responses. I at least felt I have learned a bit more.
:salute to all
Fred
We can do it with just Jokers or we can do it with the whole country, either way you guys just think "hordes" no matter what. Its funny, you guys complain about it, but if we ever swiched sides you would praise us, especially you Trafalz, and the Lynchmob. You guys don't like it because it's being done to you, and you guys cain't figure out how to beat us, when we beat your 40+ mission last night rooks. You cain't beat a 20+ against your 40+, funny.
Excuse me guys for the "horde mentality" You guys should post the same mission that we do then if you want to back your talk up, most of you guys are hypocrits talking about our missions, when you post you missions to do the same thing we do. We just do it a few more times that you do, and we are realy good at it, unlike the rest of the countrys.
Maybe the squad should swich sides for one month, and see how much praise we get from both countries.
Your talk is cheap, end of story.
NOE misions deep into enemy territory is a waste of time and resourses. Same with HQ raids. AK's usually never partcipate in these missions.To me some of these missions have meaning, not NOE per say... but I find pointless missions more fun than missions with a goal. Me and Karaya create "Candy Mountain Missions" where we do absurd things like fightersweeps in D3A's. They are a lot of fun because they spark a fight and surprise the enemy. Whats more fun than landing 6 air to air kills in a d3a?
To take this argument to the extreme. It is a good thing we have laws that prohibit stealing, murder, speeding...otherwise some would do it freely depending on situation. By this same definition, it is fine to spy as there is no rule against it. nothing wrong with waves upon waves of bomb and bail pilots. Guess there can be no problem with spying as well. There are a whole list of items that are not exactly against the rules, or not enforcable...many which some would believe are just tools of the game. Not taking a stand and just saying that basically anything goes depending on the situation as long as it doesn't violate HTC rules, doesn't (imho) equate to good gameplay. Not trying to pick on you, but the statement just struck me as a way to justify and promote gamey/lame type of gameplay. Not saying you are that type of player, but it seems a bit of a bad way of looking things.
Most games have a set of rules, but also most games have a bit of peer pressure to help steer the game in a certain direction. This is especially important for issues that are simply too large to monitor 24/7 by developers and would be nearly impossible to change through programing alone...without alot of pain. By saying it is ok to perform certain actions because there is no enforcement or rule against it is ok, is basically thumbing your nose at your peers/community and giving justification to any number of suspect gaming elements.
I realize that you are only talking about hordes, but the reasoning behind why it is ok is wide open for discussion and interpertation.
I think he really believes what they do matters somehow :lol :rolleyes:
To me some of these missions have meaning, not NOE per say... but I find pointless missions more fun than missions with a goal. Me and Karaya create "Candy Mountain Missions" where we do absurd things like fightersweeps in D3A's. They are a lot of fun because they spark a fight and surprise the enemy. Whats more fun than landing 6 air to air kills in a d3a?
I was sitting and debating wheather I was going to respond to your post or not. I then read your sig line. Pretty much says it for me.
This will be my last post in this thread. I will again thank everyone for their responses.
:salute
Fred
Not the direction I intended or wanted this thread to go. Skuzzy when you read this post, please lock the thread, its going nowhere now.
Thanks for all the sincere responses. I at least felt I have learned a bit more.
:salute to all
Fred
Excuse me guys for the "horde mentality" You guys should post the same mission that we do then if you want to back your talk up, most of you guys are hypocrits talking about our missions, when you post you missions to do the same thing we do. We just do it a few more times that you do, and we are realy good at it, unlike the rest of the countrys.
Maybe the squad should swich sides for one month, and see how much praise we get from both countries.
Your talk is cheap, end of story.
Respect & honor?....Go to a VFW/ local firehouse/ teachers lounge, etc some afternoon. Take some food and sodas. Tell them you thank them for what they've done, or what they do. It feels good to do, and may even make them feel good which is the point.
As for fair play...I like the MA, and I like the DA. I use them both. I understand the joy of land grabbing, and I understand the thrill of a good 1on1. I almost always find what I'm looking for. Often, I have situations that involve some of both. All in all, it costs 15 Bucks, and that's a Fair price to Play.
All you guys like me who fed quaters into Donkey Kong and Galaga, thats equivelent to two quarters a day in one of those machines for month. Never in my dreams did I picture myself sitting at home in a chair playing against people all over the planet in a flight simulator for that price!
Well, first of all, this is a simple game sir, so mostly outside of the confines of "morality".....
By the way, I consider the opinion of the community worthless. Don't get me wrong...I can appreciate the opinion of Pluck, or Snaphook, or other individual. But a talking about the opinion of communities implies that an idea gains or looses value based upon the number of people who endorse it, a concept both alien and anathema to me.
I think this comment sums up everything wrong with the game in its current form. BTW I was there at the time and i'm guessing you were flying "RR" because I'd love to have seen you run +jase +dead or any of a host of other 38 drivers out of any arena. anytime anyone tells me they "perfected" any plane I know something smelly is being shoveled.
umm it's a game!
In a previous thread there was an issue how the distinction of fair play, honor, and a reasonable even playing field is understood by various players in Aces High.
Oh my gosh that is so well said. btw I fed and fed donkey Kong and space invaders.
Bosco, you weren't here when I started the ball rolling on "The Truce" that got the Fighter Town back on the Donut Map. Not one single Knight craft was shot down by a Rook and vice versa. But you should've heard the whines when the Bish base in FT was getting vultched. I had long logged off, but knew it was eminent. They whined for hours. But, they deserved it, as would any other country deliberately ruining fun for others.
Which brings me to my last point. If folks don't want "spies to be a factor", then stop taking TT bases. Kamori announced one such attempt on 200 today and if he didn't, I would've.
This is honorable as long as your a "Vet" huh.
This probably goes on more often than you would admit to.
The motivation was honorable. Are you failing to see the difference?
Yeah we get it...
Your trying to say that Rook/Knit horde against the Bish its Honorable..... yeah we see that alot. Every day something honorable is being done.... wtg.
The 2 v 1 country pigpile whine is as old as the 3 country setup. And sometimes it's justified.
You're kind of new aren't ya?
Well, first of all, this is a simple game sir, so mostly outside of the confines of "morality". The exception to my mind is actual cheating of some sort, since IMO it carries the taint of the lie. IMO it is implicit when you play that you are going to play the same game as everyone else, grounded in the same simulated physics, so such things as deliberate warping or out-and-out hacking that are clearly out of bounds. When you go into an event with rules it is implicit that you will follow them by your joining in. Violating these rules more or less involves lying or deception, thus is beyond the pale......
When a whine is justified, its no longer a whine.
But as usual from you old timers, its OK when its done by you, not OK by anyone else.
This has been evident for some time, its not hard to figure out where the game degradation responsibility solely lies.
Actually I think it's a compliment that both sides need to team up to get us. How often do they say we don't have any good pilots or we're all noobs etc. Rooks and knits need to watch us every second. If you don't we will run over you.
The Rooks had an additional advantage last camp and maybe this one too. They have a former Bish squad that is almost totally focused back on the Bishops. They had 3000 bishop kills vs. 1500 knight kills.
This is honorable as long as your a "Vet" huh.
This probably goes on more often than you would admit to, since we see it more often than not at this point.
As for the DA, Well the couple time I have gone in there I was hoed, picked, ramed, and gang banged. I can get this in the MA. I guess you think I just fly with a hord all day, well sorry that is not the case. My intent of this thread was not really about me being in a squad but to try to understand the thinking or logic of some of the older vets.
As for the offer to teach me "the little" of what you know. I'm on-line all the time. If you kill me or see me on-line give me a shout I would be honored to be a student of your knowledge.
Fred
After scanning about 40 pages of posts here are the new proposed Rules of play for essentially about 3 players (Names withheld)
1. No NOE's
Noe is fine...horde noe horse of another color
2. No Hording
Can't be stopped...path of least resistance.
3. Chain linked base capture
Was implemented as a test to stop NOE horde... It worked... but the wine was tremendous....so it was removed...along with big maps. Small maps not many places to hide.
Yeah we get it...
Your trying to say that Rook/Knit horde against the Bish its Honorable..... yeah we see that alot. Every day something honorable is being done.... wtg.
Bosco, you weren't here when I started the ball rolling on "The Truce" that got the Fighter Town back on the Donut Map. Not one single Knight craft was shot down by a Rook and vice versa. But you should've heard the whines when the Bish base in FT was getting vultched. I had long logged off, but knew it was eminent. They whined for hours. But, they deserved it, as would any other country deliberately ruining fun for others.
Falconwing posted a few thoughts, but again he jumps right to the defensive. They have a big squad. I don't see them running a lot of NOE mission. They use a good set of tactics, as well as using the map and terrain to decide the best route to take for gaining their objective.They do however, on occasion use far more people than they need and slip into the "horde" grouping. This is where I think the "Respect and Honor" stuff should come into play. They already KNOW they have numbers over the enemy, 3 and 4 to 1 most times I've gone against them. Wouldn't sending in just the newer guy with less skill alone give defenders a chance, and two help to build skills and confidence in the newer players in the squad? You still have your force of better player standing by to help mop up. Training in a big squad like this one must be right at the top of the list for the new guys coming in. What better place to teach them honor and respect! Teach them how to fight, not how to HO. Teach them how to use strategy to capture bases, not brute force.
It should be up to the long standing squads, and old timers to set the scale. Not to slip into the "easyer to do it this way" of doing things. Hold the line and point out to these new squads whats frowned on and whats not.
I understand why guys who fly more solo are frustrated with the MA...but the MA hosts up to 400+ players..why not join an active squad and have fun like the rest of us??? the MA is a squad arena...sure you can have fun solo play but you have to have good SA to setup your fun...flying a p-38 or f4u-1d into a furball is bound to be frustrating...
Fred -
A lot of what I was going to say has already been said, but I'll try to give you a`response that is worth reading. Shane actually posted a thread I started years ago lamenting the sorry state of gameplay in the MA, so it isn't as if any of this is new.
When I started playing Aces High, the game was a much smaller place. During the week, there might be 100 people on during primetime, maybe 150 during the weekend. The focus of the game was on air to air combat. There was some base taking, but it certainly wasn't the main focus. Believe it or not, it actually used to be possible to find a fight by taking off and flying to an enemy base. About half the time, someone would up and meet you en route. If not, if you just flew around for a couple minutes someone would take off looking for a fight. It really was fun.
That sort of thing stopped about 5 or 6 years ago.
There was still a muted focus on air combat, but by then the base taking craze had begun. No longer was it possible to find a fight by flying to an enemy base. Since then, gameplay has just gotten entrenched in that mode. Last time I came back, I mainly went to the DA to play because that was the only place I could find any kind of fight.
The online values thing is actually sort of a sidebar, and most of my views have already been covered, but you deserve a response.
There are two very different views of what "respectful and honorable" behavior is in AH to be specific, and in online games in general. I'll try to constrain my examples to AH. As the focus on gameplay moved away from air combat and towards landgrabbing, there were a number of players who became known as 'jerks' or 'whiners' (depending on who you asked). They got this reputation because they were somewhat less than gracious to whomever happened to kill them. To me that highlights the biggest difference in what "respect" is. The offended folks were angry because they had valiently shot down an opponent (no matter that the guy had already been engaged with 2,3, or X opponents) and given a "<S> amazing fight!" and gotten either nothing or a "nice pick". To the picker, the pickee was rude and disrespectful. To the pickee, the picker wasn't worth showing respect to, as he had already demonstrated his lack of respect for other players in general. Some players even took it to an extreme, tossing out a "<S> nice fight" after killing someone in a flakpanzer, manned ack, or 5" gun. Granted, I only ever saw one person who (in my opinion) took it to that extreme, but that player (again in my opinion) made a mockery of what I considered honorable behaviour - basically that individual, in my opinion, acted with no class.
As far as me coming back and telling y'all how to play the game, you make a good point. I tend to dust off the gear and sign up for an account, then play for a week, or a couple days, or a couple hours (last time) and remember why I left. The gameplay has gone to far away from being an air combat game for me to enjoy it - and I don't think that even if HTC cares (and as long as they are making money, I can't see why they would - it is a business after all) it is within their power to change the way the players use the tools at their disposal.
If there is something I didn't cover in my reply please let me know and I'll try to answer you. I probably won't be able to get back to you until tommorrow though.
Actually what I find most frustrating is the last several times I've come back, I couldn't even drag two or three guys away from their herd in order to get a 2/3v1, much less a 1v1 fight. As soon as the two or three guys chasing get out of icon range of the herd, they turn around and head back. From what I've seen, 1v1's just don't happen in the MA at all (at least I was never able to drag a single con out of icon range of a herd). Amazingly enough, that is even true in the 'furball area' of the DA.
Long live 'the Truce'!
:salute
'The Truce' has to be one of my all time favorite moments in Aces High. It ranks right up there with my first King of the Hill win, and several Scenarios.
Allow me to enlighten those that have no clue as to what happened and fill ya' in on what Karaya and I are talking about.
This was no mere 'truce'.
And afterwards you all sat around singing KUM-BY-YA????
It was an EVENT!
A happening!
A reaffirmation that good wins over evil!
the Truce
Once upon a time when Aces High only had one Main Arena we had a map that had a true "Fighter Town" in it. It was setup much like "Dweeb Lake" is in the Dueling Arena with one base per country on 5-7k plateaus around a small lake and surrounded by 20k mountains.
It was a wonderfull map. Land grabbers loved it because of the base setups while furballers loved it because of the Fighter Town and the constant furball.
The unwritten rule was to not bomb or try to capture Fighter Town.
That particular evening some Bishops decided to capture the other two Fighter Town bases and deprive a large percentage of the AcesHigh population the ability to go there, duke it out, and have fun. There was always a nice little furball going on in Fighter Town, similar to what we have in the DA now, but with less acne and squeaks.
Karaya (Rook) private messaged me (Knit) about getting our respective Fighter Town bases back and we started formulating plans on how to accomplish just that. It took at least an hour to get setup and organized. We enlisted the aid of many squad CO's and eventually had several missions of Rooks and Knits making the 2+ sector 20k run to reclaim what was ours from the griefers that had taken it from us. Fighters, bombers, goon drivers, all winging their way towards destiny.
It was far from easy. The Bishops put up a staunch defence and there was a gigantic blood bath that lasted for several hours. It is fairly easy to defend a field when you have two others under a sector away and the attackers have to fly over two sectors and grab to 20k to even get there. As I recall the Rooks managed their capture first and then flew over to the base the Knights were attacking to support and assist us in getting our field back.
It was indeed a sight to behold! All those Rooks and Knights sharing the same airspace and working together towards a common goal. When I saw Rook fighters escorting the Knight goon I almost teared up.
It is a rare thing to have two countries share the same vision and help each other on that scale. (litterally 100+ Rook/Knight planes in one area) It was one of those "moments" that should never be forgotten as it also represented all that is good (and bad *cough* <FT Griefers>) in the game.
What amazes me the most when I look back on it was we that did not have a single Knight or Rook kill each other in the area untill we had both had our bases back. It was a special moment in Aces High and one that should never be forgotten.
There was much honor and respect shown that wonderous night in the Aces High Main Arena.
I would like to add that we did NOT then go and capture the Bishop Fighter Town base. Many wanted to out of revenge, and much arguing ensued, but to do so would have put us on the same level as the griefer dweebs and sully what just happened. Fair play and level heads won out and the Bishops were allowed to keep their base.
Wish I still had the films.
Just like lute posted..some guys took tank town,now we dont know who they were,and it probably didnt matter,but what happened..the ONE side got PUNISHED for what a few did..So if you dont like what goes on with what the other team is doing,look around your country,the same thing you dont like is probably going on at an enemy base near you..And it is someone you probably know doing it,but you dont say anything to them,because they pay to play the way they want.
Actually what I find most frustrating is the last several times I've come back, I couldn't even drag two or three guys away from their herd in order to get a 2/3v1, much less a 1v1 fight. As soon as the two or three guys chasing get out of icon range of the herd, they turn around and head back. From what I've seen, 1v1's just don't happen in the MA at all (at least I was never able to drag a single con out of icon range of a herd). Amazingly enough, that is even true in the 'furball area' of the DA.
If you dont like it go to the DA or the AVA....
How I present myself in the game and how I interact with other players is what I can control. No one can make me play another way, or cause me to do anything I don't want to.
The best I can hope for is that the way I play, or how I talk to people might rub off on someone else in a positive way. If not, so be it.
Other then that, it's your dime. The sun still comes up tomorrow, and I'm still not really dying and the planes are free.
Your point is well taken...but I don't think it reflects the character of individual players as much as what was bound to occur when you have 350+ in an arena...especially a small map...
You use terms like "herd" but in a large plane encounter only a small percentage are probably tuned to each other...but green planes help green planes and attack red planes...i think it is that simple...and when there are lots of planes then the 1 v 1's, 2 v 2's disappear....
Psst....The Knights say it's the Rook/Bish horde against the Knights.
Some of the "Better Sticks" in the game that can kick butt in 1v1's are often the 3rd or 4th guy on the lone con..
Some of the better sticks in this game are the ones to blame for the suckage that goes on. They spend as much time pissing people off as the newbies do. The difference is the newbies are ignorant of the dweebness....If the good sticks are doing it why learn any differant....
The good sticks are more guilty of the kill still... and the gang than any noob in the MA...
The good sticks are the ones that are always there picking you when your in the rolling scissors with someone.....
The good sticks never break off and let you have a 1v1.....
The Ma Sucks because of the Good sticks just as much as the noobs. You all dont hold your self's to any higher standard than the newbs.....
I would like to tell you that it blows my mind that the good sticks come in here and rant about honor and respect..... I say BS you liars......
Shut up or I will just start posting videos of the lameness....
I can remember the list of good sticks that show respect in this game and this list is real short............
Its because of players like Urchin that I have respect for, that I have learned respect for others in this game... Because of him and those like him I know its ok to lets someone have a 1v1. I know its ok to let a smoking 205 that just kicked uncle to land with his 3 victories...and the list goes on....
<S> FireDrgn
Yeah right, I have never seen anyone from the knits complain about that.......LOL all the bloody time.
I like this type of conversation:
Knight pilot: There's a panzer under me...NOW!"
Duhasst: "I see him"
Knight Pilot "Here i'll straff him for you"
Duhasst "No need I am firing at him"
Then the knight pilot straffs him 3-4 times gaining the kill. WHY WHY WHY I ask.
Knight Pilot "Hey a flak just upped"
Duhasst "Go get him...hehehe"
Duhasst<----making a list of knights I will not help unless it's to clear thier 12!
:aok
I saw last night someone landed 25 kills in a 51D, you cant tell me that guy didnt pick them kills and probably stole a few..... :rofl
[begin hijack]
ya know one way that would aid in defeating the horde mentality, is if only the first person to hit a plane with a bullet can get the credit for the kill.
FLOTSOM
So in a furball a guy zipps through pinging a bunch. Then he flies back and waits for his kills?
now some may say "well then you will have people shooting at a plane scoring a hit on it then running away cause even if someone else shoots it down they will still get the credit for it" well this may not be the actual case.
FLOTSOM
So in a furball a guy zipps through pinging a bunch. Then he flies back and waits for his kills?
This is what they are doing, they get the ping and someone else finishes them off.
What they should do is only give the kill to the guy that actually gives the death blow. You see it all the time where people ping gv's, or another plane and someone else shoots you and you die but the first guy gets the kill, I get more assists than kills even though I finish the guy off.
do you ever bother to completely read a post and understand it before you run your mouth?
FLOTSOM
as i stated above, first off he has to ping them before anyone else has hit them, then he has to get away without any one of those (or others) he pinged chasing him down and killing him, then he needs to go sit somewhere being very bored and hoping that others will finish his work for him.
FLOTSOM
Crippling damage for teh win. :aok
The first bullet to hit a plane gets the kill idea sucks but maybe the first person to take a wing or tail off should.
The first bullet to hit a plane gets the kill idea sucks but maybe the first person to take a wing or tail off should.
Crippling damage for teh win. :aok
Can't have it... BKs will never get up... to busy vulching one another. :D
personally i wish kill shooter was off and you could kill the tards that annoy you
FLOTSOM
Can't have it... BKs will never get up... to busy vulching one another. :D:huh
my idea is essentially a play on the simple greed of the individual, if they are not getting theirs then why should they help you get yours buy jumping the target with you or for you. greed and selfishness is generally the the basis of this type of behavior. if you remove the pay off you remove the motivation of those considering perpetrating the act.It is also greed and selfishness that will prevent someone from getting help in a fight if he asks for it or needs it.
i agree with both of these, but how does either of these prevent the horde or the gang bang?
ya know one way that would aid in defeating the horde mentality, is if only the first person to hit a plane with a bullet can get the credit for the kill.
FLOTSOM
So you the kind of guy that goes through and licks all the chips in the bag so no one else wants any?
I see the repeated theme of, "if you see a 2 v 1, no need to make it 3-4-5-6 v 1 if it's not directly related to some base op in progress, ie, off to the side or away from a major-ish furball." And, frankly, it's poor tactics.
This has been pretty much my most consistent gripe over the years, senseless gangbanging a fight in progress - trust me even "vets" do this thing, I can easily dig up posts from 2002-04 showing this. I can understand newbies doing this since they don't really know better and are only wanting to kill something
This is the kind of stuff that drives me nuts!! Why would a person WANT to be the 15th or 20th guy in on a fight? To me, if I see a squad hitting a base I might do a bit of an end around and pork the bases behind the one the squad is hitting to help them out, it also has the advantage of pulling numbers away from their fight to defend against me, AND starts another fight !
Yesterday rooks were getting hammered in orange. We started out defending our main island then took the port on the north tip, then the cv, then on to A24. Numbers were relatively even, the fights were good for the most part.... did have some guys thinking running to ack was more important than fighting...but then the Bish horde gets together. I have no idea of the numbers, but I didn't both aiming in the WW I was in, I just held the trigger down and racked the sky. I got 3 before ghi dive bombed me in a B26 (another lame move). They captured a couple of bases, then jumped to the Knight front and ran off 5 or 6 more captures to win the war. The rest of the night was down hill from there.... cap numbers all a mess... people complaining about hordes... even saw a few congratulating each other for getting all those perks for winning the war ! LOL!!!
I don't understand some of this. How much fun is it really if your the 16th guy in on a base capture mission.... towns flat, vh is down, no GVs, vulch lite is lite but nobodys upping and heaven forbid you drop your bombs on the field !!! Wheres the fun in that? In a 3 on 1 fight yesterday, and ALL THREE HAD TOO GO FOR THE HO ! why? Am I such a big threat ?? I even ask the guy who killed me...on his 3rd pass why the HOs, he never answered, I'm think he was embarrassed... at least I hope he was. Maybe one thing leads to another.... you fly in the horde, so you MUST take every shot you can get, even a HO because you have to beat the rest of the horde to the kill.
Dude i have no idea what your in game cpid is..if it is fugitive then i am not even aware of you...i would think someone who routinely opposes missions would stick out in my mind...im going to guess we haven't ever killed each other...
secondly...did you even bother to read urchins post i was responding to??? i was replying to why its hard to find 1 v 1's in the MA and you seemed to think i was encouraging hording??? please save us both time and try comprehending the point of a post prior to replying...
OF COURSE NOBODY WANTS TO BE THE 15th PLANE TO A FIGHT...are you that dense that you seem to feel the need to tell people something they already know? But when you fly a large dar bar over to 38 and find noone ups to fight you, then sometimes you do fight over the few kills to be had. BTW I was at the base 38 you were referring too...it took us two complete town kills to get it...im guessing 1/2 hour. It was a base on the rook main island...who would have thought the rooks wouldn't defend it??? When you popped up in the whirblewind there were 5 planes trying to cap and two if us were bingo...If you got out of a whirblewind in which you are admittedly not even aiming in and got a few squaddies to break the cap you might not get bombed and have to whine about it...holy cow your post is so full of what is wrong with the whiners it is incredible....did you consider launching from a nearby base and winging up with a few guys to break the cap??? NO...to griefers like you it is OTHERs responsibility to let you have fun the way you want it...
Your point is well taken...but I don't think it reflects the character of individual players as much as what was bound to occur when you have 350+ in an arena...especially a small map...
You use terms like "herd" but in a large plane encounter only a small percentage are probably tuned to each other...but green planes help green planes and attack red planes...i think it is that simple...and when there are lots of planes then the 1 v 1's, 2 v 2's disappear....
Dude i have no idea what your in game cpid is..if it is fugitive then i am not even aware of you...
.... BTW I was at the base 38 you were referring too...it took us two complete town kills to get it...im guessing 1/2 hour. It was a base on the rook main island...who would have thought the rooks wouldn't defend it??? When you popped up in the whirblewind there were 5 planes trying to cap and two if us were bingo...
Easily possible to get 25 kills without stealing kills, If youre flynig a p51. Now if he got 100+ in a p40b, then you start wondering :D
I'll fight any odds anywhere, anytime, win or lose, it's all about the fight in my book.
Nothing is better than allowing a superior performing Spit16 to dive on my 38 and eventually wearing him down to the point I can get a guns solution on him. It is a high beyond measure!I agree with you here delirium.
If you only engage when you have the advantage, you will find yourself meat any time you do not have that advantage. Do you want to be the hunter or the hunted? Sometimes, the hunter isn't the guy with the better plane and more altitude...
What I find more annoying is that the "friendlies" will avoid any high con like the plague. Until after someone with some nads works the bogie until they gain the upperhand 1v1. Then all the bottomfeeders suddenly want to join in and start shoulder shooting.
tell me how you feel.
Some of the "Better Sticks" in the game that can kick butt in 1v1's are often the 3rd or 4th guy on the lone con..
Some of the better sticks in this game are the ones to blame for the suckage that goes on. They spend as much time pissing people off as the newbies do. The difference is the newbies are ignorant of the dweebness....If the good sticks are doing it why learn any differant....
The good sticks are more guilty of the kill still... and the gang than any noob in the MA...
The good sticks are the ones that are always there picking you when your in the rolling scissors with someone.....
The good sticks never break off and let you have a 1v1.....
The Ma Sucks because of the Good sticks just as much as the noobs. You all dont hold your self's to any higher standard than the newbs.....
I would like to tell you that it blows my mind that the good sticks come in here and rant about honor and respect..... I say BS you liars......
Shut up or I will just start posting videos of the lameness....
I can remember the list of good sticks that show respect in this game and this list is real short............
Its because of players like Urchin that I have respect for, that I have learned respect for others in this game... Because of him and those like him I know its ok to lets someone have a 1v1. I know its ok to let a smoking 205 that just kicked uncle to land with his 3 victories...and the list goes on....
<S> FireDrgn
I can't count the amount of times i have reversed a Spixteen with alt only to get HO'ed by him or some just off the field Hurri or more often than not some 500mph partially compressed pony looking for the easy kill.
Calm down !!! I think it is you who should try reading a bit more here.
This is the quote I quoted...
I was agreeing with you, and the bold section as it happens to fit with what I posted which was "too many people follow the horde", which then brings the statement of "why would anybody want to be the 15th person in on a fight".
you then start your post off with this....
and follow it up with....
so which is it...do you know my name or not ???
For the record I was talking about A26 which is NOT on the mainland, and I'm guessing happened much earlier in the day. It was Jokers for the most part and one other squad that had big numbers on at the same time for the Bish.
If you read back I havn't picked on any squad, nor running missions...other than the kids squads running NOE after NOEs as their main attack. I even complimented your squad on the well run ops that I have run into complaining only that you seem to concentrate your numbers in one spot....taking the fun away from the defenders. Thats one of the reasons I stopped running missions as the CO of the Mafia. It was getting too hard to run missions that were both fun for the squad with out being a "griefer" to the other teams.
I agree, in the old days the numbers were smaller so it made things a bit more intimate, you had a pretty good idea who was coming or who was likely to be defending when you attacked. I think with the bigger numbers it could still happen, but it would take a bit more work. A good example is the fight I was talking about at A26. In stead of the Jokers AND the other squad they were working with hitting each base together with over whelming force, they could have split their forces and had the Jokers hit the Rooks, and the other squad hit the Knights. More fights, more even numbers better time had by all, right?
I've played these games for over 10 years. Started as MDJOE in AW before it was called "classic", then here once AW close as MDJOE untill Tour 65 when I changed my name to Fugitive. Some call me Fugi :D I couldn't care less if "your not even aware of me". I fly to have fun. The squad I'm in is just a bunch of guys out to tell jokes and shoot down planes. This thread was started to get a conversation going about what we think might be considered Respect- Honor - and fair play. I've posted my thoughts....you posted your uninformed rants ... well done :aok
Bongaroo i don't know ur in game id but i can tell u this. if had to chase i was probably out of fuel rtb or winchester.
And lets face it u probably jumped my six after i shot one of ur buddies down.
So who is lame really?
Chaseing a plane RTB, cuz you yourself are probably exactly what i'm talking about.
But u will try to use my comments against me.
I can tell u this also i have never ducked a DA, and if i do i will say no point u r better than me.
Many people have beat me in DA i always admit to it.
Most i beat lie when they get back to MA.
So in closing I will say same i always say stop whining STFU or take me to DA.
Any1 who wants some knows where to find me.
I'll be sure to ask you to the DA when we meet again. Also my in game is posted in my sig. 420ace in case you miss that again.Aren't you the lamer tiffie picktard?
...I see a good stick as one who avoids the HO for a clean merge. A good stick doesn't jump into a fight to become the 3rd or 4th chasing a single red guy. A good stick doesn't run multiple sectors avoiding a fight. A good stick knows how useless much of the score page is. A good stick doesn't start PMing people to start cursing them out over loosing a fight. A good stick doesn't need to stay in ENY 5 planes to win a fight and usually won't be found in one. (Funny that what I consider a good stick doesn't even involve landing huge numbers of kills or capturing the most bases, huh?)...
Aren't you the lamer tiffie picktard?
Or is it a pony lamer.
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thank-you by this definition I am the epitome of "good stick"
sweeeeet :D
You could check my stats. I mostly fly the Ki-84 or the P-38J. I dabble with other planes as well. Betty tried to get me to fly that typhoon but I don't like it that much. I don't fly the pony that much either.Good advice i checked ur stats and turns out that in the last 5 months u have no kills on me sooooo...
But good try... :rolleyes:
Pretty much. Hope to see you up in the cartoon skies sometime.
Good advice i checked ur stats and turns out that in the last 5 months u have no kills on me sooooo...
I think u must be confusing me with someone else.
U Rook or Nit?
its some how going to help in real life.
This incident would have been before this summer maybe even longer ago. And I can think of at least two people with Joker in their name so perhaps that would be it.420ace maybe u should just leave this one alone.
I mostly fly bish but I float around a lot.
If you think anything in this game is going to be helpful in real life, I'm afraid you are going to be a little disappointed. Learning to take care of yourself and not need to rely on others will make you a better assest when you are working with others though.
420ace maybe u should just leave this one alone.
I'm the J0KER of the Bish Jokers Jokers,
Name ring a bell now?
I'm the J0KER of the Bish Jokers Jokers,
Name ring a bell now?
:O Are you important? :O
:O Are you important? :O
:O Are you important? :O
You know whats funny is, most of you people who whine about Vulching and hording, and only think that 1v1 is the only way, actually think that its some how going to help in real life. Yes, I know how to 1v1 in this game, and I know I'm pretty dam good at it. But take this into consideration: I'm 16, would I rather learn how to work with other people interactively in real life, or would I like to be the loner that only knows how to work with himself? Most of you guys who complain about it now, are probably retired and would much rather work alone. As for me, on the other hand, I know that the only way to get around in the world in real life, is to interact.
Like Joker said, anytime you see me in the MA, or DA (it's just Bosco BTW) just PM me, and I would be glad to fight you. Personally, I would rather do it in the DA, were you won't get ganged at the first sign of trouble, insted of the MA, and that's why I fly completely differently in the MA, than I do in the DA.
420ace maybe u should just leave this one alone.
I'm the J0KER of the Bish Jokers Jokers,
Name ring a bell now?
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Silly NB, he's a Lemming among Lemmings.
ack-ack
Must be one of those AH legends :)
That and a dollar might get you a can of coke. :aok
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That's better Lynx.
Kneel before me.
Startin to like you.
:rofl
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wrongway
You know whats funny is, most of you people who whine about Vulching and hording, and only think that 1v1 is the only way, actually think that its some how going to help in real life. Yes, I know how to 1v1 in this game, and I know I'm pretty dam good at it. But take this into consideration: I'm 16, would I rather learn how to work with other people interactively in real life, or would I like to be the loner that only knows how to work with himself? Most of you guys who complain about it now, are probably retired and would much rather work alone. As for me, on the other hand, I know that the only way to get around in the world in real life, is to interact.
Like Joker said, anytime you see me in the MA, or DA (it's just Bosco BTW) just PM me, and I would be glad to fight you. Personally, I would rather do it in the DA, were you won't get ganged at the first sign of trouble, insted of the MA, and that's why I fly completely differently in the MA, than I do in the DA.
This is somewhat off topic but I'll comment...
I'm 50 but I built 3 companies from scratch to net yearly revenues of 1MM+ before the age of 40. While teamwork is essential to success the real key to growth is identifying and nurturing those people who will rise above and beyond expectations. The majority of those people are intensely competitive and driven to individual benchmarks to measure success. Any good senior manager knows that eagles don't flock together and that you'll normally only have them for a period of time, but if you harness their talents and nurture them you can reap tremendous rewards before they move on. Every major company on the planet is overburdened by an awful lot of people that "interact". If we view your earlier posts that clearly indicate a focus on numbers vs efficiency and creativity what you see is the real life counterpart of a bloated and non competitive enterprise. The MA has little relevance in gaging a squads actual capabilities anymore IMO.
This is somewhat off topic but I'll comment...
I'm 50 but I built 3 companies from scratch to net yearly revenues of 1MM+ before the age of 40. While teamwork is essential to success the real key to growth is identifying and nurturing those people who will rise above and beyond expectations. The majority of those people are intensely competitive and driven to individual benchmarks to measure success. Any good senior manager knows that eagles don't flock together and that you'll normally only have them for a period of time, but if you harness their talents and nurture them you can reap tremendous rewards before they move on. Every major company on the planet is overburdened by an awful lot of people that "interact". If we view your earlier posts that clearly indicate a focus on numbers vs efficiency and creativity what you see is the real life counterpart of a bloated and non competitive enterprise. The MA has little relevance in gaging a squads actual capabilities anymore IMO.
Don't know any company that thrived without teamwork or basketball team or football team or even building a house etc.
Don't know any company that thrived without teamwork or basketball team or football team or even building a house etc.
companies need a basketball, and football team to thrive? and they have to build a house? dammit!! that's what i've been doign wrong!!
A lot of people confuse teamwork and leadership. Like I said this is a bit off topic, but since Bosco is young and his intentions are obviously good I thought it worth the post. In the business sense I am an "eagle". I made other people significant money in return for guidance and mentoring, built my own companies and in turn mentored over a dozen others who now run successful businesses. Teamwork evolves from leadership and leaders march to their own cadence. I would hazard to guess that a significant % of the lone rangers bosco refers to are reasonably successful IRL. That in no way is meant to imply that others who play differently are not. I just know from personal experience that most "eagles" I've met gravitate to individual recreational activities like golf, flying, motocross or other individual types of challenge. True teamwork flows from leadership not interaction. As one of my personal mentors often said...if you need to look back to check if they're coming then your just wishing...not leading.I have run a couple businesses myself.
This is somewhat off topic but I'll comment...
I'm 50 but I built 3 companies from scratch to net yearly revenues of 1MM+ before the age of 40. While teamwork is essential to success the real key to growth is identifying and nurturing those people who will rise above and beyond expectations. The majority of those people are intensely competitive and driven to individual benchmarks to measure success. Any good senior manager knows that eagles don't flock together and that you'll normally only have them for a period of time, but if you harness their talents and nurture them you can reap tremendous rewards before they move on. Every major company on the planet is overburdened by an awful lot of people that "interact". If we view your earlier posts that clearly indicate a focus on numbers vs efficiency and creativity what you see is the real life counterpart of a bloated and non competitive enterprise. The MA has little relevance in gaging a squads actual capabilities anymore IMO.
I ran a lemonade stand once. I feel it is very relevant to this conversation.
That's funny right there...i don't care who ya are. Bravo 420!
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