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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: dirt911 on November 25, 2013, 09:03:06 PM
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So I re-upped my subscription about two days ago, I seriously aint liking it much. Since I started playing years ago alot has changed and the changes have really messed me up as far as gameplay, I'd honestly say though the real issue I find myself having is simply the perspective and positions the players find themselves being forced into.
However I will say my Goodbye, for now I just got A nice strat and I think ima spend my time with that for a while and see what happens.
:salute to all, and may your rounds always shoot straight.
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I'd honestly say though the real issue I find myself having is simply the perspective and positions the players find themselves being forced into.
I don't understand that comment, is HTC asking you to sell meth on the street or something?
Either way, good luck to you. :)
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That's interesting... I recently returned after a long break and was a little disappointed in how little had changed...
That said, I have been having fun... So, it's all good.
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That's interesting... I recently returned after a long break and was a little disappointed in how little had changed...
That said, I have been having fun... So, it's all good.
I still enjoy dogfights but it is pretty dated. Surely the graphics could be tweaked, no?
Great game though.
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Surely the graphics could be tweaked, no?
Check out the threads on the current graphics updates that are in progress. New terrain foundation, lots to build off of here.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,356101.0.html
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,356263.0.html
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,356262.0.html
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Fascinating.
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Whats that supposed to mean? :furious
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:headscratch:
If you elaborated on ppl being forced into, we might know what you...ahhhnvm.
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(http://www.myspaceantics.com//images/myspace-comments/goodbye/bye-bye.gif)
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Nothing has changed for me, just more pretty planes and still dieing in style.
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Check out the threads on the current graphics updates that are in progress. New terrain foundation, lots to build off of here.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,356101.0.html
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,356263.0.html
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,356262.0.html
I saw this already. Terrain okay fine but how about airplanes?
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Um....cya! :D
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I saw this already. Terrain okay fine but how about airplanes?
you have everything maxed out already, including shadows and environment mapping?
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you have everything maxed out already, including shadows and environment mapping?
I can't answer that with certainty. Let me check and get back to you.
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uhhhh, How about them Cowboys? :D
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uhhhh, How about them Cowboys? :D
strange weekend of upset football...
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I can't answer that with certainty. Let me check and get back to you.
if you can't answer that you have your graphics maxed out then it is not right for you to say the planes need tweaking. The planes that have been recently remodeled in the last yea and 1/2 have been incredible looking with graphics cranked up.
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if you can't answer that you have your graphics maxed out then it is not right for you to say the planes need tweaking. The planes that have been recently remodeled in the last yea and 1/2 have been incredible looking with graphics cranked up.
Wow, be a jerk about it. :rolleyes:
This just points back to what others have said. If my graphics are porked I sure had no idea until now. Lack of help for new players abides.
And attitude problems from d-cks like you won't keep people around long. :old:
I have every right to comment regardless. My experience is a parallel to the larger base who install and fly without tweaking graphics, and it looks like a damned cartoon compared to other turnkey sims.
:bhead
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Wow, be a jerk about it. :rolleyes:
This just points back to what others have said. If my graphics are porked I sure had no idea until now. Lack of help for new players abides.
And attitude problems from d-cks like you won't keep people around long. :old:
I have every right to comment regardless. My experience is a parallel to the larger base who install and fly without tweaking graphics, and it looks like a damned cartoon compared to other turnkey sims.
:bhead
I grew up with Pong and Breakout. We had an overlay for the B&W TV so the breakout bricks had color. My first WWII sim was battlehawks 1942
(http://www.gameclassification.com/files/games/Battlehawks-1942.gif)
AH looks fine to me :)
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Wow, be a jerk about it. :rolleyes:
This just points back to what others have said. If my graphics are porked I sure had no idea until now. Lack of help for new players abides.
And attitude problems from d-cks like you won't keep people around long. :old:
I have every right to comment regardless. My experience is a parallel to the larger base who install and fly without tweaking graphics, and it looks like a damned cartoon compared to other turnkey sims.
:bhead
Ignorance is not an excuse kettle. I spent a week reading plane reviews, game courtesy to setting up graphics and keyboard mapping before logging in AH since it was my first PC game. Complaining about something without even knowing your settings is asinine.
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I grew up with Pong and Breakout. We had an overlay for the B&W TV so the breakout bricks had color. My first WWII sim was battlehawks 1942
(http://www.gameclassification.com/files/games/Battlehawks-1942.gif)
AH looks fine to me :)
I grew up before Pong. AH is dated and kids playing COD and War Thunder think this looks like Pong. They aren't biting.
YMMV.
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Ignorance is not an excuse kettle. I spent a week reading plane reviews, game courtesy to setting up graphics and keyboard mapping before logging in AH since it was my first PC game. Complaining about something without even knowing your settings is asinine.
Not half as asinine as your attitude.
First PC game. That explains it. :rolleyes: 2013 now, Beavis, not 1990. Grab their attention by default, don't make them hunt for it. With lower powered base units lower graphics and resolution levels as default were necessary. Not now.
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Not half as asinine as your attitude.
First PC game. That explains it. :rolleyes: 2013 now, Beavis, not 1990.
Are you done editing your reply? so complain first and then make an bellybutton of yourself by not knowing what your settings are and step three is come off as the person you described above. I hope Mr. Vraciu has someone better than you trying to get the award for him.
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Are you done editing your reply? so complain first and then make an bellybutton of yourself by not knowing what your settings are and step three is come off as the person you described above. I hope Mr. Vraciu has someone better than you trying to get the award for him.
You started it by being a blatant dipwad jerk. I was asked a question. I said I would check. You attacked. Cheap shot artist extraordinaire. And yet, it changes not the original problem. My settings, whatever they are (presumably default) yield 1993 graphics 20 years later. And we wonder why WB is dead and AH circling the bowl. Lol. *eye-roll*
Alex will get screwed. The Navy doesn't care. I am not even a factor, particularly in regard to my posts on a message board for gamers.
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You started it by being a blatant dipwad jerk. I was asked a question. I said I would check. You attacked. Cheap shot artist extraordinaire. And yet, it changes not the original problem. My settings, whatever they are (presumably default) yield 1993 graphics 20 years later. And we wonder why WB is dead and AH circling the bowl. Lol. *eye-roll*
Alex will get screwed. The Navy doesn't care. I am not even a factor, particularly in regard to my posts on a message board for gamers.
Did HiTech sell the game to Microsoft while I was asleep? I don't remember this being XBox Live..
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I saw this already. Terrain okay fine but how about airplanes?
What exactly do you want to see improved? Anyone can say make them less cartoony, but what does that mean? Subjective is rather vague. Can you be specific? The HTC guys read the forums and are always looking for relevant contributions. Putting a date on a graphic engine isn't a solution, there are some fantastic older systems and some horrific new ones.
Better shadows? Better reflections? Be specific and some of us in here can probably point you to a link that has addressed or is addressing the subject. Like, for example, I addressed a comment you had on graphics, I pointed to the most recent graphics discussion that was related to terrain. It wasn't what you meant. It's not my fault I guessed wrong :) Be specific, guessing and trying to figure out what you meant seems like a dead end to me.
In the mean time, I think I may have wasted my time trying to be helpful, I see where this one's heading already.
Have a nice day.
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Wow, be a jerk about it. :rolleyes:
This just points back to what others have said. If my graphics are porked I sure had no idea until now. Lack of help for new players abides.
And attitude problems from d-cks like you won't keep people around long. :old:
I have every right to comment regardless. My experience is a parallel to the larger base who install and fly without tweaking graphics, and it looks like a damned cartoon compared to other turnkey sims.
:bhead
Wow, if this is a sample of new players we're in trouble.
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Wow, if this is a sample of new players we're in trouble.
lol yup.
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I max out the graphics and they are fine. It's not Clifts of Dover, Rise of Flight or DCS good...but they are not terrible! Get over it dude...it's the gameplay that's important!
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I grew up with Pong and Breakout. We had an overlay for the B&W TV so the breakout bricks had color. My first WWII sim was battlehawks 1942
(http://www.gameclassification.com/files/games/Battlehawks-1942.gif)
AH looks fine to me :)
Battlehawks? Psssh.
(http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS0NdiNoF_HwC97UXFdq5oFRLXhia-s0xhBX06GscEXsxEQ5WsR7w)
Real men played Their Finest Hour.
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You started it by being a blatant dipwad jerk. I was asked a question. I said I would check. You attacked. Cheap shot artist extraordinaire. And yet, it changes not the original problem. My settings, whatever they are (presumably default) yield 1993 graphics 20 years later. And we wonder why WB is dead and AH circling the bowl. Lol. *eye-roll*
Alex will get screwed. The Navy doesn't care. I am not even a factor, particularly in regard to my posts on a message board for gamers.
vraciu this is the second time that somebody has pointed out to you that the graphics are being updated. however another problem you maybe facing is that you dont have the hardware to make the game look better. you cant expect to play the game on a 300 dollar laptop and whine that graphics look crappy. there's a few of us that have spent 2 or 3 times what the average player spent on their system and graphics look pretty cool. not as cool as war thurder but when you compare the full game and not just the graphics then you realize that aces high comes out on top.
with the new graphics update comes out, I am lucky enough that I will be able to afford a few things to take full advantage of the new graphics engine, I hope. it doesnt help anybody when people just blurt things out like "game looks crappy and dated" without being specific and that includes actually posting your systems specs.
semp
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huh?
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That's interesting... I recently returned after a long break and was a little disappointed in how little had changed...
That said, I have been having fun... So, it's all good.
You keep giving my poor 109 such a hard time :furious
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YOu keep giving my poor 109 such a hard time :furious
Well, it's a little harder for a 109 to rope a Ki84. Good climb and if I kick off the combat trim, I can pop some flaps out and just hang on the prop for a few seconds.
Good times!
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Wow, if this is a sample of new players we're in trouble.
+1
It's the whole gimme the best and gimme now attitude that has been developing since the banning of beating the stupid out of your kids in public. Now the PC way to handle ornery children is "re-direction."
Let's give it a try, shall we....
Now now Vraciu, why don't you put away the keyboard and these unfriendly words you are typing and instead take the joystick carefully with both hands and go F yourself with it for 20 minutes till you feel better, ok?
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I max out the graphics and they are fine. It's not Clifts of Dover, Rise of Flight or DCS good...but they are not terrible! Get over it dude...it's the gameplay that's important!
I agree I agree. Don't get me wrong. I am just thinking in terms of getting and retaining newer players is all...
I will mess with my vid settings next time I play to get the proper perspective. I am assuming they are not on the highest level but rather default. I just didn't expect people to jump down my throat over it. If this is the way new players are treated THAT is what puts you all in trouble.
I apologize for replying harshly. I should have let it roll off. <S>
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vraciu this is the second time that somebody has pointed out to you that the graphics are being updated. however another problem you maybe facing is that you dont have the hardware to make the game look better. you cant expect to play the game on a 300 dollar laptop and whine that graphics look crappy. there's a few of us that have spent 2 or 3 times what the average player spent on their system and graphics look pretty cool. not as cool as war thurder but when you compare the full game and not just the graphics then you realize that aces high comes out on top.
with the new graphics update comes out, I am lucky enough that I will be able to afford a few things to take full advantage of the new graphics engine, I hope. it doesnt help anybody when people just blurt things out like "game looks crappy and dated" without being specific and that includes actually posting your systems specs.
semp
You may be right. I haven't been on to check what settings I am using to report back to you guys, but I will. I have a pretty good video card so hopefully I will be able to ramp it up.
I fully understand how it works. Warbirds updates were the primary hardware driver for me over many years.
I may have spoken too soon. Maybe things have changed and I just don't see it because of my settings. I will definitely look. I appreciate the input. <S>
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What exactly do you want to see improved? Anyone can say make them less cartoony, but what does that mean? Subjective is rather vague. Can you be specific? The HTC guys read the forums and are always looking for relevant contributions. Putting a date on a graphic engine isn't a solution, there are some fantastic older systems and some horrific new ones.
Better shadows? Better reflections? Be specific and some of us in here can probably point you to a link that has addressed or is addressing the subject. Like, for example, I addressed a comment you had on graphics, I pointed to the most recent graphics discussion that was related to terrain. It wasn't what you meant. It's not my fault I guessed wrong :) Be specific, guessing and trying to figure out what you meant seems like a dead end to me.
In the mean time, I think I may have wasted my time trying to be helpful, I see where this one's heading already.
Have a nice day.
Good questions. Let me first figure out what my settings are as I could be proceeding from a false assumption. I may have leapt without looking first. (If low settings are the default that could be a good thing and could be a bad one. Depends on which which way you look at it.)
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Now now Vraciu, why don't you put away the keyboard and these unfriendly words you are typing and instead take the joystick carefully with both hands and go F yourself with it for 20 minutes till you feel better, ok?
Such class. :rolleyes:
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Wow, be a jerk about it. :rolleyes:
This just points back to what others have said. If my graphics are porked I sure had no idea until now. Lack of help for new players abides.
And attitude problems from d-cks like you won't keep people around long. :old:
I have every right to comment regardless. My experience is a parallel to the larger base who install and fly without tweaking graphics, and it looks like a damned cartoon compared to other turnkey sims.
:bhead
"wahhhhh he was mean to me!" The attitude problem? Kid get off your high horse. Nobody is gonna be nice to you when you ask for better plane graphics when
1. You are new.
And
2. Not even sure you have your graphics turned up.
You can't demand respect. You must earn it.
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"wahhhhh he was mean to me!" The attitude problem? Kid get off your high horse. Nobody is gonna be nice to you when you ask for better plane graphics when
1. You are new.
And
2. Not even sure you have your graphics turned up.
You can't demand respect. You must earn it.
Those are great reasons to be rude to people. NOT. :rolleyes:
Respect and courtesy are the default in a civilized society. Thankfully some people understand that and are helpful.
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if you can't answer that you have your graphics maxed out then it is not right for you to say the planes need tweaking. The planes that have been recently remodeled in the last yea and 1/2 have been incredible looking with graphics cranked up.
Whats wrong with this?
Then
Wow, be a jerk about it. :rolleyes:
This just points back to what others have said. If my graphics are porked I sure had no idea until now. Lack of help for new players abides.
And attitude problems from d-cks like you won't keep people around long. :old:
I have every right to comment regardless. My experience is a parallel to the larger base who install and fly without tweaking graphics, and it looks like a damned cartoon compared to other turnkey sims.
:bhead
Wtf?
Yet you have skin on your face to write tis:
Those are great reasons to be rude to people. NOT. :rolleyes:
Respect and courtesy are the default in a civilized society. Thankfully some people understand that and are helpful.
Seriously, what do you think, who the bloody hell you are? Once you behave like a human creature instead of a delirious ahole, then you have the rights to complain. Until then, sit down, open a beer and keep thinking, whats wrong in your head. Another angry noob, doh.
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I find the post above to be highly ironic :)
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Vielen dank :P
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Whats wrong with this?
ThenWtf?
Yet you have skin on your face to write tis:
Seriously, what do you think, who the bloody hell you are? Once you behave like a human creature instead of a delirious ahole, then you have the rights to complain. Until then, sit down, open a beer and keep thinking, whats wrong in your head. Another angry noob, doh.
Internet toughguy. :lol :rolleyes:
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Internet toughguy. :lol :rolleyes:
cc.
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this thread is hilarious :D , I give it 30mines till lock or mass edit :)
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I agree I agree. Don't get me wrong. I am just thinking in terms of getting and retaining newer players is all...
I will mess with my vid settings next time I play to get the proper perspective. I am assuming they are not on the highest level but rather default. I just didn't expect people to jump down my throat over it. If this is the way new players are treated THAT is what puts you all in trouble.
I apologize for replying harshly. I should have let it roll off. <S>
No worries on my end. :salute
Some get kinda cranky when they perceive an insult to their favorite game it seems. :D I understand where you are coming from with the attracting new players. My son didn't want to try AH because he felt the graphics were dated....he got over that quickly after he tried it.
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Wow, if this is a sample of new players we're in trouble.
No worries Bear, he's been whining about the game since he got back <from 2008 apparently>.
Since AH is "circling the bowl" for his Xbox peers, I imagine he won't be around long :D I do so
enjoy noobs who come in and trash the place, then whine about the reception they get :lol
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No worries on my end. :salute
Some get kinda cranky when they perceive an insult to their favorite game it seems. :D I understand where you are coming from with the attracting new players. My son didn't want to try AH because he felt the graphics were dated....he got over that quickly after he tried it.
Exactly my experience.
Speaking of cranky, sorry I did so. I was wrong to do it. :salute
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No worries Bear, he's been whining about the game since he got back <from 2008 apparently>.
Since AH is "circling the bowl" for his Xbox peers, I imagine he won't be around long :D I do so
enjoy noobs who come in and trash the place, then whine about the reception they get :lol
I trashed the place? Really????
I still enjoy dogfights but it is pretty dated. Surely the graphics could be tweaked, no?
Great game though.
That's your definition of "trashing the place"? :eek: :lol :rofl :rolleyes:
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vraciu this is the second time that somebody has pointed out to you that the graphics are being updated. however another problem you maybe facing is that you dont have the hardware to make the game look better. you cant expect to play the game on a 300 dollar laptop and whine that graphics look crappy. there's a few of us that have spent 2 or 3 times what the average player spent on their system and graphics look pretty cool. not as cool as war thurder but when you compare the full game and not just the graphics then you realize that aces high comes out on top.
with the new graphics update comes out, I am lucky enough that I will be able to afford a few things to take full advantage of the new graphics engine, I hope. it doesnt help anybody when people just blurt things out like "game looks crappy and dated" without being specific and that includes actually posting your systems specs.
semp
RADEON HD 6570 1 GB (Not as good as I thought it was. Oops.)
1280 x 1024
Field of View : AUTO
Max Texture Size : 512
Anti-Aliasing : None
Is there more info I need to provide you to figure out what I am doing wrong?
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RADEON HD 6570 1 GB (Not as good as I thought it was. Oops.)
1280 x 1024
Field of View : AUTO
Max Texture Size : 512
Anti-Aliasing : None
Is there more info I need to provide you to figure out what I am doing wrong?
No wounder why the game looks like complete crap to you... thats the lowest the settings go almost
And now you're mad because the game looks bad yet you don't even have it maxed out. Thats like me saying that battlefield 3 looks terrible because I run it on the lowest settings on a 40$ graphics card...
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No wounder why the game looks like complete crap to you... thats the lowest the settings go almost
And now you're mad because the game looks bad yet you don't even have it maxed out. Thats like me saying that battlefield 3 looks terrible because I run it on the lowest settings on a 40$ graphics card...
I won't go so far as to say I am mad. I was just surprised that nothing has changed. The default settings are ten years old at least. Maybe more. That's okay, I guess, but if someone doesn't know that they may not give the game a chance.
Okay, so I am off to tweak it and see what happens. I am downloading the hi-res vid pack. Feeling better already. <S> :)
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I won't go so far as to say I am mad. I was just surprised that nothing has changed. The default settings are ten years old at least. Maybe more. That's okay, I guess, but if someone doesn't know that they may not give the game a chance.
Okay, so I am off to tweak it and see what happens. I am downloading the hi-res vid pack. Feeling better already. <S> :)
I doubt your card will handle anything more than what you have now.
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The default settings are ten years old at least.
:lol You're funny, my friend. :D
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I doubt your card will handle anything more than what you have now.
That is a pretty weak card. Too bad.
However, it should be a good excuse to upgrade your system!
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This is what the game maxed out looks like in video settings and the graphical detail section.
(http://i.imgur.com/ZwpHzQH.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/tLpQvzF.jpg)
Scroll right to see full image
Its so funny how people whine about graphics and don't even know how to turn them up, let alone have the hardware for it :P
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I doubt your card will handle anything more than what you have now.
Well I have my "old" gaming machine over in the corner. Slower processor but better GPU. I guess I could break it back out and see.
I dialed up some settings and so far no crashing on the one listed.
Maybe it would help to know what settings others are running and what vid cards are recommended.
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That is a pretty weak card. Too bad.
However, it should be a good excuse to upgrade your system!
Agreed! Any recommendations?
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This is what the game maxed out looks like in video settings and the graphical detail section.
(http://i.imgur.com/ZwpHzQH.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/tLpQvzF.jpg)
Scroll right to see full image
Its so funny how people whine about graphics and don't even know how to turn them up, let alone have the hardware for it :P
I agree. Guilty as charged!
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This is what the game maxed out looks like in video settings and the graphical detail section.
(http://i.imgur.com/ZwpHzQH.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/tLpQvzF.jpg)
Scroll right to see full image
Its so funny how people whine about graphics and don't even know how to turn them up, let alone have the hardware for it :P
That looks pretty good sitting still in a picture. If you (or anyone else) could get 30fps in the air I'd be surprised, let alone in a furball or even around a field or town with those settings. The game is not playable at those settings.
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That looks pretty good sitting still in a picture. If you (or anyone else) could get 30fps in the air I'd be surprised, let alone in a furball or even around a field or town with those settings. The game is not playable at those settings.
Horse crap, ive been playing with those settings for 6 months now (when i got this new card) and ive been in 80 people missions (54 buffs and 26 fighter escorts) and the lowest FPS i got EVER in that mission was 48.
EDIT: Don't believe me here:
(http://i.imgur.com/27z3Dtj.jpg)
Shooting guns, clipboard opened, puffy ack firing, 8in shelling base, multiple friendly and enemy cons.
55 FPS (note it dropped because I took the SS, it was constant 60fps the whole time)
There is nothing wrong with the graphics engine or how the game renders objects, its peoples computers or too many applications open. Because the system I have could be built today for about 1,100 $
Note the blur in the screen shot is because of the way screen shots are taken.
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well that is better than i expected. what card are you running and can you get me a screen shot of you actually closer to the action not 4k out?
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Vraciu....dude, you aint right bruh. :devil
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Vraciu....dude, you aint right bruh. :devil
Says the guy who thinks "bruh" is a word. :lol
:angel:
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well that is better than i expected. what card are you running and can you get me a screen shot of you actually closer to the action not 4k out?
Yes, please. The cockpit looks cartoonish. Not much better than mine, frankly. The water looks better though.
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well that is better than i expected. what card are you running and can you get me a screen shot of you actually closer to the action not 4k out?
I get the same picture with 465 cards except for em that I don't have on. have yet to see a fur ball where I get less that 45 and 99% I get 60 fps.
semp
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Olds: I have a 660Ti too (MSI.) On certain maps and and at certain bases my frps drop, sometimes considerably. I also get big drops when the furball starts to get near ~50 or greater in immediate vicinity. I am however running a somewhat older machine with this new card. I turn off all the unnecessary programs I can find. I turn AVG av off, but it still keeps running 3 programs even when "disabled." I don't use shadows and no ground clutter either, yet there is no way I could keep steady frps around 80 ppl. My background programs running total ~44, and my CPU usage is usually in the 2-5% range (I know Skuzzy recommends that it be lower and near a steady zero if possible.) What do you think the difference is?
I should note to the above though, that the majority of the time my frps are steady at the said settings.
Also, what does the set field of view setting correspond to?
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Olds: I have a 660Ti too (MSI.) On certain maps and and at certain bases my frps drop, sometimes considerably. I also get big drops when the furball starts to get near ~50 or greater in immediate vicinity. I am however running a somewhat older machine with this new card. I turn off all the unnecessary programs I can find. I turn AVG av off, but it still keeps running 3 programs even when "disabled." I don't use shadows and no ground clutter either, yet there is no way I could keep steady frps around 80 ppl. My background programs running total ~44, and my CPU usage is usually in the 2-5% range (I know Skuzzy recommends that it be lower and near a steady zero if possible.) What do you think the difference is?
Why does it IL-2 ( along with other eye candy sims run) just fine? Is it the engine in AH that causes issues or just the sheer number of players? IOW, all things being equal, is a Massive Multiplayer game more resource intensive than one that isn't?
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I got this feeling that this guy is a shade troll.
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Why is it IL-2 and other eye candy sims run just fine? Is it the engine in AH that causes issues or just the sheer number of players? IOW, all,things being equal, is a Massive Multiplayer game more resource intensive than one that isn't?
its because AH maps one is massive and has a longer view of objects
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its because AH maps one is massive and has a longer view of objects
Objects as in terrain and trees, vehicles only, or all of the aforementioned?
If I get an FPS drop will it help to reduce the object display range? That seems obvious but I want to be sure.
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I got this feeling that this guy is a shade troll.
Gimme a break, man. I am trying to learn. :salute
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I got this feeling that this guy is a shade troll.
Maybe Midway has succumbed to the Dark Side :x
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Objects as in terrain and trees, vehicles only, or all of the aforementioned?
If I get an FPS drop will it help to reduce the object display range? That seems obvious but I want to be sure.
The way it was explained to me is, vs. other games that ppl use to benchmark and often criticize AH for not looking as pretty as...those games have very small arenas that all players are funneled into. This game takes into account every players distance from your current position and is constantly updating. The sectors are 25miles, so if you count the amount of sectors from the furthest point you'll get an idea how massive/grand that is to take into account. As you get closer to other players the need to update locations intensifies and processing demands go up. As you can see, with maps as large as we have there is an enormous amount of calculations needing to be rendered to and by the server to your machine and back. Anyhow that is how it was explained to me...someone correct anything I may have misstated.
Also, you do NOT want frps drops, those make things appear to scoot n stop rather than fluid.
:salute
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The way it was explained to me is, vs. other games that ppl use to benchmark and often criticize AH for not looking as pretty as...those games have very small arenas that all players are funneled into. This game takes into account every players distance from your current position and is constantly updating. The sectors are 25miles, so if you count the amount of sectors from the furthest point you'll get an idea how massive/grand that is to take into account. As you get closer to other players the need to update locations intensifies and processing demands go up. As you can see, with maps as large as we have there is an enormous amount of calculations needing to be rendered to and by the server to your machine and back. Anyhow that is how it was explained to me...someone correct anything I may have misstated.
Also, you do NOT want frps drops, those make things appear to scoot n stop rather than fluid.
:salute
Makes sense. Thanks for explaining it. :salute
Guess I need to cut the graphics some slack! :)
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Makes sense. Thanks for explaining it.
Guess I need to cut the graphics some slack!
Yup.
Good to have you here, Vraciu, it's perhaps been a rough introduction all the way around but you do seem to want to be an active participant rather than a drive-by complainer. I hope to see you one of these evenings. Don't forget to try out the AvA.
- oldman
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Yup.
Good to have you here, Vraciu, it's perhaps been a rough introduction all the way around but you do seem to want to be an active participant rather than a drive-by complainer. I hope to see you one of these evenings. Don't forget to try out the AvA.
- oldman
Thanks for being patient. I love AvA. Wish that was the popular arena. WBs had a really active one and it died. Was sad that happened.
Any way, I am gonna dig into this based on all the help and advice presented. Hopefully no hard feelings with anyone. :salute
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well that is better than i expected. what card are you running and can you get me a screen shot of you actually closer to the action not 4k out?
EVGA gtx 660ti 3g model. about 280$ new and maybe 240$ now.
CPU is just a simple ole i5 2500k
8gb RAM.
Nothing fancy at all in that setup and runs the game fine. Ill try to find you old pictures and stuff from when im in fights.
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Olds: I have a 660Ti too (MSI.) On certain maps and and at certain bases my frps drop, sometimes considerably. I also get big drops when the furball starts to get near ~50 or greater in immediate vicinity. I am however running a somewhat older machine with this new card. I turn off all the unnecessary programs I can find. I turn AVG av off, but it still keeps running 3 programs even when "disabled." I don't use shadows and no ground clutter either, yet there is no way I could keep steady frps around 80 ppl. My background programs running total ~44, and my CPU usage is usually in the 2-5% range (I know Skuzzy recommends that it be lower and near a steady zero if possible.) What do you think the difference is?
I should note to the above though, that the majority of the time my frps are steady at the said settings.
Also, what does the set field of view setting correspond to?
What is your CPU, you never stated it. For one if its an AMD CPU you are in some trouble as a friend of mine has a fx-8350 8 core AMD and my quad core 4 years older i5 2500k still beats him in FPS.
Also my CPU usage when i normally play is around 10-15% as I have pandora and multiple tabs of web browser open.
The game tried to fine the "best" FOV for me but I like wider FOV in this game for better SA (flying with mouse and keyboard its harder to keep SA high...) Also thats another thing, generally the higher the FOV the bigger the FPS drop... How ever this isn't really a factor anymore.
EDIT: What model is your 660ti? is it 1gb or 2gb/higher
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Yes, please. The cockpit looks cartoonish. Not much better than mine, frankly. The water looks better though.
Understand that the SS blurs the image some...But if you think that looks like a "cartoon" allow me to show you the real thing (Note its 60 years old and real is not infact brown.)
(http://www.preservedaxisaircraft.com/Japan/Mitsubishi/images/ZekeN553TT.jpg)
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My computer runs the game Max Graphics (everything on), anti-aliasing all the way up, and 2048 texture, with 60FPS :o
I run BF3 60FPS and War Thunder 60FPS.
Don't think I will be having problems with this game anytime soon. :rolleyes:
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Understand that the SS blurs the image some...But if you think that looks like a "cartoon" allow me to show you the real thing (Note its 60 years old and real is not infact brown.)
(http://www.preservedaxisaircraft.com/Japan/Mitsubishi/images/ZekeN553TT.jpg)
Not so bad. I forgot you said it blurred the image. Sorry about that, too. I must be losing it! :bhead
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Likely not.
I still have an older AMD Phenom II 1100T OC'ed slightly to 3.5 Ghz and dual GTX 670s. Like I said..the game runs fine. I have asked for a Intel i5 4670k CPU and motherboard for Xmas but not for this game...just time for a small upgrade.
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Likely not.
I still have an older AMD Phenom II 1100T OC'ed slightly to 3.5 Ghz and dual GTX 670s. Like I said..the game runs fine. I have asked for a Intel i5 4670k CPU and motherboard for Xmas but not for this game...just time for a small upgrade.
That phenom is holding you back in ALL games for sure.
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lol yup.
:banana:
Btw most of these guys aren't jerks. So go ahead and keep swinging :aok
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Not as much as you would think. The 1100t is actually rated in many games nearly the same as the newer FX chips and in some cases actually better. That's one reason why it's held it's value so well. AMD has dropped the ball and lost my business for this upgrade cycle...if they can improve maybe I'll go back in two or three years.
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:banana:
Btw most of these guys aren't jerks. So go ahead and keep swinging :aok
Speak for yourself. :P
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Not as much as you would think. The 1100t is actually rated in many games nearly the same as the newer FX chips and in some cases actually better. That's one reason why it's held it's value so well. AMD has dropped the ball and lost my business for this upgrade cycle...if they can improve maybe I'll go back in two or three years.
Thats the thing, the FX chips are not good... being nearly the same as an FX chip is like being slightly worse the terrible...
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My computer runs the game Max Graphics (everything on), anti-aliasing all the way up, and 2048 texture, with 60FPS :o
I run BF3 60FPS and War Thunder 60FPS.
Don't think I will be having problems with this game anytime soon. :rolleyes:
not all of us have super computers Chris :D
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Thats the thing, the FX chips are not good... being nearly the same as an FX chip is like being slightly worse the terrible...
performance-wise, the newest 8 core FX is like 10-15% slower than the newest i7. Thats absolutely not bad, most of us couldnt even tell the difference.
Where the AMD is way behind the intel is the consumption - this goes from the technology, 32nm vs 22 - that makes a huge difference.
While the 6-core phenom isnt top notch, that CPU is enough for anything. Considering that he is playing on 3 monitors, i wouldnt be sure that he is CPU-limited in the DX11 games.
Either way, his Phenom is still faster than your i5... tell him his puter is terrible... :lol
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The way it was explained to me is, vs. other games that ppl use to benchmark and often criticize AH for not looking as pretty as...those games have very small arenas that all players are funneled into.
That's the mistake people keep making all the time for some reason. A graphics engine is deeply flawed if it renders invisible objects which are far far away. A properly optimized graphics engine renders only visible things, meaning that also from ground objects nothing but the surface which is visible to the client at any given time, gets rendered. Not insides of objects, not backsides of objects - only the visible surfaces.
So if the engine can handle a small map with 100 players in close vicinity it can as easily handle 10 000 players more which are beyond visual range, grapchics engine wise. This of course applies only to the graphics rendering part and disregards all the other challenges of tracking the 10 000 extra players.
AH for an example has distinct ranges beyond which objects first turn into dots and then disappear from sight totally. This is the only 'size' the developer needs to think about when thinking rendering.
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Yes, please. The cockpit looks cartoonish. Not much better than mine, frankly. The water looks better though.
While mines not completely cranked up it is close...
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii253/maddogjoe_photos/clouds_zpsee1077b3.jpg) (http://s266.photobucket.com/user/maddogjoe_photos/media/clouds_zpsee1077b3.jpg.html)
Also, when you start the game for the first time the game adjust so what your system is capable of. If you push the setting to far it will give you a message saying it turned down your graphics. So "default" settings is what your system can handle.
The new graphic systems that HTC has pre-viewed I think will be a bit more optimized than what we are running now. I'm hoping that weaker systems will be able to push the graphics up a bit with out a penalty that they seem to get now.
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^^^^^ Not bad.
So I need to be thinking Vid Card, more RAM, or CPU upgrade.... Which one first? Video?
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^^^^^ Not bad.
So I need to be thinking Vid Card, more RAM, or CPU upgrade.... Which one first? Video?
run a Dxdiag and post the first third of it....upto and including <SOUND DEVICES>.
You'll get more opinions/suggestions seeing what you have.
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run a Dxdiag and post the first third of it....upto and including <SOUND DEVICES>.
You'll get more opinions/suggestions seeing what you have.
Roger that.
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This is pants wettingly funny. Thanks for the read. :aok
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^^^^^ Not bad.
So I need to be thinking Vid Card, more RAM, or CPU upgrade.... Which one first? Video?
Post your current system specs (including case & power supply) along with your budget in the Hardware-Software forum. You'll get good advice from a lot of savvy folks.
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While mines not completely cranked up it is close...
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii253/maddogjoe_photos/clouds_zpsee1077b3.jpg) (http://s266.photobucket.com/user/maddogjoe_photos/media/clouds_zpsee1077b3.jpg.html)
Also, when you start the game for the first time the game adjust so what your system is capable of. If you push the setting to far it will give you a message saying it turned down your graphics. So "default" settings is what your system can handle.
The new graphic systems that HTC has pre-viewed I think will be a bit more optimized than what we are running now. I'm hoping that weaker systems will be able to push the graphics up a bit with out a penalty that they seem to get now.
In all fairness... The graphics in AH start to look worse the closer to the ground that you get. Your shot at altitude, with clouds that seem too rare on most maps, is somewhat of a best case scenario...
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Post your current system specs (including case & power supply) along with your budget in the Hardware-Software forum. You'll get good advice from a lot of savvy folks.
Good idea. :rock Thanks. :salute
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In all fairness... The graphics in AH start to look worse the closer to the ground that you get. Your shot at altitude, with clouds that seem too rare on most maps, is somewhat of a best case scenario...
My hardware won't change that then as it is due to the engine, right?
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My hardware won't change that then as it is due to the engine, right?
Well, the better the hardware is, the better stuff looks down low. I was just pointing out, that from a graphics/look standpoint, that screen shot he posted really is a best case scenario.
Personally, I love the game. But, I also am realistic enough to agree with the folks that point out that AH will slowly bleed to death (many believe they are already bleeding to death) if they don't take steps to counter the competition.
I am hopeful that the new terrain system will help.
That said, I think HTC needs to do some major work (which they may be working on already) and then they should re-release as AH3 and re-market the game. But I think they are going to need more than just a new terrain system.
I would like to see AI missions (that players can join or oppose) running 24/7 in the MA. Allow the AI to fight the war too, with real players mixed in, perhaps tipping the scales one way or the other.
Just some thoughts.
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performance-wise, the newest 8 core FX is like 10-15% slower than the newest i7. Thats absolutely not bad, most of us couldnt even tell the difference.
Where the AMD is way behind the intel is the consumption - this goes from the technology, 32nm vs 22 - that makes a huge difference.
While the 6-core phenom isnt top notch, that CPU is enough for anything. Considering that he is playing on 3 monitors, i wouldnt be sure that he is CPU-limited in the DX11 games.
Either way, his Phenom is still faster than your i5... tell him his puter is terrible... :lol
While his Phenom is faster than my i5 for processes that use the cores correct, per core the i5 2500k is faster than the Phenom x6 1100t. This is really important given that aces high only uses 1 core on AMD based systems. Happened to me when I had my Athlon x4 630 and happens to my friends fx-8350...
Also the i5 2500k has more cache, more rename registers for pipeline bubbles, and just generally better out of order execution on a per core bases.
And you're correct I shouldn't have said terrible but the actual core architecture is far behind intel's. And please show me a chart where this fx 8 core is only 10% slower than the "newest i7"
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I grew up before Pong. AH is dated and kids playing COD and War Thunder think this looks like Pong. They aren't biting.
YMMV.
Yup, the other games look better, play better,and they are FREE (to a limit)
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Well, the better the hardware is, the better stuff looks down low. I was just pointing out, that from a graphics/look standpoint, that screen shot he posted really is a best case scenario.
Personally, I love the game. But, I also am realistic enough to agree with the folks that point out that AH will slowly bleed to death (many believe they are already bleeding to death) if they don't take steps to counter the competition.
I am hopeful that the new terrain system will help.
That said, I think HTC needs to do some major work (which they may be working on already) and then they should re-release as AH3 and re-market the game. But I think they are going to need more than just a new terrain system.
I would like to see AI missions (that players can join or oppose) running 24/7 in the MA. Allow the AI to fight the war too, with real players mixed in, perhaps tipping the scales one way or the other.
Just some thoughts.
The AI thing is a no brainier IMHO. As numbers drop bring up the AI component.
Hi-Tech should ask a group of Grad Students from a reputable University to do a business study on AH. They will do it for free and may provide insight on what is missing. Options. Alternatives.
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Hi-Tech should ask a group of Grad Students from a reputable University to do a business study on AH. They will do it for free and may provide insight on what is missing. Options. Alternatives.
Nah, I don't think Hitech needs a bunch of college kids to analyze his company.
He has an enormous amount of experience in this business, and has had a viable product on the market for a very very very long time, in game industry terms.
No, they don't need an analysis.
I'm sure they know exactly what is happening and are in the process of making improvements where possible without destroying the things that make Aces High unique and a fantastic game. The trick is that they are being compared with games that are built on small numbers of players on very very small maps ( in comparison to AH ) in timed matches. They are different games really, in a very big and important difference.
The challenge is, of course, to put Aces High in a good position in the market.
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Nah, I don't think Hitech needs a bunch of college kids to analyze his company.
He has an enormous amount of experience in this business ...
More than anyone currently in this specific niche genre, I would venture.
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More than anyone currently in this specific niche genre, I would venture.
Tunnel vision. Group think. Outside ideas could help.
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Outside ideas could help.
That's what we are here to do! :D
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Tunnel vision. Group think. Outside ideas could help.
Since you presume I'm incapable of independent thought then I'm to presume your outside perspective wiill save Hitech from an imaginary falling sky?
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Since you presume I'm incapable of independent thought then I'm to presume your outside perspective wiill save Hitech from an imaginary falling sky?
"That which has been is that which shall be. There is nothing new under the sun." - Ecclesiastes 1
Warbirds performed this evolution already. Bury your head in the sand if you wish. Don't seek a fresh eye perspective. Let me know how that works for you, Dr. Phil. *shrug* :rolleyes:
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"That which has been is that which shall be. There is nothing new under the sun." - Ecclesiastes 1
Warbirds performed this evolution already. Bury your head in the sand if you wish. Don't seek a fresh eye perspective. Let me know how that works for you, Dr. Phil. *shrug* :rolleyes:
(Disclaimer: Reading the following run-on sentence out-loud may cause dizziness and possibly unconsciousness.)
You quote Ecclesiates to illustrate the lack of change (in an ever changing supported game that's lasted a decade and a half), talk of Warbirds as if it set the evolutionary standard for this game genre (knowing Dale left WB to make a better game, as well?), tell me my head is buried in the sand and expect me (and those like me) to welcome your 'fresh perspective' (the current broken record incarnation) when you've so far exemplified ignorance of the technical workings of this game and have taken offense at every effort made by others on the forum (some blunt, some quite diplomatic) to give you the benefit of their knowledge and experience? Huh. :lol
Wanna trot that back and start over?
Having said that, I saw a great deal of potential in you just by the forum name you selected. But then, that falls in with a prejudice of mine. :aok
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The AI thing is a no brainier IMHO. As numbers drop bring up the AI component.
Hi-Tech should ask a group of Grad Students from a reputable University to do a business study on AH. They will do it for free and may provide insight on what is missing. Options. Alternatives.
why ask grad students when there's so much experience here on the bb from people that have inside information about the company?
I have been playing for more than 7 years. and since the day I found the bb, there has always been complains about hordes, hoing, picking, "we had more players" before, graphics suck, collision model, blah, blah, blah. you can go on an on about the things we dont like or wish could be changed.
I also play wot and it's funny how people also complain over there about basically the same things, the lemming, the graphics (i own a 200 laptop and graphics suck, please fix graphics), people dont expend enough time learning the game, fix the game, we are losing too many players, the game is on the way out, this is the end of wot, blah, blah.
I am pretty sure same thing is on the wwp's bb and war thunder.
wish people would concentrate on having fun instead of whining. every thread now switches to how the sky is falling for aces high.
semp
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(Disclaimer: Reading the following run-on sentence out-loud may cause dizziness and possibly unconsciousness.)
You quote Ecclesiates to illustrate the lack of change (in an ever changing supported game that's lasted a decade and a half), talk of Warbirds as if it set the evolutionary standard for this game genre (knowing Dale left WB to make a better game, as well?), tell me my head is buried in the sand and expect me (and those like me) to welcome your 'fresh perspective' (the current broken record incarnation) when you've so far exemplified ignorance of the technical workings of this game and have taken offense at every effort made by others on the forum (some blunt, some quite diplomatic) to give you the benefit of their knowledge and experience? Huh. :lol
Wanna trot that back and start over?
Having said that, I saw a great deal of potential in you just by the forum name you selected. But then, that falls in with a prejudice of mine. :aok
Sorry. Your retardation was way too much to plow through. I gave up about twenty percent in. Your effort to help: FAIL. A little less condescension toward someone who cares about this game and a few more punctuation marks may have me try again reading what you have to write. :salute
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why ask grad students when there's so much experience here on the bb from people that have inside information about the company?
I have been playing for more than 7 years. and since the day I found the bb, there has always been complains about hordes, hoing, picking, "we had more players" before, graphics suck, collision model, blah, blah, blah. you can go on an on about the things we dont like or wish could be changed.
I also play wot and it's funny how people also complain over there about basically the same things, the lemming, the graphics (i own a 200 laptop and graphics suck, please fix graphics), people dont expend enough time learning the game, fix the game, we are losing too many players, the game is on the way out, this is the end of wot, blah, blah.
I am pretty sure same thing is on the wwp's bb and war thunder.
wish people would concentrate on having fun instead of whining. every thread now switches to how the sky is falling for aces high.
semp
I want the game to be viable. Long term. Sometimes the uncluttered mind has a triumph, and there IS WISDOM in many advisors. One only has to find it/them. This game is in decline. That decline will accelerate if not reversed.
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I want the game to be viable. Long term. Sometimes the uncluttered mind has a triumph, and there IS WISDOM in many advisors. One only has to find it/them. This game is in decline. That decline will accelerate if not reversed.
wow you figure out that the game is in decline after being around for a couple of weeks? can you say that the problem with the game is not the game itself but your computer or you just trying to be a dick now?
let hitech worry about the game's long term, you worry about upgrading your computer so you can truly enjoy this game plus all the others with "pretty graphics".
semp
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wow you figure out that the game is in decline after being around for a couple of weeks? can you say that the problem with the game is not the game itself but your computer or you just trying to be a dick now?
let hitech worry about the game's long term, you worry about upgrading your computer so you can truly enjoy this game plus all the others with "pretty graphics".
semp
Been here since 2008. Try again lugnut.
The game hasn't changed. If you're not improving you're falling behind.
My computer plays many other games with far better graphics. Hmmmmmm..... :headscratch: Nice try. As others have pointed out, even on high settings AH is still a 2D cartoon. Not sustainable. Good luck with that.
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Can't we all just get along? :D
I love all of you. Of course.... I've just polished off a bottle of wine after a wonderful Thanksgiving dinner so that may have something to do with the warm rush of affection.
:lol
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Can't we all just get along? :D
I love all of you. Of course.... I've just polished off a bottle of wine after a wonderful Thanksgiving dinner so that may have something to do with the warm rush of affection.
:lol
I respect you Fulcrum. You wanted to kick my butt early in this thread, then offered a salute after we went back and forth a little. Happy Thanksgiving and enjoy the wine. I love you, too, man! :salute
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:lol
Nah...I never lay into anyone too hard. It's just a game....only person I ever get pissed at in this game is myself. :D
Wine was good...a $9 dollar Pino Grigio which was surprisingly not half bad! :aok
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:lol
Nah...I never lay into anyone too hard. It's just a game....only person I ever get pissed at in this game is myself. :D
Wine was good...a $9 dollar Pino Grigio which was surprisingly not half bad! :aok
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Heheheh! :cheers:
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Wine was good...a $9 dollar Pino Grigio which was surprisingly not half bad! :aok
There are quite a few pretty good table wines out there. Also a bunch of expensive wines that are total garbage. Always nice to find a good one.
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Vraciu, why are you here when there are so many more superior games out there?
Don't get me wrong, I'm not asking why you are here when all you are doing is complaining, I am asking a legitimate question. What brings you to this game? It's clearly not the graphics, yet something brings you here. What it is?
Most of us know there is a sacrifice that must be made between the playability of "our" favorite game and eye candy. We are not ignorant, we are old hats at this. We have the xboxs, the wii, the super computers and real jobs that allow us the ability to play what we want, when we want, yet we are here.
Why are you? Graphics has never entered the picture for me. That might be due to age though. I am not the younger generation that rushes out to buy the latest and greatest game, download the cheat codes, blow through the game in 10 days and goes out to buy the next new title. I grew up on board games. The graphics were as good as my imagination. Then, started in video games when full color meant we got both black AND white. Maybe growing up immersing ourselves in the game, getting so deep into a scenario that our walls were filled with maps, having a social experience talking to friends all over the world while tooling around in a "plane" meant that we considered the graphics nothing more than background noise. We experience the game, we don't just play it. Maybe that's why, some of us don't care about the graphics, and are willing to sacrifice eye candy so that the game plays without lag, stutters, shut downs, servers failing and more garbage that comes from games produced for the mass market instead of a very finicky long term stable market. There is no more precise and stable game out there, no matter who the developer is. EA doesn't have a chance in hell making a quality product. They do make pretty games though. They also have an audience with far lower standards when it comes to acceptable game play. Why does it matter if it lags a bit, sure is pretty. Patch it? Forget that, new version is out by Christmas, they'll fix the bugs in that one.
HTC knows what they are doing, and they know full well that if they shuffled off the quality of the game, they would lose their core in a heartbeat.
So again, I'll ask, you have so many other games that are so much prettier, why are you here?
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Been here since 2008. Try again lugnut.
The game hasn't changed. If you're not improving you're falling behind.
My computer plays many other games with far better graphics. Hmmmmmm..... :headscratch: Nice try. As others have pointed out, even on high settings AH is still a 2D cartoon. Not sustainable. Good luck with that.
you are funny as hell dude. first your post is about how the game looks crappy, then your post your system specs.
RADEON HD 6570 1 GB (Not as good as I thought it was. Oops.)
1280 x 1024
Field of View : AUTO
Max Texture Size : 512
Anti-Aliasing : None
Is there more info I need to provide you to figure out what I am doing wrong?
when everybody points out to you that you have a crappy system playing on the lowest settings you readily acknowledge it and ask for ways to improve your system. now you claim that you have been playing since 2008 and you just found out the reason why your game looks like crap? seriously took you 5 years to figure that out?
follow your own advice "If you're not improving you're falling behind" upgrade your damn system. btw you can claim you can play games with far better graphics all you want, but you still arent taking fulll advantage of the other games either. I can play other games too with my 300 dollar laptop with far better graphics, but they still look like crap when comparing to my desktop system.
semp
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you are funny as hell dude. first your post is about how the game looks crappy, then your post your system specs.
when everybody points out to you that you have a crappy system playing on the lowest settings you readily acknowledge it and ask for ways to improve your system. now you claim that you have been playing since 2008 and you just found out the reason why your game looks like crap? seriously took you 5 years to figure that out?
follow your own advice "If you're not improving you're falling behind" upgrade your damn system. btw you can claim you can play games with far better graphics all you want, but you still arent taking fulll advantage of the other games either. I can play other games too with my 300 dollar laptop with far better graphics, but they still look like crap when comparing to my desktop system.
semp
And you're dumb as hell "dude". I have multiple systems. I got a barebones one for my son and stuck a vid card in it for him to play some of the games he likes. They look amazing. I figure, hey, kid might like AH. Talk it up to him, install it. Holyshiiiiiiiiite! 1991 and ACES OVER EUROPE. Woo hoo!!!
Just as it was when I was here almost five years ago! Yay!
You may kindly go fork yourself, you delusional half wit.
Getting attacked by nimrods for pointing out the obvious... :lol Way to be ambassadors for the game, clowns. :rolleyes:
(Not all in this thread are clowns. Some have been kind and helpful. I appreciate them. :salute )
We need to attract and maintain new players. Minecraft has horrible graphics but the kids love it. Black Ops has awesome graphics. Kids love it. So why aren't they here? Just wondering....
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Vraciu, why are you here when there are so many more superior games out there?
Don't get me wrong, I'm not asking why you are here when all you are doing is complaining, I am asking a legitimate question. What brings you to this game? It's clearly not the graphics, yet something brings you here. What it is?
Most of us know there is a sacrifice that must be made between the playability of "our" favorite game and eye candy. We are not ignorant, we are old hats at this. We have the xboxs, the wii, the super computers and real jobs that allow us the ability to play what we want, when we want, yet we are here.
Why are you? Graphics has never entered the picture for me. That might be due to age though. I am not the younger generation that rushes out to buy the latest and greatest game, download the cheat codes, blow through the game in 10 days and goes out to buy the next new title. I grew up on board games. The graphics were as good as my imagination. Then, started in video games when full color meant we got both black AND white. Maybe growing up immersing ourselves in the game, getting so deep into a scenario that our walls were filled with maps, having a social experience talking to friends all over the world while tooling around in a "plane" meant that we considered the graphics nothing more than background noise. We experience the game, we don't just play it. Maybe that's why, some of us don't care about the graphics, and are willing to sacrifice eye candy so that the game plays without lag, stutters, shut downs, servers failing and more garbage that comes from games produced for the mass market instead of a very finicky long term stable market. There is no more precise and stable game out there, no matter who the developer is. EA doesn't have a chance in hell making a quality product. They do make pretty games though. They also have an audience with far lower standards when it comes to acceptable game play. Why does it matter if it lags a bit, sure is pretty. Patch it? Forget that, new version is out by Christmas, they'll fix the bugs in that one.
HTC knows what they are doing, and they know full well that if they shuffled off the quality of the game, they would lose their core in a heartbeat.
So again, I'll ask, you have so many other games that are so much prettier, why are you here?
I will respectfully answer your question. I couldn't read beyond the first two sentences.
I am here because I love the game. Or the idea of it. Warbirds is dead. This was the only option.
I don't want to see this game die like that one did. You may keep some players to the end because they have no choice. But that number is dwindling precipitously. Five years from now AH will be WB. 19 players in six arenas. Wake up and start getting ahead of it. I may be here when the lights go out....maybe i will not......but unless we start grabbing new players we are extinct as a community.
Don't shoot the messenger.
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And you're dumb as hell "dude". I have multiple systems. I got a barebones one for my son and stuck a vid card in it for him to play some of the games he likes. They look amazing. I figure, hey, kid might like AH. Talk it up to him, install it. Holyshiiiiiiiiite! 1991 and ACES OVER EUROPE. Woo hoo!!!
Just as it was when I was here almost five years ago! Yay!
You may kindly go fork yourself, you delusional half wit.
Getting attacked by nimrods for pointing out the obvious... :lol Way to be ambassadors for the game, clowns. :rolleyes:
(Not all in this thread are clowns. Some have been kind and helpful. I appreciate them. :salute )
We need to attract and maintain new players. Minecraft has horrible graphics but the kids love it. Black Ops has awesome graphics. Kids love it. So why aren't they here? Just wondering....
in other words you are lying.
-dude you already admitted that the computer you played with is not up to par with the game.
-you already admitted you didnt know about hires graphics.
-you already admitted you need to upgrade.
-you did not once mentioned that "your other computer" has better graphics. if you had you would have known that the lower computer is not up to par.
did I mention you are lying about one of two things. one you have more than one computer and you dont know that one is so low end that it cant play play aces high :rolleyes:, or the acknowledgment that you didnt know your computer cant plat at higher than 512 res.
semp
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I will respectfully answer your question. I couldn't read beyond the first two sentences.
I am here because I love the game. Or the idea of it. Warbirds is dead. This was the only option.
I don't want to see this game die like that one did. You may keep some players to the end because they have no choice. But that number is dwindling precipitously. Five years from now AH will be WB. 19 players in six arenas. Wake up and start getting ahead of it. I may be here when the lights go out....maybe i will not......but unless we start grabbing new players we are extinct as a community.
Don't shoot the messenger.
To be fair. It is wise to walk like on ice when responding or making a wish.
From the responses that you have been given across the board, I would say that many who responded took your message like the messenger in "300" delivered his. Charging through with the threat of death, as though we can't see the storm looming over the horizon.
However, things are looking up for aces high. Even though some might look (even at the new terrain) and say "that needs improved", us veteran players give a big :aok for improvement. They are showing they are willing to put forth the effort to improve the game.
HiTech did say some time ago that he wanted to keep the company small. He didn't want to be Ubisoft/Sony/Microsoft/Rockstar etc.
Small is more manageable (obviously), but it makes it easier to interact with the community and see what they want as well.
I (as many others here) agree that we need to get the attention of new players who would subscribe and keep the game going.
What exactly do you suggest we do to keep who we have here, and to attract new players?
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in other words you are lying.
-dude you already admitted that the computer you played with is not up to par with the game.
-you already admitted you didnt know about hires graphics.
-you already admitted you need to upgrade.
-you did not once mentioned that "your other computer" has better graphics. if you had you would have known that the lower computer is not up to par.
did I mention you are lying about one of two things. one you have more than one computer and you dont know that one is so low end that it cant play play aces high :rolleyes:, or the acknowledgment that you didnt know your computer cant plat at higher than 512 res.
semp
All games look like crap if you play them on low res.
But I'm not picky :P
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in other words you are lying.
-dude you already admitted that the computer you played with is not up to par with the game.
-you already admitted you didnt know about hires graphics.
-you already admitted you need to upgrade.
-you did not once mentioned that "your other computer" has better graphics. if you had you would have known that the lower computer is not up to par.
did I mention you are lying about one of two things. one you have more than one computer and you dont know that one is so low end that it cant play play aces high :rolleyes:, or the acknowledgment that you didnt know your computer cant plat at higher than 512 res.
semp
I never lie.
That I don't go into every detail of my daily life with you isn't grounds for false charges.
The game looks the same on an essentially basic system as it did five years ago. Perhaps the difference is that five years ago it cost a lot more to look like 1993....
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"We need to attract and maintain new players. Minecraft has horrible graphics but the kids love it. Black Ops has awesome graphics. Kids love it. So why aren't they here? Just wondering...."
Aces high, requires time investment to get good at it. It's not something you can start up and have familiar controls. (Shift to run, spacebar to jump WASD to move G to throw grenade, etc). It requires work, and it is quite intimidating and challenging to play a game that is difficult, that doesn't escort you through your journey or gameplay. And is unforgiving if you fail.
I would say Difficulty of the game is #1 . (This goes for flight model, all the planes and GVs, terrain, ack, etc. The overall difficulty of the game is calculated into this "#")
(Graphics has been removed from my #1 since the better graphics are currently in development, so until they are released I will Hold on any comments relating on the graphics system and it's beauty or limitations).
#2 Hmm. The community is about the same as any online game really. If you truly think about it. Call of Duty had it's jerks and trolls, aces high does too. Even Minecraft has it's jerks.. To sum this "#" up, any game that has multiplayer can have a community (and most likely some of that community) whom are jerks.
But there are a fair number who are willing to help and assist the newbie. SO you have to keep that into consideration.
Not really sure on what else there is really.
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To be fair. It is wise to walk like on ice when responding or making a wish.
From the responses that you have been given across the board, I would say that many who responded took your message like the messenger in "300" delivered his. Charging through with the threat of death, as though we can't see the storm looming over the horizon.
However, things are looking up for aces high. Even though some might look (even at the new terrain) and say "that needs improved", us veteran players give a big :aok for improvement. They are showing they are willing to put forth the effort to improve the game.
HiTech did say some time ago that he wanted to keep the company small. He didn't want to be Ubisoft/Sony/Microsoft/Rockstar etc.
Small is more manageable (obviously), but it makes it easier to interact with the community and see what they want as well.
I (as many others here) agree that we need to get the attention of new players who would subscribe and keep the game going.
What exactly do you suggest we do to keep who we have here, and to attract new players?
An excellent response, sir. :salute
I have no idea how to get more people. I am in desperation mode here. We need to brainstorm. Nothing lasts forever, but I sure would like AH to be here if I ever get to retire!
:)
We need to think hard and bring in outside advice from people with no connection to the game for a fresh eye perspective.
Maybe I should be calm until the graphics engine in development comes out............
This is such a great game. I hate seeing it die.....
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The game looks the same on an essentially basic system as it did five years ago. Perhaps the difference is that five years ago it cost a lot more to look like 1993....
The terrain/graphics are being improved, but we probably won't see them in-game for a few more months. It isn't quite fair to comment on the terrain/graphics system when HTC are working hard to make a new one.
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"We need to attract and maintain new players. Minecraft has horrible graphics but the kids love it. Black Ops has awesome graphics. Kids love it. So why aren't they here? Just wondering...."
Aces high, requires time investment to get good at it. It's not something you can start up and have familiar controls. (Shift to run, spacebar to jump WASD to move G to throw grenade, etc). It requires work, and it is quite intimidating and challenging to play a game that is difficult, that doesn't escort you through your journey or gameplay. And is unforgiving if you fail.
I would say Difficulty of the game is #1 . (This goes for flight model, all the planes and GVs, terrain, ack, etc. The overall difficulty of the game is calculated into this "#")
(Graphics has been removed from my #1 since the better graphics are currently in development, so until they are released I will Hold on any comments relating on the graphics system and it's beauty or limitations).
#2 Hmm. The community is about the same as any online game really. If you truly think about it. Call of Duty had it's jerks and trolls, aces high does too. Even Minecraft has it's jerks.. To sum this "#" up, any game that has multiplayer can have a community (and most likely some of that community) whom are jerks.
But there are a fair number who are willing to help and assist the newbie. SO you have to keep that into consideration.
Not really sure on what else there is really.
Well, how to bait the hook for noobs then?
Lead computing gunsight for the first ten kills?
Longer free trial period?
??????
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The terrain/graphics are being improved, but we probably won't see them in-game for a few more months. It isn't quite fair to comment on the terrain/graphics system when HTC are working hard to make a new one.
I conceded that point but am still being attacked.....
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An excellent response, sir. :salute
I have no idea how to get more people. I am in desperation mode here. We need to brainstorm. Nothing lasts forever, but I sure would like AH to be here if I ever get to retire!
:)
We need to think hard and bring in outside advice from people with no connection to the game for a fresh eye perspective.
Maybe I should be calm until the graphics engine in development comes out............
This is such a great game. I hate seeing it die.....
We all want the game to stay here for a long time to come.
I can guess what would be said from the 'fresh eye perspective'.
Graphics
Making it easier to play
Even with the more modern games of today, like Battlefield 4 or Call of Duty Ghosts, players are criticizing the graphics when they already look nice. The problem is, is that gamers today (this generation, mind you) are used to having eye-candy over quality. Sure, it might be pretty, but is the storyline better than the last 5? Are the weapons balanced? Etc etc.
As long as it looks good it has to be good! If it doesn't look good, then it isn't worth my time. << is the mentality of many gamers.
Many who I have shown Aces High II to have judged it based on it's graphics. And if I got them to play, by it's difficulty.
The game is hard, by today's standards. It really is, but it is rewarding when you accomplish something.
If you know what you are doing, everything is easy. I think we as a community need to take a good look at what we can do to make it easier for new guys to come in and learn the game. To see what HTC can add to make it easier to understand and then use that information.
It's a delicate balance and an icy road. I think it is doable though, it will just require patience, understanding, and constructive criticism, instead of insults and tearing others down.
:aok
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I conceded that point but am still being attacked.....
Probably has a lot to with with your responses similar to the one below.
I will respectfully answer your question. I couldn't read beyond the first two sentences.
If you want to have reasonable discussion online or in person then common courtesy is a good starting point, too many seem to forget that these days.
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I conceded that point but am still being attacked.....
Not attacking or insulting. Was just saying to leave it out of the equation until it's finished or released.
I didn't see your response "Maybe I should be calm until the graphics engine in development comes out............" until after I posted.
:salute
In response to
Well, how to bait the hook for noobs then?
Lead computing gunsight for the first ten kills?
Longer free trial period?
??????
I ask that you check out
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,356382.0.html
:cheers:
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Probably has a lot to with with your responses similar to the one below.
If you want to have reasonable discussion online or in person then common courtesy is a good starting point, too many seem to forget that these days.
Tell that to all the guys flaming me from the jump.
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Not attacking or insulting. Was just saying to leave it out of the equation until it's finished or released.
I didn't see your response "Maybe I should be calm until the graphics engine in development comes out............" until after I posted.
:salute
In response to
I ask that you check out
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,356382.0.html
:cheers:
To be fair I don't think I was referring to you as someone attacking me. I can take a healthy give and take discussion. You have been reasonable, best I can tell. :salute
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I can't answer that with certainty. Let me check and get back to you.
if you can't answer that you have your graphics maxed out then it is not right for you to say the planes need tweaking. The planes that have been recently remodeled in the last yea and 1/2 have been incredible looking with graphics cranked up.
Wow, be a jerk about it. :rolleyes:
This just points back to what others have said. If my graphics are porked I sure had no idea until now. Lack of help for new players abides.
And attitude problems from d-cks like you won't keep people around long. :old:
I have every right to comment regardless. My experience is a parallel to the larger base who install and fly without tweaking graphics, and it looks like a damned cartoon compared to other turnkey sims.
:bhead
Not sure I see where Joach1m flamed you, I do see where he pointed out that you saying the graphics were dated without knowing your settings was flawed (His response highlighted in Blue).
I of course also see your response to his presumed "flaming", which I'm pretty sure meets the requirements to be "flaming" in it's own right. So no I don't think people piled on as soon as you posted, I think you assumed JO's response was derogatory and started the purse fight all on your own.
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if you can't answer that you have your graphics maxed out then it is not right for you to say the planes need tweaking. The planes that have been recently remodeled in the last yea and 1/2 have been incredible looking with graphics cranked up.
Wow, be a jerk about it. :rolleyes:
This just points back to what others have said. If my graphics are porked I sure had no idea until now. Lack of help for new players abides.
And attitude problems from d-cks like you won't keep people around long. :old:
I have every right to comment regardless. My experience is a parallel to the larger base who install and fly without tweaking graphics, and it looks like a damned cartoon compared to other turnkey sims.
:bhead
Not sure I see where Joach1m flamed you, I do see where he pointed out that you saying the graphics were dated without knowing your settings was flawed (His response highlighted in Blue).
I of course also see your response to his presumed "flaming", which I'm pretty sure meets the requirements to be "flaming" in it's own right. So no I don't think people piled on as soon as you posted, I think you assumed JO's response was derogatory and started the purse fight all on your own.
Perhaps I did. Something I also conceded. More than once.
Flame away.
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Have no interest in flaming you or anyone else for that matter, I just can't stand when people play the victim angle. That said I am all for a graphics overhaul however I don't see it in the near future, we are talking about a complete overhaul of the game while keeping it up and running in it's current form. Lot of work for such a small company of individuals, but I have no doubt that HiTech has at least a couple of balls in the air on this very subject.
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Have no interest in flaming you or anyone else for that matter, I just can't stand when people play the victim angle. That said I am all for a graphics overhaul however I don't see it in the near future, we are talking about a complete overhaul of the game while keeping it up and running in it's current form. Lot of work for such a small company of individuals, but I have no doubt that HiTech has at least a couple of balls in the air on this very subject.
I never play the victim. Trust me. My shoulders are quite broad and I can sustain a flame war until the cows come home. That doesn't advance our common cause, however... Yes, I can get p r i c k l y, perhaps prematurely. For that I apologize.
The balance of your post is certainly worthy. I fear this business model is unsustainable....... I hope I am wrong.
HTC has a tough road to navigate.... I wish them luck.
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Sorry. Your retardation was way too much to plow through. I gave up about twenty percent in. Your effort to help: FAIL.
You've reached bottom, enjoy posting and playing to the best of your ability. :aok
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Vraciu, why are you here when there are so many more superior games out there?
Don't get me wrong, I'm not asking why you are here when all you are doing is complaining, I am asking a legitimate question. What brings you to this game? It's clearly not the graphics, yet something brings you here. What it is?
Most of us know there is a sacrifice that must be made between the playability of "our" favorite game and eye candy. We are not ignorant, we are old hats at this. We have the xboxs, the wii, the super computers and real jobs that allow us the ability to play what we want, when we want, yet we are here.
Why are you? Graphics has never entered the picture for me. That might be due to age though. I am not the younger generation that rushes out to buy the latest and greatest game, download the cheat codes, blow through the game in 10 days and goes out to buy the next new title. I grew up on board games. The graphics were as good as my imagination. Then, started in video games when full color meant we got both black AND white. Maybe growing up immersing ourselves in the game, getting so deep into a scenario that our walls were filled with maps, having a social experience talking to friends all over the world while tooling around in a "plane" meant that we considered the graphics nothing more than background noise. We experience the game, we don't just play it. Maybe that's why, some of us don't care about the graphics, and are willing to sacrifice eye candy so that the game plays without lag, stutters, shut downs, servers failing and more garbage that comes from games produced for the mass market instead of a very finicky long term stable market. There is no more precise and stable game out there, no matter who the developer is. EA doesn't have a chance in hell making a quality product. They do make pretty games though. They also have an audience with far lower standards when it comes to acceptable game play. Why does it matter if it lags a bit, sure is pretty. Patch it? Forget that, new version is out by Christmas, they'll fix the bugs in that one.
HTC knows what they are doing, and they know full well that if they shuffled off the quality of the game, they would lose their core in a heartbeat.
So again, I'll ask, you have so many other games that are so much prettier, why are you here?
Well done, my friend. :aok
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EVGA gtx 660ti 3g model. about 280$ new and maybe 240$ now.
CPU is just a simple ole i5 2500k
8gb RAM.
Nothing fancy at all in that setup and runs the game fine. Ill try to find you old pictures and stuff from when im in fights.
Your setup is similar to mine except for the card. I'm running an i5 2500k @ 4.6Ghz 16gb ram and a HD6950 2gb card. In offline mode with the same settings I get 30fps just sitting on the runway. I am running 3 monitors though so I am probably taking a hit on that as well.
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I never play the victim. Trust me. My shoulders are quite broad ...
Ah, the old 'I'm tough as nails in the midst of complaining that I'm being persecuted unfairly by the masses' ploy.
(http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2011/081/8/9/life_of_brian___stoning_gif_by_kraljaleksandar-d3c7mbj.gif)
'Alright, the rest of you! I'm Vraciu and I'm going to give you a fresh perspective
about this game. You see, the default graphics setting is horribly outdated, the
business model is woefully inadequate and though the game has outlasted most
it is certainly on its last gasping breath. Hear me! Something must change!
I'm not entirely sure what.
And, by the way, you are all stinky retarded poopy-heads that pick on me way too
much while I'm doing my best to win friends and influence the community.
Nooooo! Ahhhhhh! Stop! You're crushing my broad shoulders! I'm not complaining, mind you.'
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^^^^^ :lol
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Your setup is similar to mine except for the card. I'm running an i5 2500k @ 4.6Ghz 16gb ram and a HD6950 2gb card. In offline mode with the same settings I get 30fps just sitting on the runway. I am running 3 monitors though so I am probably taking a hit on that as well.
I want to run a multiple monitor setup, too. I think that would rock. Baby steps though.
My good card is in my older machine. Maybe I can swap them. I think the old card is AGP and the new one PCIe though..... I need to run diag on both. *Starts digging out cables for old machine*
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What is your CPU, you never stated it. For one if its an AMD CPU you are in some trouble as a friend of mine has a fx-8350 8 core AMD and my quad core 4 years older i5 2500k still beats him in FPS.
Also my CPU usage when i normally play is around 10-15% as I have pandora and multiple tabs of web browser open.
The game tried to fine the "best" FOV for me but I like wider FOV in this game for better SA (flying with mouse and keyboard its harder to keep SA high...) Also thats another thing, generally the higher the FOV the bigger the FPS drop... How ever this isn't really a factor anymore.
EDIT: What model is your 660ti? is it 1gb or 2gb/higher
The 660 ti is a 2gb. I found through trial and error that nvidia seems to be much better for me for AH.
CPU is amd phenom II x4 830, 2.80ghz, 10gb ram
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Ah, the old 'I'm tough as nails in the midst of complaining that I'm being persecuted unfairly by the masses' ploy.
(http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2011/081/8/9/life_of_brian___stoning_gif_by_kraljaleksandar-d3c7mbj.gif)
'Alright, the rest of you! I'm Vraciu and I'm going to give you a fresh perspective
about this game. You see, the default graphics setting is horribly outdated, the
business model is woefully inadequate and though the game has outlasted most
it is certainly on its last gasping breath. Hear me! Something must change!
I'm not entirely sure what.
And, by the way, you are all stinky retarded poopy-heads that pick on me way too
much while I'm doing my best to win friends and influence the community.
Nooooo! Ahhhhhh! Stop! You're crushing my broad shoulders! I'm not complaining, mind you.'
:rofl
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Ah, the old 'I'm tough as nails in the midst of complaining that I'm being persecuted unfairly by the masses' ploy.
(http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2011/081/8/9/life_of_brian___stoning_gif_by_kraljaleksandar-d3c7mbj.gif)
'Alright, the rest of you! I'm Vraciu and I'm going to give you a fresh perspective
about this game. You see, the default graphics setting is horribly outdated, the
business model is woefully inadequate and though the game has outlasted most
it is certainly on its last gasping breath. Hear me! Something must change!
I'm not entirely sure what.
And, by the way, you are all stinky retarded poopy-heads that pick on me way too
much while I'm doing my best to win friends and influence the community.
Nooooo! Ahhhhhh! Stop! You're crushing my broad shoulders! I'm not complaining, mind you.'
:rofl
What movie is that from?
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Life of Brian
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:rofl
What movie is that from?
"Gotta be Monty Python," I thought. Confirmed.
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Never try to influence a community of old people.
"Generation XP" with their 10 year old PCs...
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i run xp on 2 machines what options will msc offer me?
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Never try to influence a community of old people.
"Generation XP" with their 10 year old PCs...
Newer doesn't mean better. Give me Windows 2000 and Office 2003 and I will run circles around anyone using Winnlows 7 and Office 2010 for productivity. I don't need Microsloth to continuously shift the paradigm without preserving the core things we have had since at least windows 95 (and the first versions of MS Word and Works). Keep the bells and whistles. They're a distraction.
They do this bogus "continuous improvement" as a reason to drive the sheep into buying hardware and OSes, not because it actually does anything in a superior way. Leave hardware sales to the game industry. That's the only real need for most of it any way, as Linux has ably shown. Just my opinion.
:salute
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Never try to influence a community of old people.
"Generation XP" with their 10 year old PCs...
:rofl :rofl
So true about this place.
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Never try to influence a community of old people.
"Generation XP" with their 10 year old PCs...
CP/M was good enough for us, so it should be good enough for you, young man! :old: