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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Serenity on December 26, 2009, 05:00:09 PM
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... I was just pulled over for a speeding ticket. I do NOT intend to fight the fact that I was speeding. I was, that is inexcusable, and I must own up to it. However, I know beyond a shadow of a doubt the speed was WRONG. I was clocked at 83MPH in a 55MPH zone. The distance the officer claimed to have made the shot from was 753ft. At the time I was clocked, I was being PASSED by three other vehicles, a light green Prius, a new shiney (Metalic) blue Honda Civic, and a third car I could not clearly see, though it was a black sedan. I was in the far left lane of a three lane highway, and the Prius and Civic were in the middle lane, the black sedan on the far right. The officer was parked on the far right side of the highway, and I could only see him for a second before he was obscured by the three cars passing me. (Though they were passing me, they were slamming on their brakes, as the civic almost hit the prius). My point of contention was that I do not believe the officer was gunning me. There were three other cars between us moving faster than I was.
My evidence is, well, weak. The best I have to go by is my word, and the word of a passenger, that those cars were there. I do not have any moving violations or previous arrests, nor does my passenger. In addition, I have my vehicle. It's a 1999 Suzuki Station Wagon. It is NOT a speed demon, and the road was uphill. I know for a fact my vehicle cannot reach 80MPH going uphill, even with the accelerator fully depressed, and overdrive off (The condition in which the vehicle obtains it's maximum speed and acceleration). My passenger and I both looked at my speedometer as soon as we saw the officer's car, because I do have a tendency to speed, though again, that's usually no more than 60MPH in a 55MPH zone. We both saw my speed to be 65MPH on the dot. Also, at speeds of over 60MPH, my steering column begins to shake violently, as does the rest of the car, so I would KNOW if I was going 83MPH. I would be praying for my own survival, as the car is barely in one piece as it is.
So basically, the officer wants to hit me with an excessive speeding charge. I disagree. I will own up to speed, pay the fine, do community service, whatever is requested. I broke the law, I am responsible for the results. However, the Excessive Speeding charge is, well, excessive. I was NOT doing 83MPH and I COULD NOT have been doing 83MPH in those conditions. I do not also feel the officer could have accurately hit MY vehicle, three lanes away from him with three other vehicles in between and in startlingly close proximity to myself from 753ft, ESPECIALLY if I really HAD been moving 83MPH.
In the end, I guess I am asking for advice on contesting the speed itself.
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You won't win it. You can fight the ticket, but unless you really take it all the way fighting the speed and get them to admit the cops dashcam as evidence (which probably wouldn't help you anyway, as most aren't attached to the radar gun and won't show what he saw, just what his car was pointed at), you'll never get a judge to take your word on it. Most likely you'll just tick him/her off into thinking you're trying to weasel out of a more serious offense by pretending to be cooperative.
I'd still talk to a lawyer who specializes in traffic law, but you're pretty much screwed.
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I was clocked at 83MPH in a 55MPH zone.
play for the minnesota vikings?
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Some radars only deliver information on the fastest or slowest vehicle in the pack. In cases where the officer has one of those radars he cant be sure except through his experience and judgment which vehicle is the one he is after.
Fighting and winning is going to take more bucks than its worth but you might win it with an expensive lawyer... then again you might also lose with an expensive lawyer.
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Some radars only deliver information on the fastest or slowest vehicle in the pack. In cases where the officer has one of those radars he cant be sure except through his experience and judgment which vehicle is the one he is after.
Fighting and winning is going to take more bucks than its worth but you might win it with an expensive lawyer... then again you might also lose with an expensive lawyer.
My one hope is that recently the Hawaii Supreme Court overturned an almost identical case because the officer was unable to prove the device was effective and properly used.
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Ask to see the Records for the Radar in question. THey will have to bring it in, and see when it was callibrated last. If its calibtaion is not up to date then you are clear, if it is, ask them to tune it, and take the A flat tuning fork that you took in with you and tap it when they try to tune it. It will go nuts. It worked for me a few years ago.
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Ask to see the Records for the Radar in question. THey will have to bring it in, and see when it was callibrated last. If its calibtaion is not up to date then you are clear, if it is, ask them to tune it, and take the A flat tuning fork that you took in with you and tap it when they try to tune it. It will go nuts. It worked for me a few years ago.
If it was a laser? (I believe we use the LTI 20-20 Ultralyte).
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Can't hurt to fight it. Go to court, tell your story, say you want to see the film from the dash cam.
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I would guess the thing you have to deal with here is whether fighting for principal out weights the cost of the fight.
But there are people who know much more about this process than I, I'll be following this thread to see how it plays out.
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Plead not guilty. Go in to court. They will not throw it out, but will agree to knock it down a level just to save time in court.
This is the drill and it always works.
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Never been stopped by a lazer, Well except the Green ones that usually are followed by a bang. :bolt:
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Plead not guilty. Go in to court. They will not throw it out, but will agree to knock it down a level just to save time in court.
This is the drill and it always works.
The hell it does.
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THere is always the Pay off the judge, and Bribe the cop approach. :bolt:
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The hell it does.
:lol Not for me either. :lol
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... I was just pulled over for a speeding ticket. I do NOT intend to fight the fact that I was speeding. I was, that is inexcusable, and I must own up to it. However, I know beyond a shadow of a doubt the speed was WRONG. I was clocked at 83MPH in a 55MPH zone. The distance the officer claimed to have made the shot from was 753ft. At the time I was clocked, I was being PASSED by three other vehicles, a light green Prius, a new shiney (Metalic) blue Honda Civic, and a third car I could not clearly see, though it was a black sedan. I was in the far left lane of a three lane highway, and the Prius and Civic were in the middle lane, the black sedan on the far right. The officer was parked on the far right side of the highway, and I could only see him for a second before he was obscured by the three cars passing me. (Though they were passing me, they were slamming on their brakes, as the civic almost hit the prius). My point of contention was that I do not believe the officer was gunning me. There were three other cars between us moving faster than I was.
My evidence is, well, weak. The best I have to go by is my word, and the word of a passenger, that those cars were there. I do not have any moving violations or previous arrests, nor does my passenger. In addition, I have my vehicle. It's a 1999 Suzuki Station Wagon. It is NOT a speed demon, and the road was uphill. I know for a fact my vehicle cannot reach 80MPH going uphill, even with the accelerator fully depressed, and overdrive off (The condition in which the vehicle obtains it's maximum speed and acceleration). My passenger and I both looked at my speedometer as soon as we saw the officer's car, because I do have a tendency to speed, though again, that's usually no more than 60MPH in a 55MPH zone. We both saw my speed to be 65MPH on the dot. Also, at speeds of over 60MPH, my steering column begins to shake violently, as does the rest of the car, so I would KNOW if I was going 83MPH. I would be praying for my own survival, as the car is barely in one piece as it is.
So basically, the officer wants to hit me with an excessive speeding charge. I disagree. I will own up to speed, pay the fine, do community service, whatever is requested. I broke the law, I am responsible for the results. However, the Excessive Speeding charge is, well, excessive. I was NOT doing 83MPH and I COULD NOT have been doing 83MPH in those conditions. I do not also feel the officer could have accurately hit MY vehicle, three lanes away from him with three other vehicles in between and in startlingly close proximity to myself from 753ft, ESPECIALLY if I really HAD been moving 83MPH.
In the end, I guess I am asking for advice on contesting the speed itself.
his radar saw the closest vehicle to him.
what you have against you:
you're young
you were in the left lane
you probably admitted to speeding when he had you stopped...and it's recorded.
what you have for you:
the officer cannot verify it was you, as long as you can prove there were cars passing you.
there were 3 other possible targets there. to the best of my knowledge, only laser can single out a target.
now....the only reasons you got stopped, are because you were in the left lane, and because you were the slowest out of the group..thus easier to catch.
fight it. do not admit to any speed more than 5mph over. a car like yours generally had between 3 and 8mph error.(my dakota reads 6mph hi, my taurus reads 8mph hi).
when you go to court, dress professionally(don't use your CAP uniform), and present yourself calmly, and professionally. DO NOT attack the officer. approach it as "sir, i know that the officer has his job to do, and i was pretty sure that my car wasn't capable of the speed i was written for, so i took it to a shop to have my speedometer checked. i also used my gps(if you have an aviation one, be sure he knows it) to verify my speedometer myself at(insert some speeds here). it was reading in error by(insert the amount here).
now, seeing as there were 3 cars passing me, i truly thought i was either on or slightly below the speed limit.
or something on that order. it's all in the approach you take. you have to be polite(which i already imagine you are) and concise. you kind of want to make the officer put himself on the defensive, which will happen if the three passing cars are brought up.
now, please, don't mis-intrepert anything i'm saying.......but i've seen what games nj police play. i would imagine others do the same.
i watched a 3 bike race on rt38. in mount laurel. i told my girlfriend that that dude right there(i saw the pd cruiser 2 cars behind me)...i pointed at the loser of the race.......i told her he was gonna be the one to be stopped. she said no way, because the other 2 were much faster. the officer pulled over the slow guy. he was the easy target.
anyway, keep us informed......and i truly hope you make out ok.
one final thing........if you havent already, talk about this to your parents. explain it to em. they'll find out somehow........
almost forgot.....make sure your friend that was with you can come to court with you. if you know any police officers, or you know anyone in cap that does, ask them for advice too.
i just read further down....if it was laser, he can pick any car out of a pack...........
for future reference, keep your CAP ID card with your DL.
last time i got stopped, it was for expired tags. here in nj, there is never any argument for that...they call a tow truck, and impound your car.
my CAP ID "accidently" fell out as i was pulling my DL out. the officer asked me if i was airforce, as he could only see the seal. i handed him the card, and a 5 minute lesson(to him)ensued on what/who CAP is, and our capabilities. he then told me to go home, and if he ran my tag tomorrow, and it wasn't renewed, my car was gonna be towed.
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Do Cap1's Lawyer imitation and the Judge will probably beat on you like your a rented mule. Cap beat a registration ticket and now he's F. Lee Bailey. :huh
Tell the judge what you truly believe. That you were speeding but not going that fast, "you do take an oath before testifying yaknow". You think they havnt heard all that before?
Tell the truth and he may show you mercy. Get caught up in Lies and the fine will be heavy.
Probably 98 out of a 100 Ive written thought they were either not wrong, or, wrong only of something Less. Imagine being wrong with total strangers so often. :headscratch:
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one final thing........if you havent already, talk about this to your parents. explain it to em. they'll find out somehow........
Yeah... The problem with my speeding ticket is that my dad is an officer for the city I got it in. >.< He heard it over the radio, and came home laughing...
Anyways, my dad says that, 1) You're toast. 2) The steering column shaking, he says, "Be lucky you didn't get caught driving with defective equipment and get a reckless driving ticket on top of it. Don't tell the judge about the steering column, they'll slam you even more. Pay the ticket, cut your losses. "
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Do Cap1's Lawyer imitation and the Judge will probably beat on you like your a rented mule. Cap beat a registration ticket and now he's F. Lee Bailey. :huh
Tell the judge what you truly believe. That you were speeding but not going that fast, "you do take an oath before testifying yaknow". You think they havnt heard all that before?
Tell the truth and he may show you mercy. Get caught up in Lies and the fine will be heavy.
Probably 98 out of a 100 Ive written thought they were either not wrong, or, wrong only of something Less. Imagine being wrong with total strangers so often. :headscratch:
no. i've gotten off on several possible speeding tickets that way.
wait...one of them was because i knew the chief in that town...the others though, were simply because i politely picked apart the situation.
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Yeah... The problem with my speeding ticket is that my dad is an officer for the city I got it in. >.< He heard it over the radio, and came home laughing...
Anyways, my dad says that, 1) You're toast. 2) The steering column shaking, he says, "Be lucky you didn't get caught driving with defective equipment and get a reckless driving ticket on top of it. Don't tell the judge about the steering column, they'll slam you even more. Pay the ticket, cut your losses. "
the only problem with taking the ticket(83 in 55 zone) is more than likely he;s gonna lose his DL...and his insurance will go through the roof.
i don't fault officers. but when they can't be certain of who they clocked.............
i'll bring it up to a sergeant friend of mine on monday.......
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Yep, 28mph over is definitely a "Losing your License" event. Or the point accrued from Speeding, Reckless Driving will put him in "High Risk Insurance".
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friggin cops, very few I have met were quite awesome, most sad to say, got picked on too much in grade school and want revenge and are power hungry dirtbags, and trust me I have dealt with more cops then most 10 people.
you cant and wont win, even if you are "right" does not matter, YOU are the one who got popped they will not care about anything you have to say.
I will say once about 15 years ago, I went through Texas, coming into Fort Worth, I was clocked at 101 in my 73 Dodge Challenger and he let me go with no Ticket, and more recently I have been treated very well by the cops in the town I live in now, it is confusing to me, who grew up hating cops, I was driving an unregistered car and he let me drive away.
so my first instinct is to just pay, but hey you never know, Cap has it right if you want to try and fight it.
INK
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Do Cap1's Lawyer imitation and the Judge will probably beat on you like your a rented mule. Cap beat a registration ticket and now he's F. Lee Bailey. :huh
But writing some speeding tickets makes you Judge Dredd?
Tell the truth and he may show you mercy. Get caught up in Lies and the fine will be heavy.
How does this work? Either someone is charged with perjury, or not. The judge can't just up the fine because he thinks you might be pulling his leg.
You have nothing to lose by fighting it, just be respectful and concise. Have a game plan layed out ahead of time and let it fly. Judges are busy, and deal with bullcrap by the truckload, if you can show that you aren't just some moron wasting the judges time and trying to save your own bellybutton you have a decent chance.
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friggin cops, very few I have met were quite awesome, most sad to say, got picked on too much in grade school and want revenge and are power hungry dirtbags, and trust me I have dealt with more cops then most 10 people.
you cant and wont win, even if you are "right" does not matter, YOU are the one who got popped they will not care about anything you have to say.
I will say once about 15 years ago, I went through Texas, coming into Fort Worth, I was clocked at 101 in my 73 Dodge Challenger and he let me go with no Ticket, and more recently I have been treated very well by the cops in the town I live in now, it is confusing to me, who grew up hating cops, I was driving an unregistered car and he let me drive away.
so my first instinct is to just pay, but hey you never know, Cap has it right if you want to try and fight it.
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he let ya off with just a ticket, 'cause he felt sorry for ya in a dodge....and was probably in shock that ya got it to go that fast. :neener:
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But writing some speeding tickets makes you Judge Dredd?
How does this work? Either someone is charged with perjury, or not. The judge can't just up the fine because he thinks you might be pulling his leg.
You have nothing to lose by fighting it, just be respectful and concise. Have a game plan layed out ahead of time and let it fly. Judges are busy, and deal with bullcrap by the truckload, if you can show that you aren't just some moron wasting the judges time and trying to save your own bellybutton you have a decent chance.
which is what i was trying to convey...it just took me a whole lot more typing.
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his radar saw the closest vehicle to him.
what you have against you:
you're young
you were in the left lane
you probably admitted to speeding when he had you stopped...and it's recorded.
what you have for you:
the officer cannot verify it was you, as long as you can prove there were cars passing you.
there were 3 other possible targets there. to the best of my knowledge, only laser can single out a target.
now....the only reasons you got stopped, are because you were in the left lane, and because you were the slowest out of the group..thus easier to catch.
fight it. do not admit to any speed more than 5mph over. a car like yours generally had between 3 and 8mph error.(my dakota reads 6mph hi, my taurus reads 8mph hi).
when you go to court, dress professionally(don't use your CAP uniform), and present yourself calmly, and professionally. DO NOT attack the officer. approach it as "sir, i know that the officer has his job to do, and i was pretty sure that my car wasn't capable of the speed i was written for, so i took it to a shop to have my speedometer checked. i also used my gps(if you have an aviation one, be sure he knows it) to verify my speedometer myself at(insert some speeds here). it was reading in error by(insert the amount here).
now, seeing as there were 3 cars passing me, i truly thought i was either on or slightly below the speed limit.
or something on that order. it's all in the approach you take. you have to be polite(which i already imagine you are) and concise. you kind of want to make the officer put himself on the defensive, which will happen if the three passing cars are brought up.
now, please, don't mis-intrepert anything i'm saying.......but i've seen what games nj police play. i would imagine others do the same.
i watched a 3 bike race on rt38. in mount laurel. i told my girlfriend that that dude right there(i saw the pd cruiser 2 cars behind me)...i pointed at the loser of the race.......i told her he was gonna be the one to be stopped. she said no way, because the other 2 were much faster. the officer pulled over the slow guy. he was the easy target.
anyway, keep us informed......and i truly hope you make out ok.
one final thing........if you havent already, talk about this to your parents. explain it to em. they'll find out somehow........
almost forgot.....make sure your friend that was with you can come to court with you. if you know any police officers, or you know anyone in cap that does, ask them for advice too.
i just read further down....if it was laser, he can pick any car out of a pack...........
for future reference, keep your CAP ID card with your DL.
last time i got stopped, it was for expired tags. here in nj, there is never any argument for that...they call a tow truck, and impound your car.
my CAP ID "accidently" fell out as i was pulling my DL out. the officer asked me if i was airforce, as he could only see the seal. i handed him the card, and a 5 minute lesson(to him)ensued on what/who CAP is, and our capabilities. he then told me to go home, and if he ran my tag tomorrow, and it wasn't renewed, my car was gonna be towed.
My CAP ID is always in the car, and under my pilot's license. I know based on the radar at Hickam AFB that my spedometer is 2-3MPH fast. I made a point of not admitting anything to the officer, and I was clearly confused when he told me what my speed was (I knew my car couldn't do it, and my passenger was shocked too at the number, having been WATCHING the spedometer). And the first thing I did when the cop pulled away was call my parents and tell them exactly what happened.
Yeah... The problem with my speeding ticket is that my dad is an officer for the city I got it in. >.< He heard it over the radio, and came home laughing...
Anyways, my dad says that, 1) You're toast. 2) The steering column shaking, he says, "Be lucky you didn't get caught driving with defective equipment and get a reckless driving ticket on top of it. Don't tell the judge about the steering column, they'll slam you even more. Pay the ticket, cut your losses. "
The problem with just paying it, is that I was speeding doing 65. Thats a fine. He says I was doing 83. Thats a $700+ fine, plus community service, plus possibly a lost license.
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Hire a lawyer.
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This has happened to me. Simply put, he "got the wrong car". I was in my old 2002 Explorer picking up some paintballs. Speed limit is 45, I set the cruise for 47. I'm in the middle of three lanes. Two cars haul arse on my 6 and each goes to the right and left and speed up. I get "picked". The cop pulls me over and I know what happened and let it play out.
I tell him. "Honestly sir, I had the cruise set according to my speedometer at 47mph. So actually, I'm confused as to why I got pulled over." He says: "Well, I got you on laser doing 57 in a 45 (which I knew he got the wrong guy and is color blind on top of it)." I hand him my lic, ins and regis.
It gets better. Sure enough he wrote a ticket and comes back. "Sir, I wrote you for Impeding the Flow of traffic and it is no points (City of Taylor has a nice $200 fine to get you in the keyster good). Also, did you realize your Insurance is expired?" I say, "sir, look here, it is only 2 months into my current 6 months and is up to date". Here's the funny part.
"I'm sorry sir, both of these citations will be voided. You can go." It cracks me up and I had to show him my insurance was current. All he had to do was let me off with a warning, because we both knew he wanted one of the two that sped around me.
Now Serenity, you and I have had go arounds. Are you embellishing your "lack of speed"? If not, you might have a small window in court if you fight it. If you do, be polite, civil and be stern. Try not to say too many "um's, etc". If the Judge sees you aren't hiding anything, etc. He'll(she'll) probably lessen the fines. I doubt they'll be expunged, but maybe less collateral damage.
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I have had runins before and gone to the traffic safety class to have the points taken off my license and the state trooper running the class told us that the safest way to drive the highways is to speed up 1 mph when you get passed and slow down 1 mph when you pass someone else and eventually you will have yourself at the average pace of the highway and no officer will right you a ticket for being average.
Apparently Georgia doesnt follow that rule.
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This has happened to me. Simply put, he "got the wrong car". I was in my old 2002 Explorer picking up some paintballs. Speed limit is 45, I set the cruise for 47. I'm in the middle of three lanes. Two cars haul arse on my 6 and each goes to the right and left and speed up. I get "picked". The cop pulls me over and I know what happened and let it play out.
I tell him. "Honestly sir, I had the cruise set according to my speedometer at 47mph. So actually, I'm confused as to why I got pulled over." He says: "Well, I got you on laser doing 57 in a 45 (which I knew he got the wrong guy and is color blind on top of it)." I hand him my lic, ins and regis.
It gets better. Sure enough he wrote a ticket and comes back. "Sir, I wrote you for Impeding the Flow of traffic and it is no points (City of Taylor has a nice $200 fine to get you in the keyster good). Also, did you realize your Insurance is expired?" I say, "sir, look here, it is only 2 months into my current 6 months and is up to date". Here's the funny part.
"I'm sorry sir, both of these citations will be voided. You can go." It cracks me up and I had to show him my insurance was current. All he had to do was let me off with a warning, because we both knew he wanted one of the two that sped around me.
Now Serenity, you and I have had go arounds. Are you embellishing your "lack of speed"? If not, you might have a small window in court if you fight it. If you do, be polite, civil and be stern. Try not to say too many "um's, etc". If the Judge sees you aren't hiding anything, etc. He'll(she'll) probably lessen the fines. I doubt they'll be expunged, but maybe less collateral damage.
yea...like i said in my other post...they stop the slow guy. you were the easiest one to get.
i don't mean this to be derogatory towards police....but i've been around long enough to see what they do, and the games they can play....as i'm sure you have too.
in my eyes, he has to fight this one due to the amount written for. if he does it right, is polite, with proof, etc, i truly believe he'll get off the hook all together......or possibly with just court costs.
the draw back, is if it pisses off the officer, he may have an ankle humper for awhile. i had one of lindenwolds finest seemed to pop out of fire hydrants, trying to catch me doing somethign wrong after i got off on one of his tickets. :devil
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I have had runins before and gone to the traffic safety class to have the points taken off my license and the state trooper running the class told us that the safest way to drive the highways is to speed up 1 mph when you get passed and slow down 1 mph when you pass someone else and eventually you will have yourself at the average pace of the highway and no officer will right you a ticket for being average.
Apparently Georgia doesnt follow that rule.
i always see cars pulled over by the georgia state pd...on rt 95.
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Hire a lawyer.
Yup, a traffic lawyer who practices a lot in that court, if as you say this is your first moving violation, and the guy is any good at all he will more than likely get it knocked way down in pre-trial conference with the city attorney.
shamus
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i always see cars pulled over by the georgia state pd...on rt 95.
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Heck, was on I-5 in Salem, when Keizer PD (notorious for their stickler-ness when it comes to traffic laws) was tailgating the vehicle in front of me, badly. Was wondering what they were doing until the car sped up to 61 (speed limit is 60), and the overhead lights were on... Keizer PD doesn't have jurisdiction on I-5 unless hunting for an individual vehicle. Only the city it's in, county, and state have jurisdiction on the interstates 'round here... Emailed the chief of police with the time/date/location of the incident, I was promptly told that he, "has no records of this stop ever occurring."
...I'll get it on video next time. ;)
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Anyways, if you TRUELY don't believe your vehicle could get up to that speed, you could bring it to court and hope to get off of the defective equipment as no roads in the U.S. are marked that high. :/ I suggest consulting a lawyer...
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Go to court, it never hurts to fight a ticket. Be prepared. I've won more than I lost.
http://www.blurofinsanity.com/Speeding.html (http://www.blurofinsanity.com/Speeding.html)
You might want to try something like this...
http://www.trafficticketsecrets.com/beat-speeding-ticket.html (http://www.trafficticketsecrets.com/beat-speeding-ticket.html)
My regards,
Widewing
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he let ya off with just a ticket, 'cause he felt sorry for ya in a dodge....and was probably in shock that ya got it to go that fast. :neener:
lol you miss read my post... he did NOT give me a ticket...my guess was because my car was so cool :D
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Here where i live in wisconsin you can make a appointment to see the DA, don't know if this helps.
Last time I had a ticket I made a appointment, talked to the JR. DA and the ticket was dropped.
Also I was pulled over several years ago and in the same type of situation. Left a stop light and was keeping up with the other car or almost. The other car was faster than me and pulling away from me slowly, police car came from other side made u turn turned on lights pulled me over.
Told me I was 13 over and I explained honestly I wasn't watching but keeping up with the other car. His reply was, " The other car looked to be faster than you and might have radared him, your both going to fast and its not fair for me to write you a ticket and not the other car." He gave me a verbal warning.
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friggin cops, very few I have met were quite awesome, most sad to say, got picked on too much in grade school and want revenge and are power hungry dirtbags, and trust me I have dealt with more cops then most 10 people.
you cant and wont win, even if you are "right" does not matter, YOU are the one who got popped they will not care about anything you have to say.
I will say once about 15 years ago, I went through Texas, coming into Fort Worth, I was clocked at 101 in my 73 Dodge Challenger and he let me go with no Ticket, and more recently I have been treated very well by the cops in the town I live in now, it is confusing to me, who grew up hating cops, I was driving an unregistered car and he let me drive away.
so my first instinct is to just pay, but hey you never know, Cap has it right if you want to try and fight it.
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Ink, you sound like a screwball. Trust me, I have dealt with more screwballs then most 10 people.
So thats the yardstick with characters like you eh? The "good ones" give you breaks for your infantile driving "which BTW puts the entire community at risk", and the "dirtbags who were picked on as children" are the ones who penalize you for your stupid, immature, illegal driving by giving you a ticket? That about sum it up?
Perhaps you should go in for a brain scan Inky.
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Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God ?
You guys just dont get it do you? You insist the dirtbag cops adhere to this but here you all sit trying to scheme, wheedle, and slither, around it. Just because another car was also speeding doesnt mean it was OK for you to do it. The reason we stop the slow guy is because we can only stop one car at a time and the slower guy is probably closest to the squad.
Cap Im glad I dont live or work in Lindenwolds, where-ever the heck that is. Here we give citizenship awards to people who actually have a D.L. . If they have insurance too they might get a street named after them. Im talking entire communities who feel its their right to never have to get a D.L., insurance, or pay their fines. And why should they? If its traffic only they can add to their I-Bond collection, "we dont house for traffic anymore", and the stupid tax-payer will keep paying their freight.
To get "followed around" here you have to be doing stickups with a gun ,and, selling rock by the oz. Even then you have to take a ticket at the counter. :lol
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Ink, you sound like a screwball. Trust me, I have dealt with more screwballs then most 10 people.
So thats the yardstick with characters like you eh? The "good ones" give you breaks for your infantile driving "which BTW puts the entire community at risk", and the "dirtbags who were picked on as children" are the ones who penalize you for your stupid, immature, illegal driving by giving you a ticket? That about sum it up?
Perhaps you should go in for a brain scan Inky.
Do you know INK well enough to make this assumption?
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You guys just dont get it do you? You insist the dirtbag cops adhere to this but here you all sit trying to scheme, wheedle, and slither, around it. Just because another car was also speeding doesnt mean it was OK for you to do it. The reason we stop the slow guy is because we can only stop one car at a time and the slower guy is probably closest to the squad.
protect and serve the government.
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You guys just dont get it do you? You insist the dirtbag cops adhere to this but here you all sit trying to scheme, wheedle, and slither, around it. Just because another car was also speeding doesnt mean it was OK for you to do it. The reason we stop the slow guy is because we can only stop one car at a time and the slower guy is probably closest to the squad.
Cap Im glad I dont live or work in Lindenwolds, where-ever the heck that is. Here we give citizenship awards to people who actually have a D.L. . If they have insurance too they might get a street named after them. Im talking entire communities who feel its their right to never have to get a D.L., insurance, or pay their fines. And why should they? If its traffic only they can add to their I-Bond collection, "we dont house for traffic anymore", and the stupid tax-payer will keep paying their freight.
To get "followed around" here you have to be doing stickups with a gun ,and, selling rock by the oz. Even then you have to take a ticket at the counter. :lol
lets put it this way. there's a road here. the speed limit sign is as follows:
speed limit 25
8:30AM to 5:30PM
outside of those hours, the speed limit is 35.
the officer wrote me up for 38mph in a 25mph zone. at that time, i had my 400hp mustang gt. i was driving with the flow of traffic, and a little farther behind the car in front of me than normal.
i got stopped. more than likely because i stuck out like a sore thumb.
anyway, i plead not guilty, and took a pic. of the sign. went to court, was disgustingly polite(i was younger, and it was hard as hell back then). i showed the picture to the judge, and he looked at the ticket. it was written, with the time marked as 8:39AM.
i explained to the judge that i was stopped at 8:15.
he asked the officer, who said it may have been earlier than 8:30 when he stopped me.
the judge threw it out.
that dude spent months tryin to catch me doing something wrong.
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You guys just dont get it do you? You insist the dirtbag cops adhere to this but here you all sit trying to scheme, wheedle, and slither, around it. Just because another car was also speeding doesnt mean it was OK for you to do it. The reason we stop the slow guy is because we can only stop one car at a time and the slower guy is probably closest to the squad.
So, in other words, you would go for the easy one rather than the more dangerous one? You couldn't note the plate number of the slower one and then chase down the faster one? Let's face it, if you blow by the slower of the two chasing the faster, don't you think the slower one will immediately slow down when he sees your lights? Doesn't that actually accomplish the purpose?
I have several cops in the immediate family, including a brother.
In 40 years of driving, I've only had run-ins with three cops that I found to be objectionable. I haven't gotten a ticket since 1986. Two years ago, I observed a cop in the county aviation unit using his lights to clear traffic so he could get to work on time. He did this every time I saw him, which was at least four days a week. Sooner or later, someone was going to panic and there was going to be an accident. After a big snow, I was driving my SUV to work one morning, and I see the crown vic running up my ass. The road was plowed, but the shoulder was not cleared. On go the lights.. No where to pull over to, so I continue. With too much traffic to safely pass me, he was stuck. We travel about 1/2 mile to where I finally get to a cross street and turn. He follows me, so I pull over, into the parking lot of a aviation supply company. He gets out and proceeds to yell at me for not yielding to an emergency vehicle.
My patience is gone... I ask him, "Where was I supposed to pull over to? If you have an emergency, why are you standing here yelling at me?"
He turns beet red. "License, registration and insurance card... Now!"
I continue. "You have no emergency, that's bullshirt. I see you using the lights to shove people out of the way every day. That, as I'm sure you know, is a department policy violation."
He glares at me as I hand him the documents. I hand him one more item. My PBA card. Yep, my brother is a County Deputy, and a Sergeant to boot. He does much of the news media interaction for the department. The cop's eyes open wide... He recognizes the issuing officer's name. Uh-oh, this isn't good.
"I think that it's time to discuss with your supervisor how you are misusing a department unit . So please, make my day. Write me a ticket."
He handed me my documents got into his car and left. I called my brother and described the incident. He made a personal visit to the aviation unit supervisor. My brother will only say that he took care of the problem.
How's this for irony? Christmas day, my brother tells us that he has been offered a transfer to the aviation unit. They are purchasing a fixed wing aircraft for patrolling the interstate, and my brother is the most experienced fixed wing private pilot in the department (single engine, multi-engine and instrument ratings). He's thrilled. His wife is happy for him, as this was his dream.
My regards,
Widewing
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Do you know INK well enough to make this assumption?
i think rich(i don't mean this as a personal attack) is one of those jaded police officers.
notice, that he faults each and every one of us for trying to help the kid out?
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i think rich(i don't mean this as a personal attack) is one of those jaded police officers.
LMAO.. ya think.
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LMAO.. ya think.
ya.....i tried to put it nicely though.
i've met quite a few.......some by way of mutual friends. some by way of being stopped. some by way of customer relationships.
hell. my sergeant friend quit because of it. he's now a civilian employee in his town. cool guy.
BTW, since there's a couple car nuts in this thread.....he has a 65 buick grand sport with a 455. i feel bad for him though, as he's stubborn with it. he keeps trying to do the engine himself, and has almost constant problems with it.
i even arranged for my machine shop friend to do it for him.
i think to date, his best 1/4 mile time was a 10.99. it's full weight, street legal. <drooly icon here>
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Cops are human. They make mistakes just as everyone. There are good cops and bad cops.... some are just criminals with a badge.
I believe you met a cop that made a mistake. Unfortunately, in many cases, you have little protection from a cops poor judgement.
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Ink, you sound like a screwball. Trust me, I have dealt with more screwballs then most 10 people.
So thats the yardstick with characters like you eh? The "good ones" give you breaks for your infantile driving "which BTW puts the entire community at risk", and the "dirtbags who were picked on as children" are the ones who penalize you for your stupid, immature, illegal driving by giving you a ticket? That about sum it up?
Perhaps you should go in for a brain scan Inky.
Rich, not to personally attack you, but I've had more runins with piss-poor cops than with decent ones. A friend of mine was given a job as a county officer, he resigned a week later because he, "Obviously wasn't power hungry enough for the job." In my younger days, I was severely abused, concussions here and there etc... where DHS got involved, and my sisters and I were promptly removed from the house. All the police departments had put it off as "punishment." Yup, we were told if we wouldn't of pissed him (my moms boyfriend) off, it wouldn't happen. They figured out my grandpa (now dad, adopted by my grandparents instead of going to a foster home, lucky break) was the senior officer for a nearby town, and the sheriff was in their house apologizing for not doing anything because, "He didn't know that our grandpa was a police officer!" Honestly, IMO, there's too much of a "protect fellow officer" mentality. IMO, it shouldn't matter if you're the kids of a police officer or not, but obviously it does. If you want anything to be done, you better be closely related to an officer, otherwise, you're screwed, you won't get any help.
And for our, "infintile driving." Well, you sound like one of the officers I described above...
~Trig
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i think rich(i don't mean this as a personal attack) is one of those jaded police officers.
notice, that he faults each and every one of us for trying to help the kid out?
Im faulting everyone of you, mostly you Cap, for telling the kid to Lie while under oath. Is that simple enough for you?
You and a few others trying to prod this kid into commiting a felony, this Ink clown with his insults? Gee yathink im the one Jaded? :lol Now Im seeing the "I got a ticket from a cop", and, "my brother is a cop" posts. Oh boy.
As if we want to be out there writing them. :( Heres a life lesson 101 from Uncle Rich.
1, You elect Politicians. 2, Politicians spend your money taking care of their friends, who take care of them. 3, Politicians run out of your money and cant raise taxes cause even you wont vote for them if they did. 4, Politicians upp the fines on traffic tickets and then lean on Police Chiefs to get the commanders to lean on the troops to write the tickets which will raise money for the Politicians to give to their friends, who will take care of them. 5, Cops dont want to write the tickets, instead they want to fight crimes. 6, So Chiefs torment the Commanders, who torment the watch commanders, who torment the seargents, to torment the troops, to get them to write the tickets, to raise the money, to give to the Politicians, to take care of their friends, whom will take care of them.
7, Cops are forced to write the tickets, to raise the money, for the Politicians, that you elected, to take care of their friends, who will take care of them. Any questions ?
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7, Cops are forced to write the tickets, to raise the money, for the Politicians, that you elected, to take care of their friends, who will take care of them. Any questions ?
Yup, where did CAP tell him to lie? Nowhere. He told him to be polite. Second, that sounds an awful lot like a loose quota, which, in most states, is illegal. ;)
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Im faulting everyone of you, mostly you Cap, for telling the kid to Lie while under oath. Is that simple enough for you?
You and a few others trying to prod this kid into commiting a felony, this Ink clown with his insults? Gee yathink im the one Jaded? :lol Now Im seeing the "I got a ticket from a cop", and, "my brother is a cop" posts. Oh boy.
As if we want to be out there writing them. :( Heres a life lesson 101 from Uncle Rich.
1, You elect Politicians. 2, Politicians spend your money taking care of their friends, who take care of them. 3, Politicians run out of your money and cant raise taxes cause even you wont vote for them if they did. 4, Politicians upp the fines on traffic tickets and then lean on Police Chiefs to get the commanders to lean on the troops to write the tickets which will raise money for the Politicians to give to their friends, who will take care of them. 5, Cops dont want to write the tickets, instead they want to fight crimes. 6, So Chiefs torment the Commanders, who torment the watch commanders, who torment the seargents, to torment the troops, to get them to write the tickets, to raise the money, to give to the Politicians, to take care of their friends, whom will take care of them.
7, Cops are forced to write the tickets, to raise the money, for the Politicians, that you elected, to take care of their friends, who will take care of them. Any questions ?
i'll give ya the "forced to write" part. i got it from reliable sources, that njspd are being "urged" to write more tickets.
on that one though.....i was cruisin at 75mph on the freeway. see dodge lights climb up my arse. i'm in the process of passing, so i do nothing different, till i finish the pass, then move over.
it was njspd in a dodge ram. soon as he passed me, i pulled back in the left lane, and accelerated to 85. he was still pulling away from me. no lights, obviously no emergency, as he did nothing to rush my getting out of his way.
i think that happened 2x in the last 2 weeks.
oo..and BTW..it's ok for the officer to lie....blatantly?
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Yup, where did CAP tell him to lie? Nowhere. He told him to be polite. Second, that sounds an awful lot like a loose quota, which, in most states, is illegal. ;)
it is truly amazing how far ya get in court, by simply being polite, and precise when you talk to the judge.
i only wish i'd have realized that when i was serenity's age.
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7, Cops are forced to write the tickets, to raise the money, for the Politicians, that you elected, to take care of their friends, who will take care of them. Any questions ?
What does more good for safety?
A. Cop sitting in full view on the side of any road.
B. Cop hiding in a speed trap waiting to catch someone?
People, Dickie boi here has put it aptly. Many police department are now nothing more than revenue generators for state and local gov, pitiful.
Edit: Yet they expect us to treat them like white knights...after telling us they are just revenue collectors. :rofl
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Nothing pisses me off more than a speed trap sitting at the bottom of a hill.
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Gee Trigger, thanks for sharing. :headscratch: Now all 400,000 LEOs in the country suck cause you had lousy parenting. I think you still have some issues kid. Maybe you need a tune up cause all cylinders dont seem to be firing.
Rich, not to personally attack you, but I've had more runins with piss-poor cops than with decent ones. A friend of mine was given a job as a county officer, he resigned a week later because he, "Obviously wasn't power hungry enough for the job." In my younger days, I was severely abused, concussions here and there etc... where DHS got involved, and my sisters and I were promptly removed from the house. All the police departments had put it off as "punishment." Yup, we were told if we wouldn't of pissed him (my moms boyfriend) off, it wouldn't happen. They figured out my grandpa (now dad, adopted by my grandparents instead of going to a foster home, lucky break) was the senior officer for a nearby town, and the sheriff was in their house apologizing for not doing anything because, "He didn't know that our grandpa was a police officer!" Honestly, IMO, there's too much of a "protect fellow officer" mentality. IMO, it shouldn't matter if you're the kids of a police officer or not, but obviously it does. If you want anything to be done, you better be closely related to an officer, otherwise, you're screwed, you won't get any help.
And for our, "infintile driving." Well, you sound like one of the officers I described above...
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Nothing pisses me off more than a speed trap sitting at the bottom of a hill.
Just remember "It's for YOUR safety.". :rofl
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forget how fast you think you were going, and trying to get the offence reduced to a lower level. assuming you didnt admit to anything when you were stopped, this is the way I would approach it.
you are being prosecuted for doing 83mph, you were not doing 83mph, so you should not be convicted. there were other vehicles close to you which were going faster than you, it seems that the officer has mistakenly taken a reading from them, and not you. your vehicle cannot even maintain 83mph going up hill. the onus is on the officer to prove that it was your vehicle he took a reading on, not any of the other vehicles in the vicinity.
any half-decent lawyer should be able to get this thrown out.
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" Cops dont want to write the tickets"
:rofl
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Cops are human. They make mistakes just as everyone. There are good cops and bad cops.... some are just criminals with a badge.
I believe you met a cop that made a mistake. Unfortunately, in many cases, you have little protection from a cops poor judgement.
That's my feeling. I hold no animosity toward the Cop and was very polite when talking to him during the ticket, "Yes sir, no sir, my apologies, sir" (Wasn't trying to be a kiss arse that's just how I deal with authority).
I have two questions left:
1) The equipment: I think we have determined it was Lidar that got me. Now I know a laser can pinpoint the target, but from 753feet, is there a possibility the officer had hit one of the other cars? He showed my the gun to demonstrate that it really WAS clocked at 83, but I noticed there was no aiming device I could see. Could he have accurately picked out a single car in a pack from 753ft especially if it really WAS going 83mph?
2) Now, as I am a minor, I need to be accompanied by my guardian in court. Here is a snag. My date is 26 January 2010. My guardian is a single mother who has been out of work for several months, and starts a new job just a few days prior. She cannot afford to take the day off. Would that be a good enough reason to request the date be changed? If so, is it better to let the court know ASAP and be cooperative? Or wait until the last minute (48 hours notice) and hope it throws the officer off to the point he doesn't show up?
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Gee Trigger, thanks for sharing. :headscratch: Now all 400,000 LEOs in the country suck cause you had lousy parenting. I think you still have some issues kid. Maybe you need a tune up cause all cylinders dont seem to be firing.
I'd put money on you writing reports with this consistency. I've seen some good ones over the years. Most of your types forget you represent the City, County, State and show the intellect of an 8th grader.
There are MANY cops, who should not be cops. But for you to say: "CAP1 wanted Serenity to lie" is hilarious at best. He said no such thing.
If I'm not mistaken, you blew a gasket over the "Bicycle being just fine on roads regardless of there being a sidewalk/bike path present". If so, no further discussion is needed with you. You've shown this BBS throughout your stay here, that you're nothing more than a laughing stock.
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That's my feeling. I hold no animosity toward the Cop and was very polite when talking to him during the ticket, "Yes sir, no sir, my apologies, sir" (Wasn't trying to be a kiss arse that's just how I deal with authority).
I have two questions left:
1) The equipment: I think we have determined it was Lidar that got me. Now I know a laser can pinpoint the target, but from 753feet, is there a possibility the officer had hit one of the other cars? He showed my the gun to demonstrate that it really WAS clocked at 83, but I noticed there was no aiming device I could see. Could he have accurately picked out a single car in a pack from 753ft especially if it really WAS going 83mph?
2) Now, as I am a minor, I need to be accompanied by my guardian in court. Here is a snag. My date is 26 January 2010. My guardian is a single mother who has been out of work for several months, and starts a new job just a few days prior. She cannot afford to take the day off. Would that be a good enough reason to request the date be changed? If so, is it better to let the court know ASAP and be cooperative? Or wait until the last minute (48 hours notice) and hope it throws the officer off to the point he doesn't show up?
Given the severity of the offense, he'll show up regardless. Just call tomorrow. If this was a lesser offense, you MIGHT luck out on that.
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Given the severity of the offense, he'll show up regardless. Just call tomorrow. If this was a lesser offense, you MIGHT luck out on that.
That's what I was thinking. Thank you!
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That's my feeling. I hold no animosity toward the Cop and was very polite when talking to him during the ticket, "Yes sir, no sir, my apologies, sir" (Wasn't trying to be a kiss arse that's just how I deal with authority).
I have two questions left:
1) The equipment: I think we have determined it was Lidar that got me. Now I know a laser can pinpoint the target, but from 753feet, is there a possibility the officer had hit one of the other cars? He showed my the gun to demonstrate that it really WAS clocked at 83, but I noticed there was no aiming device I could see. Could he have accurately picked out a single car in a pack from 753ft especially if it really WAS going 83mph?
2) Now, as I am a minor, I need to be accompanied by my guardian in court. Here is a snag. My date is 26 January 2010. My guardian is a single mother who has been out of work for several months, and starts a new job just a few days prior. She cannot afford to take the day off. Would that be a good enough reason to request the date be changed? If so, is it better to let the court know ASAP and be cooperative? Or wait until the last minute (48 hours notice) and hope it throws the officer off to the point he doesn't show up?
Seriously doubt you'll beat the ticket. However IF you decide to "give it a go"..take RT's advice. Advise the court of your situation..I'm sure they'll work w/you.
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Don't get this thread locked before we find out what happens! lol
Cops are people, some people are nice, some people are not. People have good days, people have bad days.
I wonder how many people who have problems with police gave attitude to the officer right from the start? I've got a ton of respect for what police officers have to deal with. On the other hand I have no doubt some of those officers transfer some of that bottled up aggression towards some guy who tries to tell a little lie to get out of a ticket. That might be the first police officer that guy talks to in months but it's one of a dozen the officer has dealt with that day.
Polite and courteous, how hard is that to do, not just to LEOs but everyone? Do that (but still know your rights) and you'll do pretty well. Life isn't fair so sometimes you just gotta suck it up and move on.
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Don't get this thread locked before we find out what happens! lol
Cops are people, some people are nice, some people are not. People have good days, people have bad days.
I wonder how many people who have problems with police gave attitude to the officer right from the start? I've got a ton of respect for what police officers have to deal with. On the other hand I have no doubt some of those officers transfer some of that bottled up aggression towards some guy who tries to tell a little lie to get out of a ticket. That might be the first police officer that guy talks to in months but it's one of a dozen the officer has dealt with that day.
Polite and courteous, how hard is that to do, not just to LEOs but everyone? Do that (but still know your rights) and you'll do pretty well. Life isn't fair so sometimes you just gotta suck it up and move on.
LEO's have a job that does NOT allow the usage of what is in bold.
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LEO's have a job that does NOT allow the usage of what is in bold.
Well just like almost every other job, you have to work when you're having a bad day. You work around it, handle it however you can. But we're all human, you'll have a shorter patience on those days.
I'm not saying a citizen should suffer because of it, but you probably won't if you're courteous. It's really a no win situation, there are definitely some bad cops out there but there are plenty of good ones doing good things.
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Ink, you sound like a screwball. Trust me, I have dealt with more screwballs then most 10 people.
So thats the yardstick with characters like you eh? The "good ones" give you breaks for your infantile driving "which BTW puts the entire community at risk", and the "dirtbags who were picked on as children" are the ones who penalize you for your stupid, immature, illegal driving by giving you a ticket? That about sum it up?
Perhaps you should go in for a brain scan Inky.
thats funny, you are a cop right, I believe I remember that from somewhere reading in here... ya you would not like me in person , because I would tell you just like it is, cop or not, one thing you "cops" forget is you are SERVANTS, but you think you have power over the "civs" LOL well this is one "civ" that is not intimated by you or your badge, or your guns...you guys(cops) think you are above the rest of the "civs" above the law, and that straight up pisses me off, the biggest criminals in this country wear suits and ties, and BADGES.
Prisons are FULL of people who use drugs, who the F... are you people to tell someone what they can do with there own body?????
last time I checked we are supposed to live in a free country :rolleyes: you work for this "system" and enforce it's "laws" so that tells me you agree with them, LOL you say it's a "privilege" to drive on "OUR" roads SORRY it is NOT a privilege, it is MY right, I own these friggen roads, me and every other American OWN these roads, YOU my friend are our SERVANTS...To protect and SERVE.
you don't "protect" anyone but your OWN interests and "serve" your own desires.
I have met a very few cops who truly understand there job, and truly want to help people,these are the ones I respect, most just love the fact that they can carry a gun and dictate people lives, sounds like to me you fall into this category, but I am not surprised by this at all, for POWER corrupts.
and as far as being a "screwball" I'm sure to you I am, and I wear that Proudly, "...characters like you..." :lol you have no clue as to my character, I live by a very few "rules"
Honor...Integrity...Honesty.. .
the things I HATE
Thieves...A Lying Tongue(one who loves to lie) and People who try to dictate someone else's life!!
two more thoughts that I live by
No Harm no foul...I will not go to war until war comes to me.
NO MAN has the right to judge another man, 99.99% of this countries "laws" are JUDGMENTAL laws, and should all be stricken down,
I end with this
"When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government..."
Paul "INK" Fields
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2) Now, as I am a minor, I need to be accompanied by my guardian in court. Here is a snag. My date is 26 January 2010. My guardian is a single mother who has been out of work for several months, and starts a new job just a few days prior. She cannot afford to take the day off. Would that be a good enough reason to request the date be changed? If so, is it better to let the court know ASAP and be cooperative? Or wait until the last minute (48 hours notice) and hope it throws the officer off to the point he doesn't show up?
Have your mother write to the court requesting a postponement and explaining why. There should be no problem getting one postponement.
There can be a side benefit, although it's very rare. I know of one case where the officer who wrote a ticket retired before the case came before a judge.. Ticket was dismissed.
A standard tactic is to drag out the process as long as possible. The cop could misplace his notes, and at the very least, the event will not be fresh in his memory.
In the meanwhile, see if you can get a mechanic to sign a notarized statement that your car could not possibly attain 83 mph, especially going up hill.
My regards,
Widewing
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So ink, how long has Homeland Security been tracking you? lol
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Well just like almost every other job, you have to work when you're having a bad day. You work around it, handle it however you can. But we're all human, you'll have a shorter patience on those days.
I'm not saying a citizen should suffer because of it, but you probably won't if you're courteous. It's really a no win situation, there are definitely some bad cops out there but there are plenty of good ones doing good things.
Again, no one has said they "hate cops". The "inferences" made always crack me up.
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Again, no one has said they "hate cops". The "inferences" made always crack me up.
Wow, I don't remember ever saying that everyone here "hated cops," actually I don't think I got anywhere near that.
The "inferences" made always crack me up.
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So ink, how long has Homeland Security been tracking you? lol
hey just because I am paranoid don't mean they aint following me :D
I just tell it like it is, don't care about being "politically correct" :rolleyes:
and I don't Hate cops either, just think they are not needed, every one should police themselves!! I have NEVER called the cops and NEVER will, I am my own Police.
I also feel, if we are gonna have "cops" they should not be able to carry "LIVE" ammo, there are many ways to take care of a situation were someone needs to be "controlled" they should not be allowed to kill Americans!
INK
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Can't hurt to fight it. Go to court, tell your story, say you want to see the film from the dash cam.
Be sure to also tell the judge about your encounter with the two Pineapples that stole your back pack. I'm sure that will illicite some sympathy from the judge.
ack-ack
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i think rich(i don't mean this as a personal attack) is one of those jaded police officers.
notice, that he faults each and every one of us for trying to help the kid out?
Rich reminds of the cop that won Police Officer of the Year for Coronado. The cop got the top spot because he actually issued a couple of tickets to his mother and then the next time he pulled her over, had her car impounded because of unpaid tickets. That's the kind of cop Richie Boy is.
ack-ack
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Be sure to also tell the judge about your encounter with the two Pineapples that stole your back pack. I'm sure that will illicite some sympathy from the judge.
ack-ack
back pack thieves are low priority cop work, too much work and too little bounty.
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hey just because I am paranoid don't mean they aint following me :D
I just tell it like it is, don't care about being "politically correct" :rolleyes:
and I don't Hate cops either, just think they are not needed, every one should police themselves!! I have NEVER called the cops and NEVER will, I am my own Police.
I also feel, if we are gonna have "cops" they should not be able to carry "LIVE" ammo, there are many ways to take care of a situation were someone needs to be "controlled" they should not be allowed to kill Americans!
INK
Well I can't say I agree with everything you say but :aok for being such a strait-shooter. To each his own. I've got no problem with you.
Oh, and I didn't say you people hate cops! :furious lol
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Nothing pisses me off more than a speed trap sitting at the bottom of a hill.
There is a really cheesy one in Chula Vista, heading out towards Old 94 Highway. Part of the highway is 55mph as you go back behind Otay Resevoir into the back country and then there is a last hair pin turn before you turn on Old 94 Highway. Right at the end of the turn, the speed limit is posted 35mph and there is always a SD County Deputy Sheriff car parked right at the end of the turn. During rush hour times, there are 2-3 deputy sheriffs with a line of cars pulled over for breaking the posted speed limit.
ack-ack
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The last high-speed ticket I got was several years ago when I lived in Raleigh, NC. I had just got off work at 1am and had 1.5 hrs to drive home and be back at work at 9am. I hit the beltway and without noticing I jumped the limit. As I passed the cruiser and I saw the lights come on I looked down and saw 71. the speed limit was 55. I pulled over and waited for the officer to catch up. He ran through the routine questions. When he asked if I knew how fast I was going I said " Actually yes, after I saw your lights come on. I just got off work and live X and have to be back at work in the morning". I got my court date and showed up at traffic court. I had never been in a "big" city court room before. The asst. DA was standing at a podium right by the gate to the front of the courtroom. She would call a name, talk to the person, and then send them up to speak with the judge. I listened to several folks argue with the judge about the ticket. Of the 20 or so before me 1 argued his way out of the ticket. When my name was called the asst DA asked me if I planned to fight the charge. I told her no I was speeding I have to grounds to fight. She then lowered the charge to 59 in a 55. My fine went from almost 500 bucks to 110 just by not being a jerk and admitting I was at fault.
You are going to pay a fine period. Show that you aren't just a punk teenager and they will probably show mercy. You will get nailed with court costs no matter what. My ticket was 5 dollars plus 105 court cost. Now I live in a small town and my cousin is the sheriff and my brother is a dispatcher so I can get tickets dismissed now. Above all BE RESPECTFUL because that goes farther than anything else.
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double post.
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Never really had much contact with police however the little I have had was negative. Generally I'm not really doing anything wrong and they just waste my time. IMO there needs to be a severe readjustment in the attitude of Police Officers and the manner in which they interact with the public they are supposed to be serving.
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" Now I live in a small town and my cousin is the sheriff and my brother is a dispatcher so I can get tickets dismissed now." you are disrespecting the law and should be in jail along with the person that dismissed the tickets. It is criminals like you that make life hard for people like us.
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Probation before judgment. You live on an island not like you were going anywhere Serenity lmao. :devil
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Probation before judgment. You live on an island not like you were going anywhere Serenity lmao. :devil
If he does try, this dude is gonna be hunting that haole ass.
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ack-ack
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I have had encounters with police all over the world. In the UAE where nost people get into trouble I got in and out of trouble by just being polite. In Mexico where most people get into trouble because of the "I am an American YOU cant touch me" attitude, I have lived and worked there and never gotten into trouble, Be polite. They are just like you and me. I am a heavy equipment operator, I can be a mean person, if someone is rude I have all the dirt in the area, and the machines to move it. The police have the same power, but they can take your time, and money. If you are polite, you will never have a problem. Would you be rude to a Waiter, or a Nurse? Police just have a job to do, and it is a dangerous job, Some Cops get shot at more than I do and that is a feat.
AKAK he is safe from the Dog if he goes to Mexico, The Dogg is PNGed there.
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" Now I live in a small town and my cousin is the sheriff and my brother is a dispatcher so I can get tickets dismissed now." you are disrespecting the law and should be in jail along with the person that dismissed the tickets. It is criminals like you that make life hard for people like us.
cute and moronic
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Im faulting everyone of you, mostly you Cap, for telling the kid to Lie while under oath. Is that simple enough for you?
You and a few others trying to prod this kid into commiting a felony, this Ink clown with his insults? Gee yathink im the one Jaded...
Ink clown with his insults???
:rofl :rofl
where exactly did I insult you ??? please show me the error of my ways :pray funny I stated the truth and you call it insults :rofl
I have a feeling you are the one with serious issues and should have your "badge" removed.
I would bet money you are totally OK with what happened at Waco...and Ruby ridge.
yup you and I definitely would not like each other in person(not that we do here), thing is I would tell you to your face and deal with you on my own, You on the other hand would call all your "LEO's" for back-up and think you are the "man".
cant fix stupid
there that's an insult.
Paul "INK" Fields
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lol you miss read my post... he did NOT give me a ticket...my guess was because my car was so cool :D
oopsie.......mis read.
he didn't ticket ya, because he knew there was no way one of them would go that fast..... :noid :neener:
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Ink, you sound like a screwball. Trust me, I have dealt with more screwballs then most 10 people.
So thats the yardstick with characters like you eh? The "good ones" give you breaks for your infantile driving "which BTW puts the entire community at risk", and the "dirtbags who were picked on as children" are the ones who penalize you for your stupid, immature, illegal driving by giving you a ticket? That about sum it up?
Perhaps you should go in for a brain scan Inky.
my yardstick is pretty simple. long as you're honest....and you treat me and mine well, you get the same back from me.
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That's my feeling. I hold no animosity toward the Cop and was very polite when talking to him during the ticket, "Yes sir, no sir, my apologies, sir" (Wasn't trying to be a kiss arse that's just how I deal with authority).
I have two questions left:
1) The equipment: I think we have determined it was Lidar that got me. Now I know a laser can pinpoint the target, but from 753feet, is there a possibility the officer had hit one of the other cars? He showed my the gun to demonstrate that it really WAS clocked at 83, but I noticed there was no aiming device I could see. Could he have accurately picked out a single car in a pack from 753ft especially if it really WAS going 83mph?
2) Now, as I am a minor, I need to be accompanied by my guardian in court. Here is a snag. My date is 26 January 2010. My guardian is a single mother who has been out of work for several months, and starts a new job just a few days prior. She cannot afford to take the day off. Would that be a good enough reason to request the date be changed? If so, is it better to let the court know ASAP and be cooperative? Or wait until the last minute (48 hours notice) and hope it throws the officer off to the point he doesn't show up?
bear in mind.......he showed you the reading. did that also show that it was your car?
police use that ploy a lot. they hope that the guy will then give up right then and there, and simply pay their fine.
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Don't get this thread locked before we find out what happens! lol
Cops are people, some people are nice, some people are not. People have good days, people have bad days.
I wonder how many people who have problems with police gave attitude to the officer right from the start? I've got a ton of respect for what police officers have to deal with. On the other hand I have no doubt some of those officers transfer some of that bottled up aggression towards some guy who tries to tell a little lie to get out of a ticket. That might be the first police officer that guy talks to in months but it's one of a dozen the officer has dealt with that day.
Polite and courteous, how hard is that to do, not just to LEOs but everyone? Do that (but still know your rights) and you'll do pretty well. Life isn't fair so sometimes you just gotta suck it up and move on.
i deal with customers all day long. sometimes i'm in a piss-poor mood. sometimes i'm not. the hardest thing, though is having a customer that you hate dealing with, come in when you're in that piss poor mood.
yet, no one everEVER knows i'm in that piss poor mood. well......besides me.
if i can do it, then most other people can.
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There is a really cheesy one in Chula Vista, heading out towards Old 94 Highway. Part of the highway is 55mph as you go back behind Otay Resevoir into the back country and then there is a last hair pin turn before you turn on Old 94 Highway. Right at the end of the turn, the speed limit is posted 35mph and there is always a SD County Deputy Sheriff car parked right at the end of the turn. During rush hour times, there are 2-3 deputy sheriffs with a line of cars pulled over for breaking the posted speed limit.
ack-ack
i can list a half dozen of em in a 10 mile stretch on rt 295, going from lawnside to columbus nj.
when i come home from philly, i come across the walt whitman bridge, take rt 676 to rt 295, and get off on rt 30. i drive 6 miles on rt 30. if it's after 11pm, there's guaranteed to be no less than a dozen police parked where they think no one notices them. there's usually more.
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i deal with customers all day long. sometimes i'm in a piss-poor mood. sometimes i'm not. the hardest thing, though is having a customer that you hate dealing with, come in when you're in that piss poor mood.
yet, no one everEVER knows i'm in that piss poor mood. well......besides me.
if i can do it, then most other people can.
business is business, don't let your personal feelings interfere with the profit.
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oopsie.......mis read.
he didn't ticket ya, because he knew there was no way one of them would go that fast..... :noid :neener:
:rofl you bastage :rofl
my yardstick is pretty simple. long as you're honest....and you treat me and mine well, you get the same back from me.
very good way of thinking :aok wish more had that same attitude.
there are a few guys/gals in AH, I would like to meet in person, you are one of them :salute
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business is business, don't let your personal feelings interfere with the profit.
yes.....but i am also a public servant in my own way. i am part of the infrastructure that keeps people on the road. i refuse to let a customer see me in a bad mood.
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:rofl you bastage :rofl
very good way of thinking :aok wish more had that same attitude.
there are a few guys/gals in AH, I would like to meet in person, you are one of them :salute
:rofl :rofl
ya....there are some here i'd like to meet.
what would be interesting, would to possibly do a northeast region meet up or something. it seems there's a lot of people in game up this way.
and yes, even though you're a mopar guy, meeting ya would be cool.... :aok :aok
oo...crap.......i drive a dodge!!!!! aaaggghh!! :noid
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If it was a laser? (I believe we use the LTI 20-20 Ultralyte).
Lasers are notoriously bad, iirc the beam spread is 1 foot for every 100 feet, so if he got you at 700 feet the beam spread is 7 feet, add in the hand held wobble and you have a situation where it is very easy to get the wrong reading. Check on the maximum recommended handheld range for that model, I think the maximum manufacturer handheld range might be 500m (but it's worth checking).
I got done a few years back, similar to you, there was a guy coming up behind me, trucks every moment or so obscuring the cops view. He said it was me, when I said no it wasn't he claimed there were no other vehicles on the road at the time. At that moment I knew he was lying, and would lie in court. So I paid - twice - once for the fine - and a second time for a Laser jammer (Bel Laser Pro 985) - and it works a treat :)
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Lasers are notoriously bad, iirc the beam spread is 1 foot for every 100 feet, so if he got you at 700 feet the beam spread is 7 feet, add in the hand held wobble and you have a situation where it is very easy to get the wrong reading. Check on the maximum recommended handheld range for that model, I think the maximum manufacturer handheld range might be 500m (but it's worth checking).
I got done a few years back, similar to you, there was a guy coming up behind me, trucks every moment or so obscuring the cops view. He said it was me, when I said no it wasn't he claimed there were no other vehicles on the road at the time. At that moment I knew he was lying, and would lie in court. So I paid - twice - once for the fine - and a second time for a Laser jammer (Bel Laser Pro 985) - and it works a treat :)
ooo dude........officer rich will be along to getcha.
on another note....here's a link to a site about this unit.
http://www.quattro123.com/LTI.htm
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bear in mind.......he showed you the reading. did that also show that it was your car?
police use that ploy a lot. they hope that the guy will then give up right then and there, and simply pay their fine.
No. He approached the car, asked for the paperwork, and told me I was doing 83. I responded with something to the effect of "Are you sure?" He showed me the gun and I said "I can't believe that..." he then told me it was considered excessive and that I would have a court date. Walked back to his car while another cop had a smoke. (I think this guy was a trainee...) after about 5 minutes (Or so it seemed) he came back, had me sign on his pad saying it wasn't an admission of guilt, simply acknowledgment I recieved a summons, I said "Yes sir" he told me to be safe and I was on my way.
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ooo dude........officer rich will be along to getcha.
He can try all he likes, I've had it for 7 or 8 years now, and lets just say it's been 'significantly tested' :D
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No. He approached the car, asked for the paperwork, and told me I was doing 83. I responded with something to the effect of "Are you sure?" He showed me the gun and I said "I can't believe that..." he then told me it was considered excessive and that I would have a court date. Walked back to his car while another cop had a smoke. (I think this guy was a trainee...) after about 5 minutes (Or so it seemed) he came back, had me sign on his pad saying it wasn't an admission of guilt, simply acknowledgment I recieved a summons, I said "Yes sir" he told me to be safe and I was on my way.
that was my point. they use that as a "head game" making you think you're screwed.
i don't fault all police......but ones like this ruin the good reputation of all of them.
check this link for some info on the gun you listed.
http://www.quattro123.com/LTI.htm
there's a rather interesting link or 2 within this page also.
i hope you get off on this dude.........and think you will.
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http://www.quattro123.com/LTI.htm
Looking through that site, my passenger and I both recognize the stock support, but neither of us recall having seen the depicted scope on top of it. In addition, the displays pictured are all wrong. It was a single square (The unit was black and the display was yellow with black lettering) in the upper left, IIRC was the number 83. Below that was another number, 3-digits, probably the range though I did not take note. Nothing else was displayed.
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He can try all he likes, I've had it for 7 or 8 years now, and lets just say it's been 'significantly tested' :D
i just drive "stealthmobiles" now.
caravan......well......most police simply don't notice em.
geo prism.....i think they pity me and ignore it. :noid
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All you have to say is that you were driving a little over the speed limit in the left lane where you shouldn't have been and two cars screamed passed you in the right lane. The cop must have tagged 83mph and looked for the most likely suspect and thought it was you being in the passing lane. Then explain how much of a pos your car is.
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Looking through that site, my passenger and I both recognize the stock support, but neither of us recall having seen the depicted scope on top of it. In addition, the displays pictured are all wrong. It was a single square (The unit was black and the display was yellow with black lettering) in the upper left, IIRC was the number 83. Below that was another number, 3-digits, probably the range though I did not take note. Nothing else was displayed.
sorry if i seem like i'm harping on this.........
http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/29/2920.asp
i was looking for the manual through google. it's out there. it's in pdf, and i don't have adobe on this machine. google the type of unit you listed. the manual will have the specs for the unit.
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sorry if i seem like i'm harping on this.........
http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/29/2920.asp
That's the same site I got the original idea of which unit they use here. I'm not trying to argue, I just want to make sure any information I use is correct. So, looking at the three beam pattern from a distance (That site displays a shot from 750 feet conveniently enough) the beam still appears accurate enough to peg an individual car, so really my only point of contention can be that his aim was off. Could that be considered likely from 750feet?
Again, I am not trying to get out of a ticket. I was in the wrong and I know it. I am willing to pay whatever fine is necessary. I just don't want to take an extra hit for something I didn't do. If they were charging me for the 65MPH I HAD been doing, we wouldn't be discussing this. 83 however adds a whole new level of suffering.
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That's the same site I got the original idea of which unit they use here. I'm not trying to argue, I just want to make sure any information I use is correct. So, looking at the three beam pattern from a distance (That site displays a shot from 750 feet conveniently enough) the beam still appears accurate enough to peg an individual car, so really my only point of contention can be that his aim was off. Could that be considered likely from 750feet?
Again, I am not trying to get out of a ticket. I was in the wrong and I know it. I am willing to pay whatever fine is necessary. I just don't want to take an extra hit for something I didn't do. If they were charging me for the 65MPH I HAD been doing, we wouldn't be discussing this. 83 however adds a whole new level of suffering.
there was a diagram on that site...it showed how the beam could've hit another car.
personally, i'd be of the belief that he "shot" one of the closer cars to him as they passed you. that's the only part you should be concerning with right now.
you were stopped, and written up for someone else's wrong. period. now, you just need to prove it.
remember, even if you were the target, the beam "spreads" over distance. the farther the distance, the more spread. brings us back to the other vehicle getting shot.
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there was a diagram on that site...it showed how the beam could've hit another car.
personally, i'd be of the belief that he "shot" one of the closer cars to him as they passed you. that's the only part you should be concerning with right now.
you were stopped, and written up for someone else's wrong. period. now, you just need to prove it.
remember, even if you were the target, the beam "spreads" over distance. the farther the distance, the more spread. brings us back to the other vehicle getting shot.
Thanks. Reading through the manual, it only mentions range being in meters, not feet. Could it be that the range was 753meters instead of 753 feet? If so, that is 143meters beyond the maximum range...
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Thanks. Reading through the manual, it only mentions range being in meters, not feet. Could it be that the range was 753meters instead of 753 feet? If so, that is 143meters beyond the maximum range...
quite possibly. i think the conversion is approximatly 3 ft to every meter.
3.3 ' = 1.00584 m
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That's the same site I got the original idea of which unit they use here. I'm not trying to argue, I just want to make sure any information I use is correct. So, looking at the three beam pattern from a distance (That site displays a shot from 750 feet conveniently enough) the beam still appears accurate enough to peg an individual car, so really my only point of contention can be that his aim was off. Could that be considered likely from 750feet?
LIDAR (it's not really laser :) ) has all sorts of oddities, someone did a test in the UK that showed a LIDAR picking up secondary reflections of signs to give false readings. His beam was either offset and he picked someone else up, or he picked up a secondary reflection. This units operate off an IR frequency, it's prone to interference from the sun, halogens, high powered LED's found on modern tail lights even (laser jammers use a head or heads with an array of strong IR frequency LED emitters to blind the guns - not the same as tv remotes though).
If you can get him to admit there were other vehicles present, that the range was handheld, then see how steady his hand is... well :)
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quite possibly. i think the conversion is approximatly 3 ft to every meter.
3.3 ' = 1.00584 m
I'm trying to decide if it really could have been that far... I'm having a hell of a time deciding whether that was a reasonable number... 2300 feet...
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I'm trying to decide if it really could have been that far... I'm having a hell of a time deciding whether that was a reasonable number... 2300 feet...
1320 feet is 1/4 of a mile.
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i always see cars pulled over by the georgia state pd...on rt 95.
That little stretch of 95 must be the Honey Highway for Georgia State Troopers. I have yet to go through it while traveling up the eastern seaboard without going through dozens of speed traps. Last trip through, we counted 35 state troopers and probably two dozen local PDs through that ~100 mile stretch of road.
NEVER SPEED ON 95 IN GEORGIA.
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That little stretch of 95 must be the Honey Highway for Georgia State Troopers. I have yet to go through it while traveling up the eastern seaboard without going through dozens of speed traps. Last trip through, we counted 35 state troopers and probably two dozen local PDs through that ~100 mile stretch of road.
NEVER SPEED ON 95 IN GEORGIA.
See it all the time heading to Florida, and they hit I-85 just as bad when I head down to Atlanta. I know from traveling that road as a kid, that you definitely want to make sure you slow down through SC and GA.
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yes.....but i am also a public servant in my own way. i am part of the infrastructure that keeps people on the road. i refuse to let a customer see me in a bad mood.
Oh Look, now he's a Public servant. To go along with being a radar and court expert. Here we'll pin this on you and really make you one. This way you say it was a "public service" in accounting for about 1/3 the posts here in this silly thread :lol
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That little stretch of 95 must be the Honey Highway for Georgia State Troopers. I have yet to go through it while traveling up the eastern seaboard without going through dozens of speed traps. Last trip through, we counted 35 state troopers and probably two dozen local PDs through that ~100 mile stretch of road.
NEVER SPEED ON 95 IN GEORGIA.
i keep the cruise control set at about 8mph over the limit.
last time i drove down that way, had a guy in a van climbed up my arse. so close he probably got buzzed from my exhaust.
after about 3 miles, he whips out into the left lane, and hammers it. as he goes by, i see the trooper hiding in the trees in the center..right where they always hide. i see his lights go on, and did nothing....as hitting the brakes at that point would've been bad.
he cam screaming up the right lane, right behind me, whips around me, and a mile or so down the road, he's got the van.
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Oh Look, now he's a Public servant. To go along with being a radar and court expert. Here we'll pin this on you and really make you one. This way you say it was a "public service" in accounting for about 1/3 the posts here in this silly thread :lol
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some of us are humble.
and yes, we are. who keeps your cruiser on the road? it sure as heck isn't you.
i am part of the infrastructure that keeps everyone moving. period.
also, i never claimed to be either. i was and am simply telling him to use common sense, and be polite and concise.
i can see where you'd not like that though, because if he does that, he's gonna win, since he's going through this for someone elses fault.
we aren't just sheep, although you guys seem to think we should be.
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Man Cap, you know how many times I have wished there was a LEO around for someone like that?
Never has come true, if you want to speed fine but don't practically clip my rear bumper and cut me off afterward.
Strip
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Man Cap, you know how many times I have wished there was a LEO around for someone like that?
Never has come true, if you want to speed fine but don't practically clip my rear bumper and cut me off afterward.
Strip
yea i know. he had to have realized he was gonna hafta pass me. so why climb up on me like that, slow down, then whip around like that?
on that same note though.....2 weeks ago, had a dodge ram climb up my arse as i was in the left lane passing someone. he slowed, never flashed any lights or anything.
i finished the pass, moved over, and low and behold, there goes one of nj's finest blowing by. i guess he has special "hi speed tailgating" training.
i pulled out behind him, and at 85mph he was still pullin away. couldn't have been on a call, as he'd have flashed me to get the hell outta the way then.....
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That little stretch of 95 must be the Honey Highway for Georgia State Troopers. I have yet to go through it while traveling up the eastern seaboard without going through dozens of speed traps. Last trip through, we counted 35 state troopers and probably two dozen local PDs through that ~100 mile stretch of road.
NEVER SPEED ON 95 IN GEORGIA.
many years ago when I was a crazy sum-bith, (before the kids) I took of from Derry, NH on my way to Florida in my Challenger,me and my wife (girlfriend at the time) got into a fight, so I put the peddle to the floor, I made it to Darren, Georgia in a little under 17 hours, I was averaging 125 MPH , topped it out at 150, outside of Darren I heard a VERY load Bang, I thought I put a piston through the block, I mean cmon doing over a 120 for 17 hours it musta been a piston, nope my rear tread on driver side came off the tire, (it was a retread) I was at 125 when that happened, so I pull into a gas station to get a new tire, took me 5 hours to get back on the road, while I was stuck at the station, the guy that was helping me get the tire was talking about how bad the cops were in that area, and could not believe I just went through most of there state at over 125, and never got pulled over, LOL I was was still very pissed so I just did not give a puck, when I left Darren I put it to the floor again, and made it to Florida with that 5 HR lay over in just under 23 hours, LOL that was a crazy ride.
this and many other things is why I love my Challenger, why MOPAR is my favorite.
now for mr officer Rich, I don't drive like that any more :D Kids mellow you out a bit and I got a tribe full of em.
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many years ago when I was a crazy sum-bith, (before the kids) I took of from Derry, NH on my way to Florida in my Challenger,me and my wife (girlfriend at the time) got into a fight, so I put the peddle to the floor, I made it to Darren, Georgia in a little under 17 hours, I was averaging 125 MPH , topped it out at 150, outside of Darren I heard a VERY load Bang, I thought I put a piston through the block, I mean cmon doing over a 120 for 17 hours it musta been a piston, nope my rear tread on driver side came off the tire, (it was a retread) I was at 125 when that happened, so I pull into a gas station to get a new tire, took me 5 hours to get back on the road, while I was stuck at the station, the guy that was helping me get the tire was talking about how bad the cops were in that area, and could not believe I just went through most of there state at over 125, and never got pulled over, LOL I was was still very pissed so I just did not give a puck, when I left Darren I put it to the floor again, and made it to Florida with that 5 HR lay over in just under 23 hours, LOL that was a crazy ride.
this and many other things is why I love my Challenger, why MOPAR is my favorite.
now for mr officer Rich, I don't drive like that any more :D Kids mellow you out a bit and I got a tribe full of em.
IN officer rich's eyes, you, me, and all of us are all ultra melons and criminals.
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we aren't just sheep, although you guys seem to think we should be.
"We"? "you guys"? What are you a tribal leader now? Ole Deputy Cap loves to troll for support when he's on one of his cop fantasys. Dont be one of his tools. Boy Serenity I hope you have the sense to hire a Lawyer instead of listening to some of this hogwash.
Cap has issues. Hes the kid in the treehouse that always wanted to grow up and be a cop and for some reason he couldnt.
The ticket can impact you so a Lawyer is worth the $100. Good luck with it. You sound like a nice person.
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Well, if we endangered other motorists we are, however 8-15 mph over is not 50-70 mph over. The reality is if the road is clear your only going leave yourself as a greasy spot. Whenever I do high speed runs like that its usually down two back country roads that I know very well. Doing that down I-75 during the middle of the day is just plain stupid, even if your Mario Andretti.
My personal best is 140 down a two lane blacktop headed out to the race track, in a topless Corvette. She was still pulling hard but I let off for some crossroads that were coming up. Even though it was night and I could probably see a car well before he pulled out. There is a fine line between stupidity and just having fun when it comes to speeding like that. I have always favored being safe towards other motorists but some are not like minded, those are the ultra melons and true criminals.
Strip
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IN officer rich's eyes, you, me, and all of us are all ultra melons and criminals.
you got that right, that was my little needle :D
I like how you mentioned "sheep" and that is exactly what most "think" and I love it when they tried to intimidate me, especially in prison lol, they did not like me there,lets just say I did what ever I wanted lol, (although there isn't much to do in Prison.)
its been awhile since I had to deal with the cops, Other then the recent ones in my town, its funny every one says they are Major jerks around here, But They have been very Polite to me and treated me extremely well, calling me MR Fields and such LOL But then again when you look someone in the eyes you can see who they are, they are windows, most people don't like what they see in mine.
oh and we should get a northern AH convention going at some point that would be cool :aok
INK
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"We"? "you guys"? What are you a tribal leader now? Ole Deputy Cap loves to troll for support when he's on one of his cop fantasys. Dont be one of his tools. Boy Serenity I hope you have the sense to hire a Lawyer instead of listening to some of this hogwash.
Cap has issues. Hes the kid in the treehouse that always wanted to grow up and be a cop and for some reason he couldnt.
The ticket can impact you so a Lawyer is worth the $100. Good luck with it. You sound like a nice person.
where do you gather i have issues? from what i can tell, and from what my friends can tell, i don't seem to have any.
well....unless the truth is my issues.
and where are you finding a lawyer for $100? i want his number for future reference.
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you got that right, that was my little needle :D
I like how you mentioned "sheep" and that is exactly what most "think" and I love it when they tried to intimidate me, especially in prison lol, they did not like me there,lets just say I did what ever I wanted lol, (although there isn't much to do in Prison.)
its been awhile since I had to deal with the cops, Other then the recent ones in my town, its funny every one says they are Major jerks around here, But They have been very Polite to me and treated me extremely well, calling me MR Fields and such LOL But then again when you look someone in the eyes you can see who they are, they are windows, most people don't like what they see in mine.
oh and we should get a northern AH convention going at some point that would be cool :aok
INK
it's like i said before.
treat me and mine well, and i treat you the same.
if the officer comes to my window with an attitude, he's getting a "polite" attitude back. and of course it's recorded for posterity.
if the officer comes to my window polite and professional, then he gets polite and professional back. also recorded.
the one i mentioned before, stayed polite and professional. he asked for my stuff....i asked him why i was stopped(as i knew i wasn't speeding....saw him well before he saw me). he repeated himself, as did i. then he told me why i was stopped, and i then informed him that i needed to open my door to bring the dome light on. he said it was ok, and everything was smooth, and good.
i'd imagine had officer rich been the one to stop me, i'd have been arrested for asking the question 2x. that's why i record things like that. nj is a 1 party state. :devil
i'm also very quick to jump with compliments, just as i am with complaints.
officer rich seems to think i'm an ass........but i can assure you, him, and anyone else reading this, that i am the farthest thing from that.
meeting me face to face would verify what i say......but then most on here say things that they'd never say face to face.
what i say here, i would say face to face. :aok
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it's like i said before.
treat me and mine well, and i treat you the same.
if the officer comes to my window with an attitude, he's getting a "polite" attitude back. and of course it's recorded for posterity.
if the officer comes to my window polite and professional, then he gets polite and professional back. also recorded.
the one i mentioned before, stayed polite and professional. he asked for my stuff....i asked him why i was stopped(as i knew i wasn't speeding....saw him well before he saw me). he repeated himself, as did i. then he told me why i was stopped, and i then informed him that i needed to open my door to bring the dome light on. he said it was ok, and everything was smooth, and good.
i'd imagine had officer rich been the one to stop me, i'd have been arrested for asking the question 2x. that's why i record things like that. nj is a 1 party state. :devil
i'm also very quick to jump with compliments, just as i am with complaints.
officer rich seems to think i'm an ass........but i can assure you, him, and anyone else reading this, that i am the farthest thing from that.
Dood I have NO doubt about that, we have been talking for awhile now and you are a person I could sit back with and have a good time, just chattin.
seriously when People who think like that about me I like it because it just saves me time of dealing with them, they just stay away.
there is a saying that fits me perfect.
"You all laugh at me cuz im different, I laugh cuz you are all the same."
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if the officer comes to my window with an attitude, he's getting a "polite" attitude back. and of course it's recorded for posterity.
if the officer comes to my window polite and professional, then he gets polite and professional back. also recorded.
May I ask in what way you record? Video? Tape or Digital Audio?
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wow, the OP was a request for opinions on a specific incident involving a speeding ticket. pretty straightforward you'd think.
but ... some people here just have to wade in and spout their opinions on ... pretty much anything that peeves them. cant speak for anyone else here but if you:
1. think you're speaking on behalf of everyone else
2. think this is a good place to spout your half-formed views on freedom/anarchy
3. think its ok to break the law because you have friends/family in the local police dept and they'll get you off it
4. think laws are for everyone else, but not you
5. think just because you like seeing pages and pages of your own opinions that anyone else does
... then I personally think you probably are an ultra melon, mostly because this isnt the topic for it.
back OT has anyone actually had a similar incident to serenity?
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May I ask in what way you record? Video? Tape or Digital Audio?
digital audio. i use an olympus digital recorder. as long as the recording is on the original media, it's admissable., if i transfer it to some other media, then it's considered "tampered", and can be questioned.
i have recording software in my cellphone too......just in case the battery is dead in the olympus recorder.
i may add video if i ever get my hot rod back on the road. :aok
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"We"? "you guys"? What are you a tribal leader now? Ole Deputy Cap loves to troll for support when he's on one of his cop fantasys. Dont be one of his tools. Boy Serenity I hope you have the sense to hire a Lawyer instead of listening to some of this hogwash.
Cap has issues. Hes the kid in the treehouse that always wanted to grow up and be a cop and for some reason he couldnt.
You sir are probably one of the poorest excuses for a LEO and it shows. Anytime someone disagrees with you, you pull a troll card. You are the perfect example of power corrupting. Your supervisor should have you psyc tested. Your delusions of grandeur are astounding.
I'll bet you would lie in open court just so you could make a ticket stick. That's how much you hate to be proven wrong.
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You sir are probably one of the poorest excuses for a LEO and it shows. Anytime someone disagrees with you you pull a troll card. You are the perfect example of power corrupting. Your supervisor should have you psyc tested. Your delusions of grandeur are astounding.
I'll bet you would lie in open court just so you could make a ticket stick. That's how much you hate to be proven wrong.
Hit the nail on the head.
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Hit the nail on the head.
i'll post this question. the answer will tell all.
does anyone REALLY think this kid(sorry serenity) should just go into the courtroom, and plead guilty, and take the fall for someone elses speed?
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Cap,
Brother, I dont know how you can go through life being prepared to record being pulled over by a LEO. That just rings of paranoid, maybe I have not had enough experience to understand though. I will say every cop I have met outside of his duties has been a fairly cool cat. We used to shoot IPSC and IDPA with a few at the local range, that was interesting. They would show up and act bad ass, thinking they were Rambo, at least until the shooting started. Nearly every cop that showed up was at lower end of the skill spread, even at 15 I could out shoot 9 out of 10. It was funny to watch their attitude change, many never came back....we discussed that a few times.
There was one though, he was grand master in IPSC, he made a standard issue .45 look like a .38 Super race gun.
Strip
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Cap,
Brother, I dont know how you can go through life being prepared to record being pulled over by a LEO. That just rings of paranoid, maybe I have not had enough experience to understand though. I will say every cop I have met outside of his duties has been a fairly cool cat. We used to shoot IPSC and IDPA with a few at the local range, that was interesting. They would show up and act bad ass, thinking they were Rambo, at least until the shooting started. Nearly every cop that showed up was at lower end of the skill spread, even at 15 I could out shoot 9 out of 10. It was funny to watch their attitude change, many never came back....we discussed that a few times.
There was one though, he was grand master in IPSC, he made a standard issue .45 look like a .38 Super race gun.
Strip
it has to do with the local police around here. there's a 50/50 chance of getting an "officer rich" type, that no matter what one was doing, no matter what one says, no matter what or how they were driving, they were wrong.
i realize it's a bit paranoid, but it makes me feel better. it also pays to have them, in case of an accident, because often people will admit to fault right there, then deny ever saying such. such as when the lady hit my mustang head on....i didn't do this back then. at the scene, she told me it was her fault...and thankfully, there was about 5 others that heard her......but afterwards, she said "i never said that". until the other people cam forward to help out.
the archery league i used to shoot in, there were a couple philly detectives, one narc dude, and a patrolman. they were all pretty cool dudes actually.
i used to know most of stratfords officers, including the (at the time) cheif, still know some lindenwold officers, cherry hill, laurel springs......and they're all cool.
not a single one of em pulls the "superman" act when they put their uniform on.
well.....lee did sometimes, but the dude's 57 and could probably kick any or our asses.... :rofl :rofl but he's a cool guy.
EDIT
BTW....thanks to you i shall now also be much more paranoid, and wary when i see a p-51b in the arena. :neener: :aok
on that 2nd fight...where the dude was trying to pick you........i only went straight when i was blacked out. on the one time i pinged ya, as i fired, i blacked out again, and couldn't maintain the turn........that let you get my 6 again.
was a fun fight though. :aok<<S>>
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Rich can you explain how doppler radar,lidar and laser units work?
In your explanation please include advantages and disadvantages of each one.
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Rich can you explain how doppler radar,lidar and laser units work?
In your explanation please include advantages and disadvantages of each one.
I'm not Rich, but from my research, here's a paraphrase of what I have found:
Doppler is easy to question. The cone it projects is much larger, and thus would be easier to say it could have hit one of several vehicles if they are close. The radar sends out it's signal like a normal radar unit and times the beam returning. It sends out a second beam and times this one. The difference between the two times gives the speed the vehicle is moving.
From what I understand, Lidar uses the same principle but with light. The beam is much smaller though, and thus can be car specific. The only disadvantage I can find is that you have to aim spot on, and in my case, that could not have been easy to do...
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Doppler is easy to question. The cone it projects is much larger, and thus would be easier to say it could have hit one of several vehicles if they are close. The radar sends out it's signal like a normal radar unit and times the beam returning. It sends out a second beam and times this one. The difference between the two times gives the speed the vehicle is moving.
Try again....at least on how it detects speed.
Strip
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Try again....at least on how it detects speed.
Strip
Really? I didn't research too hard into doppler as I know that's not what got me. Mind clarifying that for those interested though?
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You sir are probably one of the poorest excuses for a LEO and it shows. Anytime someone disagrees with you, you pull a troll card. You are the perfect example of power corrupting. Your supervisor should have you psyc tested. Your delusions of grandeur are astounding.
I'll bet you would lie in open court just so you could make a ticket stick. That's how much you hate to be proven wrong.
He's the kind of person that becomes a cop not because of any genuine feeling of giving something back to the community, nothing like that. People like him gravitate towards law enforcement because of the power you gain from carrying around a badge and a gun, helping people is just a secondary thought, if they're capable of abstract thought.
(http://www.principalspage.com/theblog/wp-content/uploads//2009/09/police-kid.jpg)
ack-ack
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Dopple radar uses the phenomenon known as the Doppler Effect, hence the name. In laymans terms, doppler radar detects a shift in frequency of returning radar waves. This would be akin to hearing a siren on a rescue vehicle. If one knows the emitted frequency they can measure the doppler shift. Armed with both frequencies they can calculate the speed of the ambulance. A doppler radar does the same thing, except the siren is emitted and bounced off of a vehicle. A vehicle approaching will bounce a slightly higher freq, going away, a slightly lower freq.
Strip
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ok. with the lidar, they shoot ya as you're approaching or as you're retreating away from em, right?
and serenity said that there were 2 cars passing him, right?
look at this diagram.
(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa135/1LTCAP/lticase2.jpg)
notice that the beam's angle causes it to hit 2 of those 3 vehicles. and at speed, you know it may well hit the third.
i ask again, and i know one of ya won;t have the cajones to answer...'cause ya know you're wrong......
do you really expect someone to sit back and take the hit for something someone else did?
this dude would never have been stopped, had the other vehicles not been there.
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ok. with the lidar, they shoot ya as you're approaching or as you're retreating away from em, right?
and serenity said that there were 2 cars passing him, right?
look at this diagram.
(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa135/1LTCAP/lticase2.jpg)
notice that the beam's angle causes it to hit 2 of those 3 vehicles. and at speed, you know it may well hit the third.
i ask again, and i know one of ya won;t have the cajones to answer...'cause ya know you're wrong......
do you really expect someone to sit back and take the hit for something someone else did?
this dude would never have been stopped, had the other vehicles not been there.
The ticket was chickenchit.
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The ticket was chickenchit.
i know. i'm trying to do something that seems increasingly silly on this bbs though.....i'm trying to reason with someone who apparently is never ever wrong.
and because his answer would be admitting that, i kinda don't expect to see it.....but i'm tryin to make him at least think about it.
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Better idea than asking a bunch of strangers on the internet would be to just ask your parents for their advice. They'll appreciate it, give good advice, and will appreciate it again when you take it.
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some of us are humble.
and yes, we are. who keeps your cruiser on the road? it sure as heck isn't you.
i am part of the infrastructure that keeps everyone moving. period.
also, i never claimed to be either. i was and am simply telling him to use common sense, and be polite and concise.
i can see where you'd not like that though, because if he does that, he's gonna win, since he's going through this for someone elses fault.
we aren't just sheep, although you guys seem to think we should be.
I believe police officers pay taxes, are they not part of the same infrastructure as everyone else?
Just curious.
Fred
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You sir are probably one of the poorest excuses for a LEO and it shows. Anytime someone disagrees with you, you pull a troll card. You are the perfect example of power corrupting. Your supervisor should have you psyc tested. Your delusions of grandeur are astounding.
I'll bet you would lie in open court just so you could make a ticket stick. That's how much you hate to be proven wrong.
Talk about making assumptions. I just wonder if you know Rich personally or have you had some professional contact with him other than the famous web. If not, you sir are making a lot of assumptions.
:salute
Fred
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Better idea than asking a bunch of strangers on the internet would be to just ask your parents for their advice. They'll appreciate it, give good advice, and will appreciate it again when you take it.
Best ("advice" :D) I have seen posted in this thread. :aok
Fred
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I believe police officers pay taxes, are they not part of the same infrastructure as everyone else?
Just curious.
Fred
i'm curious......you talk in the posts after this one about making assumptions.......yet in this quoted post you've made one yourself.
i never said they weren't. :aok
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Talk about making assumptions. I just wonder if you know Rich personally or have you had some professional contact with him other than the famous web. If not, you sir are making a lot of assumptions.
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Fred
it seems to be a safe assumption, as when anyone anywhere in any of these threads disagrees with him, he goes loopy. especially when it concerns police.
in the described situation, the kid is about to loose his DL, and pay a huge fine......for something someone else did. and the advice offered by an officer? just take the fall. :rolleyes:
unless he is completely different in rl, than he is in here, then he is part of the reason people dislike the police.
i'm not trying to be mean.......but what you see me type here, is exactly what i'd say to your face. i don't go around playin internet tough guy like some. :aok
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i'm curious......you talk in the posts after this one about making assumptions.......yet in this quoted post you've made one yourself.
i never said they weren't. :aok
Curious? Simple question to answer. :)
Your Post:
"some of us are humble.
and yes, we are. who keeps your cruiser on the road? it sure as heck isn't you.
i am part of the infrastructure that keeps everyone moving. period. also, i never claimed to be either. i was and am simply telling him to use common sense, and be polite and concise.
i can see where you'd not like that though, because if he does that, he's gonna win, since he's going through this for someone elses fault.
we aren't just sheep, although you guys seem to think we should be."
In the sentence in red you specificallty state "it sure as heck isn't you". That would imply that he himself is not part of the infrastructure that provides public service. I'm not sure, but I think all goverment employees pay taxes which would make them part of the infrastructure. So in that case, he does pay part of what it takes to keep his crusier on the road.
Just being a bit curious about statements being made.
:salute
Fred
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i'm curious......you talk in the posts after this one about making assumptions.......yet in this quoted post you've made one yourself.
i never said they weren't. :aok
Sure I did. The second post was directed to Bronk, not anyone else. I just find it humorous when someone who themselves partake in the art of trolling, calls someone else a troll.
In your post you were not making an assumption, you made a statement that by your own words tend to at least make me believe (my assumption) that you are stating a fact.
If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, just reading what is written.
:salute
Fred
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Curious? Simple question to answer. :)
Your Post:
"some of us are humble.
and yes, we are. who keeps your cruiser on the road? it sure as heck isn't you.
i am part of the infrastructure that keeps everyone moving. period. also, i never claimed to be either. i was and am simply telling him to use common sense, and be polite and concise.
i can see where you'd not like that though, because if he does that, he's gonna win, since he's going through this for someone elses fault.
we aren't just sheep, although you guys seem to think we should be."
In the sentence in red you specificallty state "it sure in the heck isn't you". That would imply that he himself is not part of the infrastructure that provides public service. I'm not sure, but I think all goverment employees pay taxes which would make them part of the infrastructure. So in that case, he does pay part of what it takes to keep his crusier on the road.
Just being a bit curious about statements being made.
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Fred
ok.....i can see where that could be mis interpreted........all gthat was meant to say, is that without mechanics, and technicians, those cruisers will simply sit in their parking lots, once they break.....and everything breaks.
sorry for the mis understanding..... :aok
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My best friend is a mechanic and is used solely by three cities, because "their own mechanics" cannot do a better job of maintaining.
That aside, the ticket issued to Serenity was chickenchit.
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Cops.... :rofl
Most cops out there become cops for the reason Occifer Rich is a cop(which I still don't believe he's a cop):
because they can have a gun, drive a cool car, harass people(especially those they don't like or don't agree with),and have some authority (which they grossly abuse on a regular basis).. These types are not there to protect you in any way.. A majority of cops(especially the bad ones) either don't know anything about civil rights or tend to ignore them all together and use intimidation/threats.. When they happen to get someone that knows the law as well as their civil rights, they like to get several cops together to use physical force and the standard "stop resisting! stop resisting!!" procedure for the in-dash cam/audio.. They are also quite adept at lying.. Cops continually abuse their powers especially in the matter of illegal search and seizures.. It is doubtful any of them would put their life in danger to save anyone else beside themselves.. Don't get me wrong, there are good cops out there that actually care, have compassion and are there to help the community, but I don't think they are in the majority.. I've stated this before, but I am "in" pretty good with the law enforcement in town.. My best buddy is a detective.. I used to ride with him all the time when he was a patrol officer.. Most of the guys he worked with had severe superiority complexes, abused their power, abused their women, had several divorces, kids that are absolutely dysfunctional in a regular setting, and pretty much ruining or tarnishing the world around them just because they could.. It has been like this everywhere I have ever lived.. People who are in positions of authority WILL abuse that authority without a doubt.. Top that off with Occifer Rich's attitude and thinking, and dealing with cops becomes a nightmare..
Eitherway, I still don't believe this douchinator is a cop.... Or maybe he is.. Cops like to broadcast "Hey! I'm a COP!! YOU BETTER RESPECT ME OR ELSE!!" I find it continually amusing when they bring their "cop mentality" into the game.. :rofl
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My best friend is a mechanic and is used solely by three cities, because "their own mechanics" cannot do a better job of maintaining.
That aside, the ticket issued to Serenity was chickenchit.
i agree fully on both of your statements.
cherry hill has it's own garage.....yet they send their police cruisers to the shop around the corner from me.
i'm working on getting the fire dept. cars........for the same reason.
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Cops.... :rofl
Most cops out there become cops for the reason Occifer Rich is a cop(which I still don't believe he's a cop):
because they can have a gun, drive a cool car, harass people(especially those they don't like or don't agree with),and have some authority (which they grossly abuse on a regular basis).. These types are not there to protect you in any way.. A majority of cops(especially the bad ones) either don't know anything about civil rights or tend to ignore them all together and use intimidation/threats.. When they happen to get someone that knows the law as well as their civil rights, they like to get several cops together to use physical force and the standard "stop resisting! stop resisting!!" procedure for the in-dash cam/audio.. They are also quite adept at lying.. Cops continually abuse their powers especially in the matter of illegal search and seizures.. It is doubtful any of them would put their life in danger to save anyone else beside themselves.. Don't get me wrong, there are good cops out there that actually care, have compassion and are there to help the community, but I don't think they are in the majority.. I've stated this before, but I am "in" pretty good with the law enforcement in town.. My best buddy is a detective.. I used to ride with him all the time when he was a patrol officer.. Most of the guys he worked with had severe superiority complexes, abused their power, abused their women, had several divorces, kids that are absolutely dysfunctional in a regular setting, and pretty much ruining or tarnishing the world around them just because they could.. It has been like this everywhere I have ever lived.. People who are in positions of authority WILL abuse that authority without a doubt.. Top that off with Occifer Rich's attitude and thinking, and dealing with cops becomes a nightmare..
Eitherway, I still don't believe this douchinator is a cop.... Or maybe he is.. Cops like to broadcast "Hey! I'm a COP!! YOU BETTER RESPECT ME OR ELSE!!" I find it continually amusing when they bring their "cop mentality" into the game.. :rofl
well I could not have said it better :rock :rock
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Sure I did. The second post was directed to Bronk, not anyone else. I just find it humorous when someone who themselves partake in the art of trolling, calls someone else a troll.
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Fred
Learn to read. No where did I call dickie a Troll. I said "Anytime someone disagrees with you, you pull a troll card.". In other words anytime and I mean anytime some disproves him he pulls a "You are a troll and shouldn't be listened to.".
Now your opinion on if I am a troll or not is another subject. However just to prove a my point. Ask lusche about the time dickie dropped the troll card on him because lusche corrected him. Is lusche a troll also? I'm thinking he is probably one of the most helpful people on this BBS. You and may not see eye to eye on a ton of things. I would not even remotely put you in the same category as dickie.
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Learn to read. No where did I call dickie a Troll. I said "Anytime someone disagrees with you, you pull a troll card.". In other words anytime and I mean anytime some disproves him he pulls a "You are a troll and shouldn't be listened to.".
Now your opinion on if I am a troll or not is another subject. However just to prove a my point. Ask lusche about the time dickie dropped the troll card on him because lusche corrected him. Is lusche a troll also? I'm thinking he is probably one of the most helpful people on this BBS. You and may not see eye to eye on a ton of things. I would not even remotely put you in the same category as dickie.
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the whole troll thing came up, 'cause officer rich seems to think that i was the one trolling. he seems to think i was trolling for support.......when in fact, it is/was him trying to gain support in here.
he, as well as the rest of us knows that serenity is not in the wrong, and should never have been stopped, but he feels the need to reinforce to us all that we should all respect all police, even those that don't earn or deserve it..........
i respect those that earn it.
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the whole troll thing came up, 'cause officer rich seems to think that i was the one trolling. he seems to think i was trolling for support.......when in fact, it is/was him trying to gain support in here.
he, as well as the rest of us knows that serenity is not in the wrong, and should never have been stopped, but he feels the need to reinforce to us all that we should all respect all police, even those that don't earn or deserve it..........
i respect those that earn it.
Respect is earned, not deserved. Rich thinks it's the other way around.
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the whole troll thing came up, 'cause officer rich seems to think that i was the one trolling.
Yea you disagreed with him so now you are a troll. Welcome to the club. :aok