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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: whiteman on June 27, 2013, 10:43:32 AM
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updates :O
(http://www.hitechcreations.com/images/stories/news/jagdpanzer/jagdpanzer4_2.jpg)
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oh good another tank :bhead
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get it right, tank destroyer and there's 3 of them.
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oh good another tank :bhead
Not one, three. ;)
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get it right, tank destroyer and there's 3 of them.
Including
(http://www.hitechcreations.com/images/stories/news/jagdpanzer/jagdpanther_3.jpg)
Im sure there will be an update to an ac aswell.
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More German armor. Oy. ;)
(http://www.hitechcreations.com/images/stories/news/jagdpanzer/jagdpanther_3.jpg)
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(http://www.hitechcreations.com/images/stories/news/jagdpanzer/jagdpanzer38t_3.jpg)
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More German armor. Oy. ;)
(http://www.hitechcreations.com/images/stories/news/jagdpanzer/jagdpanther_3.jpg)
Pfft that's so 30 seconds ago Arlo
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thought it was the Jagdtiger before i clicked on the picture. I'm not a morning/midday person.
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oh good another tank :bhead
:bhead
Campers rejoice.
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Pffff, a vehicle with semi turret that doesnt move. It will be a sitting duck
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BTW, great work Waffle and Greebo. Hetzer has my favorite camo scheme.
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:bhead
Campers rejoice.
If HTC would just get rid of the titanium bushes Im sure the gv part of Aces high would draw in even more refugees from WoT.
Also do you even lift brah?
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titanium bushes
:rofl
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I bet the Jagdpanther has a pretty high perk cost, shares its gun with the Tiger II.
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Guess some 'evening up' will be due for the 'Aces Low' (tanks) part of the game. ;)
(http://www.the3dstudio.com/download_image.ashx?size=large&mode=product&file_guid=51fea74b-ceab-4c82-89a3-a1b441f1efd6)
(http://ww2drawings.jexiste.fr/Images/1-Vehicles(bis)/USA/3-HeavyTanks/T32/p1.jpg)
(http://i50.tinypic.com/iz6ssn.png)
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I bet the Jagdpanther has a pretty high perk cost, shares its gun with the Tiger II.
But not the mobility or the armor, IIRC.
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CraterMa ridge sitter ;)
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Tanks are nice... :) ... but can we have some fire and smoke that lasts a while when we blow 'em up? :pray :x
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Tanks are nice... :) ... but can we have some fire and smoke that lasts a while when we blow 'em up? :pray :x
You got a thing for frame reduction, don'tcha? :D
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Three nice-looking Jagdpanzern! :aok
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:O :O :O :O :O :O :O :O :O I want my JadgTiger know hehe these look awesome HTC I'm looking forward to more updates this is what keeps my account open stuff like this
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CraterMa ridge Jug target :devil
Fixed
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i can hear the tears dropping in the forums already...
You got a thing for frame reduction, don'tcha? :D
i think he finally got himself a computer that can handle the effects and now he wants more...not realizing he will need a better computer to handle the increased load.
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Nice. Some of that pitting is really well done too.
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will these tanks be faster?
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Guess some 'evening up' will be due for the 'Aces Low' (tanks) part of the game. ;)
(http://www.the3dstudio.com/download_image.ashx?size=large&mode=product&file_guid=51fea74b-ceab-4c82-89a3-a1b441f1efd6)
(http://ww2drawings.jexiste.fr/Images/1-Vehicles(bis)/USA/3-HeavyTanks/T32/p1.jpg)
(http://i50.tinypic.com/iz6ssn.png)
arlo is that last image of a T30 heavy tank?? with 120mm gun??? all for the IS line of tanks my self and KVs idk about t32 or t30
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i can hear the tears dropping in the forums already...
i think he finally got himself a computer that can handle the effects and now he wants more...not realizing he will need a better computer to handle the increased load.
That's it, I'm buying a Cray. :lol
http://www.cray.com/Products/Computing/XE.aspx
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All cool tanks that are popular with the tanks enthusiasts, no doubt. And considering the proportional rise in popularity of ground combat, it is smart to cater to that audience to keep then as subscribers in the future aswell.
I think tough that as far as historic balance goes, it would have been the turn of the Soviet 'big guns'.
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arlo is that last image of a T30 heavy tank?? with 120mm gun??? all for the IS line of tanks my self and KVs idk about t32 or t30
T-32
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Cant wait to walk right up to these and give em a HVAP. I can already hear the whines. :banana:
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SU-100
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fc/Su_100.jpg)
SU-152
(http://www.cybermodeler.com/hobby/builds/tru/images/tru_5568_12.jpg)
M-10
(http://www.track48.com/userfiles/m10c.jpg)
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No turret means leaving the engine running to aim means it is the first GV targeted by opposing armor. Hanger queens x3 in 2 weeks.
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No turret means leaving the engine running to aim means it is the first GV targeted by opposing armor. Hanger queens x3 in 2 weeks.
Spawn camper :headscratch:
Not.
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Thank you HTC :aok Appreciate all the work you guys put into the game :cheers:
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Very nice toys HTC! :aok
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:rofl :rofl :rofl
I can't help but laugh at everyone who's whining about them being next release.
:rofl :rofl :rofl
These TD's lookin good. *drools* Now, as mentioned before, if we can do something about those titanium bushes and trees, I see SO MANY ambush possibilities. :x
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But not the mobility or the armor, IIRC.
Take a Panther G's speed and armor, give it the 88 L'71. You have the Jagdpanther.
And if I had to guess, here's what we'd be looking at:
Hetzer: 0-2 perks
The reason for a perk cost is that it had 120mm LOS thickness on the frontal armor, and will be damn near invisible. Tiny, tiny little thing for an AFV; it has damn near the same dimensions as our M3 halftrack, but a better silhouette. Pictures:
(http://www.precision-panzer.moonfruit.com/communities/9/004/006/621/409/images/4585428238.jpg)
(http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Bilder/Hetzer/Hetzer-12.jpg)
Jagdpanzer IV: 5-10 perks. IIRC, about 100mm LOS thickness for this particular version, plus the L/70.
Jagdpanther: 25-50 perks. Good armor, great mobility, and a gun literally without equal during WWII.
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SU-100
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fc/Su_100.jpg)
SU-152
(http://www.cybermodeler.com/hobby/builds/tru/images/tru_5568_12.jpg)
M-10
(http://www.track48.com/userfiles/m10c.jpg)
Literally only the top one would be worth adding in the next update.
The Su-100 would be the best Soviet TD we can reasonably add, and would be something like a Jagdpanther, but if it had had its gun sort of mixed together with the 88mm L/56.
The Archer would be a better AT gun than either of the others, and there are other non TD vehicles that deserve to be added before hand. While I love the new vehicles we'll be getting, its nothing but criminal that we're getting them before the Panzer III/StuG. We still need a Valentine tank, a Crusader, a BT-7 or T-26, we could do with an M3/M5 stuart, a Cromwell, a Churchill, a T-70 would be decent. An SU-85 should come before the SU 152 as well.....
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Thank you HTC :aok Appreciate all the work you guys put into the game :cheers:
Agreed .... even with my (event) balance suggestions. :)
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:rofl :rofl :rofl
I can't help but laugh at everyone who's whining about them being next release.
:rofl :rofl :rofl
I musta missed that. I appreciate entertainment as much as the next guy. :D
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Well done HTC!
I will be using them all!
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Hetzers gonna Hetz!
-Hetzer
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T-32
The last one isn't a T-32...
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Fantastic something else that's German :rofl
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The last one isn't a T-32...
Ok.
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Fantastic something else that's German :rofl
that's cause they don't smell like moldy pie and tea bags :old:
:rofl :rofl
like a crowell will :D
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All three GV's will be outstanding additions to aces, great job :)
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Im not a GV'er but I still like the choice.
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Forgot to mention that those Greebo's textures are once again simply amazing!
They are just loaded with authentic well made detailing like the rough flame cut sides (modern flame cutting processes leave much smoother cut surface) of the lower front armor plate, those rough imperfections in the cast parts (rough sand casts used), beautiful bump mapped welds and all that dirt and weathering!
That's approaching photo realism! :)
Simply awesome!
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Im not a GV'er but I still like the choice.
You can't go wrong with options. :aok
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No turret means leaving the engine running to aim means it is the first GV targeted by opposing armor. Hanger queens x3 in 2 weeks.
Now they may have to make certain other tanks have their engine running to turn the turret as well.
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oh boy... GV's.... That'll ... be... nice for spawn camps.
Although it looks cool... I was expecting a lot more than this by the title of the thread. :(
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That's it, I'm buying a Cray. :lol
http://www.cray.com/Products/Computing/XE.aspx
Why not,the water cooled version only weight 2000 pounds! :O
:salute
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Cant wait to walk right up to these and give em a HVAP. I can already hear the whines. :banana:
Youre a really poor sauce troll. Move away.
But listen HTC, the worlds biggest army ever is represented by 2 variants of the same tank. IS, KV, Su100, please! Just like Jak-3, Mig-3, Tu-2, Pe-2, please!
And this comes from a luftwhiner who is extraordinarily happy with the new TDs.
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Why not,the water cooled version only weight 2000 pounds! :O
:salute
Better than ...
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3q93sMpNH1rvttpdo1_400.jpg)
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Youre a really poor sauce troll. Move away.
But listen HTC, the worlds biggest army ever is represented by 2 variants of the same tank. IS, KV, Su100, please! Just like Jak-3, Mig-3, Tu-2, Pe-2, please!
And this comes from a luftwhiner who is extraordinarily happy with the new TDs.
Maybe they are already on it. I agree with ya though. Either way, we'll know in a few days what other presents they got for us. Because it's a sure bet there are more. :x :rock
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oh boy... GV's...
:(
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Wow what a surprise!!! Just what AH needs another Tank. :bhead
Here I am over past few years thinking updating the existing plane set to AH1 would take priority over anything else when AH2 was first released over 10 years.
I guess the demand from customers for the next uber campers weapon is stronger. :rolleyes:
No wonder player numbers are dropping, and to think the main focus of this game is suppose to be air combat. :lol
<S>...-Gixer
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oh boy... GV's.... That'll ... be... nice for spawn camps.
Although it looks cool... I was expecting a lot more than this by the title of the thread. :(
sorry for my excitement as these are 3 of 4 GV's I care to see added. The 4th being the Stug III.
Wow what a surprise!!! Just what AH needs another Tank. :bhead
Here I am over past few years thinking updating the existing plane set to AH1 would take priority over anything else when AH2 was first released over 10 years.
I guess the demand from customers for the next uber campers weapon is stronger. :rolleyes:
No wonder player numbers are dropping, and to think the main focus of this game is suppose to be air combat. :lol
<S>...-Gixer
I'd say that we might see an AC update as well, seems to be the way these updates go. My guess would be the Yak's.
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Wow what a surprise!!! Just what AH needs another Tank. :bhead
Here I am over past few years thinking updating the existing plane set to AH1 would take priority over anything else when AH2 was first released over 10 years.
I guess the demand from customers for the next uber campers weapon is stronger. :rolleyes:
No wonder player numbers are dropping, and to think the main focus of this game is suppose to be air combat. :lol
<S>...-Gixer
Gee, Gix. Don't hold back, man.
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I musta missed that. I appreciate entertainment as much as the next guy. :D
See. Entertainment! Now who's got a popcorn smiley at the ready? :lol
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Good Lord.......
Ok where are the updated Yaks(3) and Beaufighter and and Whirlwind and Firefly and Bulldog and Tu\Pe bombers and G.55 and SM.79 and CR.42 and Ki44\45\Raiden and D.520 and and A26 and Helldiver and J3 with bazooka and IA 80 and and and and Po2 :t and I-153...need help here guys.
Looks like we is turning into WoT with class, style, and brains. Where's the go faster key again..................
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Nice tanks, now i hope after this micro patch the next update is held back for a few more months as more work trickles out.
Updated models, new plane types. Hopefully 1940-43's type of fighters from other nations. :rock :salute
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See. Entertainment! Now who's got a popcorn smiley at the ready? :lol
(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b308/RedRobin_05/Detailing/Stickers/Popcorn_smiley.jpg)
(http://smileys.smilchat.net/emoticon/food/3d-popcorn.gif)
(http://www.smiley-lol.com/smiley/manger/grignoter/pocorn.gif)
(http://www.passat35i-forum.nl/forum/Smileys/default/smiley_popcorn.gif)
(http://smileys.emoticonsonly.com/emoticons/s/sharing_popcorn-1245.gif)
(http://www1.pgcps.org/uploadedImages/Region_1_Schools/Elementary/Valley_View/smiley_with_popcorn(2).gif)
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(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b308/RedRobin_05/Detailing/Stickers/Popcorn_smiley.jpg)
(http://smileys.smilchat.net/emoticon/food/3d-popcorn.gif)
(http://www.smiley-lol.com/smiley/manger/grignoter/pocorn.gif)
(http://www.passat35i-forum.nl/forum/Smileys/default/smiley_popcorn.gif)
(http://smileys.emoticonsonly.com/emoticons/s/sharing_popcorn-1245.gif)
(http://www1.pgcps.org/uploadedImages/Region_1_Schools/Elementary/Valley_View/smiley_with_popcorn(2).gif)
:rofl
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The thing about it is that no matter what HTC reveals somebody is going to post a rant about how it isn't what they ought to have been working on. Once I might have been one of them, but no longer. There is no right answer for them.
Nice looking GVs.
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So who knows how far the guns could move horizontly.I know they had some limited movement.
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Then I want a motorcycle with a machinegun to sit at the map room and mow down troops..........
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So who knows how far the guns could move horizontly.I know they had some limited movement.
The Jadpanther gun had a horizontal traverse of 11° to both sides each. The Hetzer cannon traversed 11° to the left but only 5° to the right due to it's asymetrical installation.
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Then I want a motorcycle with a machinegun to sit at the map room and mow down troops..........
Hey, I'll drive you shoot. Deal? :D
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Hey, I'll drive you shoot. Deal? :D
Too bad you can't do that anymore. :cry I heard tales of you use to be able to join a tank and gun for the guy. Maybe I'm mistaken? :headscratch:
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I heard tales of you use to be able to join a tank and gun for the guy. Maybe I'm mistaken? :headscratch:
You are not. It was possible before the redesigned GV system (but rarely used).
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Too bad you can't do that anymore. :cry I heard tales of you use to be able to join a tank and gun for the guy. Maybe I'm mistaken? :headscratch:
made for some fun back in the day :(
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I can't wait to blow them up with my bomber! Oh snap...I don't bomb or tank. Screwed over again by the man.
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I can't wait to blow them up with my bomber! Oh snap...I don't bomb or tank. Screwed over again by the man.
What man :headscratch:
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Tanks are nice... :) ... but can we have some fire and smoke that lasts a while when we blow 'em up? :pray :x
I would love this, but the tankers getting picked by jabos will cry bloody murder.
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No wonder player numbers are dropping, :lol
<S>...-Gixer
And a goodly portion of those remaining like to play with the gv's. Making customers happy is a good idea, you know, the guys that actually lift.
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The Jadpanther gun had a horizontal traverse of 11° to both sides each. The Hetzer cannon traversed 11° to the left but only 5° to the right due to it's asymetrical installation.
If so then I will retract my initial negative response and blame it on impulse uninformed idiocy.
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And a goodly portion of those remaining like to play with the gv's. Making customers happy is a good idea, you know, the guys that actually lift.
:rofl
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Some size comparisons of the hetzer
(http://farm1.staticflickr.com/116/279061840_c8cdebfab2_z.jpg)
(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3360/3431980672_92866f19a9_z.jpg)
(http://www.weapon.df.ru/tanks/germsp/ferdinand/hetzer.jpg)
(http://deanoinamerica.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/hetzer-t-342.jpg?w=614&h=409)
(http://www.cgexperience.com/images/az_hetzer_g13-d_01.jpg)
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Not very big targets, but the only one with a pintle gun is the jagdpanzer 38 t... so that being said I would love the ability to run up to them, pour gas on them and set them on fire. :t We'll shoot them as the clamber out.
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I'm looking forward to dropping a bomb on it. :P
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A legit 2 shot kill!
One to a track! And one to the side :banana: :joystick:
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Was the 38t able to turn on track? If so, I wonder how quick it will be. And it leads to other early tanks as well considering it's chassis. It's gun is that of the Panzer H, but the chassis is an early war chassis if I recall correctly. :headscratch:
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Was the 38t able to turn on track? If so, I wonder how quick it will be. And it leads to other early tanks as well considering it's chassis. It's gun is that of the Panzer H, but the chassis is an early war chassis if I recall correctly. :headscratch:
Pz38t
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ec/Panzer_38%28t%29_Ausf._S.jpg/300px-Panzer_38%28t%29_Ausf._S.jpg)
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Was the 38t able to turn on track? If so, I wonder how quick it will be. And it leads to other early tanks as well considering it's chassis. It's gun is that of the Panzer H, but the chassis is an early war chassis if I recall correctly. :headscratch:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panzer_38(t)
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I couldn't give a stuff about tanks tbh. It is annoying seeing the yaks cockpit though.
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It will be Festivus for a couple months... in my G2 :t
Yum,
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Designs based on chassis
SdKfz 138 Marder III carried German 75 mm gun in open-top superstructure
SdKfz 139 Marder III carried Soviet 76.2 mm gun in open-top superstructure
SdKfz 138/1 Grille carried German 150 mm infantry gun; also munition variant which carried ammunition
SdKfz 140 Flakpanzer 38(t) carried a 20 mm anti-aircraft gun
SdKfz 140/1Aufklärungspanzer 38(t) mit 2 cm KwK 38 reconnaissance tank with 20 mm turret from a SdKfz.222 armoured car (70 built)
SdKfz 140/1Aufklärungspanzer 38(t) mit 7.5 cm KwK37 L/24 75 mm gun mounted in a modified superstructure (only two built)
Jagdpanzer 38(t) (unofficially known as the Hetzer) a tank destroyer carrying a 75 mm L/48 anti-tank gun
G-13 Swiss designation for postwar-built Jagdpanzer 38(t) sold by Czechoslovakia
Nahkampfkanone 1 Swiss built tank destroyer, similar to Marder III, only one built.[5]
Pansarbandvagn 301, 220 Stridsvagn m/41 (SI and SII) rebuilt to armoured personnel carriers.
Stormartillerivagn m/43, assault gun based on the m/41 SII chassis. 36 produced.
Honestly? I had to point that out? :) I guess you want me to just call it the Hetzer or something. Still on a 38(t) chassis, although altered. :neener:
Plus it could lead to these:
PzKpfw 38(t) Ausf. A-D
PzKpfw 38(t) Ausf. E-G Pz 38(t)
PzKpfw 38(t) Ausf. S
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Cant wait to walk right up to these and give em a HVAP. I can already hear the whines. :banana:
:rofl
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Fantastic, more tanks added to the increasingly inaccurately named Aces High. :bhead
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The thing about it is that no matter what HTC reveals somebody is going to post a rant about how it isn't what they ought to have been working on. Once I might have been one of them, but no longer. There is no right answer for them.
Yes the right answer would be to finish all existing AH1 aircraft to AH2 level before spending time and resources anywhere else, especially things like WW1 and new hangar queens.
10 + years out and still all the aircraft haven't been updated, if given priority could of all been completed in two years after AH2 release, then start on the new stuff.
<S>...-Gixer
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Yes the right answer would be to finish all existing AH1 aircraft to AH2 level before spending time and resources anywhere else, especially things like WW1 and new hangar queens.
...the right answer in your opinion, that is.
I think it's great that historic combat aircraft like A6M3, Ki-43, G4M and He111 have been added lately.
10 + years out and still all the aircraft haven't been updated, if given priority could of all been completed in two years after AH2 release, then start on the new stuff.
AHII came out in the summer of 2004. So it has not taken "10+ years". Constant exaggerating doesn't exactly increase the credibility of your posts.
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AHII came out in the summer of 2004. So it has not taken "10+ years". Constant exaggerating doesn't exactly increase the credibility of your posts.
Ah so going from memory that many years ago I was one year out, thanks for the correction makes a huge difference eh with my cartoon world credibility on the line and all. :lol
You forgot to mention all the other great time consumers other than updating the entire planset first, like ToD (ditched) and WW1 (ditched by community after about two weeks).
<S>...-Gixer
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I'n'so excited by the new tanks...yawn
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Ah so going from memory that many years ago I was one year out, thanks for the correction makes a huge difference eh with my cartoon world credibility on the line and all. :lol
Just a one case of many. You also have said that AH has had the same engine for 14 years while AH has barely been around that long if you count in the initial beta period. AHII used an entire new basic engine compared to AHI.
I fully agree that AH looks dated and that constant resistance for better graphics is silly. It's just that its generally better to stick to the facts instead of constant nonsense when proving one's point.
You forgot to mention all the other great time consumers other than updating the entire planset first, like ToD (ditched) and WW1 (ditched by community after about two weeks).
Oh, I certainly don't agree with all the development direction decisions that HTC has made but considering that I was only responding to your comment on how long it has taken to update the planeset, your comment is totally irrelevant.
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Just a one case of many. You also have said that AH has had the same engine for 14 years while AH has barely been around that long if you count in the initial beta period. AHII used an entire new basic engine compared to AHI.
An entirely new basic engine? What's that suppose to mean? If it isn't the same engine then how come it looks and feels exactly the same as AH1? Apart from a few extra effects,textures, etc. Core engine is exactly the same, hence same pyramid mountains, flat terrain, seas and blue skies.
I remember when AH2 release date, still had the exact same old maps and pretty much looked the same overall as AH1 which was a dissapointment.
Geee you really get hung up on the difference of 1 year eh, or actually 11 months, or is it 10 months since we are now almost in July? So imortant to be accurate give or take.
Dated, it looked dated in 2004 let alone in another 9 years plus six months, which would be todays date give or take a few weeks..
<S>...-Gixer
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An entirely new basic engine? What's that suppose to mean? If it isn't the same engine then how come it looks and feels exactly the same as AH1? Apart from a few extra effects,textures, etc. Core engine is exactly the same, hence same pyramid mountains, flat terrain, seas and blue skies.
I remember when AH2 release date, still had the exact same old maps and pretty much looked the same overall as AH1 which was a dissapointment.
Geee you really get hung up on the difference of 1 year eh, or actually 11 months, or is it 10 months since we are now almost in July? So imortant to be accurate give or take.
Dated, it looked dated in 2004 let alone in another 9 years plus six months, which would be todays date give or take a few weeks..
All I can say that if one didn't recognise any difference between AHI and AHII graphics, blindness is about the only possibility that I can think of. Just because AHI terrains were converted to AHII engine and the fact that their georaphical layout stayed the same doesn't mean they had the same terrain graphics.
As far as the engine goes, you are saying that AH has had the same engine for 14 years. The reality is that is had the same terrain engine for 4 years per Hitech's own words:
Switch from AHI to AHII in 2004:
View version 2.0 as the new foundation to build on the next 5 years like ah 1.0 was. There are lots of items built into the new engine that you don't see. We have done search lights, pixel shader fire and smoke, envirorment mapping. The frame work is in place for those items already. They will be comming in future version, but first 2.0 needs to be released ,solid and be able to run on older machines then we can go on to some cooler stuff for newer boards.
Latest major graphics update in 2009:
They will return, when I was writing the new terrain engine I ran into a snag with the small hills making them look correctly with the terrain texturing on the hills.
When you exaggerate like that its easy dub your posts as noise which this BBS is so full of.
P.S I fully agree that AH has never been exactly graphically intensive game but to say that it has always looked the same is utter nonsense.
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When you exaggerate like that its easy dub your posts as noise which this BBS is so full of.
P.S I fully agree that AH has never been exactly graphically intensive game but to say that it has always looked the same is utter nonsense.
It's not nonsense or exaggeration, other than for a few effects and textures the core engine is basically the same, along with the overall look and feel of the game as AH1. AH2 was only a update to new effects,mapping,objects etc. not an entirely new engine as some expected including myself.
If you think i suffer from blindness, a few others did as well and said only significant visual change was to the loading screen.
Anyway if you want to ignore that as nonsense and go with the HT Cool-aid, so be it. Only wish I had a few screenshots over the years.. I can take off today, have all the sliders maxed out and still see the same pyramid shapes as I did in 2000, just now with added textures,objects and mapping.
Also looking at the timeline of updates, HT took 4 years from 2000 to 2004 to release AH2, so what happened to AH3? Shouldn't that of been around 2008/2009? Now we are in 2013 plus 6 months and still no AH3 or even any word of it from HT..
Oh but we do have another new tank to get excited about. :rolleyes:
<S>...-Gixer
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:aok
Job well done to HTC! Likewise, Greebo has done another fine job at creating wonderful skins!
I'm not seeing how these will be game changers, they will be much the same as the Panzer IV H, Panther, and Tiger II with exception to what ammo load outs are available. The Tiger II's cousin will be a concrete hermit, the Panther's cousin will see limit use in the field, and the Hetzer may see a good bit of use depending on the terrain, etc. All three will have limited use against a town or enemy field due to a probable small amount of HE available.
I'm more curious as to reload times and perk costs than anything.
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Anyway if you want to ignore that as nonsense and go with the HT Cool-aid, so be it.
Ok. Based on the above, it's clear that discussing with you is rather futile.
If HT says he has written a new engine then has written one, or are you calling him a liar? What is of course open for discussion is the merits of these engines/graphics in general. That is subjective. What isn't subjective is if has written a new engine for those revisions discussed above. That's totally binary, either he has or he hasn't written new engines and if he says he has and just look for the evolution of the graphics, I certainly believe him.
Like I said, if these engines were big enough steps up is of course open for discussion. I certainly have my pet peeves when it comes to the graphics and would like to see several improvements. But like I said, whining that the graphics are 14 years old is simply clueless nonsense.
Couple screenshots:
AH 1.05
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f147/Wmaker/geronimo_zps27b69c7c.jpg)
Somewhat current AH:
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f147/Wmaker/Yakkitappo2.jpg)
Again, I'd like too see higher resolution mesh terrains myself but claiming that the engine has remained the same and that a little development has happened graphics-wise is nonsense.
EDIT: The AH1 screen didn't show. Changed it.
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I really must get in a tank one day..... :D
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Again, I'd like too see higher resolution mesh terrains myself but claiming that the engine has remained the same a little development has happened graphics-wise is nonsense.
Really?? Nice pyramid hill tops in that screenshot. :lol
Or you referring to the Brew and effects? As yes those have changed. except the poor yak has stayed exactly the same and of course the pyramids and straight angle hills, which relates to the core engine from AH1, not the added fluff since.
<S>...-Gixer
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The Brew is probably the "funnest" new plane for me thats been added in my time. I like it best as a defender when CV planes are attacking. With a little air under you its a great all around plane and tough enough to wander around a CV a little.
I like this new TD but if something Soviet isnt also included I'll be disappointed. A Soviet bomber is probably the largest hole we have in the set.
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AH2 added the small hills, trees and such that AH1 didn't have. Since then reflections, specular mapping, shadows and bump mapping have been added. Per HiTech the current engine is fully capable of any level of graphics they want to do.
What I would like to see is a much higher polygon count terrain map which would dispense with the need for the small, repetitive hillocks that are pasted onto the current low resolution terrain maps in order to give the tanks something other than large, flat, treed planes to fight on. The problem with that is that it would immediately remove all current maps unless the old maps could be loaded in the new version. The old maps would still look just as they do now though.
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Nice pyramid hill tops in that screenshot. :lol
As I said, I'd like to see higher resolution mesh on the terrain myself aswell. Doesn't make your posts to be any less nonsense, though.
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As I said, I'd like to see higher resolution mesh on the terrain myself aswell. Doesn't make your posts to be any less nonsense, though.
And even with two screen shots you still have straight angles and pyramids for terrain not to mention the ever present clear blue skies. So if there any nonsense it's your screenshots trying to prove otherwise.
<S>...-Gixer
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And even with two screen shots you still have straight angles and pyramids for terrain not to mention the ever present clear blue skies.
<S>...-Gixer
The clear blue skies are falling. The clear blue skies are falling to the pointy ground. :D
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And even with two screen shots you still have straight angles and pyramids for terrain not to mention the ever present clear blue skies. So if there any nonsense it's your screenshots trying to prove otherwise.
You seem to lack reading comprehension, all I've ever said is I'd like to see higher resolution terrain mesh. I proved that AH has had several engines and therefore proved your nonsense wrong.
No point trying to communicate with you any further.
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HTC has made me happy with their addition of these gvs. :aok
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Gixer is 100% WRONG, Even his claim of vertex resolution is incorrect. Ah Actually runs 4 times many vertexes as the elevations you see. I.E. I don't even have to change the density to increase the smoothness. The reason this has not happened, is because on computers running detailed terrain, I.E. most, changing the elevations would have almost no impact.
But the systems that could not run detail terrain just display the vertexes with elevation,and changing them would have a huge impact.
Now since we are on online game, people cans see different colors but they must all see the same elevations.
As to having to update terrains. The existing ones would not have to be changed but would look smother simply by using
Spline interpolation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spline_interpolation
New ones could be set as the designer wished.
HiTech
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Gixer is 100% WRONG, Even his claim of vertex resolution is incorrect. Ah Actually runs 4 times many vertexes as the elevations you see. I.E. I don't even have to change the density to increase the smoothness. The reason this has not happened, is because on computers running detailed terrain, I.E. most, changing the elevations would have almost no impact.
But the systems that could not run detail terrain just display the vertexes with elevation,and changing them would have a huge impact.
Now since we are on online game, people cans see different colors but they must all see the same elevations.
As to having to update terrains. The existing ones would not have to be changed but would look smother simply by using
Spline interpolation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spline_interpolation
New ones could be set as the designer wished.
HiTech
Way too much math in that link but thank you anyway, HT.
Some people just don't have the happy gene.
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Way too much math in that link but thank you anyway, HT.
Some people just don't have the happy gene.
I've got the happy gene :banana: :banana: :banana:
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I've got the happy gene :banana: :banana: :banana:
I think you have 2.
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I think you have 2.
i'd be surprised if they weren't rubbed raw too...
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Some people just don't have the happy gene.
some people are exigent and will not blindly accept a product because they are told to.
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some people are exigent and will not blindly accept a product because they are told to.
You sure told me. :huh
(http://womenonthefence.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/feeling-disappointed.jpg)
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Whether one likes the addition of this vehicle or not, tank destroyers were prevalent in the war and thus in a game where there is a ground vehicle aspect, well they need to be included.
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Never-the-less, there is a forgotten ground vehicle, still:
(http://www.foldingcyclist.com/Columbia-Compax-paratrooper-bicycle.jpg)
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i'd be surprised if they weren't rubbed raw too...
well then
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some people are exigent and will not blindly accept a product because they are told to.
Most people would just stop paying for it.
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Most people would just stop paying for it.
you obviously didn't see the iphone 5 :D
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I'm more curious as to reload times and perk costs than anything.
One thing I read while researching the Hetzer was that it was rushed into service with a major design flaw. The designers put the driver and loader on the left and the gun on the right side of the vehicle. However the gun was designed to be loaded from the right. This meant the loader had to reach round the breech from the left in order to load a shell and this screwed up the reload times.
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This meant the loader had to reach round the breech from the left in order to load a shell and this screwed up the reload times.
And invited some nasty burns ;)
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And invited some nasty burns ;)
As always, I'm betting the soldiers inside the Hetzer were able to adapt and overcome the obstacles of loading from that side and minimize any design flaw. IIRC, the Hetzer was not originally meant to mount the 75mm PaK 39 L/48 gun, but instead a different gun, which one I do not remember. The 50mm KwK 39 L/60 maybe?
I do have to say that I am surprised that HTC went with the Hetzer instead of the StG III. If they would have added the StG III then the Panzer III would have been that much easier to add. ;) The StG III could have easily provided three models: the B, G, and F models (similar to the Panzer IV lineage).
Regardless, I'm glad HTC opened up a new area uncovered in the AH world: turret-less AFV's (the M3/75mm doesn't count). I look for the Su-100 to be on the horizon, and maybe perhaps the StG III as well. ;)
Now... about adding the Wellington, SB-2, Beaufighter, Soviet SB2, Yak update, B26 update, Ju88 update, etc. :D
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Gixer is 100% Wrong
HiTech
100% Wrong about what, been talking about a lot of different points. So I am wrong that terrain doesn't have pyramid hills and straight angles? That we still have aircraft from AH1 which was my original point re this thread.
Last time I was online they were still there along with pyramid hills.
No matter how many references you make to coding methods or spec fact is the core engine is the same as it was in 2004 if not 2000 with only added mapping extra objects and effects etc since.
<S>...-Gixer
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Wow.
Arlo! We need a smiley to cover this!
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Jadgpanzer's already reeking havoc on the message board, squeakin*
(http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/tumblr_ljh0puClWT1qfkt17.gif)
*radio edit
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You seem to lack reading comprehension, all I've ever said is I'd like to see higher resolution terrain mesh. I proved that AH has had several engines and therefore proved your nonsense wrong.
No point trying to communicate with you any further.
And you seem to lack the ability to have a conversation without making personal remarks on reading comprehension.
If we don't agree that AH2 was basically an update of AH1 and AH2 which in my opinion still has the same look and feel as AH1. (proven by your screenshots) but that's ok if you don't agree.
If you don't agree that we still have the same core graphics engine from 2000 can you agree that in 2013 we do have a core graphics engine which is pre 2005.
Which surely explains on what we do agree on, that AH looks dated and in need of an update.
Your strongly defending changes the first 5 years of the last decade, but overlooking the 8 years and six months since 2005 where not a lot has happened (AH3?).. So in that timeline whether I'm a year or two out, or arguing the difference between AH1 or AH2 back between 2000 and 2005 is irrelevant since it was so long ago either way.
<S>...-Gixer
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Gixer,
I am pretty sure HiTech was saying you're 100% wrong about your claims about the graphics engine and its development, or lack thereof.
He acknowledged that the terrain resolution could be higher, and in fact is currently modeled with four times the resolution, but is scaled to where it is because of the hardware they are targeting.
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He acknowledged that the terrain resolution could be higher, and in fact is currently modeled with four times the resolution, but is scaled to where it is because of the hardware they are targeting.
By increasing the resolution does HT mean increasing the terrain Mesh resolution to get rid of the pyramid hills and straight angles?
So increase mesh resolution we could have something more like this? Which is actually a screen shot from another sim in 2008
(http://www.simflight.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/fsdreamscapes-yosemite_region_001.jpg)
Scaled back for the hardware they are targeting? Even if you take the recommended system and not minimum, that system is 2005/2006... Surely it's time we could move on another fives years to 2011 at least? How about DX11? Why still at DX9?
Like to know the average age of user computer systems, my guess most here play other games not just AH and the average system age would be 2-3 years.
They surely can't be still targeting users with systems and dial up connections from 2005/2006
It's not as if I am talking a bout the difference of a few years, 2005 is over 8 years ago.
<S>...-Gixer
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Targeting high end systems from 2011 when your game is a niche market devoted to the best flight model for WWII dogfighting (and some tanks and such) isn't the brilliant business plan you seem to think it is. You're thinking of Battlefield 3 or Assassin's Creed. Those are not competitors to this type of game. Even War Thunder and such aren't. The type of players that like arcade eye candy usually don't appreciate hard games.
What you target is the average performance of your loyal player base. If you can't appreciate the wisdom in that, well, prepare to stay disappointed for no real good reason.
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You're thinking of Battlefield 3 or Assassin's Creed. Those are not competitors to this type of game. Even War Thunder and such aren't. The type of players that like arcade eye candy usually don't appreciate hard games.
No I'm not at all, I'm thinking 2008 like that screen shot and move away from pyramids hills, straight angles, flat terrain, flat water and blue skies.
Certainly not thinking of console generation or graphics anything like BF3 or ARMA II etc.
<S>...-Gixer
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No I'm not at all, I'm thinking 2008 like that screen shot and move away from pyramids hills, straight angles, flat terrain, flat water and blue skies.
Certainly not thinking of console generation or graphics anything like BF3 or ARMA II etc.
<S>...-Gixer
I'm willing to volunteer as your zen master so your fixation on pointy mountains can fade into the background and you can once again enjoy a game that really has seen a great deal of improvement over the years. (You did enjoy this game at one point [ptp] didn't you?)
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-GBT0a6o25sE/TkFpNXgxTII/AAAAAAAAAU0/Bcg9zh9xnhQ/s1600/ancient_kung_fu_master_pai_mei.jpg)
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:lol
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I would be absolutely shocked if the average PC used by an AH player was remotely close to a 2011 gaming PC. Shocked. I would guess the average is equivalent to a 2007 gaming PC. Remember, many of our fellow players are older people or non-computer people who saw the add on TV and tried it out. They have off the shelf consumer PCs such that even a 2012 PC is unlikely to be more capable of 3D games than a 2007 gaming PC.
My PC is a 2005 gaming PC with a 2012 graphics card and I cannot run AH at full detail.
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Remember, many of our fellow players are older people or non-computer people who saw the add on TV and tried it out. They have off the shelf consumer PCs such that even a 2012 PC is unlikely to be more capable of 3D games than a 2007 gaming PC.
My PC is a 2005 gaming PC with a 2012 graphics card and I cannot run AH at full detail.
So what do you suggest , AH stays playable on 5 year old + computers because of a small older player base, or develop a new graphics engine,physics and FM to attract new customers and keep AH development going forward for the future?
They can always run two arenas, AH2 for old spec computers and AH3 for higher performance. Eventually the AH2 arena would die off along with it's customer base and could be closed down. Allowing the AH3 arena to continue and develop..
Unless of course HT doesn't have any plans to keep AH going, and happy to let it slowly die off which is what seems to be happening given the average MA peak numbers these days..
As for having a 2005 PC with a 2012 graphics card and not being able to run at full detail. That's because it's pointless to match a 2012 graphics card with a 2005 CPU,Mobo,Ram etc. Especially with AH since it is more CPU intensive than GPU and still only DX9. You probably could of saved a bit of money and just got a 2006/2008 graphics card, same performance..
<S>...-Gixer
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So what do you suggest , AH stays playable on 5 year old + computers because of a small older player base, or develop a new graphics engine,physics and FM to attract new customers and keep AH development going forward for the future?
I suggest you don't know what you think you know. The player base cannot simply be discarded with the assumption that a bunch of graphics first gamers will take their place. In addition HTC does not have 80 artists working to pump out those high poly count graphics that EA has. As to the engine, I trust HiTech is telling the truth when he says that this engine can do the stuff people are asking for, if HTC wanted to do that with it.
They can always run two arenas, AH2 for old spec computers and AH3 for higher performance. Eventually the AH2 arena would die off along with it's customer base and could be closed down. Allowing the AH3 arena to continue and develop..
No, you really can't with a small company. You end up having two development lines or you abandon the older line and lose those players.
Unless of course HT doesn't have any plans to keep AH going, and happy to let it slowly die off which is what seems to be happening given the average MA peak numbers these days..
I am sure HTC is more aware of the subscriber base and what it means for them than any player. I am also sure that suddenly pumping out the computer crippling graphics will not increase the player base.
As for having a 2005 PC with a 2012 graphics card and not being able to run at full detail. That's because it's pointless to match a 2012 graphics card with a 2005 CPU,Mobo,Ram etc. Especially with AH since it is more CPU intensive than GPU and still only DX9. You probably could of saved a bit of money and just got a 2006/2008 graphics card, same performance..<S>...-Gixer
Nope. 1) a friend gave me the card for free and 2) while my Athlon 64 4400 X2 is certainly not getting everything out of that card that a modern CPU would, it did noticeably improve the performance of the computer over the Dec. 2010 $100 budget card that was in it before, which was in turn an improvement over the $300 2008 video card that was in it before, which was a massive improvement over the 2006 $350 video card that was itself a massive improvement over the 2005 $300 video card that I put in it when I first built the computer.
The fact is that I would love to build a new PC, but I am not sure when that will happen. I used to do it every three years, but now it is coming up on eight years in September. I am hopeful I can build one soon, but I am not sure of it. Playing around with New Egg and retaining my existing video card and power supply I put the parts together for a nice I7 system for just under $1100, but for now that is a pipe dream.
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So what do you suggest , AH stays playable on 5 year old + computers because of a small older player base, or develop a new graphics engine,physics and FM to attract new customers and keep AH development going forward for the future?
They can always run two arenas, AH2 for old spec computers and AH3 for higher performance. Eventually the AH2 arena would die off along with it's customer base and could be closed down. Allowing the AH3 arena to continue and develop..
Unless of course HT doesn't have any plans to keep AH going, and happy to let it slowly die off which is what seems to be happening given the average MA peak numbers these days..
As for having a 2005 PC with a 2012 graphics card and not being able to run at full detail. That's because it's pointless to match a 2012 graphics card with a 2005 CPU,Mobo,Ram etc. Especially with AH since it is more CPU intensive than GPU and still only DX9. You probably could of saved a bit of money and just got a 2006/2008 graphics card, same performance..
<S>...-Gixer
Christ Gixer I do get sick of you walking around with a 'the world is ending' sandwich board on all the time.
Lets see, a game with a FM so good it allows almost limitless variation, and you are crying, if you truly loved the essence of what air combat is you would not be looking at how hi res your wing is.
War Thunder can have 32 players online, well big deal, Aces High can have 400+ I am guessing somewhere WT has made a compromise in aesthetics to accommodate this.
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What's really cool about War Thunder is the awesome F3 mode of play. :rolleyes:
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And you seem to lack the ability to have a conversation without making personal remarks on reading comprehension.
I never argued about the geometry of the terrain. I said that AH has not been using the same engine (per Hitech's statements) for 14 like you. And yet you kept on saying how I was wrong in on an argument I never had made. :huh So in that context the observation on your reading comprehension was totally valid.
Had you not acted obtuse to begin with, you wouldn't need to now be crying that I'm being mean to you. :lol
Your strongly defending changes the first 5 years of the last decade, but overlooking the 8 years and six months since 2005 where not a lot has happened (AH3?)..
I'm not defending anything. I certainly think AH looks dated and would hope to see improvements on the graphics. Just, unlike you, I'm believe in level headed reasoning and facts instead of hyperbolas and miss-information and utter nonsense to bring my points across.
There are many things in AH graphics that make me cringe nowadays.
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(http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/7136/qxm0.png)
Well, to me, every screenshot is a potential work of art.
;) :cheers:
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get it right, tank destroyer and there's 3 of them.
Just somethign else whos rounds will bounce off the drivers side windows of M3s and jeeps LOL
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(http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/7136/qxm0.png)
Well, to me, every screenshot is a potential work of art.
;) :cheers:
I agree, in the air I think it looks fine. Personally I think getting rid of the big pointy top hills would be good.
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Re: StuG III
« Reply #7 on: August 06, 2011, 10:36:25 AM »
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Quote from: SmokinLoon on August 06, 2011, 09:07:27 AM
I dunno, I'm torn between the StuG III and Su-100 for HTC's first turret-less AFV.
Both would be good editions, the StuG IIIG would not be perked and probably 25 eny without being perked, a nice offset would be the Jagdpanzer, a turretless tank destroyer with the 75mm L/70 (same gun on the Panther), however I believe it would be perked, on par with the Firefly but a little cheaper.
Seems my last wish for the Jagdpanzer was over 2 years ago, I couldn't find any dated topis I specifically remember posting for the tank back in 2004-2005.
Wishes do come true :aok
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So since were talking about td's, :rolleyes:
Why is it that at the first mention of them, ppl want to talk about the perks they will cost along with the other important aspects.
I can't see any reason why these models would have perks. Most of this has already been covered by posters, here and in other threads, but:
1. Most of time they will have engine running, probably not all of the time, as they will adapt to ambush tactics.
2. These models are built on top of an earlier chassis model behind the tank turret/gun each TD corresponds to. From what I've read/seen that was the case with all the German TDs, except the JagdTiger, being built on a Tiger2 chassis.
The only aspect that repeatedly is pointed out, is that some of the TDs will have the ability to shoot at very long ranges and stay out of the up close battles. I believe that all depends on the optical ability to zoom in like the models above the Pz4. If they can't see you at 4K+, then they sure aren't going to hit anything.
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So since were talking about td's, :rolleyes:
Why is it that at the first mention of them, ppl want to talk about the perks they will cost along with the other important aspects.
I can't see any reason why these models would have perks. Most of this has already been covered by posters, here and in other threads, but:
1. Most of time they will have engine running, probably not all of the time, as they will adapt to ambush tactics.
2. These models are built on top of an earlier chassis model behind the tank turret/gun each TD corresponds to. From what I've read/seen that was the case with all the German TDs, except the JagdTiger, being built on a Tiger2 chassis.
The only aspect that repeatedly is pointed out, is that some of the TDs will have the ability to shoot at very long ranges and stay out of the up close battles. I believe that all depends on the optical ability to zoom in like the models above the Pz4. If they can't see you at 4K+, then they sure aren't going to hit anything.
Think 'punch.' That's probably it.
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2. These models are built on top of an earlier chassis model behind the tank turret/gun each TD corresponds to. From what I've read/seen that was the case with all the German TDs, except the JagdTiger, being built on a Tiger2 chassis.
Look up the Jagpanther. ;)
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So since were talking about td's, :rolleyes:
Why is it that at the first mention of them, ppl want to talk about the perks they will cost along with the other important aspects.
I can't see any reason why these models would have perks. Most of this has already been covered by posters, here and in other threads, but:
1. Most of time they will have engine running, probably not all of the time, as they will adapt to ambush tactics.
2. These models are built on top of an earlier chassis model behind the tank turret/gun each TD corresponds to. From what I've read/seen that was the case with all the German TDs, except the JagdTiger, being built on a Tiger2 chassis.
The only aspect that repeatedly is pointed out, is that some of the TDs will have the ability to shoot at very long ranges and stay out of the up close battles. I believe that all depends on the optical ability to zoom in like the models above the Pz4. If they can't see you at 4K+, then they sure aren't going to hit anything.
I can't wait for the first time a Hetzer kills your Panther because you didn't see it...
And losing a Tiger II to a Jagdpanther that has to have its engine running, and has almost half of your armor...
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I can't wait for the first time a Hetzer kills your Panther because you didn't see it...
And losing a Tiger II to a Jagdpanther that has to have its engine running, and has almost half of your armor...
We shall see, because if you are correct, I will be the one in the Hetzer and doing what it is intended to do. I hope you are correct.
And the latter part mentioned probably won't happen anytime in the near future. I have uppd a Tiger 2 all of maybe half a dozen times. I don't like the ballistics of the Tiger(s) compared to the Panther. I my observation it appears to have much greater of an arc to its' shot. I dunno, but my experience in the Tiger would not get a very good review. The Panther and late T34 seem to have more advantage vs. perk price.
I hope you are correct about the lethality of the TD's, I think they are going to need it because of the lack of maneuverability. I can't wait. :banana:
:salute
Rot
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So now i want Russian TD's D:
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The era of the HP/DELL has past. Crank it up HiTech!
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Hope I can kill it with a jeep :cool:
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We shall see, because if you are correct, I will be the one in the Hetzer and doing what it is intended to do. I hope you are correct.
And the latter part mentioned probably won't happen anytime in the near future. I have uppd a Tiger 2 all of maybe half a dozen times. I don't like the ballistics of the Tiger(s) compared to the Panther. I my observation it appears to have much greater of an arc to its' shot. I dunno, but my experience in the Tiger would not get a very good review. The Panther and late T34 seem to have more advantage vs. perk price.
I hope you are correct about the lethality of the TD's, I think they are going to need it because of the lack of maneuverability. I can't wait. :banana:
:salute
Rot
Tiger 2 gun has one of the flattest trajectories in the game the only thing you can't knock out with it is another tiger2 atleast from the front anyways
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I need a SPG with bird view. :D
WTG HTC on new TDs :aok
I will be back in new version...:)
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The era of the HP/DELL has past. Crank it up HiTech!
http://www.dell.com
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http://www.dell.com
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(http://forums.watchuseek.com/attachments/f20/712657d1337394705-need-some-help-identifying-watch-what-gen-seamaster-thanks-point_over_your_head.jpg)
You know what I meant. Good to see some of the old guard still around.
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(http://forums.watchuseek.com/attachments/f20/712657d1337394705-need-some-help-identifying-watch-what-gen-seamaster-thanks-point_over_your_head.jpg)
You know what I meant. Good to see some of the old guard still around.
Thanks (though I don't consider myself old or guard when it comes to AH). :D
I do indeed know what you mean but .... you may be surprised how many stock Dell users play Aces High still. Partly because Dale doesn't dis their Dell.
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Thanks (though I don't consider myself old or guard when it comes to AH). :D
I do indeed know what you mean but .... you may be surprised how many stock Dell users play Aces High still. Partly because Dale doesn't dis their Dell.
(http://i828.photobucket.com/albums/zz208/RHWoods/SMILEY/dispair_zpse735226b.png) (http://media.photobucket.com/user/RHWoods/media/SMILEY/dispair_zpse735226b.png.html)
my stock dell tis awesome
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(http://www.voont.com/files/images/edit/advice/computer/hotrod.jpg)
(http://www.ulyssys.com/uf/Image/DELL/720xps_fc_01.jpg)
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(No, just intardnet picses) :D
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The era of the HP/DELL has past. Crank it up HiTech!
And yet Intel's graphic card market share increased this year (63.4%), while AMD (19.7%) and NVidia (16.9%) both lost market share, in the desktop market.
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And yet Intel's graphic card market share increased this year (63.4%), while AMD (19.7%) and NVidia (16.9%) both lost market share, in the desktop market.
Is that statistic including Laptops? Therefore Intel graphic cards vs AMD,Nvidia doesn't surprise me. Most however who use Laptops or esp PC's for gaming are always going to go for an extra GPU or two.
Intel card isn't much use for anything other than Desktop graphics or very basic game graphics.
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Gixer,
What you're not seeming to understand is that most people who play games on their PCs don't have a gaming PC or laptop. Those of us who custom build a gaming PC or buy an expensive gaming laptop are a minority of gamers and if any company who depended on PC sales, even Blizzard, was to target the level of PC you've suggested (2011 era gaming PC) as the minimum they would go under. In single player games or co-op multiplayer games graphics can be changed from very low to very high at only the cost of a bit of development time, but in a PvP multi-player game the cover objects (trees, bushed, hills, buildings, smoke, clouds, sun) must all be the same on all detail levels and this greatly constrains the range of graphics options available to be minimized.
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Firstly, good job on the TDs; now we need an SU-100. :-) The new German TDs are about as tactically viable as the gun-armed M3, sacrificing speed but posessing better guns / armor. Given their lack of turrets, I think only the Jagdpanther should be perked.
<snip> What I would like to see is a much higher polygon count terrain map which would dispense with the need for the small, repetitive hillocks that are pasted onto the current low resolution terrain maps in order to give the tanks something other than large, flat, treed planes to fight on. <snip>
Fancy graphics have *nothing* to do with to GV play quality. The tactically limiting dead-flat maps with the "small repetitive hillocks" also have nothing to do with graphics, but only with maps designed without consideration for GV tactical maneuvering (probably because GVs were not common when they were designed). BTW, the hillocks themselves are good, but you need medium-scale hills and valleys to put them on.
Furthermore, the sharp-edged terrain (ridges etc.) some are complaining about is actually good for GVs, as it gives something to maneuver / hide behind. If you smooth those out too much, you tend to reduce everything to the "flat treed planes" (sic; should be “plains”). Otherwise, attention is drawn to the sound of the moving GV, you look in that direction, and if it’s a flat plain, you see it immediately and take appropriate steps. Thus the maneuver option is greatly reduced, thus making GV game play less interesting.
MH
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Why are we getting ground creepers when there are more important things to be getting on with? :headscratch:
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Why are we getting ground creepers when there are more important things to be getting on with? :headscratch:
Because lots of players like to use them, and HTC is a business?
MH
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Why are we getting ground creepers when there are more important things to be getting on with? :headscratch:
for instance?
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They look great, HTC. Tanks are helping to keep this game going, so I have no problem with more of them.
That said, how is the new Boomerang coming along? :)
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Cleaning up the AH1 3D models for a start.
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Nope, "planes" was correct for what I was referring to. I wasn't talking about open grasslands, plains, I was speaking of geometric planes.
Cleaning up the AH1 3D models for a start.
I'd guess we'll see one or more updated models shown soon. I am still betting on the Yaks.
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Nope, "planes" was correct for what I was referring to. I wasn't talking about open grasslands, plains, I was speaking of geometric planes.I'd guess we'll see one or more updated models shown soon. I am still betting on the Yaks.
Did any yaks have under-wing gun pods
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Did any yaks have under-wing gun pods
Not as far as I know, but I am not remotely an expert on Yaks.
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http://www.wio.ru/tacftr/yak.htm
http://www.airpages.ru/eng/ru/yak3.shtml
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Well it looks like I'm stuck with rearming to achieve more than 4 kills
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Is that statistic including Laptops? Therefore Intel graphic cards vs AMD,Nvidia doesn't surprise me. Most however who use Laptops or esp PC's for gaming are always going to go for an extra GPU or two.
Intel card isn't much use for anything other than Desktop graphics or very basic game graphics.
<S>...-Gixer
Those stats are the discrete chip sales. Could be a laptop, could be a desktop. Intel's market has actually shrunk due to the inclusion of the graphics chip into the CPU. Those are not counted in the stats, which dropped Intel from a high of 68.3% to what it is today.
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I'm just wondering how this turned into Gixer trying to tell Hitech he doesn't know what hes doing.
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I'm just wondering how this turned into Gixer trying to tell Hitech he doesn't know what hes doing.
(http://www.demotivationalposters.org/image/demotivational-poster/small/0912/implied-facepalm-implied-facepalm-demotivational-poster-1259858393.jpg)
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:rofl :rofl :rofl
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Those stats are the discrete chip sales. Could be a laptop, could be a desktop. Intel's market has actually shrunk due to the inclusion of the graphics chip into the CPU. Those are not counted in the stats, which dropped Intel from a high of 68.3% to what it is today.
So why make a comparison in market share of Intel graphics chips (assume you are referring to 3500,4000 chips), which are a mainstream chip not designed for gaming and installed in most laptops for their power saving 2D graphic attributes.
Compared to AMD, Nvidia who make dedicated GPU's that cost up to $1000 each?
<S>...-Gixer
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So why make a comparison in market share of Intel graphics chips (assume you are referring to 3500,4000 chips), which are a mainstream chip not designed for gaming and installed in most laptops for their power saving 2D graphic attributes.
Compared to AMD, Nvidia who make dedicated GPU's that cost up to $1000 each?
<S>...-Gixer
What percentage of people who play games on their PC have a gaming video card? What percentage have a high end gaming video card?
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What percentage of people who play games on their PC have a gaming video card? What percentage have a high end gaming video card?
No idea, ask in the 3DGuru, Nvidia or AMD forums..
But whether it's a laptop or desktop PC, I doubt very few who play games beyond Solitaire and Minecraft on a regular basis, would use a Intel 3500/4000 graphics chip.
<S>...-Gixer
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No idea, ask in the 3DGuru, Nvidia or AMD forums..
But whether it's a laptop or desktop PC, I doubt very few who play games beyond Solitaire and Minecraft on a regular basis, would use a Intel 3500/4000 graphics chip.
<S>...-Gixer
I do...... I have to turn the graphics down to near nothing, but I can still run games on a 6 year old laptop.
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I do...... I have to turn the graphics down to near nothing, but I can still run games on a 6 year old laptop.
(http://imageshack.us/a/img708/5575/lotg.png)
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I do...... I have to turn the graphics down to near nothing, but I can still run games on a 6 year old laptop.
When i started playing in 2006 it was on a basic desktop not intended for gaming but AHI ran fine on it. When two came out I went ahead and bought a gaming machine because I had everything turned down on that poor desktop and it looked worse than AH1. I know some where back in this thread there was arguing over AH1 vs AH2. Pretty sure there were a lot of people lost because of that, some gained.
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But whether it's a laptop or desktop PC, I doubt very few who play games beyond Solitaire and Minecraft on a regular basis, would use a Intel 3500/4000 graphics chip.
<S>...-Gixer
You'd be wrong about how small the number is, and of those that do have a gaming card most will be budget cards.
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You'd be wrong about how small the number is, and of those that do have a gaming card most will be budget cards.
Mine is not a budget card (nVidia GTX 660Ti)and I still get low frame rates at times because my FAMILY uses MY COCKPIT computer for:
iTunes
Weird crap that gets "accidentally" installed when I'm gone
4 different cameras downloading photos of crap that I don't care about
Windows Update keeps getting turned on
Free malware protection downloads because my wife thinks we need it and then goes into conflict
Sheesh! Having a family is tough
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(http://imageshack.us/a/img708/5575/lotg.png)
Because I'm cheap :aok.
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What percentage of people who play games on their PC have a gaming video card? What percentage have a high end gaming video card?
What percentage play Aces High that's the real question.
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What percentage play Aces High that's the real question.
I'd wager the ratio is even more slanted toward low-end in this niche community featuring
a game that is low-end friendly.
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I'd wager the ratio is even more slanted toward low-end in this niche community featuring
a game that is low-end friendly.
As would I. The game also appeals to an older market which is often less tech savvy.
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<snip>
But whether it's a laptop or desktop PC, I doubt very few who play games beyond Solitaire and Minecraft on a regular basis, would use a Intel 3500/4000 graphics chip.
That is incredibly incorrect.
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I tried to access the steam hardware survey but couldn't read any stats :headscratch:
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That is incredibly incorrect.
That is incredible pwnage
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That is incredible pwnage
that is incredible brown nosing
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that is incredible brown nosing
That is incredibly obvious LOL
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That is incredibly obvious LOL
That's incredibly jealous that neither of you posted it first :D
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That is incredibly incorrect.
How so?
Intel 3500/4000 is designed as low voltage power use chip, which is why actual laptop marketed for gaming have Intel chip to save battery when using desktop in 2D and switch to a dedicated GPU for 3D gaming, since the Nvidia or AMD GPU's consume a lot more power either in 2D or 3D on a laptop you need the dual graphics chips to conserve battery..
Even the sub $800 laptop I had use of last year, was a dual graphics machine. However the Intel 4000 couldn't even run Civ 5 at minimum settings output to a external monitor let alone 3D games. Which is why it also had a built in Nvidia 6xx series GPU. The 6xx series GPU could run AH2 at average settings but not when displayed to external monitor would always have stutters at 60fps and whether AH2 was at absolute min setting or high, but AH2 is more CPU dependent anyway, which I think from memory it had a quad core 2.2 ghz cpu and 8gb ram..
Sure you might be able to play BF3 on a Intel 4000 but that will be BF3 at lowest possible graphic settings and low res. Try and output to a bigger monitor and higher resolution and it will turn into a slideshow.
Anyone who is interested in gaming on a laptop beyond Mario brothers and pre 2005 games isn't going to put up with a Intel 3500/4000 chip for long. I couldn't even tolerate the internal 6 series GPU, Laptop always became too hot no matter what the cooling pad after extensive time. Went back to a desktop and even a 5 series GPU was significantly better output to a 24" display.
<S>...-Gixer
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my guess is most these guys are old enough to not care about the graphics, they just want the game to run.
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No idea, ask in the 3DGuru, Nvidia or AMD forums..
But whether it's a laptop or desktop PC, I doubt very few who play games beyond Solitaire and Minecraft on a regular basis, would use a Intel 3500/4000 graphics chip.
<S>...-Gixer
I have a GMA X3100 intel chip :rofl
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Gixer,
I suspect your view of things is biased based on what you and those you interact with in reality use. All of my friends have gaming PCs, but I know we're in the minority. Many, many PC game players get by on embedded chips because they aren't technically savvy (we've had players here who are active on the forums post in frustration on the hardware forum after their brand new PC they thought was going to hold 60fps at max detail couldn't even do max detail at all because they had bought a good CPU business PC) or can't afford to buy a gaming PC (generally more expensive than a business PC) or aren't into games enough to justify it or some other reason.
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Karnak,
Sorry I don't get your point in relation to the original statistic Skuzzy posted % use of graphics chips. I don't think your small group of friends and own PC use experience in any way reflects the entire global gaming PC market, even though you try and state otherwise.. Nvidia/AMD cater for low,mid and high end graphics cards, they always have. If someone wants to play games on a PC but can't even afford a low level gaming card then maybe they should look at a PS2 or something.
Also why I suggested asking on 3DGuru,AMD or Nvidia forums, run a poll see what the average age (series) of graphics card is in use today since the AH2 community is certainly not a measure given it's such a very small and niche community.
<S>...-Gixer
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Karnak,
I don't think your small group of friends and own PC use experience in any way reflects the entire global gaming PC market, even though you try and state otherwise.
What?!? I said the exact opposite. My friends and I all use purpose built gaming computers. Even my 7.5 year old system was a purpose built gaming computer. I spent over $700 on just the CPU. The fact that I haven't been able to afford to replace it doesn't change the fact that it was a gaming PC.
You're the one claiming that gamers all use gaming PCs just like you (and I am guessing your friends) do, not me.
I am claiming people playing games have a much wider range of hardware they use than you are crediting. Specifically the low range is a lot larger of a percentage of them than you are willing to accept.
Also why I suggested asking on 3DGuru,AMD or Nvidia forums, run a poll see what the average age (series) of graphics card is in use today since the AH2 community is certainly not a measure given it's such a very small and niche community.
Asking a self selected group of PC gaming enthusiasts what they use is completely wrong to determine what people use.
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Tiger 2 gun has one of the flattest trajectories in the game the only thing you can't knock out with it is another tiger2 atleast from the front anyways
That may be, but I was referring to the Tiger 1, I really can't speak for the TII. I'm sure you are probably correct on it, it just seemed to me at the time that they felt the same. Idk when the last time I uppd a TII, I think a few weeks ago when there were tanks on the base, but before that it had been considerable time.
I'll have to look into the Tiger I gun vs. the Panther more, and see if my memory of the arc shot is incorrect, however being able to kill anything with the cannon mounted to it really isn't relevant. For me it's the feel of the optic I'm accustomed to with the Panther, and in the Tiger I felt my aim was poorer/less accurate.
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:salute
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(http://imageshack.us/a/img708/5575/lotg.png)
:rofl :rofl :rofl
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Tiger 2 gun has one of the flattest trajectories in the game the only thing you can't knock out with it is another tiger2 atleast from the front anyways
You haven't ran into dr7, have ya? :lol He's knocked out my KT with his KT, with both of us having our nose to each other. He found the sweet spot before I did. :bhead
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Also why I suggested asking on 3DGuru,AMD or Nvidia forums, run a poll see what the average age (series) of graphics card is in use today since the AH2 community is certainly not a measure given it's such a very small and niche community.
It would be better to use the data from the poll Steam conducts every year to see what systems and hardware people are running.
ack-ack
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And yet Intel's graphic card market share increased this year (63.4%), while AMD (19.7%) and NVidia (16.9%) both lost market share, in the desktop market.
Thanks to AKAK's recommendation we can look at actual GPU usage on monthly basis stats taken from Steam users. Which is probably as good a snapshot of PC gamers anywhere available on the net.
PC Video Card Usage By Manufacture
http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey
NVIDIA 52.2%
ATI 33.72%
INTEL 13.72%
As expected Intel is lowest by long margin and very small market share in gaming compared to Nvidia and ATI
OVERALL DISTRIBUTION OF CARDS
DirectX 11 GPU 58.33%
DirectX 10 GPU 35.87%
Direct X 9 Shader Model 2b and 3.0 GPUs 2.51%
Direct x9 Shader MOdel 2.0 GPU 1.49%
Direct x9 GPU and below 1.80%
Direct x8 (2000 - 2002)
Direct x9 (2002 - 2006)
DIrect x10 (2006 - 2009)
Direct x11 (2009 - current)
Majority of gamers have DX11 GPUs at 58% Majority age of GPUs in Gamers PC's is less than 4 years old and more likely to be less than 3 years old.
That is incredibly incorrect.
No it looks like your reference of overall graphics card usage is incredibly incorrect when looking at actual GPU's used by gamers. And since this is a game forum, probably more relevant than including large portion of graphic chips in laptops which are used for business and not gaming.
What?!? I said the exact opposite. My friends and I all use purpose built gaming computers. Even my 7.5 year old system was a purpose built gaming computer. I spent over $700 on just the CPU. The fact that I haven't been able to afford to replace it doesn't change the fact that it was a gaming PC.
You're the one claiming that gamers all use gaming PCs just like you (and I am guessing your friends) do, not me.
The statistics above show that average gaming PC is much higher spec (don't have time to go over other components only looked at GPUs) then you are trying to propose and equal to my expectation that average gaming PC is going to be 2-3 years old.
Since to keep up with current crop of games every couple years and to run them at high resolution and high detail you need to keep upgrading every 2-3 years, maybe every 4 if you don't mind turning down the graphics further.
Fact that you have a system which is almost 8 years old and that it cost $700 just for CPU is irrelevant, in it's day it was a gaming PC but that time has long gone and in computer terms it's prehistoric today.
Keep in mind my cell phone today has a quad core 1.6Ghz CPU and 2Gb Ram. Next years phones (if not already) will probably be 2.0ghz and 4Gb Ram.
I think in past posts, you've stated you installed a new high end DX11 graphics card, if that’s attached to a 7.5 year old system just going to create a big bottleneck.
Recently I built a sub $800 system for a friend and it can comfortable run F1 2012 at Ultra settings 60fps doesn't cost much today to build a medium level PC for current games and it will easily be able to play games at high-ultra settings for the next couple years.
But at the end of the day AH2 is still a pre 2005 game engine DX9 and with it's tiny niche player base who might have 8 year old + computers still gives them something to play if they turn down the graphics.
Would be interesting to know AH players average gaming computer spec. I would bet that it's considerably higher and more in line with the Steam statistics, since most players probably play other games and not just AH.
<S>...-Gixer
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but what's it's climbrate?
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Steam is not a reflection of our client base. Not even close. The real statistics come much closer to our reality.
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I think gixer is asking to dump the current playerbase in favour of the masses who wouldn't have the patience to play this game anyway. In other words become war thunder
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AcesHigh's majority are of the Pentium II, voodoo3 PC's variety.
:noid
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Steam is not a reflection of our client base. Not even close. The real statistics come much closer to our reality.
Well since HT isn't willing to share "the real statistics" or allow a forum based user poll. Can only go by what's publicaly available.
Ask the question, does the game match the current user base, or does the user base match the current state of the game visually.
Anyway, can't discuss any further, I've already received PM from HT.
I think gixer is asking to dump the current playerbase in favour of the masses who wouldn't have the patience to play this game anyway. In other words become war thunder
Sorry can't discuss any further see my reply to Skuzzy.
Someone will have to open a dedicated thread with HT approval to discuss.
<S>...-Gixer
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I'd rather have the fantastic flight model and lots of interesting toy planes than photorealistic landscapes myself. My flying started some time ago as a space pilot in the wireframe universe which was Elite on the BBC Model B, so AH looks brilliant to me. As long as I pretty well know where the ground is and have the good sense to fly in the other direction, I'm happy. :banana:
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I'd rather have the fantastic flight model and lots of interesting toy planes than photorealistic landscapes myself. My flying started some time ago as a space pilot in the wireframe universe which was Elite on the BBC Model B, so AH looks brilliant to me. As long as I pretty well know where the ground is and have the good sense to fly in the other direction, I'm happy. :banana:
This.
MH
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I'd rather have the fantastic flight model and lots of interesting toy planes than photorealistic landscapes myself. My flying started some time ago as a space pilot in the wireframe universe which was Elite on the BBC Model B, so AH looks brilliant to me. As long as I pretty well know where the ground is and have the good sense to fly in the other direction, I'm happy. :banana:
Those who would trade essential graphics for an above average flight model deserve neither. :old:
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Those who would trade essential graphics for an above average flight model deserve neither. :old:
Wasn't that a quote from one of flight simmings most hallowed four fathers (thank cod we only had four - still, mother wasn't sure), Benjammin Henry?
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Those who would trade essential graphics for an above average flight model deserve neither. :old:
so, which graphics are "essential"?
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so, which graphics are "essential"?
Gunsite. Enemy plane. Horizon.
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Gunsite. Enemy plane. Horizon.
wasn't talking to you peanut... :neener: :D
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so, which graphics are "essential"?
Is the flight model so dear, or view distance so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me awesome graphics or give me death!
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"And so, my fellow Aces Highers, ask not what your graphics can do for you; ask what you can do for your graphics. My fellow players of the game, ask not what Aces High will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of Aces High."
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Those who would trade essential graphics for an above average flight model deserve neither. :old:
I think we have what is essential. There are plenty of eye candy games available.
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Is the flight model so dear, or view distance so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me awesome graphics or give me death!
wish granted...you can now go to warthunder or world of warplanes and enjoy the "awesome graphics" without being held back by the view distance or the flight model.
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"Mr. Gorbachev, open the graphics. Mr. Gorbachev — Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!"
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wish granted...you can now go to warthunder or world of warplanes and enjoy the "awesome graphics" without being held back by the view distance or the flight model.
Slightly less than three quarters of a score years ago, HTC brought forth on the internet, a new WWII combat flight sim, conceived in awesomeness, and dedicated to the proposition that graphics are the Ace of Spades in any online game.
Now we are engaged in a great fuss war, testing whether that game, or any game so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure not having photo realistic graphics. We are met on a great battlefield of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who quit the game because their minds weren't graphically stimulated. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.
But, in a larger sense, we cannot dedicate—we cannot consecrate—we cannot hallow—this ground. The graphics engine wouldn't allow any immersion anyway. The brave men, active and inactive, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the active player, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished graphical work which they who fussed here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us—that from these honored inactive pilots we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion—that we here get true high resolution gameplay, that these inactive shall not have fussed in vain—that this game, under Dale, shall have a new birth of graphical awesomeness— and that HTC, shall not perish from the internet.
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I think we have what is essential. There are plenty of eye candy games available.
The graphical tree of online gaming must be refreshed from time to time with the realistic looking blood of gamers and developers.
Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Flight Sims long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that flight sim enthusiasts are more disposed to suffer, while graphics are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the blocky forms and unrealistic terrains to which they are accustomed.
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The graphical tree of online gaming must be refreshed from time to time with the realistic looking blood of gamers and developers.
Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Flight Sims long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that flight sim enthusiasts are more disposed to suffer, while graphics are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the blocky forms and unrealistic terrains to which they are accustomed.
Have you been drinking with Bustr Triton? :old:
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Have you been drinking with Bustr Triton? :old:
:rofl
I am but a humble reporter of the epic struggle before us. :old:
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(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/25/M26_Pershing_Tank_Fort_Dix.jpg)
Does this mean I can have the Pershing?
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Does this mean I can have the Pershing?
That particular Pershing?
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I'd rather have the fantastic flight model and lots of interesting toy planes than photorealistic landscapes myself. My flying started some time ago as a space pilot in the wireframe universe which was Elite on the BBC Model B, so AH looks brilliant to me. As long as I pretty well know where the ground is and have the good sense to fly in the other direction, I'm happy. :banana:
Elite II on Atari ST is to blame for my lack of life <3
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That particular Pershing?
World War 2 period Pershing. :)
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World War 2 period Pershing. :)
That one? :)
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That one? :)
No no no no :old:
He means the other one :neener:
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I don't think I would rewrite Abraham Lincoln or Payne. Maybe Robespierre, Locke, or de Tocqueville. Certainty Trudeau and Bill the Cat along with all the hairy fish nuts salted with Billy and the Boingers lyrics.
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I don't think I would rewrite Abraham Lincoln or Payne. Maybe Robespierre, Locke, or de Tocqueville. Certainty Trudeau and Bill the Cat along with all the hairy fish nuts salted with Billy and the Boingers lyrics.
ya i agree, you're too long winded and prone to off target tangents...song lyrics would be better suited for you. :neener:
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I don't think I would rewrite Abraham Lincoln or Payne. Maybe Robespierre, Locke, or de Tocqueville. Certainty Trudeau and Bill the Cat along with all the hairy fish nuts salted with Billy and the Boingers lyrics.
Actually Von Clausewitz would be much more apropo.
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is it just me or has anyone else ever wondered if Bustr has been highlighted on an episode of Doomsday Preppers???
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That's ok, if it were this easy, we wouldn't need lawyers to screw us on this rock, or rocket scientists to get us off this rock. More often I just see more connections relevant to the subject. I miss the PBS series "Connections".
So we got our modern hoe for gardening from a British lawyer and agriculturalist in the 1700's named "Jethro Tull". The modern pop band "Jethro Tull" often themed songs about old agrarian practices and myths. Song lyrics Gyrene need some kind of source or inspiration. Connections........nothing truly exists alone.
As in your case the uncomfortable origin of the term leatherneck turned into a badge of honor. How's Chesty doing guarding those heavenly streets........
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No no no no :old:
He means the other one :neener:
He can't have the other one.
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As in your case the uncomfortable origin of the term leatherneck turned into a badge of honor. How's Chesty doing guarding those heavenly streets........
can you imagine what the nickname would have been if someone had noted the amount of perspiration build up in those collars?
just think about john wayne in "the flying sweatynecks"... :lol
i heard rumor that Chesty was trying to organize a heavenly militia...not sure how far that has gotten though.
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“Of all the passions that inspire a man in a battle, none, we have to admit, is so powerful and so constant as the longing for pretty mountains and tidal action along the coastal areas of a map.”
― Triton von Clausewitz
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“Of all the passions that inspire a man in a battle, none, we have to admit, is so powerful and so constant as the longing for pretty mountains and tidal action along the coastal areas of a map.”
― Triton von Clausewitz
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That's ok, if it were this easy, we wouldn't need lawyers to screw us on this rock, or rocket scientists to get us off this rock. More often I just see more connections relevant to the subject. I miss the PBS series "Connections".
So we got our modern hoe for gardening from a British lawyer and agriculturalist in the 1700's named "Jethro Tull". The modern pop band "Jethro Tull" often themed songs about old agrarian practices and myths. Song lyrics Gyrene need some kind of source or inspiration. Connections........nothing truly exists alone.
As in your case the uncomfortable origin of the term leatherneck turned into a badge of honor. How's Chesty doing guarding those heavenly streets........
"Modern pop band Jethro Tull"? :rofl
Are you 105?
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So we got our modern hoe for gardening from a British lawyer and agriculturalist in the 1700's named "Jethro Tull".
i can't find any source that says mr. tull achieved a degree in law. and i believe the greeks and romans used hoe's long before mr. tull "invented" them, unless you're talking about the horse drawn variety which is different.
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That's ok, if it were this easy, we wouldn't need lawyers to screw us on this rock, or rocket scientists to get us off this rock. More often I just see more connections relevant to the subject. I miss the PBS series "Connections".
So we got our modern hoe for gardening from a British lawyer and agriculturalist in the 1700's named "Jethro Tull". The modern pop band "Jethro Tull" often themed songs about old agrarian practices and myths. Song lyrics Gyrene need some kind of source or inspiration. Connections........nothing truly exists alone.
As in your case the uncomfortable origin of the term leatherneck turned into a badge of honor. How's Chesty doing guarding those heavenly streets........
Did you just use Chesty Puller's name in vain? Seriously? Chesty doesn't guard the heavenly streets Mr So-old-I-fart-dust because they dont need guarding. Chesty guards God Almighty himself. Carlos Hathcock has the Pearly Gates covered from 1500 meters with iron sites only, Lt. Michael Murphy, PO2 Matt Axelson, and PO2 Danny Deitz recon the area between Heaven and Hell.
Get it right or go home Bustr
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Chesty guards God Almighty himself.
Good night, Chesty Puller, wherever you are!
Gunzo
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My flying started some time ago as a space pilot in the wireframe universe which was Elite on the BBC Model B, so AH looks brilliant to me.
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My orignal ELITE box (Schneider CPC, internationally known as Armstrad), almost 30 years old now. Still including all handbooks and the novel :rock
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You haven't ran into dr7, have ya? :lol He's knocked out my KT with his KT, with both of us having our nose to each other. He found the sweet spot before I did. :bhead
No I have not ran into him in TII. IIRC, I've only had one extended shooting battle in a TII, with Bruv in a TII and someone else shooting me. Bruv and the other killed my TII and then a friendly bombed him.
Now I'm going to have to up each of the three find a fixed point and refresh myself on the ballistics, will report back.
:cheers:
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(http://i1145.photobucket.com/albums/o507/Snaildude/elite_zpsf4d560b4.jpg)
My orignal ELITE box (Schneider CPC, internationally known as Armstrad), almost 30 years old now. Still including all handbooks and the novel :rock
:rofl :aok I've got the original box with 5 inch floppy too. Even got the BBC Model B computer somewhere :old:
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Even got the BBC Model B computer somewhere :old:
You are soo old.
:P
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Did you just use Chesty Puller's name in vain? Seriously? Chesty doesn't guard the heavenly streets Mr So-old-I-fart-dust because they dont need guarding. Chesty guards God Almighty himself. Carlos Hathcock has the Pearly Gates covered from 1500 meters with iron sites only, Lt. Michael Murphy, PO2 Matt Axelson, and PO2 Danny Deitz recon the area between Heaven and Hell.
Get it right or go home Bustr
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(http://s909.photobucket.com/user/Changeup1/media/animoticon_zps48f9826d.gif.html)
Damn! that's pretty good :aok :D
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We have an eclectic membership, that's for certain. :aok
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Happy to see more tanks or in this case assault guns. The most produced German armored vehicle was assault guns and the Stug III was the most common. I personally would have rather saw the Stug III and Stug IV over the Jagdpanther but the Hetzer-38 is a good choice. However I will be using that new Jagdpanther as soon as it shows up. Great job HTC thanks.