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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Nath[BDP] on September 30, 2013, 10:32:57 PM
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http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/09/30/20759574-caught-on-video-father-with-family-in-suv-chased-beaten-by-speed-demon-bikers?lite
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:lol
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I was expecting to see some 1% bikers...... :O
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bunch of wanna be bikers.
semp
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why didn't the suv just drive to a police station... :headscratch:
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The sportbike "Bike Night" crowd are some of the most nefarious individuals one will find. I went to ONE bike night and realized pretty quick it was a bunch of squids who couldn't ride with more testosterone than brains.
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pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop <re-load> pop pop pop pop pop pop pop <re-load>
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pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop <re-load> pop pop pop pop pop pop pop <re-load>
crash, bump, bump, bump, bump, crash, bump, bump, bump...
semp
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I was expecting to see some 1% bikers...... :O
Not on slant bikes, lol.
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Not one of those (*ahem*) fellows is a biker.
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Not one of those (*ahem*) fellows is a biker.
Way too clean to be "bikers". Looks like they showered once or twice this week.
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yeah no bikers in that bunch, just a bunch of punks, and if I were in that vehicle there would have been some smashed bikes too :lol
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lol, idiot ricers on doolites...
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pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop <re-load> pop pop pop pop pop pop pop <re-load>
:rofl :aok
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pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop <re-load> pop pop pop pop pop pop pop <re-load>
:aok Exactly, with some crunch crunch thrown in..
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Had I been driving the suv some of those dudes would have been practicing high speed get off's and flying W's.
shamus
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pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop <re-load> pop pop pop pop pop pop pop <re-load>
Not in NYC....Bloombergtopia
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Those arn't Bikers.... those are just rice rocket pukes.
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Before we jump on the stupidity of both parties one of those guys run over is now a paraplegic. These events don't start in a vacuum.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/10/01/new-york-man-celebrating-first-anniversary-with-wife-child-left-for-dead-after/
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Before we jump on the stupidity of both parties one of those guys run over is now a paraplegic. These events don't start in a vacuum.
don't know about everyone else but, i'm just jumping on the complete stupid of the ricer idiots. what kicked the whole deal off was an act of complete stupid with a group of complete stupid that won't ever be anything but complete stupid. they should all be politicians...
as for injuries to any of that group... :banana:
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When the now paraplegic saw the rest of those goofs pounding on the car and slashing the tires it would have been prudent to move from in front of the car, you have to expect someone with a wife and 2 year old as passengers to try and get away. This kind of feral pack mentality is quite common.
shamus
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don't know about everyone else but, i'm just jumping on the complete stupid of the ricer idiots. what kicked the whole deal off was an act of complete stupid with a group of complete stupid that won't ever be anything but complete stupid. they should all be politicians...
as for injuries to any of that group... :banana:
Unfortunately what matters now is the law. You're going to have two families completely destroyed. One by being a paraplegic, and the other by a personal injury lawyer going after everything asset they have to pay for the new paraplegic.
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Unfortunately what matters now is the law. You're going to have two families completely destroyed. One by being a paraplegic, and the other by a personal injury lawyer going after everything asset they have to pay for the new paraplegic.
with that video,the media coverage, and a jury whose average iq is above their shoe size, a 2 bit ambulance chaser could win that suit...
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I was expecting to see some 1% bikers...... :O
If it'd had been 1%ers the SUV driver would have politely waited because he'd know to do otherwise would get him killed. I have no problem running over a Yamaha.....a Harley, Triumph or Indian is another matter. :D
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Been chased by hooligans before, helps to know hooligans yourself. Called ahead and lead the 2 suvs full of cowards swinging skate boards and tire irons into a coldasak to meet up with a handful of our friends with bats and other things. The newly brave guys remembered that they were cowards and drove off. Of course I would handle things differently nowadays.
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Before we jump on the stupidity of both parties one of those guys run over is now a paraplegic. These events don't start in a vacuum.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/10/01/new-york-man-celebrating-first-anniversary-with-wife-child-left-for-dead-after/
Good. Maybe that will sink in with this trash and wake a few up.
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I never have that problem.
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Good. Maybe that will sink in with this trash and wake a few up.
+1
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they would have got a lot worse had i been driving with my wife and child. the first dude that got hit deserved it too he pulled in front of the suv and braked . biker gang was driving recklessly and illegal i woulda threw it in reverse at the end and just kept plowing them over till i seen a cop...... :cheers:
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Yes! So much yes!
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Seems the biker gang was out looking to cause trouble.
http://www.wnd.com/2013/10/black-biker-gang-beats-suv-driver-in-nyc/
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all they do is intimidate fellow drivers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxiJh15fiic (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxiJh15fiic)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRl-PG74pVQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRl-PG74pVQ)
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Seems the biker gang was out looking to cause trouble.
http://www.wnd.com/2013/10/black-biker-gang-beats-suv-driver-in-nyc/
I am now dumber for having clicked on that link.
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check out this one they assault a driver of a prius when he refuses to stop for their roadblock
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ujSkztMRrs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ujSkztMRrs)
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Gasp... the guy is a Parapalegic.... choices people. He entered the guys lane, brakes his 500 pound bike in front of a 6000 suv. Choices. Reap what you sow. Not even an ounce of sympathy. If anything that paraplegic bike rider needs to pay for the therapy for the poor suv drivers kid...
I am with slash, but my pops come in sevens....
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Gasp... the guy is a Parapalegic.... choices people. He entered the guys lane, brakes his 500 pound bike in front of a 6000 suv. Choices. Reap what you sow. Not even an ounce of sympathy. If anything that paraplegic bike rider needs to pay for the therapy for the poor suv drivers kid...
I am with slash, but my pops come in sevens....
I have 8 round Wilson Combat mags :D
Looking back I'm short a few pops :bhead
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I never have that problem.
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Nice :aok :aok
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It has been really hard to find primers (finally got some out at Cabela's). Now, back into full swing, 230gr FMJ ahead of 5.4 gr powder, reloading away. I went to Jumpaster school with a guy who did ballistics for the NYPD (this was also in the 90s...lol) and he talked me off hollow points forever. Not because they are somehow magically devastating (remember kids, military has to use FMJ bullets by law on bad guys, DHS just bought a bunch of hollow points to use on say you?) but because clothing plugs the point up and they typically do not penetrate as much. He said it was all about size and length of the wound channel. I figure 230gr .45 ought to fit the bill.
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In my state, it is illegal to carry a loaded rifle in your car..
But situations like this, is what AR and AK "Pistols" are for..
People ask, "What is THAT for???" Events JUST LIKE THIS..
Be sure to Keep a few pairs of earplugs in the Jockey box too..
Because droppin the hammer inside a car, depending on the weapon,
often will net you broken eardrums.. Even a small caliber weapon
will cause the "audio FUZZ", from the overpressure trapped in the bubble..
A large caliber weapon inside a vehicle, is like gettin hit with a
stun grenade.. (I know because I've practiced it before)
Good stuff to be aware of.. The world is entering the Looney Zone..
Be careful out there.. Show mercy to the weak, but none to those
who are seeking trouble.. Give them the Full Measure of what they seek!
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It has been really hard to find primers (finally got some out at Cabela's). Now, back into full swing, 230gr FMJ ahead of 5.4 gr powder, reloading away. I went to Jumpaster school with a guy who did ballistics for the NYPD (this was also in the 90s...lol) and he talked me off hollow points forever. Not because they are somehow magically devastating (remember kids, military has to use FMJ bullets by law on bad guys, DHS just bought a bunch of hollow points to use on say you?) but because clothing plugs the point up and they typically do not penetrate as much. He said it was all about size and length of the wound channel. I figure 230gr .45 ought to fit the bill.
That is a valid point when the target is draped in a winter parka, hunting jacket, or other such thicker piece of clothing. It should only be more of a concern for those folks who live in the colder parts since people in Miami, LA, and other such place rarely wear thicker clothing. Plus, research has shown that even though the HP gets clogged it still has a good chance of expanding to some degree. Also, the winter parka will tend to effect calibers smaller than the .45 ACP more so. Having the HP plug up isn't going to effect penetration as much as it will the desired effects of the HP, which could ultimately make it perform like an FMJ.
So, shall we at give ourselves the chance that an HP bullet would work regardless of what we're shooting at (or through), or should we by default use FMJ's because .... why? :)
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Gasp... the guy is a Parapalegic.... choices people. He entered the guys lane, brakes his 500 pound bike in front of a 6000 suv. Choices. Reap what you sow. Not even an ounce of sympathy. If anything that paraplegic bike rider needs to pay for the therapy for the poor suv drivers kid...
I agree 100% to this, but I am sure the law isnt. thats kind of like brake checking a tractor trailer truck with a prius, DONT DO IT! the end result will be BAD :lol
they would have got a lot worse had i been driving with my wife and child. the first dude that got hit deserved it too he pulled in front of the suv and braked . biker gang was driving recklessly and illegal i woulda threw it in reverse at the end and just kept plowing them over till i seen a cop..
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I have 8 round Wilson Combat mags :D
Looking back I'm short a few pops :bhead
Well... you are talking about a 1911. I'm sure you had a stoppage at some point, cleared it, dropped the old mag, and had to insert a new one. :D
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Those guys are not Bikers. No biker would have done that, regardless of what type of bike they ride. I Ride a Ducati 1199 Sport bike, a Honda CBR 1000RR Sport bike, and a goldwing touring bike. On the street, they are all ridden the same way, with respect to other drivers, and caution to keep my own skin intact. Ont he track is a different story, as a I will push the edge every time...
Please, DO NOT lump everyone who rides a "crotch rocket" into one group. Not all of us are idiots, and many of us have respect for other folks, and the rules of the road...
that said, had I been int he SUV, I would have done the same thing. Do not threaten my family in any way...
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Lol
What should they be called, two wheeled motorists?
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Would a better strategy on the part of the victim been to have laid on the horn and slowly accelerated to say 20 or 30 and then weave as necessary and don't exit unless you know where your going?
The latest I saw http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/02/nyregion/motorcyclist-struck-by-suv-is-arrested-and-charged-with-reckless-behavior.html (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/02/nyregion/motorcyclist-struck-by-suv-is-arrested-and-charged-with-reckless-behavior.html)
Makes it sound like the brake checker got off un scathed while the guy who was checking on his welfare got messed up. Kinda like the drunk driver that kills a school us load of kids and then staggers away unhurt.
The problem with these guys is that they are living in some kind of fantasy drama world where it makes sense to take over the west side highway to get some clear asphalt. It's like they think they are in a movie but the don't realize we don't have the script. So when things inevitably don't go the way they want they get outraged at the injustice of it while we are left wondering what is wrong with these a...les.
They are basically acting like big dangerous children
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Lol
What should they be called, two wheeled motorists?
maybe "crotchetiers"?? i just settle for ricers or rice bangers.
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Lol
What should they be called, two wheeled motorists?
A Biker is not the same thing as a motorcyclist...
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sorry but plenty of "Bikers" would do this...and have done this exact same thing.
8 or so HA pulled a guy out of his car and beat him in front of his 8 year old daughter....
I personally know a guy who was shot 3 times by the HAs.....he was on the cover of the Boston Globe..."Death ducking Devils disciple escapes death for a third time" or right around those words...at the same time he was shot the third time (in the back mind you)....there was a huge chase and they ran over the guy that was with him and killed him...on Massachusetts streets.....
most Bikers (especially patch wearing bikers) are no different then the government..think they can do whatever they want, everyone has to listen to them and have Zero respect for life....
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Well... you are talking about a 1911. I'm sure you had a stoppage at some point, cleared it, dropped the old mag, and had to insert a new one. :D
No, I sold the Kimber and bought a Wilson. :D
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No, I sold the Kimber and bought a Wilson. :D
Let's not talk about Wilson 1911's while I have money to spend. I gotta get off this laptop. :(
Back to the topic... Cool bikers (or motorcyclists) rock. Dudes like these deserve to be run over.
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most Bikers (especially patch wearing bikers) are no different then the government..think they can do whatever they want, everyone has to listen to them and have Zero respect for life....
back when I used to ride, some of the guys I associated with and rode with on occasion were the real deal bikers. One of then carried a ball peen hammer that had a 3' handle welded on the head, he used that from what I was told to smash windows at a safe distance, another carried a 5' length of chain for the same purpose. Now before I get lumped into the same category I DIDNT carry anything on my bike, I rode with respect to all drivers and vehicles. My way of thinking is that a car is 5 times the size of me, all they have to do is throw a door open and its all over :lol But them guys were crazy. I rode with them just because their bikes were nice and I learned a lot about wrenching from them.
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sorry but plenty of "Bikers" would do this...and have done this exact same thing.
8 or so HA pulled a guy out of his car and beat him in front of his 8 year old daughter....
I personally know a guy who was shot 3 times by the HAs.....he was on the cover of the Boston Globe..."Death ducking Devils disciple escapes death for a third time" or right around those words...at the same time he was shot the third time (in the back mind you)....there was a huge chase and they ran over the guy that was with him and killed him...on Massachusetts streets.....
most Bikers (especially patch wearing bikers) are no different then the government..think they can do whatever they want, everyone has to listen to them and have Zero respect for life....
Valid point. 1% Bikers are a different breed.. some are the nicest folks you could meet, others.. well lets just say they fall on the other side of that coin..
I suppose my real point is all these people up in arms about riders in general, and even other riders about those of us who choose to ride sport bikes....they need to realize, as with any group of people, there are good, and bad, and should not lump as all in the same boat. *I* ride sport bikes. Both Pasta burning and Rice burning. However, I am far from a hooligan on the streets, and respect the road, drivers, and other riders alike. I save my high speed aggressive riding for the track, as do most of the folks I ride with. All I ask is don't assume just because someone rides a particular type of bike, OR rides at all, makes them lumped in with the degenerates who instigated this situation...
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back when I used to ride, some of the guys I associated with and rode with on occasion were the real deal bikers. One of then carried a ball peen hammer that had a 3' handle welded on the head, he used that from what I was told to smash windows at a safe distance, another carried a 5' length of chain for the same purpose. Now before I get lumped into the same category I DIDNT carry anything on my bike, I rode with respect to all drivers and vehicles. My way of thinking is that a car is 5 times the size of me, all they have to do is throw a door open and its all over :lol But them guys were crazy. I rode with them just because their bikes were nice and I learned a lot about wrenching from them.
the name of the guy with the ball peen hammer wouldn't be..."Doug" now would it?
sounds an awe full lot like the x pres of Vietnam vets east coast..
but ya you describe the "bikers" I was expecting to see in the original post....
not a bunch of crotch rocket bikers. :rofl
Valid point. 1% Bikers are a different breed.. some are the nicest folks you could meet, others.. well lets just say they fall on the other side of that coin..
I suppose my real point is all these people up in arms about riders in general, and even other riders about those of us who choose to ride sport bikes....they need to realize, as with any group of people, there are good, and bad, and should not lump as all in the same boat. *I* ride sport bikes. Both Pasta burning and Rice burning. However, I am far from a hooligan on the streets, and respect the road, drivers, and other riders alike. I save my high speed aggressive riding for the track, as do most of the folks I ride with. All I ask is don't assume just because someone rides a particular type of bike, OR rides at all, makes them lumped in with the degenerates who instigated this situation...
I agree wholeheartedly :salute
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the name of the guy with the ball peen hammer wouldn't be..."Doug" now would it?
hahaha nope Dennis, yeah they were the real friggin deal :lol I used to go to a swap meet in Keene Nh, the last time I went they had cops at the gate making guys empty their pockets of all knives and what not, because of all the "gangs" that were flying colors and patches.
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I grew up with real bikers, outlaw bikers. Specifically the outlaws and Black widows in Florida. You run into supporters mostly, people who want to be associated, that are the biggest assclowns you will ever meet. "Oh I know this guy blah blah". I know the chapter president and treasurer, hell they even talked me into buying an old 1978 harley fatboy to fix up. Problem is however, I was college educated and when I seen 5 bikers die in my area (accidents mostly) I gave up the project and sold it off.
Here the real bikers get associates and supporters to do the work, young guns who have something to prove because they are dumb enough to do it because they want to be associated. The old school outlaws are all in prison, most have life sentences.
What this video shows (and its not the first time trust me, I know the new york group, it pops up on motorcycle pages now and then) they have done this bullying tactic 2-3 times. Young punks just trying to feel invisible and bullying.
/I never associated, but fact is I never felt safer then in a biker bar - long as you say yes sir and no sir they never bother you. Call someone an "old timer" or "grandpa" you are liable to have your bellybutton beat when you goto the bathroom.
//Not a supporter either, its just heavily influenced in my area because Gangs took over the area long ago, and then the Bikers moved in to clear them out the 4 bars on my road are all outlaw motorcycle bars, with a supporter club house somewhere in the area as well
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Lol
What should they be called, two wheeled motorists?
I could tell ya what they SHOULD be called....but it would be a bit unbecoming of me.
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I grew up with real bikers, outlaw bikers. Specifically the outlaws and Black widows in Florida. You run into supporters mostly, people who want to be associated, that are the biggest assclowns you will ever meet. "Oh I know this guy blah blah". I know the chapter president and treasurer, hell they even talked me into buying an old 1978 harley fatboy to fix up.them out the 4 bars on my road are all outlaw motorcycle bars, with a supporter club house somewhere in the area as well
Black Widows you say?
(http://thisdistractedglobe.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Every-Which-Way-But-Loose-1978-John-Quade-pic-6.jpg)
The FLSTF Fatboy was introduced in 1991 by the way.
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The FLSTF Fatboy was introduced in 1991 by the way.
Busted!
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I grew up with real bikers, outlaw bikers. Specifically the outlaws and Black widows in Florida. You run into supporters mostly, people who want to be associated, that are the biggest assclowns you will ever meet. "Oh I know this guy blah blah". I know the chapter president and treasurer, hell they even talked me into buying an old 1978 harley fatboy to fix up.
did you just call yourself an assclown here? lol
outlaw bikers.. haha
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Bunch of pansies.
This is why CHL is great. This man chose to let the police protect him and his family.
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Bunch of pansies.
This is why CHL is great. This man chose to let the police protect him and his family.
what does the central hockey league have anything to do with this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CHL_%281963-84%29
on a serious note, you can sit back and play what if after the fact. what if he had a gun and the bikers also had theirs? what if they had taken the gun away from him and shot him with it, what if... there's lots of what ifs. I'd like to think that he would have pulled out his gun and they bikers would have left him alone but what if they hadnt?
I always have one next to me when I play as i always use a headset. but what if I had a CHL and that day when I stopped at the 7-11 to buy a beer after work at 2 pm and the cop that thought I looked suspicious enough to put his hand in his gun. what if he had seen it...
what if several people in that dark theater would have had a gun, how many more would have died? or perhaps only the shooter would have been killed after only firing a couple of guns.
we all can play what if's all day long, but the truth is that you cannot undo what has already been done.
semp
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A Biker is not the same thing as a motorcyclist...
I approve of this message, currently riding a 1986 Suzuki GSXR 750 to and from work on the nice days :D
Cannot really say I have ever ridden a motorcycle I didn't like, the Atlas mini bike I rode when I was 8 or 9 even was a blast, I ride because 2 wheels moves the soul were 4 just move the body don't really care what image any particular bike projects, Dad has an new Ultra Glide, very sweet ride also...........would love to get a BMW K1200R-Sport, if I can get the wife's buy-in.
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...what if...
semp
How come the what ifs always seem to center on a firearm being used in a hero scenario. They never seem to include the statistically more likely scenario of a firearm being used on a loved one or themselves?
Of course everyone knows statistics only apply to others.
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what does the central hockey league have anything to do with this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CHL_%281963-84%29
on a serious note, you can sit back and play what if after the fact. what if he had a gun and the bikers also had theirs? what if they had taken the gun away from him and shot him with it, what if... there's lots of what ifs. I'd like to think that he would have pulled out his gun and they bikers would have left him alone but what if they hadnt?
I always have one next to me when I play as i always use a headset. but what if I had a CHL and that day when I stopped at the 7-11 to buy a beer after work at 2 pm and the cop that thought I looked suspicious enough to put his hand in his gun. what if he had seen it...
what if several people in that dark theater would have had a gun, how many more would have died? or perhaps only the shooter would have been killed after only firing a couple of guns.
we all can play what if's all day long, but the truth is that you cannot undo what has already been done.
semp
if they had theirs, they'd have used them. me? i'd personally prefer to be the one to decide if i have an option besides running.........
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yeah no bikers in that bunch, just a bunch of punks, and if I were in that vehicle there would have been some smashed bikes too :lol
Ditto.
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How come the what ifs always seem to center on a firearm being used in a hero scenario. They never seem to include the statistically more likely scenario of a firearm being used on a loved one or themselves?
Of course everyone knows statistics only apply to others.
Hero scenario? I would think of it more as your duty or even instinct to protect you're loved ones from a violent mob. Part of owning a firearm is taking the responsibility to train and be proficient in case you're unfortunate to find yourself in such a situation.
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For the record, the numbskull who won't walk again was the felon who used his bike to block the Range Rover when the driver stopped after the initial road bump of the first idiot. Stupidly, the knucklehead remained in the saddle. When the Range Rover guy realized it was time to get him and his family out of there, he drove over Mr. Stupid and his bike. Viciousness has its consequences.
Where the Range Rover driver screwed up was to stop. When traffic got in his way, he should have reversed and knocked down whoever was behind him. Indeed, there was nothing any of the punks could do, besides skedaddle. A 5,000 lb Range Rover cannot be stopped by less than speed bump quality rice burners. He could have crushed them until they fled.... He should have, filling every emergency room on the west side of Manhattan.
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I grew up with real bikers, outlaw bikers. Specifically the outlaws and Black widows in Florida. You run into supporters mostly, people who want to be associated, that are the biggest assclowns you will ever meet. "Oh I know this guy blah blah". I know the chapter president and treasurer, hell they even talked me into buying an old 1978 harley fatboy to fix up. Problem is however, I was college educated and when I seen 5 bikers die in my area (accidents mostly) I gave up the project and sold it off.
Here the real bikers get associates and supporters to do the work, young guns who have something to prove because they are dumb enough to do it because they want to be associated. The old school outlaws are all in prison, most have life sentences.
What this video shows (and its not the first time trust me, I know the new york group, it pops up on motorcycle pages now and then) they have done this bullying tactic 2-3 times. Young punks just trying to feel invisible and bullying.
/I never associated, but fact is I never felt safer then in a biker bar - long as you say yes sir and no sir they never bother you. Call someone an "old timer" or "grandpa" you are liable to have your bellybutton beat when you goto the bathroom.
//Not a supporter either, its just heavily influenced in my area because Gangs took over the area long ago, and then the Bikers moved in to clear them out the 4 bars on my road are all outlaw motorcycle bars, with a supporter club house somewhere in the area as well
I bet your 77 "Fatboy" was a panhead too. :rolleyes:
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if they had theirs, they'd have used them. me? i'd personally prefer to be the one to decide if i have an option besides running.........
given a choice between a firearm and an suv and we talking here looking back, I would have chosen the suv. I would have hit at least 10 or 20 bikers. those that were down would have brought many more down too. if they were that determined to kill me, a gun wouldnt have stopped them either. but sure as hell I can bring down a lot more with an suv than with a gun.
and i am talking about this situation only. like I said before, in this situation you can argue to death which would be a better defense, use the suv to ram everybody, or stopping being surrounded by 30 or 40 bikers and trying to shoot as many as you can.
I dont think there's a right or wrong choice only "what if's.."
semp
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For the record, the numbskull who won't walk again was the felon who used his bike to block the Range Rover when the driver stopped after the initial road bump of the first idiot. Stupidly, the knucklehead remained in the saddle. When the Range Rover guy realized it was time to get him and his family out of there, he drove over Mr. Stupid and his bike. Viciousness has its consequences.
Where the Range Rover driver screwed up was to stop. When traffic got in his way, he should have reversed and knocked down whoever was behind him. Indeed, there was nothing any of the punks could do, besides skedaddle. A 5,000 lb Range Rover cannot be stopped by less than speed bump quality rice burners. He could have crushed them until they fled.... He should have, filling every emergency room on the west side of Manhattan.
absafriggenlutly :aok
"biker gang off road setting"... :rofl :rofl :rofl
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For the record, the numbskull who won't walk again was the felon who used his bike to block the Range Rover when the driver stopped after the initial road bump of the first idiot. Stupidly, the knucklehead remained in the saddle. When the Range Rover guy realized it was time to get him and his family out of there, he drove over Mr. Stupid and his bike. Viciousness has its consequences.
Where the Range Rover driver screwed up was to stop. When traffic got in his way, he should have reversed and knocked down whoever was behind him. Indeed, there was nothing any of the punks could do, besides skedaddle. A 5,000 lb Range Rover cannot be stopped by less than speed bump quality rice burners. He could have crushed them until they fled.... He should have, filling every emergency room on the west side of Manhattan.
From what I can see of the vid of Brake-Test boy's court appearance, he ain't injured, and in the original video it looks like he didn't even come off his bike.
Speed-Bump-Boy's family have apparently retained Gloria Allred, what a perfect match for the little snake. I take it there's juries in civil trials in NY? "No, ladies and gentlemen of the jury, my client was not involved in an unlawful confinement and a vicious attack on a family, he was checking on another rider who was, um, uninjured and was, um staying in his saddle to um, better facilitate the checking and, um, stayed in the saddle to um, restrain the, um, non-vicious attack on the, um, family in the SUV who are, um, like, rich and stuff, unlike my client who, um, is, ah, um..."
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Holy crap, it gets worse, seen this link to Speed-Bump Boy's Opus of self-love?
http://item.liveleak.com/2/view?i=2e2_1380707420&comments=1
The painted face pic deserves to be Photoshopped into this, but I've not the skill:
http://www.thelookmachine.com/uploads/2008/06/A%20Clockwork%20Orange.jpg
Hoisted with his own petard, as the Bard might say.
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given a choice between a firearm and an suv and we talking here looking back, I would have chosen the suv. I would have hit at least 10 or 20 bikers. those that were down would have brought many more down too. if they were that determined to kill me, a gun wouldnt have stopped them either. but sure as hell I can bring down a lot more with an suv than with a gun.
and i am talking about this situation only. like I said before, in this situation you can argue to death which would be a better defense, use the suv to ram everybody, or stopping being surrounded by 30 or 40 bikers and trying to shoot as many as you can.
I dont think there's a right or wrong choice only "what if's.."
semp
oohh....don't get me wrong. in a situation like that, where he lives in a state that's stolen his rights, i'd have done exactly what he did. 'cept more of them would be paying. i would not have gotten off of the highway at all. i'd have had whomever was with me in the vehicle on with 911 getting some dam police out there, as i continued driving.
at the end of that video, i still think he should've put it in reverse, and tried leaving again.
i can't say much more on this subject here without earning a vacation, which i don't wanna do........
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I agree 100% to this, but I am sure the law isnt. thats kind of like brake checking a tractor trailer truck with a prius, DONT DO IT! the end result will be BAD :lol :aok :rofl
Nah, following to close and creating an accident are pretty clear .... stems from all of the California insurance fraud jazz in the 70s and 80s.
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we could get this girl to wash all their bikes :aok
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we could get this girl to wash all their bikes :aok
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/2fc5a74fdbd5b2173e68a1e7cc96c556/tumblr_ms1g231apo1qdlh1io1_400.gif)
OMG I think I would be really close to hitting a female for that one.. lol... (not really but I would think about it for a moment or 2)
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I bet your 77 "Fatboy" was a panhead too. :rolleyes:
Wouldn't that be a knucklehead? :devil
:salute
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we could get this girl to wash all their bikes :aok
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/2fc5a74fdbd5b2173e68a1e7cc96c556/tumblr_ms1g231apo1qdlh1io1_400.gif)
is there any reason she has what looks like a tourniquet on her leg?
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It was a fashion choice she made at the same time as choosing to become a stripper, and choosing to use bikes as props and working from the unsecured side.
'mmmmk?
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It was a fashion choice she made at the same time as choosing to become a stripper, and choosing to use bikes as props and working from the unsecured side.
'mmmmk?
i was thinking it was for something else.........mmmkay? :bolt:
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:eek:
:noid
:bolt:
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I heard he is a wannabee rapper. I guess his new name should be MC Speedbump...
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Snoop Bumpy Bump?
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what does the central hockey league have anything to do with this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CHL_%281963-84%29
on a serious note, you can sit back and play what if after the fact. what if he had a gun and the bikers also had theirs? what if they had taken the gun away from him and shot him with it, what if... there's lots of what ifs. I'd like to think that he would have pulled out his gun and they bikers would have left him alone but what if they hadnt?
I always have one next to me when I play as i always use a headset. but what if I had a CHL and that day when I stopped at the 7-11 to buy a beer after work at 2 pm and the cop that thought I looked suspicious enough to put his hand in his gun. what if he had seen it...
what if several people in that dark theater would have had a gun, how many more would have died? or perhaps only the shooter would have been killed after only firing a couple of guns.
we all can play what if's all day long, but the truth is that you cannot undo what has already been done.
semp
What if he just traded his child or wife for freedom. You can lay down and hope your family is safe or you can have an active roll in your family's safety. Your choice.
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I grew up with real bikers, outlaw bikers. Specifically the outlaws and Black widows in Florida. You run into supporters mostly, people who want to be associated, that are the biggest assclowns you will ever meet. "Oh I know this guy blah blah". I know the chapter president and treasurer, hell they even talked me into buying an old 1978 harley fatboy to fix up. Problem is however, I was college educated and when I seen 5 bikers die in my area (accidents mostly) I gave up the project and sold it off.
Here the real bikers get associates and supporters to do the work, young guns who have something to prove because they are dumb enough to do it because they want to be associated. The old school outlaws are all in prison, most have life sentences.
What this video shows (and its not the first time trust me, I know the new york group, it pops up on motorcycle pages now and then) they have done this bullying tactic 2-3 times. Young punks just trying to feel invisible and bullying.
/I never associated, but fact is I never felt safer then in a biker bar - long as you say yes sir and no sir they never bother you. Call someone an "old timer" or "grandpa" you are liable to have your bellybutton beat when you goto the bathroom.
//Not a supporter either, its just heavily influenced in my area because Gangs took over the area long ago, and then the Bikers moved in to clear them out the 4 bars on my road are all outlaw motorcycle bars, with a supporter club house somewhere in the area as well
"Invincible" on a Dirt Bike as a few of those turd burglars? :rofl It is a shame that the victim in the Range Rover didn't realize his vehicles full potential and NEVER should have stopped until the 5.0 were right there with him.
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Speed-Bump-Boy's family have apparently retained Gloria Allred, what a perfect match for the little snake. I take it there's juries in civil trials in NY? "No, ladies and gentlemen of the jury, my client was not involved in an unlawful confinement and a vicious attack on a family, he was checking on another rider who was, um, uninjured and was, um staying in his saddle to um, better facilitate the checking and, um, stayed in the saddle to um, restrain the, um, non-vicious attack on the, um, family in the SUV who are, um, like, rich and stuff, unlike my client who, um, is, ah, um..."
NY is a pure comparative state. The biker is going to get paid something. They only need to show that the SUV driver was even 1% negligent for the biker to recover that 1%.
Here's a quote from a website run by an injury lawyer that explains it pretty well:
Presently, thirteen (13) states follow a pure comparative negligence system: Alaska, Arizona, California, Florida, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, New Mexico, New York, Rhode Island, South Dakota, and Washington. In a pure comparative negligence system, a judge or jury assigns a percentage of fault to each responsible party and then apportions the damage award accordingly. Using this system, an injured person may recover his or her damages even if the injured person was 99% at fault in causing the injury, with those damages reduced by his or her portion of the fault. For example, in a car accident between Dave and Debbie where Debbie was found to be 99% responsible, and the jury found that Debbie suffered $10,000 in damages, that award would be reduced by Debbie’s 99% fault in causing the injury. In the end, Dave would only have to pay 1% of Debbie’s damages, or $100 in this case.
The only question here is if the SUV driver bought his policy from a decent, reputable insurance company that will actually pay the biker instead of trying to wriggle out of it for "intentional act" on the part of the SUV driver. As ridiculous as it sounds I could see some companies try to do that. They'll certainly have to defend the driver, but they might try to avoid paying any indemnity. He certainly has assets so hopefully he paid up for a good company.
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Thanks for that, very informative. Is the system set so that the % responsibility is set by judge only, or is there some form of jury system which the defendant (or plaintiff?) can demand?
Thanks again.
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"Invincible" on a Dirt Bike as a few of those turd burglars? :rofl It is a shame that the victim in the Range Rover didn't realize his vehicles full potential and NEVER should have stopped until the 5.0 were right there with him.
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"Invincible" on a Dirt Bike as a few of those turd burglars? :rofl It is a shame that the victim in the Range Rover didn't realize his vehicles full potential and NEVER should have stopped until the 5.0 were right there with him.
It would of been nice if the kid ran over as many as he could - frankly I would of in a heart beat. You don't threaten a mans family or his kid - funny a new video just surfaced the guy who is paralyzed is said to be "non aggressive" by his family, yet he enjoyed taunting the NYPD by reving his bike over and over.
yeah, bunch of assclowns. I just found 4-5 more videos that they posted of them threatening other people, one old woman about 75 pulled out in front of them instead of letting them all pass, they surrounded her kicking her vehicle.
To bad she didn't go all "Flea Market" on them it would of looked like this:
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_IdnISTfKKeQ/SElK5eqW_3I/AAAAAAAABJQ/rh35WQBbAOI/s400/car+hits+bike.jpg)
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"Invincible" on a Dirt Bike as a few of those turd burglars? :rofl It is a shame that the victim in the Range Rover didn't realize his vehicles full potential and NEVER should have stopped until the 5.0 were right there with him.
Problem is, he kept driving INTO town.
NYC is not the place to drive further into if you want to keep moving in a vehicle...
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It would of been nice if the kid ran over as many as he could - frankly I would of in a heart beat. You don't threaten a mans family or his kid - funny a new video just surfaced the guy who is paralyzed is said to be "non aggressive" by his family, yet he enjoyed taunting the NYPD by reving his bike over and over.
yeah, bunch of assclowns. I just found 4-5 more videos that they posted of them threatening other people, one old woman about 75 pulled out in front of them instead of letting them all pass, they surrounded her kicking her vehicle.
To bad she didn't go all "Flea Market" on them it would of looked like this:
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_IdnISTfKKeQ/SElK5eqW_3I/AAAAAAAABJQ/rh35WQBbAOI/s400/car+hits+bike.jpg)
You do know people died in that picture right? Please don't use that to try and be funny.
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Looks to me like there was some trash talking going on and the one biker slowed down to stop the vehicle at which time the vehicle bumped him cause he didnt want to be stopped and surrounded. I guess nobody knows what started it. Traffic altercations actually can be started by one party. Maybe its the MC equivalent of "wilding".
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It would of been nice if the kid ran over as many as he could - frankly I would of in a heart beat. You don't threaten a mans family or his kid - funny a new video just surfaced the guy who is paralyzed is said to be "non aggressive" by his family, yet he enjoyed taunting the NYPD by reving his bike over and over.
yeah, bunch of assclowns. I just found 4-5 more videos that they posted of them threatening other people, one old woman about 75 pulled out in front of them instead of letting them all pass, they surrounded her kicking her vehicle.
To bad she didn't go all "Flea Market" on them it would of looked like this:
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_IdnISTfKKeQ/SElK5eqW_3I/AAAAAAAABJQ/rh35WQBbAOI/s400/car+hits+bike.jpg)
WTF dude? The picture you posted has nothing to do with what happened in NYC.
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Thanks for that, very informative. Is the system set so that the % responsibility is set by judge only, or is there some form of jury system which the defendant (or plaintiff?) can demand?
The percentage of negligence is a fact question, determined by the jury in a jury trial, by the judge in a bench trial.
- oldman
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The percentage of negligence is a fact question, determined by the jury in a jury trial, by the judge in a bench trial.
- oldman
welllll those biketards better hope some video that can shift blame away from them surfaces then.....
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Looks to me like there was some trash talking going on and the one biker slowed down to stop the vehicle at which time the vehicle bumped him cause he didnt want to be stopped and surrounded. I guess nobody knows what started it. Traffic altercations actually can be started by one party. Maybe its the MC equivalent of "wilding".
Everybody knows what started it. The trash talking was the bikers telling the RR to stop. The bikers were trying to block the freeway to do stunts, then bumped the RR and forced him to stop where they slashed a tire to keep him stopped. RR driver feared for his family's safety and fled.
Bikers were 100% responsible for the whole thing. This was not a random road rage thing. It was a terrorist gang attack on the RR.
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NY is a pure comparative state. The biker is going to get paid something. They only need to show that the SUV driver was even 1% negligent for the biker to recover that 1%.
Here's a quote from a website run by an injury lawyer that explains it pretty well:
The only question here is if the SUV driver bought his policy from a decent, reputable insurance company that will actually pay the biker instead of trying to wriggle out of it for "intentional act" on the part of the SUV driver. As ridiculous as it sounds I could see some companies try to do that. They'll certainly have to defend the driver, but they might try to avoid paying any indemnity. He certainly has assets so hopefully he paid up for a good company.
I wouldn't count on this skell getting a nickle... Saw his rap sheet. 12 pages long. Several convictions; selling cocaine, illegal handgun among them with many other offenses. His drivers license has been revoked in NY and Mass.
He was committing a felony when we was run over... Justice can take many forms....
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Everybody knows what started it. The trash talking was the bikers telling the RR to stop. The bikers were trying to block the freeway to do stunts, then bumped the RR and forced him to stop where they slashed a tire to keep him stopped. RR driver feared for his family's safety and fled.
Bikers were 100% responsible for the whole thing. This was not a random road rage thing. It was a terrorist gang attack on the RR.
The only ones who know what started it are the ones involved in it.
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The only ones who know what started it are the ones involved in it.
Or anyone who has seen the video.
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Or anyone who has seen the video.
+1 How anybody can defend the lowlife thugs on the bikes is beyond me.
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it gets even better, now an undercover cop on his own time was present when the guy got beat up. now we have an IA investigation too.
http://gma.yahoo.com/undercover-nypd-cop-watched-suv-driver-beaten-222926241--abc-news-topstories.html
cant wait to hear about the investigation. I really hope the officer was there investigating and not just participating in his off time. but either way it makes the police look bad.
semp
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The percentage of negligence is a fact question, determined by the jury in a jury trial, by the judge in a bench trial.
- oldman
Bike no stop... bike no get run over. :)
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Nothin but a bunch of tools riding their ballbasher bikes and modified dirtbikes... Trying to be hard tulips and give other bikers bad name.
I would have slammed reverse and hammered down.
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Well, I used to think I wished ill to no man, but from what I've read about these pukes, frankly I hope DJ Speed Bump enjoys his colostomy bag, and has to raise funds for it himself.
I really, really hope the insurance company has the balls to realise that vigorously defending against spending a cent to care for this career criminal can only help their image - Allred won't get out of bed for less than a million and if she sees a non-payday coming she'll drop that idiot like the lowlife he is.
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Or anyone who has seen the video.
Ive seen the video. Obviously you didnt see in my post where I said traffic altercation CAN be started by just one party or that its possible this was MC, as in motorcycling, wilding.
But you still dont know what started it. Jeez am I the only objective one around here?
Look not that news paper articles actually tell what actually happened but now they are reporting A source briefed on the case told ABC News that in the days since the attack "new evidence has been coming in and it will give prosecutors much better evidence for charging the attackers."
The new evidence includes additional video footage and stills compiled from a variety of cameras that were situated around the scenes of the chase and melee, the source said.
In other words "nobody knows what fracking happened and the Police are still collecting evidence".
Its possible the biker was actually slowing down in order to slow down the others, to organize the ride, and some sort of verbal confrontation happened. You'll notice an obvious verbal exchange at about 0.18 in the video. He might have been trying to warn the driver of the SUV he was slowing down the group and get them all together. The driver of the SUV had plenty of time to slow down as well and NOT hit the MC driver initially. Then, apparently, there was no physical contact before the SUV driver decided to run over a few bikers and take off.
So how pissed would you be if you saw your friends ran over by an SUV on purpose?
My guess is, based on 30 years of doing this stuff, that the visceral reactions among many is do to the fact the actual attackers of the SUV are black. But even there there is a clue. The Bikers are both white and black so we can rule out bike gangs or street gangs cause they dont mix. Besides there were no Harleys and biker or street gangs dont wear fruity colored helmets and with either the entire affair would have ended with gun fire anyways. Its very likely the entire thing started by accident and progressed thru miscalculation and over reaction.
But I dont know. And neither do any of you. Being a black kid on a motorcycle isnt a crime, nor does it automatically make you a criminal. We have a lot of problems with "flash mobs" here, or "wilding", but Ive never ever seen a racially mixed one.
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I couldn't give a flying frig about the colour of the bikers, which I wasn't aware of until well after the incident.
White black or chartreuse, they were out to ignore the law of the land and intimidate anyone they perceived as getting in their way. They pushed it to a confrontation with a motorist, and deliberately boxed him in, the better to indimidate him. They then attacked his vehicle, in which his wife and baby were sitting. Unable to fight many dozens of attackers, he took the only path left open to protect himself and his family and gunned it.
Fark all of them and the farking rice rockets they rode in on, they should rot.
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So you know all that how?
BTW do you really expect anyone to believe that if these were all white kids on rice burners the amount of frothing spittle being spewed would be the same? And what percentage of viewers ya think could watch a video like that and NOT notice the race of the attackers? :lol Especially after reading some of the moronic chest thumping posts in this thread?
Also as you'll see at 0.18 the driver of the bike initially struck by the SUV was white. And there was no physical attack prior to the driver running over the bike kids, very seriously crippling one. Kids acting stupid on MCs doesnt automatically give you the right to run over them in your vehicle.
It seems to be easy to place yourselves in the drivers shoes. Now put yourself in the parents shoes getting the call that their kid was just ran over by an SUV and hurt very seriously during a traffic altercation. Think you to wouldnt want answers?
I couldn't give a flying frig about the colour of the bikers, which I wasn't aware of until well after the incident.
White black or chartreuse, they were out to ignore the law of the land and intimidate anyone they perceived as getting in their way. They pushed it to a confrontation with a motorist, and deliberately boxed him in, the better to indimidate him. They then attacked his vehicle, in which his wife and baby were sitting. Unable to fight many dozens of attackers, he took the only path left open to protect himself and his family and gunned it.
Fark all of them and the farking rice rockets they rode in on, they should rot.
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I have no doubt the judge or jury who ultimately decide what comes next weren't there either, but law-abiding family in an suv surrounded by a pack of avacados who demonstrably have been ignoring the law and who demonstrably have intimidated and attacked ordinary folk in the past make better witnesses than said pack of avacados, as you no doubt know.
Again, the race of those involved does not even register with me.
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Nothin but a bunch of tools riding their ballbasher bikes and modified dirtbikes... Trying to be hard tulips and give other bikers bad name.
I would have slammed reverse and hammered down.
unless i was seeing things, many of them also didn't have license plates. kinda illegal.
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Ive seen the video. Obviously you didnt see in my post where I said traffic altercation CAN be started by just one party or that its possible this was MC, as in motorcycling, wilding.not "possibly" the mc starting it. he DID. the guy filming started his video there for a reason, and starting it earlier won't help their case....otherwise he would have shown all of it.
But you still dont know what started it. Jeez am I the only objective one around here?
Look not that news paper articles actually tell what actually happened but now they are reporting In other words "nobody knows what fracking happened and the Police are still collecting evidence".
Its possible the biker was actually slowing down in order to slow down the others, to organize the ride, and some sort of verbal confrontation happened. You'll notice an obvious verbal exchange at about 0.18 in the video. He might have been trying to warn the driver of the SUV he was slowing down the group and get them all together. The driver of the SUV had plenty of time to slow down as well and NOT hit the MC driver initially. Then, apparently, there was no physical contact before the SUV driver decided to run over a few bikers and take off.
So how pissed would you be if you saw your friends ran over by an SUV on purpose?
My guess is, based on 30 years of doing this stuff, that the visceral reactions among many is do to the fact the actual attackers of the SUV are black. But even there there is a clue. The Bikers are both white and black so we can rule out bike gangs or street gangs cause they dont mix. Besides there were no Harleys and biker or street gangs dont wear fruity colored helmets and with either the entire affair would have ended with gun fire anyways. Its very likely the entire thing started by accident and progressed thru miscalculation and over reaction.
But I dont know. And neither do any of you. Being a black kid on a motorcycle isnt a crime, nor does it automatically make you a criminal. We have a lot of problems with "flash mobs" here, or "wilding", but Ive never ever seen a racially mixed one.
regardless of what happened before the video we've all seen........there is NO.....ZERO......ZILCH.....NA DA......ZIPPO excuse for what the biker at 10 seconds in did, which was to dilebretley cause a collision. he was watching the suv. if he was trying to slow them, and not cause an altercation, he could have EASILY out accelerated them to avoid that collision. no......no....not this time. coming from a guy that's ridden for well over 20 years, there is no way that any of this is the fault of anyone but those people
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So you know all that how?video proves the prosecutions case.
BTW do you really expect anyone to believe that if these were all white kids on rice burners the amount of frothing spittle being spewed would be the same?here, you are correct. if they were white kids on those rockets, the frothing spittle would be a thousand times worse, as they brought hate crimes into the equation. And what percentage of viewers ya think could watch a video like that and NOT notice the race of the attackers? :lol Especially after reading some of the moronic chest thumping posts in this thread?
Also as you'll see at 0.18 the driver of the bike initially struck by the SUV was white.hispanic name i believe And there was no physical attack prior to the driver running over the bike kids, very seriously crippling one. Kids acting stupid on MCs doesnt automatically give you the right to run over them in your vehicle.they weren't kids. they knew full well what they were doing, and what they were doing was going to lead to a quicker beatdown. why do you think that one guy was walking back to the suv? do you think he wanted to have a beer with him?
It seems to be easy to place yourselves in the drivers shoes. Now put yourself in the parents shoes getting the call that their kid was just ran over by an SUV and hurt very seriously during a traffic altercation. Think you to wouldnt want answers?it is VERY easy to put myself in the driver shoes. as the bikers......no way in hell would i act like that. ad the suv driver, surrounded by a bunch of bikers like that, i'm getting my bellybutton outta dodge too. put myself in the shoes of the parents? well....there's a case going on down here, where a parent is FINALLY being held accountable for raising a criminal(murderer)
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I have no doubt the judge or jury who ultimately decide what comes next weren't there either, but law-abiding family in an suv surrounded by a pack of avacados who demonstrably have been ignoring the law and who demonstrably have intimidated and attacked ordinary folk in the past make better witnesses than said pack of avacados, as you no doubt know.
Again, the race of those involved does not even register with me.
They violated traffic law. Apparently a few in this thread think they can post videos of bike gangs being violent and make it legal assumption that ALL gaggles of kids on bikes are violent and should be handled the same.
You cant just run over a bunch of kids cause they "obstructed traffic" and maybe ran their mouths some. If in fact that is what happened. To many are making assumptions without knowing any facts, and a few are just making their own threats and beating their chests. Which is pretty silly on the internet. The fact is running over kids on MCs is a very serious thing and the driver of the SUV is both responsible and needs to have a reasonable explanation for why he did it. It may well be he had cause. It may well be he over reacted to a bunch of stunt bike kids acting stupid. http://abcnews.go.com/US/nyc-motorcycle-attack-bikers-wife-walk/story?id=20430576
regardless of what happened before the video we've all seen........there is NO.....ZERO......ZILCH.....NA DA......ZIPPO excuse for what the biker at 10 seconds in did, which was to dilebretley cause a collision. Yeah, actually there is. Go to 5;30 http://abcnews.go.com/US/nyc-motorcycle-attack-bikers-wife-walk/story?id=20430576 he was watching the suv. if he was trying to slow them, and not cause an altercation, he could have EASILY out accelerated them to avoid that collision. How exactly do you "cause" a collision with the donut end of a MC while slowing down? no......no....not this time. coming from a guy that's ridden for well over 20 years, there is no way that any of this is the fault of anyone but those people Coming from a guy who has written accident reports for 30 years i can tell you without question the driver of the SUV would be the "striking vehicle" in that report and get the ticket. :)
The biker didnt "cause" the collision Cap. The SUV did. Really, Ive investigated a million of these things. BTW repeating posting after yourself on the internet = "frothing".
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They violated traffic law. Apparently a few in this thread think they can post videos of bike gangs being violent and make it legal assumption that ALL gaggles of kids on bikes are violent and should be handled the same.
You cant just run over a bunch of kids cause they "obstructed traffic" and maybe ran their mouths some. If in fact that is what happened. To many are making assumptions without knowing any facts, and a few are just making their own threats and beating their chests. Which is pretty silly on the internet. The fact is running over kids on MCs is a very serious thing and the driver of the SUV is both responsible and needs to have a reasonable explanation for why he did it. It may well be he had cause. It may well be he over reacted to a bunch of stunt bike kids acting stupid. http://abcnews.go.com/US/nyc-motorcycle-attack-bikers-wife-walk/story?id=20430576
regardless of what happened before the video we've all seen........there is NO.....ZERO......ZILCH.....NA DA......ZIPPO excuse for what the biker at 10 seconds in did, which was to dilebretley cause a collision. Yeah, actually there is. Go to 5;30 http://abcnews.go.com/US/nyc-motorcycle-attack-bikers-wife-walk/story?id=20430576 he was watching the suv. if he was trying to slow them, and not cause an altercation, he could have EASILY out accelerated them to avoid that collision. How exactly do you "cause" a collision with the donut end of a MC while slowing down? no......no....not this time. coming from a guy that's ridden for well over 20 years, there is no way that any of this is the fault of anyone but those people Coming from a guy who has written accident reports for 30 years i can tell you without question the driver of the SUV would be the "striking vehicle" in that report and get the ticket. :)
The biker didnt "cause" the collision Cap. The SUV did. Really, Ive investigated a million of these things. BTW repeating posting after yourself on the internet = "frothing".
very simple. watch the video for lessons. if you watch it, the biker which causes the collision passes the suv(too close i might add) pulls over in front of them(less than a car length), then gets on the brakes, while watching. this all took less than 2 seconds. there is no way that suv dude could've reacted fast enough. this was deliberate on the part of the bikers.
i AM a rider. i don't assume all bikers are ferals, like those guys were acting. i KNOW what it's like to ride in large groups, and small.....and alone. i've been up and down the east coast on my bike several times. i've ridden in groups of hundreds. i know. i get it. yet all of the groups i've ridden in, not in a single instance has any of us ever done anything like that to a cage. never. there isn't an excuse dude. i ain't meaning any disrespect towards you......but there's no excuse for them.
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I dont need to watch it again Cap I write accident reports for a living. First off the biker slows down and doesnt hit the brakes hard. Not that it matters, if you strike a vehicle in front of you in the rear you are the striking vehicle. I guess technically the biker could get a ticket for improper lane change prior but the lane change itself had nothing to do with the accident. If it was only a traffic accident the SUV would get the ticket.
Unless there are extenuating circumstances. Even then I'd still write this SUV driver a ticket for striking the biker initially and let him explain himself in court. Right now he has bigger problems then a traffic ticket.
Just cause your put on an accident report as the striking vehicle, or just cause you get a ticket, doesnt mean your guilty. Only a judge or jury can make that determination.
I used to ride too, with a group. And in all the unending stupid, moronic incidents Ive had to be around like the one being discussed in this thread Ive stood there speechless at how GD stupid and unnecessary they are.
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yea, and this one was unnecessary too. had that biker NOT played that 2 second game, then the other 50 surrounded the suv dude, none of this would be being discussed right now.
you keep telling us to be objective. put yourself in the suv. you're there with wife and kid. would you sit there and wait for police? considering the number of bikers surrounding you? or are you gonna do what yuo feel necessary at that moment to protect your family?
personally, the only mistakes i think the suv dude made, was to stop there.....i'd have changed lanes, and let the bikes in the other lanes dodge me....then his next mistake was getting off of the highway. i'd have stayed on the highway, so i would know i could keep moving till the police did finally get out there. but stop......no way in hell am i stopping in that type of situation for anyone other than a uniformed police officer in a black n white.
on that note, i'm out.
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you keep telling us to be objective. put yourself in the suv. you're there with wife and kid. would you sit there and wait for police? considering the number of bikers surrounding you? or are you gonna do what yuo feel necessary at that moment to protect your family?
Been there, done that. Yes I have had to use force in an off duty traffic altercation. And another time, again while OD, I had to intervene in another to prevent a young guy and his dad from getting beat to death. So I know one party can be right and another wrong. Or one can be "wronger". Or both can be wrong.
And yes its very possible this guy felt he and his family were in fear of great bodily harm and he did what he had to do. But we dont know that and we shouldnt assume it. Personally I avoid these things like the plague. There are some real time bombs out there.
I dont guess but if I had to I'd say this entire thing started off from a miscalculation/assumption on the drivers part, or the stupidity of the #2 vehicles part, made worse by the racial makeup component, causing the #1 driver to get scared and drive over those young people. After that it was "on". But its just a guess.
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I'm gonna go out on a limb here and accept that the suv driver was in fear of great bodily harm or worse, I think that the reasonable man theory will probably bear that out. The use of force continuum does not apply to gangs of motorcyclists, therefore I think that justifying their behavior is a stretch.
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game . set . match .
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I dont need to watch it again Cap I write accident reports for a living. First off the biker slows down and doesnt hit the brakes hard. Not that it matters, if you strike a vehicle in front of you in the rear you are the striking vehicle. I guess technically the biker could get a ticket for improper lane change prior but the lane change itself had nothing to do with the accident. If it was only a traffic accident the SUV would get the ticket.
Unless there are extenuating circumstances. Even then I'd still write this SUV driver a ticket for striking the biker initially and let him explain himself in court. Right now he has bigger problems then a traffic ticket.
Just cause your put on an accident report as the striking vehicle, or just cause you get a ticket, doesnt mean your guilty. Only a judge or jury can make that determination.
I used to ride too, with a group. And in all the unending stupid, moronic incidents Ive had to be around like the one being discussed in this thread Ive stood there speechless at how GD stupid and unnecessary they are.
So you're standing on a train track so your friends can play on the track. The train comes along and runs you and your friends over. It's the train's fault? Nothing personal, but I hope you never play any part of investigating any accident or deliberate attack by a pack of thugs that I'm involved in.
What the bike did to the RR was no different that this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxwi4OJ_3Q4
Now imagine that woman has 100 of her friends surround the car with your family inside and they start to enter the vehicle. There was no "accident", there was a terrorist attack.
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Thugs and terrorists.
Christopher Cruz, 28, of Passaic, NJ, faces misdemeanor charges of reckless driving and imprisonment for suddenly slowing his bike in front of the Range Rover, causing the fender-bender blamed for sparking the chase and violence.
Meanwhile, the only biker injured during the rampage threatened he may sue Lien for running him over with the Range Rover when he hit the gas as his SUV was first surrounded.
“He was attempting to diffuse the situation,” lawyer Gloria Allred said of Edwin Mieses, 32, whom she said may be paralyzed from the waist down “for the rest of his life.”
Mieses hasn't had a valid license in his home state of Massachusetts since 1999, and has never applied for a motorcycle license.
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Ive seen the video. Obviously you didnt see in my post where I said traffic altercation CAN be started by just one party or that its possible this was MC, as in motorcycling, wilding.
But you still dont know what started it. Jeez am I the only objective one around here?
Look not that news paper articles actually tell what actually happened but now they are reporting In other words "nobody knows what fracking happened and the Police are still collecting evidence".
Its possible the biker was actually slowing down in order to slow down the others, to organize the ride, and some sort of verbal confrontation happened. You'll notice an obvious verbal exchange at about 0.18 in the video. He might have been trying to warn the driver of the SUV he was slowing down the group and get them all together. The driver of the SUV had plenty of time to slow down as well and NOT hit the MC driver initially. Then, apparently, there was no physical contact before the SUV driver decided to run over a few bikers and take off.
So how pissed would you be if you saw your friends ran over by an SUV on purpose?
My guess is, based on 30 years of doing this stuff, that the visceral reactions among many is do to the fact the actual attackers of the SUV are black. But even there there is a clue. The Bikers are both white and black so we can rule out bike gangs or street gangs cause they dont mix. Besides there were no Harleys and biker or street gangs dont wear fruity colored helmets and with either the entire affair would have ended with gun fire anyways. Its very likely the entire thing started by accident and progressed thru miscalculation and over reaction.
But I dont know. And neither do any of you. Being a black kid on a motorcycle isnt a crime, nor does it automatically make you a criminal. We have a lot of problems with "flash mobs" here, or "wilding", but Ive never ever seen a racially mixed one.
You either have to be trolling or extremely naive. If you think that the first thing on that driver's mind, while out for a cruise on his WEDDING ANNIVERSARY, was to pick a fight, is nothing short of asinine. The comedy of it all are the bikers instigating, then playing the defense card. Sorry, you lost that privilege when you instigated. Ironic that the cripple didn't have a license.
This is why I have lost faith in this Society and even more so in insurance companies. Make something up and try to get the most while the getting is good. Race has absolutely nothing to do with this, so I have no clue why you keep playing that card in post after post. The cripple got what he deserved, though it is a shame he is still breathing oxygen. Kudos to the driver of the RR.
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Have you lost your mind? Where did I say the SUV driver was "out to pick a fight"?
You either have to be trolling or extremely naive. If you think that the first thing on that driver's mind, while out for a cruise on his WEDDING ANNIVERSARY, was to pick a fight, is nothing short of asinine. The comedy of it all are the bikers instigating, then playing the defense card. Sorry, you lost that privilege when you instigated. Ironic that the cripple didn't have a license.
This is why I have lost faith in this Society and even more so in insurance companies. Make something up and try to get the most while the getting is good. Race has absolutely nothing to do with this, so I have no clue why you keep playing that card in post after post. The cripple got what he deserved, though it is a shame he is still breathing oxygen. Kudos to the driver of the RR.
And what in hell does this analogy have in common with a rear end motor vehicle traffic accident?
So you're standing on a train track so your friends can play on the track. The train comes along and runs you and your friends over. It's the train's fault? Nothing personal, but I hope you never play any part of investigating any accident or deliberate attack by a pack of thugs that I'm involved in.
Boy you just cant educate some people. That or your drunk.
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Ive seen the video. Obviously you didnt see in my post where I said traffic altercation CAN be started by just one party or that its possible this was MC, as in motorcycling, wilding.
But you still dont know what started it. Jeez am I the only objective one around here?
Look not that news paper articles actually tell what actually happened but now they are reporting In other words "nobody knows what fracking happened and the Police are still collecting evidence".
Its possible the biker was actually slowing down in order to slow down the others, to organize the ride, and some sort of verbal confrontation happened. You'll notice an obvious verbal exchange at about 0.18 in the video. He might have been trying to warn the driver of the SUV he was slowing down the group and get them all together. The driver of the SUV had plenty of time to slow down as well and NOT hit the MC driver initially. Then, apparently, there was no physical contact before the SUV driver decided to run over a few bikers and take off.
So how pissed would you be if you saw your friends ran over by an SUV on purpose?
My guess is, based on 30 years of doing this stuff, that the visceral reactions among many is do to the fact the actual attackers of the SUV are black. But even there there is a clue. The Bikers are both white and black so we can rule out bike gangs or street gangs cause they dont mix. Besides there were no Harleys and biker or street gangs dont wear fruity colored helmets and with either the entire affair would have ended with gun fire anyways. Its very likely the entire thing started by accident and progressed thru miscalculation and over reaction.
But I dont know. And neither do any of you. Being a black kid on a motorcycle isnt a crime, nor does it automatically make you a criminal. We have a lot of problems with "flash mobs" here, or "wilding", but Ive never ever seen a racially mixed one.
You typed this post full assumptions. You are clearly the one losing your mind. My analogy is spot on, but it flew over your head.
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You typed this post full assumptions. You are clearly the one losing your mind. My analogy is spot on, but it flew over your head.
I'll try and explain this to with the hope that you can understand this is Traffic Law that BTW I didnt write. A train striking pedestrians on the track has nothing to do with a motor vehicle accident between two or more motor vehicles. It doesnt matter if vehicle 2 stops for a deer, a raccoon, for other traffic, or cause a naked woman is in the window of the house nearby. Its the responsibility of the vehicle in back of him to stop, which makes that vehicle the "striking vehicle".
I have nothing to do with it. Its the GD traffic Law and its the same everywhere in the country. Had this gone no further then the initial accident then Veh #1 "SUV" would be the striking vehicle. Big deal, he might get a ticket and the insurance companies can fight it out.
A train is NOT a motor vehicle because it cannot operate on a road or highway and instead only does so on a fixed track. Thats why your analogy is insane, because it doesnt include any "motor vehicles". Now if you hit the pedestrian on the roadway in your car you'd be the striking vehicle because you were operating a motor vehicle and its your responsibility to avoid a pedestrian. Which means your the striking vehicle, ticket...et al.
I know my post is full of "assumption". I said it was in the post. For the 5'th time nobody here knows what really happened out there during this incident.
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Rich, you're an idiot. Stop posting.
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Rich, you're an idiot. Stop posting.
Joe your a goof. Stop reading. For the rest of you, the ones with brains. I hope you understand that if you get caught up in something like this you'll be surrounded by a world of legaleeze that your going to have to navigate and understand. And if you get in front of a jury you'd better believe race is going to be a factor.
Hey, I tried. But you cant make the horse drink.
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Rich, you're an idiot. Stop posting.
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I have nothing to do with it. Its the GD traffic Law and its the same everywhere in the country. Had this gone no further then the initial accident then Veh #1 "SUV" would be the striking vehicle.
Wrong. The motorcycle purposely struck the RR with his wheel. What part of "attack" don't you understand?
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Why did the bike come to a complete stop in front of Lein's vehicle? You know damn well why.
Why did his punk buddies lay their bikes down in front of Lein's vehicle? You know damn well why.
I know traffic laws but you seem to be posting with an angle of being the devil's advocate.
The cripple/everyone else on bikes committed multiple traffic violations each and one of the morons was dumb enough to not only film it, but post it. The cripple was unlicensed. But please, keep trying to tap dance on a landmine.
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Why did the bike come to a complete stop in front of Lein's vehicle? You know damn well why.
No I dont. Do you? Are you heading the investigation?
Why did his punk buddies lay their bikes down in front of Lein's vehicle? You know damn well why.
See above.
I know traffic laws but you seem to be posting with an angle of being the devil's advocate.
I dont automatically assume anybody is guilty of anything. Thats not my job.
The cripple/everyone else on bikes committed multiple traffic violations each and one of the morons was dumb enough to not only film it, but post it. The cripple was unlicensed. But please, keep trying to tap dance on a landmine.
People were ran over and gravely injured. Another citizen was taken out of an auto and beaten. Who gives a damn about traffic violations? I was only trying to explain to you how the traffic accident system works. How many times do I have to say the last thing they are worried about is traffic tickets right now.
Look, I cant keep trying to explain this. Especially now that the trolls have shown up. And I cant keep posting the same thing again and again only to be misquoted. So, so long to this thread.
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I dont automatically assume anybody is guilty of anything. Thats not my job.
Then why are you automaticly blaming the RR driver?
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Then why are you automaticly blaming the RR driver?
Because "those 50+ idiots" needed to "group up in front of the RR", instead of being civil and legal riders. Instead the criminal with a rap sheet longer than a roll of Charmin finds out what Karma is. Come on rpm, you should have known that already. SUV out for a cruise on his Anniversary instigated the entire thing.
Rich, this discussion has opened up some doors. Behind these doors are some of the most confusing instances of typing syntax that some of us have ever had the displeasure of reading.
My last post is backed by the film recorded. Enjoy your peg leg devil's advocacy.
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No I dont. Do you? Are you heading the investigation?
See above.
I dont automatically assume anybody is guilty of anything. Thats not my job.
People were ran over and gravely injured. Another citizen was taken out of an auto and beaten. Who gives a damn about traffic violations? I was only trying to explain to you how the traffic accident system works. How many times do I have to say the last thing they are worried about is traffic tickets right now.
Look, I cant keep trying to explain this. Especially now that the trolls have shown up. And I cant keep posting the same thing again and again only to be misquoted. So, so long to this thread.
Sorry. You keep tap dancing and I am the one not trolling. The idiots that were run over, wouldn't have been run over if they obeyed simple traffic laws. The cripple would be walking if he hadn't hopped on his uninsured/unregistered bike Sunday. 100's of lane changes, knifing tires (brandishing weapons) and committing assault and battery on another motorist. The traffic violations are presented forth to show the stupidity of any defense of the bikers, which you continue to stick up for.
It is a shame more of those punks didn't get the karma that they most certainly deserve. The irony is one of the morons has given the Criminal Justice system enough license plate shots and photos of reckless driving. In addition, the "legally registered" riders will lose their licenses over this, because of accrued points. No "assumptions" needed.
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Rich, you're an idiot. Stop posting.
It would be nice if you folks would just focus on his point. The investigation is just beginning. Hold your judgment until you know more.
Hey, it would have been nice had the media done that back at the beginning of the Martin-Zimmerman thing, wouldn't it?
Rich does this for a living, he has a useful perspective.
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It would be nice if you folks would just focus on his point. The investigation is just beginning. Hold your judgment until you know more.
Hey, it would have been nice had the media done that back at the beginning of the Martin-Zimmerman thing, wouldn't it?
Rich does this for a living, he has a useful perspective.
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There's no video to the Zimmerman thing.
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There's no video to the Zimmerman thing.
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Unless you were there you're in no position to say what started all this. Clearly someone overreacted.
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Then why are you automaticly blaming the RR driver?
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Ive seen the video.The driver of the SUV had plenty of time to slow down as well and NOT hit the MC driver initially. Then, apparently, there was no physical contact before the SUV driver decided to run over a few bikers and take off.
The RR did not intentionally hit the bike. The bike intentionally hit the RR. The biker was watching so he could bump him on purpose. The bikers also slash a tire once he's stopped and try to enter the RR before he fled for his safety. It was a gang attack, not a fender bender.
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Newest Twist..
2 off doody cops were in the crowd of boynkers doing the attack..
They just stood there and did nothing.. Let it happen! :huh
Mmmmmmm, boy! More honorable behavior by the boys in bloo huh???
Darn no pick host,
So I cant post my Favorite picture of Eric Von Zipper and the Ratz..
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The RR did not intentionally hit the bike. The bike intentionally hit the RR. The biker was watching so he could bump him on purpose. The bikers also slash a tire once he's stopped and try to enter the RR before he fled for his safety. It was a gang attack, not a fender bender.
The video dosn't show his tires getting slashed.
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2 weeks after a bunch of cops shoot at a homeless guy (pulling out a metro card) and hit 2 female bystanders near times Square at the Port Authority Bus Terminal. :headscratch:
\Newest Twist..
2 off doody cops were in the crowd of boynkers doing the attack..
They just stood there and did nothing.. Let it happen! :huh
Mmmmmmm, boy! More honorable behavior by the boys in bloo huh???
Darn no pick host,
So I cant post my Favorite picture of Eric Von Zipper and the Ratz..
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The video dosn't show his tires getting slashed.
It does but is difficult to see. It happens after running over the cripple and when they stop him on the freeway after. When he stopped in the end, both drivers side tires are flat.
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Newest Twist..
2 off doody cops were in the crowd of boynkers doing the attack..
They just stood there and did nothing.. Let it happen! :huh
Mmmmmmm, boy! More honorable behavior by the boys in bloo huh???
Darn no pick host,
So I cant post my Favorite picture of Eric Von Zipper and the Ratz..
More like 5 off duty cops.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2445011/5-duty-NYPD-officers-bikers-involved-Edwin-Mieses-Jr-SUV-attack.html
rich forgets about the 200+ 911 calls about the bikers before the incident with the Rover
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All the pictures of the crying thug wife in the world cannot make me feel sorry for this shaved eye brow having pos. Maybe his biker buddies will soup up his hoverround so he can continue being a sweetheart...in which case hopefully he finds his way under an 18 wheeler next time so he doesn't spread his worthless behaviors to his children. :banana:
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All the pictures of the crying thug wife in the world cannot make me feel sorry for this shaved eye brow having pos. Maybe his biker buddies will soup up his hoverround so he can continue being a sweetheart...in which case hopefully he finds his way under an 18 wheeler next time so he doesn't spread his worthless behaviors to his children. :banana:
some early reports are now saying that he was the only one that actually was telling the others to back off. not sure how accurate that is. but the ones who I feel should really end up under a bus are all the officers and possible correctional officers who were there and did nothing. and to top it off it took four days for them to come forward. they were all part of the same motorcycle club so I find it hard to believe that "nobody" knew they were officers and they didnt "want to blow" their cover.
semp
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Newest Twist..
2 off doody cops were in the crowd of boynkers doing the attack..
They just stood there and did nothing.. Let it happen! :huh
Mmmmmmm, boy! More honorable behavior by the boys in bloo huh???
Darn no pick host,
So I cant post my Favorite picture of Eric Von Zipper and the Ratz..
Hold fast your tongue! Ever consider that they were under cover and investigating some of the very thugs involved? Ever consider that there were 30+ vs the 1 or 2 of them and they may not even have known each other (sound like being on the receiving end of a squeakop horde in the MA)? Ever consider that neither of the LEO's were armed, or had a phone, or had any other means to do anything but step in and protect the guy at the last moment before serious injuries? Point being is that we have no idea and will probably never know, so be very careful in taking the liberty in assuming that they could have waded right on in and not only stopped the bellybutton woopin' but hauled all of the perps to jail. Until you've walked a mile in their shoes, or been in a similar situation, it is best to keep your mind open. And even then... :aok
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Hold fast your tongue! Ever consider that they were under cover and investigating some of the very thugs involved? Ever consider that there were 30+ vs the 1 or 2 of them and they may not even have known each other (sound like being on the receiving end of a squeakop horde in the MA)? Ever consider that neither of the LEO's were armed, or had a phone, or had any other means to do anything but step in and protect the guy at the last moment before serious injuries? Point being is that we have no idea and will probably never know, so be very careful in taking the liberty in assuming that they could have waded right on in and not only stopped the bellybutton woopin' but hauled all of the perps to jail. Until you've walked a mile in their shoes, or been in a similar situation, it is best to keep your mind open. And even then... :aok
ok it looks like there were 5 "undercover" officers "none of them armed" according to you. plus also some correctional officers "doing undercover work" maybe. and they lost all credibility about being "undercover" when it took them 4 days to come forward.
I bet next months ah dues that it is just a bunch of guys who think it's fun to shut down the freeway so they can do stunts. and the officers were all part of it and not working on the job. after all the reports clearly say they were "off duty". not saying that officers were part of those who "threw the punches" but the were there regardless. (irregardless?)
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THE Legal expert. http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/03/opinion/cevallos-motorbike-bias/index.html
First, in the video, a motorcyclist appears to deliberately slow down in front of the SUV, which then collides with the cycle. The law in most states presumptively holds the rear ending vehicle liable. If the driver in front makes a sudden stop, that can overcome this presumption. But in the case of rear enders, even defense attorneys will often concede liability, so it's certainly possible that a jury could find Lien completely at fault for an accident.
And OUR Legal expert. :lol Wrong. The motorcycle purposely struck the RR with his wheel. What part of "attack" don't you understand?
THE Legal expert. If it's proven that Lien ran over Mieses, he could be considered a "fleeing felon." New York, like other states, criminalizes leaving the scene of a motor vehicle accident. In a case like this, in which someone is seriously injured, flight is a potential felony. So was Lien fleeing for his life, or was he a fleeing felon?
Third, it's true that a lot of bikers gave chase. Was this alone permissible? In New York, a citizen acting on his own may use non-deadly force to prevent the escape of a person who has committed a crime. Lien's tires were slashed and his windows bashed in. Was that appropriate force? Those acts themselves are non-deadly. If so, were the bikers apprehending a fleeing criminal within the law?
And OUR Legal expert. :roflWhy did the bike come to a complete stop in front of Lein's vehicle? You know damn well why.
Why did his punk buddies lay their bikes down in front of Lein's vehicle? You know damn well why.
I know traffic laws but you seem to be posting with an angle of being the devil's advocate.
The cripple/everyone else on bikes committed multiple traffic violations each and one of the morons was dumb enough to not only film it, but post it. The cripple was unlicensed. But please, keep trying to tap dance on a landmine.
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But as drivers slowed and pulled to the right to let the motorcyclists pass, the Range Rover remained in the center lane, the video appears to show. The first crash occurred as a rider slowed to a near-stop in front of the S.U.V.
The video does not clearly depict the actions of the motorcyclists at that point. But the police said the driver of the S.U.V., Alexian Lien, 33, quite likely feared for his safety as he sat in the vehicle with his wife and 2-year-old daughter — his car stopped and surrounded. One of the riders smashed the Range Rover’s driver side mirror, the police said.
Leaving the scene of an accident can be justified if the driver feels threatened by a menacing mob, prosecutors said. “If you are being physically threatened, the law doesn’t contemplate that you have to remain at the scene,” said Maureen McCormick, a former vehicular crimes prosecutor in Brooklyn.
The man who turned himself in, Allen Edwards, can be seen in the video pounding on the S.U.V. with his hands as another rider smashes the driver’s side window with his helmet, the police said. Mr. Edwards, 42, of Jamaica, Queens, was present when Mr. Lien was assaulted, the police said. He was charged with reckless endangerment, criminal mischief and menacing.
The motorcyclist who was arrested, Christopher Cruz, 28, of Passaic, N.J., was charged on Tuesday with reckless driving, reckless endangerment, endangering the welfare of a child and menacing.
Still sounds like the RR driver is a fleeing criminal as your "Legal Expert" wants to claim?
Also looking at the guys youtube channel there are other videos of the same group attacking others. One video having them punching a passenger of a car through an open window cause the driver didn't move out of their way. and another where they attack an old lady's car cause they ran a red light and she nearly hit them.
These punks feel like they own the road, and its pretty pathetic that you want to defend them.
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Still sounds like the RR driver is a fleeing criminal as your "Legal Expert" wants to claim?
Also looking at the guys youtube channel there are other videos of the same group attacking others. One video having them punching a passenger of a car through an open window cause the driver didn't move out of their way. and another where they attack an old lady's car cause they ran a red light and she nearly hit them.
These punks feel like they own the road, and its pretty pathetic that you want to defend them.
dude they arent all criminals, some are law abiding police officers and correction officers who have joined that club. of course they joined "while going undercover". and according to the wife the "hover round" candidate, so were fed ex employees and lots of other who were investigating a bunch of hooligans.
one more example of why I begining to believe in karma.
semp
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I'm curious what Rich would have done in the same situation with a gang attacking his family. Sit there and let them attack his family because he'll get a ticket if he resists? This is not a traffic accident, it is a terrorist attack. Why is that so danged hard to understand? The bikers didn't even have the right to be on the street without license and insurance. The family showed overwhelming restraint in not taking out more of the thugs. They only took out the necessary minimum to escape.
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I'm curious what Rich would have done in the same situation with a gang attacking his family. Sit there and let them attack his family because he'll get a ticket if he resists? This is not a traffic accident, it is a terrorist attack. Why is that so danged hard to understand? The bikers didn't even have the right to be on the street without license and insurance. The family showed overwhelming restraint in not taking out more of the thugs. They only took out the necessary minimum to escape.
that is not fair regarding what rich would you have done. what would you have done?
semp
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that is not fair regarding what rich would you have done. what would you have done?
semp
read back a few pages. a few of us have said what we'd have done. i would not have even slowed down for captain brakecheck. i'd have not left the highway. i'd have not stopped for anyone/anything short of a uniformed officer in a marked cruiser.
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Hold fast your tongue! Ever consider that they were under cover and investigating some of the very thugs involved? Ever consider that there were 30+ vs the 1 or 2 of them and they may not even have known each other (sound like being on the receiving end of a squeakop horde in the MA)? Ever consider that neither of the LEO's were armed, or had a phone, or had any other means to do anything but step in and protect the guy at the last moment before serious injuries? Point being is that we have no idea and will probably never know, so be very careful in taking the liberty in assuming that they could have waded right on in and not only stopped the bellybutton woopin' but hauled all of the perps to jail. Until you've walked a mile in their shoes, or been in a similar situation, it is best to keep your mind open. And even then... :aok
Hot Damn, you sound like excuse central!
Do you work for John McCain???
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read back a few pages. a few of us have said what we'd have done. i would not have even slowed down for captain brakecheck. i'd have not left the highway. i'd have not stopped for anyone/anything short of a uniformed officer in a marked cruiser.
yeah but what about rpm?
semp
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that is not fair regarding what rich would you have done. what would you have done?
The same as the family did, but with less hesitation.
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THE Legal expert. http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/03/opinion/cevallos-motorbike-bias/index.html
And OUR Legal expert. :lol
THE Legal expert.
And OUR Legal expert. :rofl
All BS.... The video clearly shows that the Lien had every reason to believe that his family and himself were in a life threatening situation. NYPD and the District Attorney have stated that no charges will be brought. Except for the undercover cops who were there and did nothing. They are likely to be suspended, or even fired. I know, you would have written Lien a ticket or three... Standing over the bleeding and battered driver, "license, registration and insurance card, please." Your reasoning shows me that you're exactly the type of cop I don't want on my streets. I have two brothers on the job, county sheriff and county PD. Both have stated that they believe that Lien did what he had to do... That dirtbag who got run over for blocking the SUV... 12 page rap sheet, dealing drugs, illegal handgun and much more. Yeah, he wanted to detain Lien in the interest of justice.... I hope he enjoys his colostomy bag.
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The same as the family did, but with less hesitation.
but you werent there. it's all "what if" .
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dude they arent all criminals, some are law abiding police officers
Are there such things? :D
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What would I have done? Seriously? I'll try and keep this to one liners so Im not mis quoted by the trolls.
I remember the date but not the year. It was a Sept. 1 over 20 years ago, I remember cause I was going home after Dove opener which is always Sept. 1 and I had my vizsla with me.
And OTW home I saw a traffic altercation with a big group around it, "my old neighborhood had gone to mostly pakistani and India immigrants". A Indian man and his son had gotten into a car accident with a group of Pakistanis and they were beating the snot out of them with bats and sticks in the street with a big Paki crowd egging them on. "I guess the two groups dont get along to well".
What to do? No cell phones. No back up. Only my little .38 snub in my pocket with one reload. And sure as hell not wanting to get in an OD incident cause the Dept. despises when one of us does so.
So I did the only thing I could do. I drew my .38, jumped out of my truck with my bird dog, and acted so crazy i scared the crowd into retreating and the offenders to run, "apprehending one". I got one citizen to make it to the pay phone and call in the 10-1. Actually I think they were more scared of the dog. Heres my former Police/Dove dog. (http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr149/Rich46yo/outdoors/caye-1.jpg)
What would I have done here? Seeing a guy dragged out of a car by a few with a mob around? Probably the same. Dont ask me why, $80,000 a year aint worth it and you still get insulted and belittled all the time anyways. Most of all by little trolls on the internet.
But that piece of paper created in 1787 is pretty clear on the rights of Americans. Even those who ride MCs. They to have the right to life and liberty, and even more important "due process". And I take oaths pretty seriously.
Somehow a couple of these legal eagles have convinced others here Ive said the bikers are right and the driver wrong. It must be the paragraphs. Some people find them hard to get thru so I'll use one liners here.
I dont know who is right or wrong or if both are. And neither do you. All involved have the right to due process and impartial treatment. God help us when were all at the mercy of street corner video cameras alone for justice.
So....thats what "I" have done. Now go ahead and call me a Liar, misquote me, and insult my career choice like a good little troll. The US Constitution gives you that right.
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That's as good an answer as any, Rich. I apologise if I got hot under the collar in this thread, wasn't aimed at you.
:cheers:
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See Rules #4, #6
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All BS.... The video clearly shows that the Lien had every reason to believe that his family and himself were in a life threatening situation. NYPD and the District Attorney have stated that no charges will be brought. Except for the undercover cops who were there and did nothing. They are likely to be suspended, or even fired. I know, you would have written Lien a ticket or three... Standing over the bleeding and battered driver, "license, registration and insurance card, please." Your reasoning shows me that you're exactly the type of cop I don't want on my streets. I have two brothers on the job, county sheriff and county PD. Both have stated that they believe that Lien did what he had to do... That dirtbag who got run over for blocking the SUV... 12 page rap sheet, dealing drugs, illegal handgun and much more. Yeah, he wanted to detain Lien in the interest of justice.... I hope he enjoys his colostomy bag.
Rich is pretending to be the legal expert. He just doesn't realize it.
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All opinions aside, I am still trying to figure out why the guy went deeper INTO the city :headscratch:
At what point did he think that he WOULDN'T get stuck in traffic?
I believe that I would have called 911 and stayed on the highway, moving, until I saw a marked cruiser.
That's just me.
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but you werent there. it's all "what if" .
semp
hhmm......video clearly shows bike dude pass too close, pull in front too close, and brake harder than suv dude could have. all the while, there's multiple other bikes in the process of surrounding suv dude. it's crystal clear in the video. not much room for "what if" in there. what happened before the video, (although it wasn't posted for a reason...probably due to the fact that it would further incriminate the bike dudes) is pretty much irrelevant. even IF the bike dudes were wronged just before that, it does not in any way justify what they attempted to do there. once they did that, they put themselves clearly in the wrong. and then proceeded to show nearly 10 minutes of them being in the wrong. criminally so.
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That's as good an answer as any, Rich. I apologise if I got hot under the collar in this thread, wasn't aimed at you.
:cheers:
it is. from a "passers by" aspect. i believe(although i could be wrong) that the question was what would he have done in the shoes of suv dude. at that point where they surrounded him. not being armed. with his wife and kid there.
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All opinions aside, I am still trying to figure out why the guy went deeper INTO the city :headscratch:
At what point did he think that he WOULDN'T get stuck in traffic?
I believe that I would have called 911 and stayed on the highway, moving, until I saw a marked cruiser.
That's just me.
in my opinion, that was his #2 mistake. the #1 mistake was stopping to begin with in the start of the video.
if i had to guess, he was looking for a cop. from what i've heard, his wife was on 911 the whole time, but no police in sight. i'd almost bet that he figured if he got off the highway, he'd surely spot an officer that he could seek help/protection from.
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If Mr. Lien is held accountable for anything it is a clear indication that your justice systems needs tweaking.
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hhmm......video clearly shows bike dude pass too close, pull in front too close, and brake harder than suv dude could have. all the while, there's multiple other bikes in the process of surrounding suv dude. it's crystal clear in the video. not much room for "what if" in there. what happened before the video, (although it wasn't posted for a reason...probably due to the fact that it would further incriminate the bike dudes) is pretty much irrelevant. even IF the bike dudes were wronged just before that, it does not in any way justify what they attempted to do there. once they did that, they put themselves clearly in the wrong. and then proceeded to show nearly 10 minutes of them being in the wrong. criminally so.
video doesnt matter. rpm was asking rich what he would have done. I was asking rpm what he would have done. like I said, none of us was there. it's all "what if's" after the fact.
semp
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All BS.... The video clearly shows that the Lien had every reason to believe that his family and himself were in a life threatening situation. NYPD and the District Attorney have stated that no charges will be brought. Except for the undercover cops who were there and did nothing. They are likely to be suspended, or even fired. I know, you would have written Lien a ticket or three... Standing over the bleeding and battered driver, "license, registration and insurance card, please." Your reasoning shows me that you're exactly the type of cop I don't want on my streets. I have two brothers on the job, county sheriff and county PD. Both have stated that they believe that Lien did what he had to do... That dirtbag who got run over for blocking the SUV... 12 page rap sheet, dealing drugs, illegal handgun and much more. Yeah, he wanted to detain Lien in the interest of justice.... I hope he enjoys his colostomy bag.
I never said I'd do anything you blathering nincompoop. I was reciting what the law says.
Nor am I "pretending" anything. I do have much expertise in the criminal enforcement area.
Widewing of the trolls in this thread you surprise me the most. I actually expected more maturity and moral fiber out of you.
GScholz Scandinavians generally are a dignified people. I guess your the one designated sweetheartbag.
Thanks to the thoughtful posters who dont feel the need to crap with the herd and can make morale stands. We'll let justice take its course here.
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(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/26232318/mrchurchomg.jpg)
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it is. from a "passers by" aspect. i believe(although i could be wrong) that the question was what would he have done in the shoes of suv dude. at that point where they surrounded him. not being armed. with his wife and kid there.
This. The family took the only logical route of escape from an attack. The driver messed up taking the off ramp, but he was on 3 tires and probably thought he couldn't go much farther.
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This. The family took the only logical route of escape from an attack. The driver messed up taking the off ramp, but he was on 3 tires and probably thought he couldn't go much farther.
kinda looked like they surrounded him and were forcing him to slow down/move onto local streets.
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If Mr. Lien is held accountable for anything it is a clear indication that your justice systems needs twerking.
Fixed! :devil
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I wouldn't count on this skell getting a nickle... Saw his rap sheet. 12 pages long. Several convictions; selling cocaine, illegal handgun among them with many other offenses. His drivers license has been revoked in NY and Mass.
He was committing a felony when we was run over... Justice can take many forms....
It would certainly be an interesting round table to sit in on and given his rap sheet the claimant would not present well on his own behalf, but what we're really concerned with here is this particular occurrence.
I know insurance companies get a bad rap as "deny, deny, deny" but that's not generally how it goes in a liability claim like this with a relatively young, paralyzed claimant. I know I've sat in plenty of round tables for questionable liability claims where compromised offers were extended for various reasons. I don't know enough about the claim to hazard a guess as to how this one might go, but I can guarantee you that if the claimant attorney presents a reasonable demand it would at least be considered. There are a lot of factors to weigh here. It sucks sometimes but it is the way it is.
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All opinions aside, I am still trying to figure out why the guy went deeper INTO the city :headscratch:
At what point did he think that he WOULDN'T get stuck in traffic?
I believe that I would have called 911 and stayed on the highway, moving, until I saw a marked cruiser.
That's just me.
In a situation like that, with your family in the car, the only way you can think to go is 'forward'.. unless you've been trained for such high-stress situations (IE Military, SWAT, so on so forth)
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I'll say it again...
1) The bikers clearly intended to cause the SUV to rear end him and was looking back anticipating the collision.
2) Once the family noticed that the bikers were following him, why did he drive further into the city? He should have drove to the nearest police/highway patrol station...
I understand that the driver was stressed, understandably, but as others have stated, why then go into the city?
I suspect that there is more going on than what we all have been informed and without the whole picture we are just blowing steam.
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In a situation like that, with your family in the car, the only way you can think to go is 'forward'.. unless you've been trained for such high-stress situations (IE Military, SWAT, so on so forth)
completely disagree.
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I never said I'd do anything you blathering nincompoop. I was reciting what the law says.
Nor am I "pretending" anything. I do have much expertise in the criminal enforcement area.
Widewing of the trolls in this thread you surprise me the most. I actually expected more maturity and moral fiber out of you.
GScholz Scandinavians generally are a dignified people. I guess your the one designated sweetheartbag.
Thanks to the thoughtful posters who dont feel the need to crap with the herd and can make morale stands. We'll let justice take its course here.
I have zero tolerance for hooligans who terrorize innocent people. ZERO. Did you see any of this group's other videos? They thrive on harassing citizens and the police. These are not kids.... Many are in their middle 30s. There's not a doubt in my mind that Lien being Asian was a factor...
Calling me troll is what I expected, and I could care less. Your opinion on anything related to this is certainly dubious, at best.
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I have zero tolerance for hooligans who terrorize innocent people. ZERO. Did you see any of this group's other videos? They thrive on harassing citizens and the police. These are not kids.... Many are in their middle 30s. There's not a doubt in my mind that Lien being Asian was a factor...
Calling me troll is what I expected, and I could care less. Your opinion on anything related to this is certainly dubious, at best.
You are not alone in your thinking.
This group thrives upon intimidating drivers. Before the first hit you can see these bananas riding along side, taunting, and looking in the windows (and NOT as a casual passer-by). They were trying to cause a ruckus (many/most of them, though not all).
While I wish for no harm to anyone, but sometimes karma is a beetch. If you want to ride with the big dogs just remember there are even bigger dogs out there. I hope all involved get what they have coming to them.
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In a situation like that, with your family in the car, the only way you can think to go is 'forward'.. unless you've been trained for such high-stress situations (IE Military, SWAT, so on so forth)
If you have ever driven in NYC, you would understand where I am coming from.
Driving in the city is, in and of itself, a high stress situation.
You could get off of any exit, at any time of day and traffic could be backed-up for blocks. Even staying on the highway is not a sure-fire way to avoid that.
He was going forward, exiting was not the wisest of choices, unfortunately.
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In a situation like that, with your family in the car, the only way you can think to go is 'forward'.. unless you've been trained for such high-stress situations (IE Military, SWAT, so on so forth)
Not really. Common sense and some basic handgun training go a long way.
I'll say it again...
1) The bikers clearly intended to cause the SUV to rear end him and was looking back anticipating the collision.
2) Once the family noticed that the bikers were following him, why did he drive further into the city? He should have drove to the nearest police/highway patrol station...
I understand that the driver was stressed, understandably, but as others have stated, why then go into the city?
I suspect that there is more going on than what we all have been informed and without the whole picture we are just blowing steam.
The guy was more than likely just trying to keep going afraid of what would happen if he stopped. And he was right. Why not drive further in to the city? More people, more police one would think. I would have thought he would have ran across a damn cop at some point during the 50 block terror chase in NYC. Where were all the armored assault vehicles they tool around in when you need one? When you call 911 from a cell phone they can plot your position and the dispatcher may have been telling him where to go as well.
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I have zero tolerance for hooligans who terrorize innocent people. ZERO. Did you see any of this group's other videos? They thrive on harassing citizens and the police. These are not kids.... Many are in their middle 30s. There's not a doubt in my mind that Lien being Asian was a factor...
Calling me troll is what I expected, and I could care less. Your opinion on anything related to this is certainly dubious, at best.
I stand united with this post. Yes, I have watched a couple of other videos of this group of thugs.
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I have zero tolerance for hooligans who terrorize innocent people. ZERO. Did you see any of this group's other videos? They thrive on harassing citizens and the police. These are not kids.... Many are in their middle 30s. There's not a doubt in my mind that Lien being Asian was a factor...
Calling me troll is what I expected, and I could care less. Your opinion on anything related to this is certainly dubious, at best.
this......
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Ive seen the video. Obviously you didnt see in my post where I said traffic altercation CAN be started by just one party or that its possible this was MC, as in motorcycling, wilding.
But you still dont know what started it. Jeez am I the only objective one around here?
Look not that news paper articles actually tell what actually happened but now they are reporting In other words "nobody knows what fracking happened and the Police are still collecting evidence".
Its possible the biker was actually slowing down in order to slow down the others, to organize the ride, and some sort of verbal confrontation happened. You'll notice an obvious verbal exchange at about 0.18 in the video. He might have been trying to warn the driver of the SUV he was slowing down the group and get them all together. The driver of the SUV had plenty of time to slow down as well and NOT hit the MC driver initially. Then, apparently, there was no physical contact before the SUV driver decided to run over a few bikers and take off.
So how pissed would you be if you saw your friends ran over by an SUV on purpose?
My guess is, based on 30 years of doing this stuff, that the visceral reactions among many is do to the fact the actual attackers of the SUV are black. But even there there is a clue. The Bikers are both white and black so we can rule out bike gangs or street gangs cause they dont mix. Besides there were no Harleys and biker or street gangs dont wear fruity colored helmets and with either the entire affair would have ended with gun fire anyways. Its very likely the entire thing started by accident and progressed thru miscalculation and over reaction.
But I dont know. And neither do any of you. Being a black kid on a motorcycle isnt a crime, nor does it automatically make you a criminal. We have a lot of problems with "flash mobs" here, or "wilding", but Ive never ever seen a racially mixed one.
This is the most obtuse line of reasoning that I've seen in a long time....
300 out of control bikers, riding on sidewalks, passing on the shoulders, speeding, driving unregistered, uninsured bikes and quads. Later, 55 bikes and quads impounded. 7 knives and one .32 cal pistol collected. A dozen arrests not related to the Lien incident. All of this and you really believe that who started the Lien lunacy is in doubt? Seriously? NYPD and the DA Office have already classified it as a "gang attack", and are considering adding a hate crime charge (because Lien and family are Asian). Lien told police that this whole thing started when several bikers rode very close to his vehicle while weaving back and forth. Lien stated that he beeped his horn and several bikers became enraged.
You assume that we can rule out that "bikers are both white and black so we can rule out bike gangs or street gangs cause they dont mix." Wrong assumption. Many in this crowd didn't know more than a few of the participants. This isn't about race, it's about a sub-culture. A sub-culture that ignores the law and has a complete disregard for the safety of ordinary drivers and pedestrians. Their videos clearly establish this. Here's four videos shot by the same guy, earlier, just before the encounter with Lien.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3cd_1380579664 (http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3cd_1380579664)
You state, "Then, apparently, there was no physical contact before the SUV driver decided to run over a few bikers and take off." More nonsense. There's rock solid evidence (from the video, the Lien family and other witnesses) that the mob attempted to get into the Rover, and slashed two tires. So, Lien is surrounded by a mob, some wielding knives and trying to get into his vehicle. Your comment, "the SUV driver decided to run over a few bikers and take off", is preposterous on it's face. You know, there's objective and then there's obtuse. You, my friend, seem inclined to the latter.
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This is the most obtuse line of reasoning that I've seen in a long time....
300 out of control bikers, riding on sidewalks, passing on the shoulders, speeding, driving unregistered, uninsured bikes and quads. Later, 55 bikes and quads impounded. 7 knives and one .32 cal pistol collected. A dozen arrests not related to the Lien incident. All of this and you really believe that who started the Lien lunacy is in doubt? Seriously? NYPD and the DA Office have already classified it as a "gang attack", and are considering adding a hate crime charge (because Lien and family are Asian). Lien told police that this whole thing started when several bikers rode very close to his vehicle while weaving back and forth. Lien stated that he beeped his horn and several bikers became enraged.
You assume that we can rule out that "bikers are both white and black so we can rule out bike gangs or street gangs cause they dont mix." Wrong assumption. Many in this crowd didn't know more than a few of the participants. This isn't about race, it's about a sub-culture. A sub-culture that ignores the law and has a complete disregard for the safety of ordinary drivers and pedestrians. Their videos clearly establish this. Here's four videos shot by the same guy, earlier, just before the encounter with Lien.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3cd_1380579664 (http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3cd_1380579664)
You state, "Then, apparently, there was no physical contact before the SUV driver decided to run over a few bikers and take off." More nonsense. There's rock solid evidence (from the video, the Lien family and other witnesses) that the mob attempted to get into the Rover, and slashed two tires. So, Lien is surrounded by a mob, some wielding knives and trying to get into his vehicle. Your comment, "the SUV driver decided to run over a few bikers and take off", is preposterous on it's face. You know, there's objective and then there's obtuse. You, my friend, seem inclined to the latter.
Looks like they can barely keep from running over each other...
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Story gets even better, That undercover cop that was amongst the group may be facing charges himself.
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/undercover-lied-role-biker-beatdown-suv-driver-source-article-1.1479369
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but you werent there. it's all "what if" .
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What if one of the people who were there and attacking you was a cop?
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What if one of the people who were there and attacking you was a cop?
What if he was undercover?
What if a pirate ship swooped out of the sky and showed them their booty? :lol
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What if he was undercover?
What if a pirate ship swooped out of the sky and showed them their booty? :lol
The detective in question, was not on duty nor working this group under cover. He was on his own time, doing his own thing. His career is over (as it should be) and he will very fortunate to escape some jail time. The DA wants to make an example of this guy, as does the NYPD brass. He was directly involved in attacking the Range Rover, breaking a window, which shattered all over the infant in the back seat. All seen on video not yet released by the DA's Office.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVbw_ZMQT4M
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What if one of the people who were there and attacking you was a cop?
what if I wasn't there?
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you would then look at the video which makes it painfully obvious what those biketards intended. :noid
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The detective in question, was not on duty nor working this group under cover. He was on his own time, doing his own thing. His career is over (as it should be) and he will very fortunate to escape some jail time. The DA wants to make an example of this guy, as does the NYPD brass. He was directly involved in attacking the Range Rover, breaking a window, which shattered all over the infant in the back seat. All seen on video not yet released by the DA's Office.
I was being facetious. I don't care if he was the chief of police or Gandhi.
I'm sure that there is plenty more to the story that hasn't come to light, yet.
I'm sure that any further evidence that is revealed will only add to prove that the group was up to no good.
From what I have seen so far, I have no "benefit of the doubt" to offer. I think the only thing I would have done differently in the situation would be to keep running them over...
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what if I wasn't there?
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The cops would still point their dirty looks in your direction, because they know where you live :noid
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This thread is full of stupid as are the crotch rocket and chook chaser riders in question. Three pages in and my head hurts, people happy to kill a yamaha rider but not a harley rider etc. Too many other things to mention.
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people happy to kill a yamaha rider but not a harley rider etc. T
I used to ride ALOT, I mean 30k in a summer. I had a Harley, had a 54 triumph that was chopped. reckless is reckless, I wouldnt change my opinion no matter what the bike was, and as stated before THEM GUYS ARE NOT BIKERS, they are punks on bikes.
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This thread is full of stupid as are the crotch rocket and chook chaser riders in question. Three pages in and my head hurts, people happy to kill a yamaha rider but not a harley rider etc. Too many other things to mention.
I think there was only one post in this entire thread that was actually negative to what they ride...
However, I am of the opinion that it doesn't matter what brand of motorcycle they decided to be idiots with, just the fact they decided to act like idiots in a public place.
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I used to ride ALOT, I mean 30k in a summer. I had a Harley, had a 54 triumph that was chopped. reckless is reckless, I wouldnt change my opinion no matter what the bike was, and as stated before THEM GUYS ARE NOT BIKERS, they are punks on bikes.
I admit that is one bike I would like to own....you shoulda kept it...I had a 69 Bonneville....shoulda kept it :(
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I admit that is one bike I would like to own....you shoulda kept it...I had a 69 Bonneville....shoulda kept it :(
Yes indeed. Triumph's were and still are THEE bike to have [says the owner of a '11 Thunderbird]. :aok
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hahahaha I had 2 triumphs, my 54 and a 72 bonnie. rode the crap outta both. My 54 was chopped, took a country mile to turn around, had a jockey shift that took A LONG TIME to get used to as the shifter is on the right, right foot was clutch, left foot was brake, left handle grip was throttle, yeah I was all messed up when I first got it going :rofl
e [says the owner of a '11 Thunderbird]. Thumbs UP!
how do you like the new trumpets? A friend of mine had a ton of issues with his bonnie, not sure what year it was something around an 08 or so.