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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: lunatic1 on December 27, 2013, 02:38:11 PM
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mary jane sold and purchased leagelly in denver,colorado--starting jan 1st 2014--i'm moving
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I thought that went into effect Jan 1, 2013? :huh :headscratch:
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I thought that went into effect Jan 1, 2013? :huh :headscratch:
Nope. 2014.
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mary jane sold and purchased leagelly in denver,colorado--starting jan 1st 2014--i'm moving
ive been seriously considering that move :aok
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I thought that went into effect Jan 1, 2013? :huh :headscratch:
likely it was supposed to but they had a wake and bake the day of the filing and ended up at wendys instead
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It took them over a year to get the rules drawn up and in place. Washington is also "green" starting Jan 1.
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It took them over a year to get the rules drawn up and in place. Washington is also "green" starting Jan 1.
Washington has been for a year.
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The insurance companies now do the enforcing.
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Legal or not, your job gives you a piss test, you're still fired
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Next Harold & Kumar movie is....
I'm sure it has to do with getting to a legalized state. :aok
:cheers: Oz
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Legal or not, your job gives you a piss test, you're still fired
Oh, for sure.Washington has been for a year.
I thought they were still drawing up rules like CO did. It's been "legal" in CO since 2013, but the recreational stores hadn't received licenses, taxes weren't collected, ect.
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Oh, for sure.I thought they were still drawing up rules like CO did. It's been "legal" in CO since 2013, but the recreational stores hadn't received licenses, taxes weren't collected, ect.
Same here, the state just hasn't figured out how to make money off it.
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can i now get my pos. of cannabis Vail CO off my record? :headscratch:
Maybe a refund too? :devil
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As a side business my father and I opened a medical marijuana dispensary almost two years ago here in Seattle… Life is good… :cheers:
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As a side business my father and I opened a medical marijuana dispensary almost two years ago here in Seattle… Life is good… :cheers:
Now I get your handle ;)
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The thing not go away is that if you get hurt on a job, that you are an employee at, workmans comp. will not give you a cent if you test positive for drugs. Not even the medical bills.
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Mary jane?
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Mary jane?
Marijuana, pot, green, etc.
:salute
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I smoked every day for 15 years, loved it, it was my way of life. Now that I've quit though, I would never go back. It's a wonderful plant but enough is enough and long life and physical health is more important. Not to mention energy and motivation. If you can keep it in moderation, that is the way to go. After many years of wake and bake I burned myself out on it.
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(http://i1196.photobucket.com/albums/aa409/Christopher_Morris/coloradoho_zps20ef5f71.jpg)
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Has to be one of the worst pieces of legislation in our life time. The long term cost to the tax payers will be enormous both in lives and money. The tobacco companies must be dancing a jig.
The drug nicotine blended with a nicely enhanced pot mixture will make a perfect addiction hourly smoker.
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The drug nicotine blended with a nicely enhanced pot mixture will make a perfect addiction hourly smoker.
pretty sure nicotine does that by itself, maybe jason will be less of dik in between cigs though.
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Has to be one of the worst pieces of legislation in our life time. The long term cost to the tax payers will be enormous both in lives and money.
Actually the law criminalizing marijuana would be the worst ever. Look at the Billions spent, lives lost and families ruined over the prohibition. It was all for the sake of legislated morality and government jobs. See: Harry J. Anslinger (http://www.csdp.org/publicservice/anslinger.htm)
(http://www.csdp.org/publicservice/anslinger.jpg)
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wow....that is a disgusting read
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Harry J. Anslinger (http://www.csdp.org/publicservice/anslinger.htm)
(http://www.csdp.org/publicservice/anslinger.jpg)
wow. he seems like a dick.
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wow. he seems like a dick.
It barely scratches the surface. Watch "Grass (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0214730/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1)" with Woody Harrelson. Great documentary.
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wow. he seems like a dick.
It's amazing that people used to think like that.
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It is still illegal at the Federal level. While the current Feds might not be choosing to enforce the law (which is illegal in and of itself... imagine that), all it will take is a change in who the Attorney General is and that could change rapidly. If you don't think the Feds aren't keeping an eye on all these dispensaries that are popping up for recreational sales, then you are a fool. One change in the way people think and its enforcement, seizure, and forfeiture of a lot of property.
There is very little likelihood that the Feds will legalize Marijuana anytime in the near future. The profitability to them is just not there. On the other hand, profitability in seizure and forfeiture of property used in the drug trade looks to reap massive profits.
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it reminds of that guy that is doing several years in a federal pen for selling and distribution. he had a state permit, local permit to sell, but the feds still charged him with a crime. he wasnt allowed to bring into evidence that the state legally allowed him to sale as it was banned under the federal statues.
semp
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While it does have some serious potential as a money make for the government if they were to put a serious tax on it, studies are coming out finally of the harmful effects. Not saying that alcohol or tobacco doesnt cause serious side effects with chronic use but the marijuana studies are finally becoming public. Myself, I have never touched the stuff but critical of those that think that there is nothing wrong with it. Roommates in college were smokers of it. The fact that they are seeing similar brain scans to those of schizophrenia is pretty drastic.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/16/health/time-marijuana-brain/
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While it does have some serious potential as a money make for the government if they were to put a serious tax on it, studies are coming out finally of the harmful effects. Not saying that alcohol or tobacco doesnt cause serious side effects with chronic use but the marijuana studies are finally becoming public. Myself, I have never touched the stuff but critical of those that think that there is nothing wrong with it. Roommates in college were smokers of it. The fact that they are seeing similar brain scans to those of schizophrenia is pretty drastic.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/16/health/time-marijuana-brain/
The article, which is a standard piece of sensationalist mainstream 'science' journalism, completely misinterprets almost to the point of lying the content of the study. What the study actually concluded was that "schizophrenia subjects demonstrated cannabis-related neuroanatomical differences that were consistent and exaggerated compared with cannabis-related differences found in controls", and further that "future longitudinal studies could help determine whether cannabis use contributes to these observed shape differences or whether they are biomarkers of a vulnerability to the effects of cannabis that predate its misuse".
Here's a link to the actual study. It's way less exciting than what the author of the article wrote of course, but if she didn't know how to lie through her teeth for readers then she wouldn't have a job.
http://schizophreniabulletin.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2013/12/10/schbul.sbt176.abstract?sid=31a54672-cd55-4409-bba0-1010b40b5221
On the subject of whether marijuana use actually puts you at risk for scizophrenia, here's a recent study from Harvard Medical School;
http://www.schres-journal.com/article/S0920-9964%2813%2900610-5/abstract
"The results of the current study suggest that having an increased familial morbid risk for schizophrenia may be the underlying basis for schizophrenia in cannabis users and not cannabis use by itself."
The lesson here is that any science journalism from a mainstream news outlet is trash with almost no exception.
Beside that,
"smoking every day for about three years"
Ignoring that this is a fairly unreasonable amount of marijuana to be smoking, do you know what medical condition affects those who, say, drink every day for three years?
Death.
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Not saying CNN is a valid place to better oneself in science by no means. I continually have to use google scholar as a student to find science articles so trust me there is no argument there. Just dont think many here would want to read a 10 page science article when CNN is more reader friendly. The hope would be if someone was actually concerned by this they would go to google scholar and search the effect or marijuana and schizophrenia and do their own research. Point was just to make it known to those. If someone was to do their own searching they would see more than 100 published science articles.
By the way you need to rephrase drinking everyday to chronic drinking everyday. Drinking 1-2 beers everyday is actually good for you just like drinking a glass of red wine.
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Yeah, I must actually be dead.
Now there's a sensational bit of news.
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To truly realize the futility of the drug war, most of all regarding pvt use of cannabis, you have to be involved in it. Gawd what a bad joke.
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It is still illegal at the Federal level. While the current Feds might not be choosing to enforce the law (which is illegal in and of itself... imagine that), all it will take is a change in who the Attorney General is and that could change rapidly. If you don't think the Feds aren't keeping an eye on all these dispensaries that are popping up for recreational sales, then you are a fool. One change in the way people think and its enforcement, seizure, and forfeiture of a lot of property.
There is very little likelihood that the Feds will legalize Marijuana anytime in the near future. The profitability to them is just not there. On the other hand, profitability in seizure and forfeiture of property used in the drug trade looks to reap massive profits.
I recall hearing several Sheriffs in CO were saying they would both try to help legislate county laws and facilitate municipal laws that would give them authority to charge for recreational use and possession, and thus override any state law. Iirc they also said they would do their best to make arrests and turn over to Feds. I know first hand how the Vail Police Dept see it, and one of those Sheriffs was Eagle County (Vail & Beaver Creek.) Another was Summit County, which includes Winterpark, Keystone, Breckenridge, Arapahoe Basin, Loveland Pass and Copper Mtn. It wouldn't surprise me if there are many other counties in CO that would try the same. If you spend enough time there, you'll find out what flies in Denver is often laughed at by the rest of the state. Might want to look into that if you plan on toking on the lift.
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It's amazing that people used to think like that.
you mean they dont think like that now?
semp
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you mean they dont think like that now?
semp
In Britain I can safely say no to that question. We are probably the most culturally and racially diverse nation on the planet with the most tolerance for each other. We are failing in many things in today's world but in one way we are paving the path to a future of global unity between all races. America is not far behind either, although more of you guys seem to still dislike Muslims, though that is for quite obvious reasons that have been forced down your throat by the powers that be.
Working towards a global racial unity is the only chance we have of getting off this planet and spreading the infection out into the cosmos.
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I recall hearing several Sheriffs in CO were saying they would both try to help legislate county laws and facilitate municipal laws that would give them authority to charge for recreational use and possession, and thus override any state law. Iirc they also said they would do there best to make arrests and turn over to Feds. I know first hand how the Vail Police Dept see it, and one of those Sheriffs was Eagle County (Vail & Beaver Creek.) Another was Summit County, which includes Winterpark, Keystone, Breckenridge, Arapahoe Basin, Loveland Pass and Copper Mtn. It wouldn't surprise me if there are many other counties in CO that would try the same. If you spend enough time there, you'll find out what flies in Denver is often laughed at by the rest of the state. Might want to look into that if you plan on toking on the lift.
While they are going to be enforcing public use on the slopes (it's still illegal to smoke in public), Summit Co was pretty user friendly last time I was up there. They just want to keep the ski areas family friendly.
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In Britain I can safely say no to that question. We are probably the most culturally and racially diverse nation on the planet with the most tolerance for each other. We are failing in many things in today's world but in one way we are paving the path to a future of global unity between all races. America is not far behind either, although more of you guys seem to still dislike Muslims, though that is for quite obvious reasons that have been forced down your throat by the powers that be.
Working towards a global racial unity is the only chance we have of getting off this planet and spreading the infection out into the cosmos.
Oh my :confused:
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I dont smoke :old:
The only reason its illegal is that it cannot be taxed :)
if they invented a beer tree it would be illegal :)
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It is still illegal at the Federal level.
Imagine the amount of convictions that are going to be happening for law abiding citizens who forgot a 'intent to distribute' amount of weed in their pocket while visiting a nearby state.
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In Britain I can safely say no to that question. We are probably the most culturally and racially diverse nation on the planet with the most tolerance for each other. We are failing in many things in today's world but in one way we are paving the path to a future of global unity between all races. America is not far behind either, although more of you guys seem to still dislike Muslims, though that is for quite obvious reasons that have been forced down your throat by the powers that be.
Working towards a global racial unity is the only chance we have of getting off this planet and spreading the infection out into the cosmos.
Hmm judging from the documentaries and media I've seen your country has turned from a stiff upper lip aristocracy to a full blown jungle with huge crime problems and people scared for their lives at their homes. What are all those news reports about 'ethnic gangs' looting and pillaging your suburbs about? http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/446362/Shocking-CCTV-shows-girl-attacked-by-bus-mob
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We are failing in many things in today's world but in one way we are paving the path to a future of global unity between all races. America is not far behind either, although more of you guys seem to still dislike Muslims, though that is for quite obvious reasons that have been forced down your throat by the powers that be.
:headscratch:
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Keep in mind the tobacco companies goal was addiction to increase sales They were super successful. Who thinks our pot growers will not do the the same thing?
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it reminds of that guy that is doing several years in a federal pen for selling and distribution. he had a state permit, local permit to sell, but the feds still charged him with a crime. he wasnt allowed to bring into evidence that the state legally allowed him to sale as it was banned under the federal statues.
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That's the whole point. Until the Feds legalize it, it is a gamble. If the Feds find more money in confiscation than they do in taxation, you will see the confiscation. It's all about the money and a large percentage of the overall population that does not want to see it legalized on a national scale.
Always remember that for the most part, Fed Law trumps State.
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I recall hearing several Sheriffs in CO were saying they would both try to help legislate county laws and facilitate municipal laws that would give them authority to charge for recreational use and possession, and thus override any state law. Iirc they also said they would do their best to make arrests and turn over to Feds. I know first hand how the Vail Police Dept see it, and one of those Sheriffs was Eagle County (Vail & Beaver Creek.) Another was Summit County, which includes Winterpark, Keystone, Breckenridge, Arapahoe Basin, Loveland Pass and Copper Mtn. It wouldn't surprise me if there are many other counties in CO that would try the same. If you spend enough time there, you'll find out what flies in Denver is often laughed at by the rest of the state. Might want to look into that if you plan on toking on the lift.
I would find that hard to enforce, especially since the State is saying it is legal. It will simply cost those counties too much to defend if people start appealing to the State Supreme Court and you can guarantee that will happen. Having lived for a long time in Colorado, I m saddened to talk to my friends still there when they highlight the negativity that legalized recreational use has brought.
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Imagine the amount of convictions that are going to be happening for law abiding citizens who forgot a 'intent to distribute' amount of weed in their pocket while visiting a nearby state.
There is that. I have a friend in Kansas that gets a kick out of nailing people coming out of CO and finding dope. Says it is like shooting fish in a barrel.
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I recall hearing several Sheriffs in CO were saying they would both try to help legislate county laws and facilitate municipal laws that would give them authority to charge for recreational use and possession, and thus override any state law. Iirc they also said they would do their best to make arrests and turn over to Feds. I know first hand how the Vail Police Dept see it, and one of those Sheriffs was Eagle County (Vail & Beaver Creek.) Another was Summit County, which includes Winterpark, Keystone, Breckenridge, Arapahoe Basin, Loveland Pass and Copper Mtn. It wouldn't surprise me if there are many other counties in CO that would try the same. If you spend enough time there, you'll find out what flies in Denver is often laughed at by the rest of the state. Might want to look into that if you plan on toking on the lift.
Drink + Drive = No
Smoke + Drive = No
Drink + Ski = No
Smoke + Ski = No
Drink + Public = No
Smoke + Public = No
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It barely scratches the surface. Watch "Grass (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0214730/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1)" with Woody Harrelson. Great documentary.
I invited him but he didn't show. Had to watch it without Woody.
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Always remember that for the most part, Fed Law trumps State.
You mean in theory or practice? 150yrs ago we fought a war against each other over that subject. You mean in practice. Jefferson, Madison, you name it, wanted decentralized and small doings in the Capitol.
"Keeping us safe" has eroded that with every day/passing year since 1941.
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Hmm judging from the documentaries and media I've seen your country has turned from a stiff upper lip aristocracy to a full blown jungle with huge crime problems and people scared for their lives at their homes. What are all those news reports about 'ethnic gangs' looting and pillaging your suburbs about? http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/446362/Shocking-CCTV-shows-girl-attacked-by-bus-mob
It's all bollocks. The government and tabloids just like to spread fear so that we keep in line
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That's the whole point. Until the Feds legalize it, it is a gamble. If the Feds find more money in confiscation than they do in taxation, you will see the confiscation. It's all about the money and a large percentage of the overall population that does not want to see it legalized on a national scale.
Always remember that for the most part, Fed Law trumps State.
Well the amount of money the government spends to locate the plants in California and what not costs millions. I cant imagine the convictions making that up for the government. The government could easily make billions off of a large tax on it, say a 30-50% tax rate.
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I invited him but he didn't show. Had to watch it without Woody.
It's twice as good when he's there. Dude has some great stories.
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There is that. I have a friend in Kansas that gets a kick out of nailing people coming out of CO and finding dope. Says it is like shooting fish in a barrel.
Sounds like the kind of cop that gives cops a bad name.
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Sounds like the kind of cop that gives cops a bad name.
something sick and vile when a guy can get a kick out of destroying a family.
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something sick and vile when a guy can get a kick out of destroying a family.
An addicts family is usually already destroyed. He just speeds up the process :devil
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Sounds like the kind of cop that gives cops a bad name.
For what? For doing his job?
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You mean in theory or practice? 150yrs ago we fought a war against each other over that subject. You mean in practice. Jefferson, Madison, you name it, wanted decentralized and small doings in the Capitol.
"Keeping us safe" has eroded that with every day/passing year since 1941.
We did, and you remember which side won, right? Obviously decentralized was the desire, but the reality is centralized.
I would argue that apathy and the 2.2 kids, $50K in the bank, and keeping up with the Joneses dream has done more to hurt us then anything else.
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Sounds like the kind of cop that gives cops a bad name.
How is that? He pulls someone over for breaking the law and then smells pot in the car and, oh wait, does his job some more? You have a weird sense of reality if you think that is wrong. I know you think smoking dope is cool, but it is illegal in the vast majority of states. Get over it. People make choices and those choices have consequences. You would do well to remember that.
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something sick and vile when a guy can get a kick out of destroying a family.
I have to hear the explanation on this one.....
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For what? For doing his job?
You know how it is. All dope heads are perfect individuals that just want to expand there horizons while they relax on down the highway. It's not like anything bad ever comes of that, right?
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When it comes to petty victimless crimes (especially ones conceived and perpetuated with lies), we free americans like the police to focus on more serious matters. This being the mentality of many a civil officer.
ps - Driving down the highway stoned is not ok lol.
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As a side business my father and I opened a medical marijuana dispensary almost two years ago here in Seattle… Life is good… :cheers:
no wonder you change your name so much,your hiding your personal use from the LAW---hehehe
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You know how it is. All dope heads are perfect individuals that just want to expand there horizons while they relax on down the highway. It's not like anything bad ever comes of that, right?
--yeah driving down the hiway--crashing into a minivan full of kids..
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LEO's have nothing better to do than pick of 2 types of people...Poor and Poor/Stupid...because anyone with enough money for a lawyer can get out of anything...its the American Dream
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A fact that many people might not know is people are much more able to drive stoned than drunk. It seems ive heard that police believe the amount of people driving stoned far exceeds those that are drunk. Thankfully, the schedule 1 drug, comparable to crack and heroin, does not interfere with the ability to drive to the point that car accidents caused by weed are a significant problem.
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LEO's have nothing better to do than pick of 2 types of people...Poor and Poor/Stupid...because anyone with enough money for a lawyer can get out of anything...its the American Dream
Actually, most have a ton too do. They are tasked to enforce the law and ensure that the public is safe. I have never met a single LEO or heard of one that exercises enforcement based on socioeconomic status. That's just garbage. As for an attorney getting you off, that is outside what a LEO does. They enforce the laws, they do not judge.
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A fact that many people might not know is people are much more able to drive stoned than drunk. It seems ive heard that police believe the amount of people driving stoned far exceeds those that are drunk. Thankfully, the schedule 1 drug, comparable to crack and heroin, does not interfere with the ability to drive to the point that car accidents caused by weed are a significant problem.
Please cite some studies to back up your statements.
Reality will tell you a few things:
1. Until the past few years, most departments did not have the funds (and many still don't) to field drug test suspects in minor traffic incidents.
2. Marijuana usage does impair cognitive function which is what controls driving.
3. Marijuana usage involving driver impairment is indeed a factor of impairment just like alcohol impairment. Quantity and tolerance tends to rule.
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try this http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/18/stoned-drivers-test-course-marijuana-dui_n_2711358.html
I look for more....
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Back in college we never even got into a car without a "traveller".
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try this http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/18/stoned-drivers-test-course-marijuana-dui_n_2711358.html
I look for more....
Did you actually read or watch what you just quoted? Did you do any other research than a cut and paste?
The initial subject who was above the legal limit for Marijuana (in Washington) fared well initially, but then failed after the fact. The guy was messed up like a drunk.
There is no corollation between safe drving and Marijuana usage.
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The girl was 3x legal limit when she showed up then they each smoked enough pot to get very stoned. They all passed the test.
then they smoked again. they all passed the test.
then they smoked again. then the two guys failed. and the girl got a little aggressive yet passed.
then she smoked again. then she failed.
Prior to them failing (Guys .9 grams of blueberry train wreck) (Girl 1.4 grams of blueberry train wreck plus whatever she smoked before hand) they all said "Im too stoned to drive"
Girl passed test at 7x legal limit
Guys passed the test a 4 and 5x legal limit
we dont get to see the blood levels of anyone when they failed
All failed the Field Sobriety Test
1.5-2 hours after smoking pot to the point the guys failed the test, their thc levels were down to 2x the legal limit.
What did you see?
I know if im 2x the legal limit alcohol im not a great driver or walker. at 4x the legal limit i can not lay down with out holding on.
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Actually, most have a ton too do. They are tasked to enforce the law and ensure that the public is safe. I have never met a single LEO or heard of one that exercises enforcement based on socioeconomic status. That's just garbage. As for an attorney getting you off, that is outside what a LEO does. They enforce the laws, they do not judge.
Just seeing that you are from Louisiana makes me think that you are from a small town...that being said, I, having lived in several small town KNOW FOR FACT that the poor is picked on more than the more affluent people in the population...seen it with my own eyes and experienced it for years....And how do they keep a population safe?....They find the poorest (trashy looking/trashy ride/walking)people and single them out...its called profiling and it works...because your poor population has nothing better to do than drugs or drink...I know this I've lived it, I've seen it...but when it comes to white collar crime you can't find a LEO to enforce anything especially when it comes down to them BEING someone in the community...your richest people in the community are usually the biggest drug dealers and crime bosses....The law enforcement system in the country is broke, garbage or not
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Comparing stoned to drunk is quite laughable, and usually stated by those who don't KNOW the difference.
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I have to hear the explanation on this one.....
Harry Anslinger "got a kick" out of busting smokers, too.
An addicts family is usually already destroyed. He just speeds up the process :devil
I've yet to see a "pot addict". But I've seen families destroyed by LEO's over pot in the name of "saving the children".
http://www.kvue.com/news/Father-of-murdered-foster-child-speaks-to-KVUE-218037541.html
Marijuana is not the evil Schedule 1 drug that LEO's make it out to be. It's the easy bust, quick promotion, fast seizure money tool for lazy LEO's that "get a kick" out of busting smokers. Marijuana is less dangerous/addictive than beer. It will take a few more years but it will eventually be legal in most states in one form or another. Lazy LEO's will have to find another way to pad their arrest numbers or actually start catching criminals.
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You know how it is. All dope heads are perfect individuals that just want to expand there horizons while they relax on down the highway. It's not like anything bad ever comes of that, right?
I dont believe in this "war on drugs". To begin with you should never be at war against the people you are supposed to serve and protect. Another thing, and far more important, whenever you make a "war" you start fighting it with numbers. And then the entire thing becomes a BS numbers game. And its big money too. Getting caught with weed in your car will either make you lose the car or have to pay big $$ to get it back. And it goes on and on. Big numbers = big money.
I know we have to go against importers to this country but as far as im concerned, unless they are putting the public at risk, individual use should be between the citizen and their doctor.
When it comes to petty victimless crimes (especially ones conceived and perpetuated with lies), we free americans like the police to focus on more serious matters. This being the mentality of many a civil officer.
The problem with that is with "pick and choose enforcement" eventually some officer is going to pick one you dont like.
And thru all this nobody mentions the fact that the real ones responsible are the knuckleheads all of you elected. To acknowledge that would mean to acknowledge that each of you hold some responsibility for a crap system. Of course its much easier to blame the ones in perma-press who are on the lowest rungs of power in the system.
LEO's have nothing better to do than pick of 2 types of people...Poor and Poor/Stupid...because anyone with enough money for a lawyer can get out of anything...its the American Dream
Actually, and you would know this if you knew anything about being the Police, the system is set up to get $$$ from the poor working schmucks who pay all the Bills and actually work for a living. You really think "Homie from the Hood" is going to pay his legal fees and his bills? :rofl Ive caught them with 10G $ in their pockets and still the court gives them free representation because the money we confiscated and Homie doesnt have, nor never has, a legit job he has paid taxes with.
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I think it's safe to say that Bodhi is a narc or Leo. Who else that plays AH is a Leo? I think it's something worth knowing.
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I think it's safe to say that Bodhi is a narc or Leo. Who else that plays AH is a Leo? I think it's something worth knowing.
Ive been one for 34 years and I couldnt give a damn what you smoke. Hell after I retire I might even join you.
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Keep in mind the tobacco companies goal was addiction to increase sales They were super successful. Who thinks our pot growers will not do the the same thing?
Because of taxation I think the government makes more money from tobacco than the tobacco companies do. Thats why I think that legal pot is here to stay, because they're already talking about taxing it. Once those tax dollars start flowing the gubmit is going to take an interest in, if not encourage, the proliferation of pot use.
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Legal or not, your job gives you a piss test, you're still fired
(http://www.detoxforless.com/images/quickfixplus-main_hugeimage.png)
It works. :aok
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Lazy LEO's will have to find another way to pad their arrest numbers or actually start catching criminals.
:aok Broken system
And thru all this nobody mentions the fact that the real ones responsible are the knuckleheads all of you elected. To acknowledge that would mean to acknowledge that each of you hold some responsibility for a crap system. Of course its much easier to blame the ones in perma-press who are on the lowest rungs of power in the system.
Actually, and you would know this if you knew anything about being the Police, the system is set up to get $$$ from the poor working schmucks who pay all the Bills and actually work for a living. You really think "Homie from the Hood" is going to pay his legal fees and his bills? :rofl Ive caught them with 10G $ in their pockets and still the court gives them free representation because the money we confiscated and Homie doesnt have, nor never has, a legit job he has paid taxes with.
:aok Broken system....and no Homie ain't gonna pay his bills or he wouldn't be slingin in the first place...it's crooks like that which bleed money from the judicial system...a legit job is something they know nothing about...its too easy to "work" the system to get free housing, food and such which I get to pay for :mad:
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anyone who believes pot is as bad as alcohol....or better yet....heroin.....
is a complete moron....
that is all.
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well um...the federal government thinks pot is more addictive and dangerous than coke and meth. :confused:
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anyone who believes pot is as bad as alcohol....or better yet....heroin.....
is a complete moron....
that is all.
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the most violent act a pothead will commit is steal his friends food and forgetting to tidy away the evidence
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that is because they are a bunch of morons who overlord a bunch of sheep :aok
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the most violent act a pothead will commit is steal his friends food and forgetting to tidy away the evidence
:lol
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I'm 39 years old and I have never tried the stuff. Strange, considering my diagnosis of Crohn's disease is one of the more popular medical uses of the stuff.
Simply put, the stigma attached to the stuff makes it less appealing to me. Not to mention I can also honestly tell my kids, "Don't do it, I didn't and I lead by example."
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^^^^ Like Blueberry :aok
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We all know (or most know) why they say pot is a gateway drug...because when a kid (or someone who doesn't have any sense) goes to his "guys" house to get his weed his "guy" has some dope (meth, coke, heroin) and uses suggestive sale and BOOM...now pot is a gateway drug...because until the "guy" offered said pothead something else he had no desire to do any dope (yeah drugs are bad umkay, pot isn't anything like dope)....I'm speaking from pure experience here...I've seen it happen...If they were to legalize it, tax it, and control it a person wouldn't be subjected to the ills of the underground :noid
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Please cite some studies to back up your statements.
Reality will tell you a few things:
1. Until the past few years, most departments did not have the funds (and many still don't) to field drug test suspects in minor traffic incidents.
2. Marijuana usage does impair cognitive function which is what controls driving.
3. Marijuana usage involving driver impairment is indeed a factor of impairment just like alcohol impairment. Quantity and tolerance tends to rule.
It's very easy to build up a Marijuana tolerance. In almost every study this post has inspired me to read, long time marijuana users have almost always passed.
I can't tell you how many DUI checkpoints I've drove through while stoned, as long as your car doesn't reek of weed, you'll be fine.
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We all know (or most know) why they say pot is a gateway drug...because when a kid (or someone who doesn't have any sense) goes to his "guys" house to get his weed his "guy" has some dope (meth, coke, heroin) and uses suggestive sale and BOOM...now pot is a gateway drug...because until the "guy" offered said pothead something else he had no desire to do any dope (yeah drugs are bad umkay, pot isn't anything like dope)....I'm speaking from pure experience here...I've seen it happen...If they were to legalize it, tax it, and control it a person wouldn't be subjected to the ills of the underground :noid
that is some funny crap right there :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl.
semp
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I think it's safe to say that Bodhi is a narc or Leo. Who else that plays AH is a Leo? I think it's something worth knowing.
Why is it worth knowing? our squad has several former and current police officers great guys all of them, but you know what their people just like everyone else and much respect for what they do. Our squad talks about the good ol days (70's 80's) all the partying we did, i guess one would say they play this game the same as all of us to have fun hang with friends and just relax.
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LOL Floob, I build WWII airplanes for a living. Nice try. Paranoia suits you though.
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no wonder you change your name so much,your hiding your personal use from the LAW---hehehe
change my name?
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Anyone who uses _illegal_ drugs by definition has a problem. It has nothing to do with the 'dangerousness' of the substance he uses. If he HAS to use the drug despite it being illegal, he has a serious mental problem. A healthy person does not risk with illegal substances when you can find legal alternatives or say, go jogging for an hour.
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The electronic cigarette companies are probably set already to make a ton of money off this new legal addiction they will create.
This is so sad since tobacco use is on a decline.
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Its the biggest money maker for the cartels. All that power and suit cases full of $100 bills floating around? Makes you wonder. And all the zillions spent in enforcement? What a waste.
In one fell swoop we could reduce the power of the cartels, reduce all the Pols, judges, cops, they pay off in their respective countries. We could take away their bread and butter cash crop and in doing so could aim those resources at interdicting the drugs that do matter. Millions of $$ spent in helicopters, airplanes, flying around with legions of troops all looking for plants growing. Thousands of $$ spent just putting someone thru the system for a small amount alone?
What a joke. And the sad thing is legalizing it wouldnt even increase the use of it. Business's would still test for it and kids already get it easily if they want it.
And imagine what the Mexicans are thinking? They are spending big dough , "tho their Police are probably making far more", trying to destroy their crop while we have states up in gringo land legalizing it. They must think were nuts.
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Anyone who uses _illegal_ drugs by definition has a problem. It has nothing to do with the 'dangerousness' of the substance he uses. If he HAS to use the drug despite it being illegal, he has a serious mental problem. A healthy person does not risk with illegal substances when you can find legal alternatives or say, go jogging for an hour.
Alcohol was illegal in my country not that long ago. So, were all the mentally ill people suddenly cured, once prohibition was repealed? As long as they are only doing it to themselves, no law should make it illegal. BTW, I have never even had one puff of marijuana and totally sane, because drinking is legal. :cheers:
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Anyone who uses _illegal_ drugs by definition has a problem. It has nothing to do with the 'dangerousness' of the substance he uses. If he HAS to use the drug despite it being illegal, he has a serious mental problem. A healthy person does not risk with illegal substances when you can find legal alternatives or say, go jogging for an hour.
Surely you can't be serious.
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Surely you can't be serious.
When your field of view is from a small window in right field anything is possible.
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Surely you can't be serious.
I am serious and don't call me Shirley
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Its the biggest money maker for the cartels. All that power and suit cases full of $100 bills floating around? Makes you wonder. And all the zillions spent in enforcement? What a waste.
In one fell swoop we could reduce the power of the cartels, reduce all the Pols, judges, cops, they pay off in their respective countries. We could take away their bread and butter cash crop and in doing so could aim those resources at interdicting the drugs that do matter. Millions of $$ spent in helicopters, airplanes, flying around with legions of troops all looking for plants growing. Thousands of $$ spent just putting someone thru the system for a small amount alone?
What a joke. And the sad thing is legalizing it wouldnt even increase the use of it. Business's would still test for it and kids already get it easily if they want it.
And imagine what the Mexicans are thinking? They are spending big dough , "tho their Police are probably making far more", trying to destroy their crop while we have states up in gringo land legalizing it. They must think were nuts.
YEAH, very well said. :aok :old:
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Anyone who uses _illegal_ drugs by definition has a problem. It has nothing to do with the 'dangerousness' of the substance he uses. If he HAS to use the drug despite it being illegal, he has a serious mental problem. A healthy person does not risk with illegal substances when you can find legal alternatives or say, go jogging for an hour.
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sorry I don't mean to laugh at you.....
this is one close minded statement and one the government wants all its slaves to think.
me personally....I like to think for myself....
I would also say that when they said...."We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness...."
they did not intend that a few hundred years later to have those who would take their place to have 100% control of what we put in our own bodies.....over how we live our lives.....but they knew that was a possibility.....so they added this to it...
"...That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security..."
but Honestly though.....most close minded people will never think for themselves and will listen to "big brother" every time
.......Alcohol kills 100,000 friggen people a year.....
pot kills NONE and actually helps many......
don't drink and drive....BUT stop by our state liqueur store on the HIGHWAY....or come through our DRIVE THROUGH LIQUEUR STATE store.......
doesn't take a rocket scientist.....
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I might as well give my 2 cents on this.
If you ask me, pot should be legal for recreational/medical use but only in private places such as your own house, yard, ect... I don't care if anyone smokes it or whatever and I don't believe it's a gateway drug either. If it makes someone happy and helps them with a medical condition of some sorts then go ahead. Just don't try to force me to do it. Iv'e smoked pot before but never could get into it. Why? Because it's too damn expensive.
And that's where the good part comes in.
Taxes.
Lots of them. Especially on marijuana itself.
How much money would be made?
Lots.
I honestly see no issue with pot being legalized within the U.S. What's even funnier is that you cant die from smoking it either, yet people claim that it kills thousands every year. What kills people every year, is worse than pot and is a toxicant to the body? Booze. Liquor. Wine. Alcohol. Drink too much and you die, drink just enough and you start driving, you might end up crashing and killing yourself, the other person you run into, the people in your car and on top of that you can end up in jail for the rest of your life.
Kind of backwards thinking going on here on the government's part but i'm not going to divulge into that.
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pot can kill you :old:
the many ways pot can kill you.....
a ton of pot in creates could fall on you and crush you and you die.
you could be pulled over...and then try to eat away the "evidence" and choke on it, and Die.
you could be transporting a ton of it in crates and and have to stop fast and it flies forward and crushes you....and you die.....(<---yes this actually happened :rofl)
you could be a construction worker on a roof....... pack a bowl ...then drop said bowl....diving quickly to retrieve said bowl...you dive to much and actually fall off the roof and you die.
you smoke 1,500 LBS in 15 minutes........<--------Fact.
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pot can kill you :old:
the many ways pot can kill you.....
a ton of pot in creates could fall on you and crush you and you die.
The pot didn't kill you, the crate falling from a certain height with enough weight inside of it did.
you could be pulled over...and then try to eat away the "evidence" and choke on it, and Die.
That's just being an idiot. But still a way that it could kill you.
you could be transporting a ton of it in crates and and have to stop fast and it flies forward and crushes you....and you die.....(<---yes this actually happened :rofl)
Once again, the crate killed you from having enough weight inside of it.
you could be a construction worker on a roof....... pack a bowl ...then drop said bowl....diving quickly to retrieve said bowl...you dive to much and actually fall off the roof and you die.
Darwinism at it's finest.
you smoke 1,500 LBS in 15 minutes........<--------Fact.
This is dependent on your weight. If you weigh 150# then yes, but if you weigh 250 you'll have to smoke 2500# in less than 15 minutes. 10 * your weight = how much pot you'd have to smoke to die from it.
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We all know (or most know) why they say pot is a gateway drug...because when a kid (or someone who doesn't have any sense) goes to his "guys" house to get his weed his "guy" has some dope (meth, coke, heroin) and uses suggestive sale and BOOM...now pot is a gateway drug...because until the "guy" offered said pothead something else he had no desire to do any dope (yeah drugs are bad umkay, pot isn't anything like dope)....I'm speaking from pure experience here...I've seen it happen...If they were to legalize it, tax it, and control it a person wouldn't be subjected to the ills of the underground :noid
I knew this guy who looked like a narc (can't quite put my finger on it), who went to go get some weed and came back paranoid as funk. He said "well I just tried crack for the first time". We were like oh sh*t bro, that's all bad. He said the dealer was sitting around with some crack friends doing the do, one of the friends got really paranoid and said he needed to smoke it to prove he wasn't undercover so he did. This guy has a wife a kid a job and a 4 year degree, he was not looking for a way to ruin his life but was pier pressured by others to try it. The guy never did it again in case you were wondering...crack that is. Would this have happened if weed was legal? probably not.
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I knew this guy who looked like a narc (can't quite put my finger on it), who went to go get some weed and came back paranoid as funk. He said "well I just tried crack for the first time". We were like oh sh*t bro, that's all bad. He said the dealer was sitting around with some crack friends doing the do, one of the friends got really paranoid and said he needed to smoke it to prove he wasn't undercover so he did. This guy has a wife a kid a job and a 4 year degree, he was not looking for a way to ruin his life but was pier pressured by others to try it. The guy never did it again in case you were wondering...crack that is. Would this have happened if weed was legal? probably not.
Welcome to modern life. When/where nobody is responsible for anything they do.
Lol.....what a post.
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pot can kill you :old:
the many ways pot can kill you.....
ink, pot is just like alcohol. it impairs you. like cigarettes it can also give you cancer. when i was younger, i knew plenty of people who did nothing but smoke all day long. no job, no money, so they would steal whatever just to spend their whole day stones. then again there are plenty of people who do nothing but drink all day and will do, whatever to get money just to say drunk.
having said that. I really wish it was legal as I would use it instead of pain pills to help me with my back. the only reason I dont use it today is because they drug test me at work quite often. and our company is very anal about their drug policy. then again if they werent we would have a couple of dead guys at work a year from idiots that think that pot doesnt affect your performance.
pot is not this dangerous drugs that will turn you into harder drugs. then again it's not without its dangers either.
semp
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ink, pot is just like alcohol......
semp
sorry bro you lost me here....
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then again if they werent we would have a couple of dead guys at work a year from idiots that think that pot doesnt affect your performance.
Well I hold pot responsible for many of the deaths of pizza drivers on the road these days.
Were it not for the munchies of pot crazed pizza lovers those drivers wouldnt be on THAT road at THAT time and wouldnt have been hit by a drunk driver.
Then you have probably hundred of choking deaths each year by weedaholics choking on potato chips. Especially those that dont drink and didnt have a beer handy to wash that killer chip down. Lucky for me, in my youth, I was never without a cold beer handy. Most of all on Monty Python Sunday nights.
Statistics dont lie.....Live with that fact you pot smoking scoundrels.
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Let's play a game called......drum roll please
Iv'e never smoked soo much weed that I....
Things I've done on alcohol.
Asked a friends girlfriend to partake in intercourse with me, while friend was present.
Woke up in a puddle of my piss annd went back to sleep.
Explain to a cop why I almost ran him over.
Asked my cousin to ask his girlfriend to have a 3 way...I don't remember doing this.
Do the stanky leg to george strait, in a country themed bar which got me walked right out of there.
Walked into strangers house and called next at the kitchen table.
Thought it was a good idea to walk around with a mortar firing artillery shells like I was Liu kang.
with this in mind, have a safe new years all.
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sorry bro you lost me here....
you mean to say that weed doesnt impair at all? weed impairs your ability to drive a car, just like alcohol, some prescription medications and harder drugs do.
true not the same as somebody with a bac a couple of times above the legal limit, but you dont act like somebody who hadnt had a drink either. I smoked weed for many years when I was young and it does impair you. some people like to think that it doesnt, but it does.
I do would like to see weed being legal all over the place as I do see some benefits. but I dont live in denial thinking weed isnt harmful because "it comes from god", that is just total nonsense.
semp
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you mean to say that weed doesnt impair at all? weed impairs your ability to drive a car, just like alcohol, some prescription medications and harder drugs do.
true not the same as somebody with a bac a couple of times above the legal limit, but you dont act like somebody who hadnt had a drink either. I smoked weed for many years when I was young and it does impair you. some people like to think that it doesnt, but it does.
I do would like to see weed being legal all over the place as I do see some benefits. but I dont live in denial thinking weed isnt harmful because "it comes from god", that is just total nonsense.
semp
not saying it doesn't "impair" you....
I am saying the benefits far outweigh the negatives...
with Alcohol there are NO benefits except getting high.....and the negative aspect is huge compared to bud......
opposite side of the spectrum. :rolleyes:
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Let's play a game called......drum roll please
Iv'e never smoked soo much weed that I....
Things I've done on alcohol.
Asked a friends girlfriend to partake in intercourse with me, while friend was present.
Woke up in a puddle of my piss annd went back to sleep.
Explain to a cop why I almost ran him over.
Asked my cousin to ask his girlfriend to have a 3 way...I don't remember doing this.
Do the stanky leg to george strait, in a country themed bar which got me walked right out of there.
Walked into strangers house and called next at the kitchen table.
Thought it was a good idea to walk around with a mortar firing artillery shells like I was Liu kang.
with this in mind, have a safe new years all.
can we start comparing acid trips to weed? :rolleyes: :rock :rolleyes: :uhoh
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Actually Ink, you are incorrect when you say there are no benefits to alcohol. It is widely recognized that in moderation, certain alcohols actually promotes heart health.
As for your statement that Marijuana poses no health risks, that is 100% false.
Marijuana causes increased heart rates and lower blood psi within minutes of using it. This increases the risk of heart attack.
Marijuana smoke contains three times the amount of tar found in tobacco smoke and 50 percent more carcinogens, it would seem logical to deduce that there is an increased risk of lung cancer for marijuana smokers. Studies proving this have been limited, but should not be discounted as there have been limited sampling sizes owing to the illegal nature of the drug.
Marijuana usage inhibits the ability of the immune system.
Long term marijuana usage is associated with long term memory.
Marijuana is a drug that has risks. You really need to stop comparing it to other drugs in an attempt to make it seem acceptable. It only makes your argument look weak.
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Actually Ink, you are incorrect when you say there are no benefits to alcohol. It is widely recognized that in moderation, certain alcohols actually promotes heart health.
As for your statement that Marijuana poses no health risks, that is 100% false.
Marijuana causes increased heart rates and lower blood psi within minutes of using it. This increases the risk of heart attack.
Marijuana smoke contains three times the amount of tar found in tobacco smoke and 50 percent more carcinogens, it would seem logical to deduce that there is an increased risk of lung cancer for marijuana smokers. Studies proving this have been limited, but should not be discounted as there have been limited sampling sizes owing to the illegal nature of the drug.
Marijuana usage inhibits the ability of the immune system.
Long term marijuana usage is associated with long term memory.
Marijuana is a drug that has risks. You really need to stop comparing it to other drugs in an attempt to make it seem acceptable. It only makes your argument look weak.
this is ridiculous!~ :furious Marijuana used in moderation is not being considered. please try again.
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this is ridiculous!~ :furious Marijuana used in moderation is not being considered. please try again.
weed used in moderation still has risks. remember you dont smoke weed the same way you smoke a cigarette. you really suck the hell out of it :O. you inhale more smoke and carcinogens that cigarretes.
but the risks you take are yours. the decision should be yours, just like with drinking. just dont do stupid things like thinking that you can drive a car and operate heavy machinery. or smoke then go to school and think that you will learn something.
semp
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this is ridiculous!~ :furious Marijuana used in moderation is not being considered. please try again.
Provide a study. There is not one that supports marijuana use in moderation as being good for you.
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my study..is a little thing called...life... ;)
never said there are no risks or no ill effects.....
besides if you eat it...99% of those are gone....
I said the Benefits far out weight the negative......
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Your life experiences do not make marijuana beneficial.
Sorry, but I would consider much of what you have claimed to have done to be poor choices that do not back your claim.
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Your life experiences do not make marijuana beneficial.
Sorry, but I would consider much of what you have claimed to have done to be poor choices that do not back your claim.
narc! While I agree with what you have said for the most part, years ago I was part of the wake and bake crowd simply for pain management. Yeah, it's illegal (was at least, some states are headed in the right direction), but so are a whole lot of other things way worse than pot. Having said that, I no longer do it as I've been able to keep my pain manageable with RX pain killers (legal ones, not off the street. :) ) I, like delirium am just kinda turned off by the stigma about it anymore. But, if people want to toke up I really have no objection.
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I don't have an issue with marijuana used for pain management. If it is legally prescribed, that's great. I do have a problem with stoners thinking that it is perfectly fine with no consequences. That's my issue.
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Provide a study. There is not one that supports marijuana use in moderation as being good for you.
You didn't provide one for your claims. Why should he? And there are plenty of of claims that moderate use is beneficial, hence Medical Marijuana.
But since you asked here's a dozen or so. (http://www.cmcr.ucsd.edu/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&id=41&Itemid=135)
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You didn't provide one for your claims. Why should he? And there are plenty of of claims that moderate use is beneficial, hence Medical Marijuana.
But since you asked here's a dozen or so. (http://www.cmcr.ucsd.edu/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&id=41&Itemid=135)
Uh, none of those included recreational use.
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Banning alcohol would also be a benefit to society :old:
In fact a prohibition act would solve numerous social problems :old:
All the countries that outlaw alcohol are a shining example of modernism :old:
obviously we can keep some alcohol products such as beer for nutritional properties and Brandy for keeping you warm :old:
Colonial beer is water and wee :old:
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just as a small case study, no one who plays aces high really drunk is any good in a real 1on1 fight. Lots of the best players I know are stoned when they fly to perfection. Just throwing that out there.
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I dont smoke the stuff, never have and never will, smells like bad BO to me :lol I agree with what zack said back on like page 2, the only reason its illegal is the govt cant make money on it, too many small growers to be able to control it. Do I think you should smoke while at work? absolutely not do I think you should smoke while driving, absolutely not. IMHO pot is not as dangerous as alcohol, I have NEVER heard of someone crashing their car because they were toked up(not saying it doesnt or cant happen, I am sure it does, I have just never heard of it) I have heard quite often, drunk driver in accident kills family of 3, drunk driver crossed median on highway and crashed into oncoming traffic injuring several. I dont believe alcohol should be illegal, as its poor CHOICES made by dumbarsed people, then blame it on the booze. I see absolutely nothing wrong with getting so plastered that you pass out or make an idiot out of yourself AT HOME. I also dont see anything wrong with getting completely blazed in your home either, what someone does in their own home is none of anyone elses business(apartments aside) I think it should be legalized, I see it no different than booze
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In regards to booze, you should see the state of my lavatory after recent festivities :cry
Its a nightmare :cry
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IMHO pot is not as dangerous as alcohol, I have NEVER heard of someone crashing their car because they were toked up(not saying it doesnt or cant happen, I am sure it does, I have just never heard of it)
According to this: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_driving_deaths_are_due_to_Marijuana (http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_driving_deaths_are_due_to_Marijuana) 1% out of 40.000 traffic deaths makes 400 dead pot influenced drivers. I can't give any statistics, but I believe that there are more than 99 alcohol users to one pot smoker, which would mean that a greater percentage of potters drive compared to drunks.
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pretty sad stats here :( http://www.centurycouncil.org/drunk-driving/drunk-driving-fatalities-national-statistics 400 vs 10k lol either or if they are caught stoned or drunk there should be stiff penalties for both, because they aren't only endangering their lives (I couldnt care less) but everyone else on the road. I had an eye opener several years back where I saw a family of 4 that got hit head on by a guy who was drunk and racing down the road in speeds greater than 80 mph in a 35. I tell ya after seeing first hand 2 little kids in the back seat that were mangled up and dead, I have absolutely no sympathy on drunk drivers :mad: they should never be allowed to drive again cars taken away and whatever to keep them from seeing the roads again. that was almost 9 years ago but the image is still burned into my mind. I am sure some of you all on here have seen the same :( I feel the same way about driving stoned, still impaired
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Uh, none of those included recreational use.
Uh, he said moderate use. He didn't specify the reason.
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"smoking every day for about three years"
Ignoring that this is a fairly unreasonable amount of marijuana to be smoking, do you know what medical condition affects those who, say, drink every day for three years?
Death.
(http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac293/AuldRasmie/Willie%20Nelson/WillieNelson2K10057.jpg)
News to this man!
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Banning alcohol would also be a benefit to society :old:
In fact a prohibition act would solve numerous social problems :old:
All the countries that outlaw alcohol are a shining example of modernism :old:
obviously we can keep some alcohol products such as beer for nutritional properties and Brandy for keeping you warm :old:
Colonial beer is water and wee :old:
so your will should be imposed on others because you know best?
Freedom is the only answer,, freedom to do stupid things,, as well as smart ones.
Prohibition was tried, and failed,,, it will continue to fail in its current state as well,, until those in power here wake up, look around, and see better ways! Decriminalization is the only real answer,, it's been done in other places, the studies have been done as well to show the effects of such,,, read up on them !
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Things I've done on alcohol.
Asked a friends girlfriend to partake in intercourse with me, while friend was present.
Woke up in a puddle of my piss annd went back to sleep.
Explain to a cop why I almost ran him over.
Asked my cousin to ask his girlfriend to have a 3 way...I don't remember doing this.
Do the stanky leg to george strait, in a country themed bar which got me walked right out of there.
Walked into strangers house and called next at the kitchen table.
Thought it was a good idea to walk around with a mortar firing artillery shells like I was Liu kang.
with this in mind, have a safe new years all.
Matts bucket list
#10... Go drinking with Bagrat at least once in my life
Whew....finally finished...Thanks Bagrat :aok :D
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just as a small case study, no one who plays aces high really drunk is any good in a real 1on1 fight. Lots of the best players I know are stoned when they fly to perfection. Just throwing that out there.
Lab studies have shown that driving stoned is just as risky as driving drunk. But I guess we'll take your word for it instead :devil
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good plan, I know a lot more about it than those silly scientists filling out their grant quota the way the were asked to :cool:
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just as a small case study, no one who plays aces high really drunk is any good in a real 1on1 fight. Lots of the best players I know are stoned when they fly to perfection. Just throwing that out there.
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What everyone talking about???? :cool:
:salute
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Lab studies have shown that driving stoned is just as risky as driving drunk. But I guess we'll take your word for it instead :devil
I notice you're a big "throw an unsubstantiated claim out there and run" kinda guy. Show your work, M'kay? While you're digging around for something to back that last one up, why don't you look at the risk of driving stoned vs driving distracted (phone, text, radio, hamburger, ect) and give us a reason why cell phones, books and food shouldn't be banned in a car.
For the record, I'm not advocating driving impaired under any substance/circumstance. I'm just pointing out how bad your theory is.
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I notice you're a big "throw an unsubstantiated claim out there and run" kinda guy. Show your work, M'kay? While you're digging around for something to back that last one up, why don't you look at the risk of driving stoned vs driving distracted (phone, text, radio, hamburger, ect) and give us a reason why cell phones, books and food shouldn't be banned in a car.
For the record, I'm not advocating driving impaired under any substance/circumstance. I'm just pointing out how bad your theory is.
I dont really need lab studies to prove that driving while stoned wont affect you at all. I have driven stoned and drunk. while I dont think you can really get "too stoned" in the same sense as "too drunk". it still affects your ability to drive.
driving while stoned doesnt even fit in the same category as phone, text, radio/hamburger.
semp
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I am laughing at you Bodhi......
for you to think you "know" what I have done.......that is just funny.
and then to say it wasn't good..or whatever negative thing it was.......
when all you are doing is perpetuating lies told by those who want to control the people.
I guess I will continue being me and knowing what I do is my own actions and not what they want me to do. :aok
you...continue being that sheep. :lol
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and when the smoke settles...its still a drug...it is a big waste of time and can alter a child's development...it can ease mental stress and pain...it provides a new perspective on life without the alcohol side effects...failing a drug test puts you to the bottom of the selection pool for a job...it a part of life, always has, always will...understanding it more should only improve us a civilization.
Why will we be better? Because when the issue becomes stale and stable people will still have to go about there lives, there will be no special drug market pushing it on kids, no more arguments about how good or bad it is, and over time most people notice its effects and would rather be sober and productive. Just another issue to teach your kids, if you haven't already.
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I dont really need lab studies to prove that driving while stoned wont affect you at all.
Yeah, ya do. There is a level of impairment. It might not be as severe as alcohol or narcotics, but it impairs. However, you can't remove everything that could possibly cause harm. The best you can do is set rules for use. Stay within those rules and you're OK. It's better than nothing at all and you can always amend them later.
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I notice you're a big "throw an unsubstantiated claim out there and run" kinda guy.
I notice you must be stoned.
REFERENCE: W. Hindrik and J. Robbe and J. O’Hanlon. 1993. Marijuana and actual driving performance. Washington, DC: US Department of Transportation National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, Report No. DOT HS 808 078.
REFERENCE: H. Robbe. 1995. Marijuana’s effects on actual driving performance. In: C. Kloeden and A. McLean (Eds) Alcohol, Drugs and Traffic Safety T-95. Adelaide: Australia: HHMRC Road Research Unit, University of Adelaide. Pp. 11-20.
REFERENCE: B. Sexton et al. 2000. The influence of cannabis on driving: A report prepared for the UK Department of the Environment, Transport and the Regions (Road Safety Division). Crowthorne, Berks: TRL Limited.
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I notice you must be stoned.
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I notice you're a big "throw an unsubstantiated claim out there and run" kinda guy. Show your work, M'kay? While you're digging around for something to back that last one up, why don't you look at the risk of driving stoned vs driving distracted (phone, text, radio, hamburger, ect) and give us a reason why cell phones, books and food shouldn't be banned in a car.
For the record, I'm not advocating driving impaired under any substance/circumstance. I'm just pointing out how bad your theory is.
Apparently I'm not the one who's stoned. I bolded it for you.
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Yeah, ya do. There is a level of impairment. It might not be as severe as alcohol or narcotics, but it impairs. However, you can't remove everything that could possibly cause harm. The best you can do is set rules for use. Stay within those rules and you're OK. It's better than nothing at all and you can always amend them later.
like i said :I dont really need lab studies to prove that driving while stoned wont affect you at all" meaning getting stoned will affect you.
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Apparently I'm not the one who's stoned. I bolded it for you.
You claimed I was lying and couldn't provide the studies. I proved you wrong. Contrary to your beliefs I never make claims I can't back up. Oh and for the rest of your post: Cell phone usage while driving is already banned in several countries. Most countries I believe also ban any activities that may distract the driver from driving without specifying.
In my country for example you have to use a hands-free system if you want to talk during driving - although studies have shown that it makes little difference. The talking itself is distraction enough for some people. You can notice these people easily on highway when they typically suddenly slow down their driving speed with no apparent reason, then when you overtake them you see theyre talking on the phone.
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like i said :I dont really need lab studies to prove that driving while stoned wont affect you at all" meaning getting stoned will affect you.
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No your sentence claims that driving while stoned won't affect you at all and you don't need lab studies to prove it. Otherwise your sentence would go: I dont really need lab studies to disprove that driving while stoned wont affect you at all
Studies show that driving stoned impairs your driving ability especially in lateral movements but is considered less dangerous than drunk driving because stoners drive slowly to compensate their lack of ability. Unfortunately the impaired ability to react to sudden danger situations remains a problem which no compensation can help with. And we all love the bottlenecks in the traffic don't we. Old women and stoners, cause of traffic jams worldwide.
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No your sentence claims that driving while stoned won't affect you at all and you don't need lab studies to prove it. Otherwise your sentence would go: I dont really need lab studies to disprove that driving while stoned wont affect you at all
Studies show that driving stoned impairs your driving ability especially in lateral movements but is considered less dangerous than drunk driving because stoners drive slowly to compensate their lack of ability. Unfortunately the impaired ability to react to sudden danger situations remains a problem which no compensation can help with. And we all love the bottlenecks in the traffic don't we. Old women and stoners, cause of traffic jams worldwide.
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oh man this is laughable.....
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No your sentence claims that driving while stoned won't affect you at all and you don't need lab studies to prove it. Otherwise your sentence would go: I dont really need lab studies to disprove that driving while stoned wont affect you at all
Studies show that driving stoned impairs your driving ability especially in lateral movements but is considered less dangerous than drunk driving because stoners drive slowly to compensate their lack of ability. Unfortunately the impaired ability to react to sudden danger situations remains a problem which no compensation can help with. And we all love the bottlenecks in the traffic don't we. Old women and stoners, cause of traffic jams worldwide.
boy you are one hard headed man ripley. here's my full quote. please do tell me where i said that driving while stoned wont affect you.
I dont really need lab studies to prove that driving while stoned wont affect you at all. I have driven stoned and drunk. while I dont think you can really get "too stoned" in the same sense as "too drunk". it still affects your ability to drive.
driving while stoned doesnt even fit in the same category as phone, text, radio/hamburger.
semp
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boy you are one hard headed man ripley. here's my full quote. please do tell me where i said that driving while stoned wont affect you.
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Right in your quote. It's surprising that you do not understand what you write - but then again it would not be the first time someone is using double negatives without understanding that the net effect is a positive lol.
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oh man this is laughable.....
Yep its pretty funny that a foreigner has to teach you written english.
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Driving high does affect you so does driving drunk. Does there really need to be this many pages.
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I am laughing at you Bodhi......
for you to think you "know" what I have done.......that is just funny.
and then to say it wasn't good..or whatever negative thing it was.......
when all you are doing is perpetuating lies told by those who want to control the people.
I guess I will continue being me and knowing what I do is my own actions and not what they want me to do. :aok
you...continue being that sheep. :lol
You are laughing at me? OK, that's cool.
FWIW, you might want to go back and read what I said. It is based upon your statements and my opinion on it. Pure and simple. Whatever chip you have on your shoulder is beyond me so you might want to realize the reference of the thread and the subject at hand is all this talks about.
As for me perpetuating lies, please, provide me with legitimate documentation that shows me "perpetuating lies". I am going to bet that you cannot, but I am more than willing to provide you the opportunity to back up the statement. Otherwise, you can be an honest man and withdraw it.
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I was going to quote some good research...but i got high.
And now im tired of working and i know why...
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeYsTmIzjkw
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Done with this thread because of above reason ^^^^^ :aok
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You can't argue with close-minded people..
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Yep its pretty funny that a foreigner has to teach you written english.
its laughable that you believe what you wrote :aok
You are laughing at me? OK, that's cool.
FWIW, you might want to go back and read what I said. It is based upon your statements and my opinion on it. Pure and simple. Whatever chip you have on your shoulder is beyond me so you might want to realize the reference of the thread and the subject at hand is all this talks about.
As for me perpetuating lies, please, provide me with legitimate documentation that shows me "perpetuating lies". I am going to bet that you cannot, but I am more than willing to provide you the opportunity to back up the statement. Otherwise, you can be an honest man and withdraw it.
I don't need to read what some tard in a white coat who has an agenda has to say about something that I have actually experienced....and I have experienced mary probably more then most on these boards combined....
I am laughing at you gents who cant think for yourselves, but have to depend on what others tell you to think.
the whole stoner drivers..... drive slower..... thing....just tickled me pink. :rofl :rofl :rofl(what a complete and utter nonfactual statement)
hey I have a suggestion....
why don't you guys actually have a bit of experience before you start spouting about something you have no clue about.
to reiterate what I said so you dimm witted ones can understand
I never said pot has NO ill effects...I was basically saying the ill effects are minor....
compared to what alcohol does they are non existent.<-----that is my main point
pot has far more benefits then alcohol<-----and this.
if you really want to argue that point go for it.....
I will think you are as sharp as a bowling ball......but that's nothing new around here :aok
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I always put cruise control on when I smoked lol. Stop at a stop sign wait 15 minutes and then go :D. So I for one do drive slower. Just my experience.
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I always put cruise control on when I smoked lol. Stop at a stop sign wait 15 minutes and then go :D. So I for one do drive slower. Just my experience.
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I didn't :D
but then again I owned a 1973 Dodge Challenger :rock and that baby just loved going fast....
except when I smoked for some reason I couldn't find the peddle...... :rolleyes:
being a tattoo artist for the last 25 years meeting 1000's and 1000's of people.....did I say thousands....I have probably tattooed 50,000 + people and a good majority of those are smokers.....many of them would bring me Mary to make it a better experience.
when I had less kids, I would go through a zip a day.......
I have been toking for about 35 years....I think I know what pot does to someone.
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The deed is done. No turning back now I am sorry say.
Seems like I read it is 200 bucks an ounce so the drug dealers can easily maintain a strong gripe on the market and I would think the illegal market will grow exponentially with the legal flare that the Colorado law makers have adorned the wild weed.
Some might call it the "Great Experiment". Time will tell.
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80 years of government propaganda will be tough to overcome but i think we can do it. :pray
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I didn't :D
but then again I owned a 1973 Dodge Challenger :rock and that baby just loved going fast....
except when I smoked for some reason I couldn't find the peddle...... :rolleyes:
being a tattoo artist for the last 25 years meeting 1000's and 1000's of people.....did I say thousands....I have probably tattooed 50,000 + people and a good majority of those are smokers.....many of them would bring me Mary to make it a better experience.
when I had less kids, I would go through a zip a day.......
I have been toking for about 35 years....I think I know what pot does to someone.
No joke out of 30+ years do you have any short term memory loss or anything like that?
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No joke out of 30+ years do you have any short term memory loss or anything like that?
what were we talking about.....
:D
in all seriousness, yes I do, for sure, its not major by any means, but I notice it sometimes......usually looking for my lighter haha
but the fact that I don't have to deal with horrible dreams of watching my kids die just about every time I try to sleep...(if I smoke regularly)
and dealing with pancreas pain is much easier when I smoke, its not a great pain killer by any means, but it takes the edge off.....
and if I didn't smoke there would be dead bodies...so ya I'll keep smoking till I am no more.
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My dreams start when not smoking so yeah......lots of dreams for the last 3 years.
I didn't remember dreams when I was smoking and maybe wasn't having any.
Short term memory loss really didn't occur but the importance I placed on certain tasks would be switched to something else in my mind so the lack of caring about something could cause a lapse in concentration.
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My dreams start when not smoking so yeah......lots of dreams for the last 3 years.
I didn't remember dreams when I was smoking and maybe wasn't having any.
Short term memory loss really didn't occur but the importance I placed on certain tasks would be switched to something else in my mind so the lack of caring about something could cause a lapse in concentration.
same...I don't remember the dreams if I smoke regular.....which is a Godsend.
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Now I get your handle ;)
Smoked some Bluberry last night
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But my handle comes from somewhere else. :aok
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Hearst's timber holdings were about to become almost worthless as hemp was poised to takeover the paper industry so Hearst had to do something!
enter Anslinger and his racial propaganda..... almost 40 years later we get.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3YtvuZ2-I0
All things in moderation,anything taken to excess is bound to have ill effects.
We need to take the profit out of vices,trying to prohibit doesnt work and only opens up a black market that has no controls. Man has always used intoxicants and always will,heck even animals use intoxicants!
Society needs to treat this as a social/health issue and not a criminal issue. I'm not talking just about weed either,all drugs need to be distributed with medical supervision.
This way I dont need to worry about some junkie kicking in my backdoor to steal my TV to pay for his fix when all it would cost is a couple bucks a day to keep that from happening. At the same time they could be helped with the real problem thats causing them to self medicate.
LOL what do I know....I'd never touch that evil stuff...... :devil
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I notice you must be stoned.
REFERENCE: W. Hindrik and J. Robbe and J. O’Hanlon. 1993. Marijuana and actual driving performance. Washington, DC: US Department of Transportation National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, Report No. DOT HS 808 078.
REFERENCE: H. Robbe. 1995. Marijuana’s effects on actual driving performance. In: C. Kloeden and A. McLean (Eds) Alcohol, Drugs and Traffic Safety T-95. Adelaide: Australia: HHMRC Road Research Unit, University of Adelaide. Pp. 11-20.
REFERENCE: B. Sexton et al. 2000. The influence of cannabis on driving: A report prepared for the UK Department of the Environment, Transport and the Regions (Road Safety Division). Crowthorne, Berks: TRL Limited.
http://casr.adelaide.edu.au/t95/paper/s1p2.html (http://casr.adelaide.edu.au/t95/paper/s1p2.html)
THC's effects on road-tracking after doses up to 300 µg/kg never exceeded alcohol's at bacs of 0.08 g%; and, were in no way unusual compared to many medicinal drugs' (Robbe, 1994; Robbe and O'Hanlon, 1995; O'Hanlon et al., 1995). Yet, THC's effects differ qualitatively from many other drugs, especially alcohol. Evidence from the present and previous studies strongly suggests that alcohol encourages risky driving whereas THC encourages greater caution, at least in experiments. Another way THC seems to differ qualitatively from many other drugs is that the former's users seem better able to compensate for its adverse effects while driving under the influence.
Great reference!
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Smoked some Bluberry last night
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But my handle comes from somewhere else. :aok
beautiful :aok
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Why blueberry? It's green with red hair.
Better to get that purple haired stuff and call that blueberry...no?
Does it taste like blueberries or something?
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FYI for those that are going to cite references please use references from within the last 8-9 years because that is when the long term studies started being released and the more recent studies are much more reliable references than those done in the early 1990s. Just think how much science has advanced since then.
Here are recent studies on the effects of THC of both acute and chronic use and recreational use.
http://blog.uvm.edu/jrhughes/files/2011/11/10.1.1.175.3772.pdf - Health effects of recreational use
http://jop.sagepub.com/content/23/6/714.short - Long term effects on the visual motor system
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3037578/ - Acute and long term use of THC and effects of cognitive function. For the argument of driving please just look at the concentration and attention part and decision making,
Just some found through Google Scholar from 2009 on. Not going do all the research for everyone but just shows how much different science can be from the 1990s to the more recent day. There is a reason why writing a scientific paper its advisable to use as much recent material as possible not stuff that is 40-50 years old unless it is the basis for a scientific theory such as the Watson and Crick DNA material.
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Why blueberry? It's green with red hair.
The name of a strain does not have to coincide with the color of the plant.
Better to get that purple haired stuff and call that blueberry...no? no
Does it taste like blueberries or something? it has a fruity aroma and taste when smoked that can be related to a common fruit like blueberry.
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Ink, that you think your "experience" overrides scientific fact speaks volumes on your intellect.
Talk about sharp as a bowling ball.... lol.
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Ink, that you think your "experience" overrides scientific fact speaks volumes on your intellect.
Talk about sharp as a bowling ball.... lol.
it is "scientific fact" now is it.....
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priceless.
ignorance is bliss.......enjoy it....... you have been given a full measure of it.
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let me guess....you are the kind that actually believes it is a "privilege" to drive on our roads also.......
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No joke out of 30+ years do you have any short term memory loss or anything like that?
I smoked some really, really good pot (hydro white widow) daily for about a year. And yes I noticed memory loss, I would forget about things, pretty significant things that I did regardless of weather I was high or not. For example I'd go to a meeting at work sober and totally forget about it. I'd be like "when did this change? I never heard about it." And they'd be like, "they told everyone at the meeting" And I'd be like "Oh F I missed the big ol' important meeting!" And they'd be like "Uh.. you were there, it was last week". I'd say Nuh-uh, and they'd talk about it and describe it for a few minutes before I'd finally be like "Oh Sh that's right!". I stopped smoking a couple years ago and I haven't noticed any more amnesia episodes.
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http://casr.adelaide.edu.au/t95/paper/s1p2.html (http://casr.adelaide.edu.au/t95/paper/s1p2.html)
Great reference!
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Yes it is, it confirms clearly that pot impairs drivers ability to drive, only differently from alcohol.
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ok I am stepping back...
Bodhi sorry for insulting you....its not called for and is wrong of me.... :salute
its ok that we have different opinions....
I do want to say you cant believe everything you read....one of those "studies" says you can OD on 15grams.....
trust me when I say...you can not OD on any amount of pot. That is fact.
many "studies" have agendas, I am not the kind of person who believes what he reads or hears unless he knows the source of the information...and even then I question it.
anyways Truly Bodhi....I was wrong to insult you. :salute
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sorry I don't mean to laugh at you.....
this is one close minded statement and one the government wants all its slaves to think.
me personally....I like to think for myself....
I would also say that when they said...."We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness...."
they did not intend that a few hundred years later to have those who would take their place to have 100% control of what we put in our own bodies.....over how we live our lives.....but they knew that was a possibility.....so they added this to it...
"...That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security..."
but Honestly though.....most close minded people will never think for themselves and will listen to "big brother" every time
.......Alcohol kills 100,000 friggen people a year.....
pot kills NONE and actually helps many......
don't drink and drive....BUT stop by our state liqueur store on the HIGHWAY....or come through our DRIVE THROUGH LIQUEUR STATE store.......
doesn't take a rocket scientist.....
All due respect. I spent 26 years as an LEO in a major city. I've seen homicides, traffic fatalities, rapes, ....all other assorted crimes where the offender used marijuana. Among the common excuses I heard from the suspects I interviewed...I didn't know what I was doing, I was high. This was from a guy I arrested after he raced past an unloading school bus at 60 mph in his pickup. The 10 year old he hit was knocked 80 feet from point of impact. I live with the thought of seeing her in the morgue every once and a while on certain days of the year. BTW her mom was across the street and saw the whole thing.
I'm not saying all persons using do these things but the bottom line is the use of it distorts your perception of reality. Alcohol does the same thing. With all the problems we have with alcohol how would the legalization of any other substance be of benefit to society as a whole? I don't have a fix all answer but what I've seen drugs do to lives I would never entertain the thought of legalization.
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I completely agree that driving under the influence of anything, even lack of sleep, is a selfish and foolish decision to make, though I have been guilty of it myself on occasions. There is no valid argument that anyone can make that says driving when not completely in control of your faculties is a good idea. I've seen a family of three swept off the street by a drunk driver and it was the faces of the injured children that stick with me. They remind me constantly not to take any chance with other people's lives.
It doesn't matter what substances do what to our bodies, when driving on public roads we should be T-total and anything else is unacceptable. That would be an ideal world.
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All due respect. I spent 26 years as an LEO in a major city. I've seen homicides, traffic fatalities, rapes, ....all other assorted crimes where the offender used marijuana. Among the common excuses I heard from the suspects I interviewed...I didn't know what I was doing, I was high. This was from a guy I arrested after he raced past an unloading school bus at 60 mph in his pickup. The 10 year old he hit was knocked 80 feet from point of impact. I live with the thought of seeing her in the morgue every once and a while on certain days of the year. BTW her mom was across the street and saw the whole thing.
I'm not saying all persons using do these things but the bottom line is the use of it distorts your perception of reality. Alcohol does the same thing. With all the problems we have with alcohol how would the legalization of any other substance be of benefit to society as a whole? I don't have a fix all answer but what I've seen drugs do to lives I would never entertain the thought of legalization.
I absolutely believe you.....I lived with the type of scum you are talking about....thats a bit different then just seeing what they do on the streets....I also have seen all those things....up close.....
they didn't do those things because they were smoking.....or should I say the pot didn't make them do it.....
they did them because
A...they are idiots
B...They do not care about anyone but them selves
C...they are straight up scumbags
D...all the above
I would get into why I know pot helps....but it is a long drawn out story.....I touched base on it getting rid of my dreams, but that is just the tip of the iceberg....
I have a very severe case of PTSD...... pot has helped me in so many ways.......to curb that.
very minimal side effects compared to the huge help it has given.
and I don't "need" it to this day..after 33 years of use......I can go without and NOT get any type of physical withdrawals....
except the constant jackhammer negative thoughts...the bad dreams....the paranoia all comes back.
see anybody who isn't a sheep knows the big pharmaceuticals have one thing on their minds...and that is money.....
they don't want to cure us....they want to treat us....so they have thousands of different type of meds....most of them the side effects are worse then what you are trying to help....
ya...no thanx...ill stick with what GOD made for us Thank you very much. :salute
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ok I am stepping back...
Bodhi sorry for insulting you....its not called for and is wrong of me.... :salute
its ok that we have different opinions....
I do want to say you cant believe everything you read....one of those "studies" says you can OD on 15grams.....
trust me when I say...you can not OD on any amount of pot. That is fact.
many "studies" have agendas, I am not the kind of person who believes what he reads or hears unless he knows the source of the information...and even then I question it.
anyways Truly Bodhi....I was wrong to insult you. :salute
ink, weed does help some people with some problems. I have no doubt that I would be taking less pain killers due to my back if i could smoke some and not get fired from my job. and not talking about smoking a join before I go to work but smoking perhaps when i get off and not smoke the morning before i go in.
but it's a trade off. pain killers are messing up with my liver. already spent 2 months off work a year ago due to liver problems. weed will give my liver a break, but at the cost of perhaps messing up with my lungs. I am not naive to think that weed wont cause other problems. but I wish it was up to me to make the decision. my work follows the osha fed rules of no illegal drugs whatsoever. at the same time, i sometimes show up at work "not in the best shape" due to pain killers. to me it's stupid to think that legal drugs are better than "weed' just because the law says so. that is dumb.
weed does help a lot of people, i have no doubt about that. but it also affects you in other ways. :salute
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All due respect. I spent 26 years as an LEO in a major city. I've seen homicides, traffic fatalities, rapes, ....all other assorted crimes where the offender used marijuana. Among the common excuses I heard from the suspects I interviewed...I didn't know what I was doing, I was high. This was from a guy I arrested after he raced past an unloading school bus at 60 mph in his pickup. The 10 year old he hit was knocked 80 feet from point of impact. I live with the thought of seeing her in the morgue every once and a while on certain days of the year. BTW her mom was across the street and saw the whole thing.
I'm not saying all persons using do these things but the bottom line is the use of it distorts your perception of reality. Alcohol does the same thing. With all the problems we have with alcohol how would the legalization of any other substance be of benefit to society as a whole? I don't have a fix all answer but what I've seen drugs do to lives I would never entertain the thought of legalization.
I respect what you have been through and seen, but pot is not responsible for that.
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Lab studies have shown that driving stoned is just as risky as driving drunk. But I guess we'll take your word for it instead :devil
Have you not been around both? One does not need a "study." The mere fact that anyone needed a study to compare the two suggests an agenda geared toward an outcome...
Morf stated it very well a few pages back.
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I sure hope some of the money colorodo makes on this will go to drug addiction clinics. They will be overflowing in a few years when the wild weed developers achieve full addictive properties to maximize sells.
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All due respect. I spent 26 years as an LEO in a major city. I've seen homicides, traffic fatalities, rapes, ....all other assorted crimes where the offender used marijuana. Among the common excuses I heard from the suspects I interviewed...I didn't know what I was doing, I was high. This was from a guy I arrested after he raced past an unloading school bus at 60 mph in his pickup. The 10 year old he hit was knocked 80 feet from point of impact. I live with the thought of seeing her in the morgue every once and a while on certain days of the year. BTW her mom was across the street and saw the whole thing.
I'm not saying all persons using do these things but the bottom line is the use of it distorts your perception of reality. Alcohol does the same thing. With all the problems we have with alcohol how would the legalization of any other substance be of benefit to society as a whole? I don't have a fix all answer but what I've seen drugs do to lives I would never entertain the thought of legalization.
So have I. Well longer actually. I cant point to any violent crime where weed was the , even contributing, factor. Of course car accidents, I dont think anyone can really argue it impairs your motor skills and coordination. But even there i cant remember one where weed alone caused it. Everyone, and im talking probably hundreds/thousands had alcohol involved to. Violent crimes happen just because the offender is an A-hole. I wouldnt even place the blame for them on alcohol.
The natures of the two drugs are different. Booze makes people reckless and violent where'as weed does not. As far as im concerned if an adult is smoking weed in the privacy of his own house its none of our business. At most its between him and his doctor.
Over the years this entire Drug War thing has turned me off both with its futility and the way its being waged. First off we have no business being at "War" with our own citizens in the first place. Call it a "War" and the Police will start acting like its a "War". Constitutional corners will be cut, rights will be violated, people will get hurt in BS warrants and take downs over trivial amounts. And worse of all the numbers game kicks in where bosses want BS numbers to take the heat off them and nobody has the patience for quality investigations. Many units dont even have the skills for them anymore cause they have spent their careers making BS street busts over chicken crap amounts.
Ive worked housing projects that are nothing less then individual narco-states with their own govt's, economies, armies, hit squads. We couldnt go around them, at least without our own army, due to their high power weaponry and willingness to use it, "which forced me to do a belly crawl under a hood a few times". To think a drug as innocuous as weed is helping fuel the violence, money, and power of these cartels is ridiculous. The drug war itself has become an industry all its own. The powers that be dont want to change nothing because it generates money and power for them, just as mindless enforcement generates money and power for the cartels by keeping prices high. The demand itself will always be there.
Its time for a new way of thinking. Im up to my neck with the BS after 30+ years in the cop business and the futility and corruption of the drug war is a big part of that BS. And the sad fact is a country-wide legalization of weed wont change ANYTHING for the worse and wont even increase the numbers of people smoking it. Work places will still test and kids wont get it any easier then they do today. The tax payer will get a big break because instead of funding a endless and futile war on weed they will instead get the benefit of a new taxable income stream. The only losers will be the cartels and the Law Enforcement machinery that has become bloated and fat with this so called 'War". And these units can be better aimed at the truly destructive drugs and their interdiction.
I have no personal stake in any of this. I'll never smoke it, my kid is in the military and he will never smoke it. My wife has never smoked it. I just dont buy the official party line anymore, not after swimming in their BS all these decades. And my common sense tells me the Police have no business in the private use of weed, in private homes, business.Criminalizing that type of usage is little more then a scare tactic used by these clowns to get elected. And to stay on the public tittie.
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huh huh ... he said tittie ... huh huh
well said rich. :salute :bolt:
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I sure hope some of the money colorodo makes on this will go to drug addiction clinics. They will be overflowing in a few years when the wild weed developers achieve full addictive properties to maximize sells.
everything is not always as it seems
http://www.thedailychronic.net/2013/24657/lessons-from-the-netherlands-for-marijuana-legalization-in-the-us/
A new report from the Open Society Global Drug Policy Program lays out what Dutch policymakers have done and how they have fared. Authored by social scientists Jean-Paul Grund and Joost Breeksema of the Addiction Research Center in Utrecht, the report, Coffee Shops and Compromise: Separated Illicit Drug Markets in the Netherlands tells the history of the Dutch approach and describes the ongoing success of the country’s drug policy.
This includes the separation of the more prevalent marijuana market from hard drug dealers. In the Netherlands, only 14% of cannabis users say they can get other drugs from their sources for cannabis. By contrast in Sweden, for example, 52% of cannabis users report that other drugs are available from cannabis dealers. That separation of hard and soft drug markets has limited Dutch exposure to drugs like heroin and crack cocaine and led to Holland having the lowest number of problem drug users in the European Union, the report found.
Pragmatic Dutch drug policies have not been limited to marijuana. The Netherlands has been a pioneer in harm reduction measures, such as needle exchanges and safe consumption sites, has made drug treatment easy to access, and has decriminalized the possession of small quantities of all drugs. As a result, in addition to having the lowest number of problem drug users, Holland has virtually wiped out new HIV infections among injection drug users. And, because of decriminalization, Dutch citizens have been spared the burden of criminal records for low-level, nonviolent offenses.
The Dutch have, for example, virtually eliminated marijuana possession arrests. According to figures cited in the report, in a typical recent year, Dutch police arrested people for pot at a rate of 19 per 100,0000, while rates in the US and other European countries were 10 times that or more.
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or this story here from http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/12/26/portugals-drug-policy-pays-eyes-lessons/
LISBON, Portugal – These days, Casal Ventoso is an ordinary blue-collar community — mothers push baby strollers, men smoke outside cafes, buses chug up and down the cobbled main street.
Ten years ago, the Lisbon neighborhood was a hellhole, a "drug supermarket" where some 5,000 users lined up every day to buy heroin and sneak into a hillside honeycomb of derelict housing to shoot up. In dark, stinking corners, addicts — some with maggots squirming under track marks — staggered between the occasional corpse, scavenging used, bloody needles.
At that time, Portugal, like the junkies of Casal Ventoso, had hit rock bottom: An estimated 100,000 people — an astonishing 1 percent of its population — were addicted to illegal drugs. So, like anyone with little to lose, the Portuguese took a risky leap: They decriminalized the use of all drugs in a groundbreaking law in 2000.
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Ink, It's all good, I don't take it personally, I apologize if I insulted you as well. Everyone has an opinion on weed. Mine focuses more on the limited data available and the absolute chaos of the so called war on drugs. I support the medical use of marijuana 100%. In my eyes, it is better than the narcotics that are being prescribed and are horrifically addictive. That said, there are health risks for both sides that many are not willing to admit or even concede that they exist.
As for the war on drugs, I agree with Rich. The focus needs to be on the truly hard core stuff and less on the recreational pot smoker. IE. not a war on citizen but a war on producers, trafficers, and distributors. I really do not have any use for the meth dealers/manufacturers nor those peddling heroin and a host of other hardcore products. They are peddling death, pure and simple.
Legalization of any drug needs to be examined closely and the ramifications need to be thought out to include triggers if certain milestones are or are not met.
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ink, weed does help some people with some problems. I have no doubt that I would be taking less pain killers due to my back if i could smoke some and not get fired from my job. and not talking about smoking a join before I go to work but smoking perhaps when i get off and not smoke the morning before i go in.
but it's a trade off. pain killers are messing up with my liver. already spent 2 months off work a year ago due to liver problems. weed will give my liver a break, but at the cost of perhaps messing up with my lungs. I am not naive to think that weed wont cause other problems. but I wish it was up to me to make the decision. my work follows the osha fed rules of no illegal drugs whatsoever. at the same time, i sometimes show up at work "not in the best shape" due to pain killers. to me it's stupid to think that legal drugs are better than "weed' just because the law says so. that is dumb.
weed does help a lot of people, i have no doubt about that. but it also affects you in other ways. :salute
semp
ya man it sux....I hope things change....sadly though I think its just gonna get worse.
So have I. Well longer actually. I cant point to any violent crime where weed was the , even contributing, factor. Of course car accidents, I dont think anyone can really argue it impairs your motor skills and coordination. But even there i cant remember one where weed alone caused it. Everyone, and im talking probably hundreds/thousands had alcohol involved to. Violent crimes happen just because the offender is an A-hole. I wouldnt even place the blame for them on alcohol.
The natures of the two drugs are different. Booze makes people reckless and violent where'as weed does not. As far as im concerned if an adult is smoking weed in the privacy of his own house its none of our business. At most its between him and his doctor.
Over the years this entire Drug War thing has turned me off both with its futility and the way its being waged. First off we have no business being at "War" with our own citizens in the first place. Call it a "War" and the Police will start acting like its a "War". Constitutional corners will be cut, rights will be violated, people will get hurt in BS warrants and take downs over trivial amounts. And worse of all the numbers game kicks in where bosses want BS numbers to take the heat off them and nobody has the patience for quality investigations. Many units dont even have the skills for them anymore cause they have spent their careers making BS street busts over chicken crap amounts.
Ive worked housing projects that are nothing less then individual narco-states with their own govt's, economies, armies, hit squads. We couldnt go around them, at least without our own army, due to their high power weaponry and willingness to use it, "which forced me to do a belly crawl under a hood a few times". To think a drug as innocuous as weed is helping fuel the violence, money, and power of these cartels is ridiculous. The drug war itself has become an industry all its own. The powers that be dont want to change nothing because it generates money and power for them, just as mindless enforcement generates money and power for the cartels by keeping prices high. The demand itself will always be there.
Its time for a new way of thinking. Im up to my neck with the BS after 30+ years in the cop business and the futility and corruption of the drug war is a big part of that BS. And the sad fact is a country-wide legalization of weed wont change ANYTHING for the worse and wont even increase the numbers of people smoking it. Work places will still test and kids wont get it any easier then they do today. The tax payer will get a big break because instead of funding a endless and futile war on weed they will instead get the benefit of a new taxable income stream. The only losers will be the cartels and the Law Enforcement machinery that has become bloated and fat with this so called 'War". And these units can be better aimed at the truly destructive drugs and their interdiction.
I have no personal stake in any of this. I'll never smoke it, my kid is in the military and he will never smoke it. My wife has never smoked it. I just dont buy the official party line anymore, not after swimming in their BS all these decades. And my common sense tells me the Police have no business in the private use of weed, in private homes, business.Criminalizing that type of usage is little more then a scare tactic used by these clowns to get elected. And to stay on the public tittie.
nice write up.....and spot on. :aok
Ink, It's all good, I don't take it personally, I apologize if I insulted you as well. Everyone has an opinion on weed. Mine focuses more on the limited data available and the absolute chaos of the so called war on drugs. I support the medical use of marijuana 100%. In my eyes, it is better than the narcotics that are being prescribed and are horrifically addictive. That said, there are health risks for both sides that many are not willing to admit or even concede that they exist.
As for the war on drugs, I agree with Rich. The focus needs to be on the truly hard core stuff and less on the recreational pot smoker. IE. not a war on citizen but a war on producers, trafficers, and distributors. I really do not have any use for the meth dealers/manufacturers nor those peddling heroin and a host of other hardcore products. They are peddling death, pure and simple.
Legalization of any drug needs to be examined closely and the ramifications need to be thought out to include triggers if certain milestones are or are not met.
:salute
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So have I. Well longer actually. I cant point to any violent crime where weed was the , even contributing, factor. Of course car accidents, I dont think anyone can really argue it impairs your motor skills and coordination. But even there i cant remember one where weed alone caused it. Everyone, and im talking probably hundreds/thousands had alcohol involved to. Violent crimes happen just because the offender is an A-hole. I wouldnt even place the blame for them on alcohol.
The natures of the two drugs are different. Booze makes people reckless and violent where'as weed does not. As far as im concerned if an adult is smoking weed in the privacy of his own house its none of our business. At most its between him and his doctor.
Over the years this entire Drug War thing has turned me off both with its futility and the way its being waged. First off we have no business being at "War" with our own citizens in the first place. Call it a "War" and the Police will start acting like its a "War". Constitutional corners will be cut, rights will be violated, people will get hurt in BS warrants and take downs over trivial amounts. And worse of all the numbers game kicks in where bosses want BS numbers to take the heat off them and nobody has the patience for quality investigations. Many units dont even have the skills for them anymore cause they have spent their careers making BS street busts over chicken crap amounts.
Ive worked housing projects that are nothing less then individual narco-states with their own govt's, economies, armies, hit squads. We couldnt go around them, at least without our own army, due to their high power weaponry and willingness to use it, "which forced me to do a belly crawl under a hood a few times". To think a drug as innocuous as weed is helping fuel the violence, money, and power of these cartels is ridiculous. The drug war itself has become an industry all its own. The powers that be dont want to change nothing because it generates money and power for them, just as mindless enforcement generates money and power for the cartels by keeping prices high. The demand itself will always be there.
Its time for a new way of thinking. Im up to my neck with the BS after 30+ years in the cop business and the futility and corruption of the drug war is a big part of that BS. And the sad fact is a country-wide legalization of weed wont change ANYTHING for the worse and wont even increase the numbers of people smoking it. Work places will still test and kids wont get it any easier then they do today. The tax payer will get a big break because instead of funding a endless and futile war on weed they will instead get the benefit of a new taxable income stream. The only losers will be the cartels and the Law Enforcement machinery that has become bloated and fat with this so called 'War". And these units can be better aimed at the truly destructive drugs and their interdiction.
I have no personal stake in any of this. I'll never smoke it, my kid is in the military and he will never smoke it. My wife has never smoked it. I just dont buy the official party line anymore, not after swimming in their BS all these decades. And my common sense tells me the Police have no business in the private use of weed, in private homes, business.Criminalizing that type of usage is little more then a scare tactic used by these clowns to get elected. And to stay on the public tittie.
Very well written no bs assesment sir :cheers:
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Is it true that Swiss banks hold billions in drug money?
These drugs cost pennies to make?
In China they put a gun to dealers heads after a 3 minute hearing :salute
They tested opium on the British factory workers before using it on the Chinese :)
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All due respect. I spent 26 years as an LEO in a major city. I've seen homicides, traffic fatalities, rapes, ....all other assorted crimes where the offender used marijuana. Among the common excuses I heard from the suspects I interviewed...I didn't know what I was doing, I was high. This was from a guy I arrested after he raced past an unloading school bus at 60 mph in his pickup. The 10 year old he hit was knocked 80 feet from point of impact. I live with the thought of seeing her in the morgue every once and a while on certain days of the year. BTW her mom was across the street and saw the whole thing.
I'm not saying all persons using do these things but the bottom line is the use of it distorts your perception of reality. Alcohol does the same thing. With all the problems we have with alcohol how would the legalization of any other substance be of benefit to society as a whole? I don't have a fix all answer but what I've seen drugs do to lives I would never entertain the thought of legalization.
Marijuana has never hurt anyone. If you're a cop, and you honestly believe someone when they tell you " I didn't know what i was doing" in the context of Marijuana, you need to smoke some weed and find out what's really going on. Marijuana cuts through all the BS, and gives you clarity if you use it to focus in on a specific issues with your life, or the world in general. That's why so many writers, and creative people smoke. A lot of dumb people use Marijuana, those people are going to be stupid with or without weed in the picture.
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Marijuana has never hurt anyone. If you're a cop, and you honestly believe someone when they tell you " I didn't know what i was doing" in the context of Marijuana, you need to smoke some weed and find out what's really going on. Marijuana cuts through all the BS, and gives you clarity if you use it to focus in on a specific issues with your life, or the world in general. That's why so many writers, and creative people smoke. A lot of dumb people use Marijuana, those people are going to be stupid with or without weed in the picture.
Depends on the strain. (http://www.sherv.net/cm/emo/smoke/smileys-passing-joint.gif)
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Is it true that Swiss banks hold billions in drug money?
These drugs cost pennies to make?
Yes Zack this is true! It would cost about 3 to 5 dollars per day per junkie! Compare that to the 300 to 600 on average it cost them on the street!
Take a close look at my avatar,at one time you could get the Sears,Robuck catalog out and order whatever you wanted,complete with the needles included.
Most dont know but asprin and heroin were discovered the same year by the same company.
I'm fortunate enough to live where they allow a Rx for weed,yes I have 1 to help with a severe cronic pain condition,I also take that evil narcotic morphine. I wish I didnt have to take the morphine but I cant function without it. Of course they tried everything under the sun before they gave me the narcotic,trust me there are much worse drugs than most narcotics. You wont have a problem with them if you take them for pain,if you choose to get stoned on them ,well all bets are off and good luck dealing with that!
Longterm study,I'm they guy they write about.... I've been used as a sort of poster boy on how "not" to get introuble taking pain meds.
Like I said we need to take the profit out of vices,we will never get rid of vices we can only choose how to deal with them and making criminals out of people hasnt been working all that well,atleast not for the past 70 or 80 years.
:salute
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Most of the morons who screwed up big while stoned on weed were already morons long before they took a toke.
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By that argument, those that don't use weed are on average smarter than the those that do?
I'm not making either argument, either for or against, but you can't throw out blanket statements like that.
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Smack heads are generally stupid :old:
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Goodbye weed thread. I will miss you. :cry
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No dab life shirt? Wtf :)
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lol I was rocking the doctor who shirt that day. :cheers:
That pic was taken the day the last matt smith episode aired. :angel:
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I'm just now starting to see people do those dab stuff. What's the difference between said dab and normal pot?
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If you've ever smoked dank then dabs are just a step up. It's a concentrate so obviously it's going to get you blazed real fast.
We call it wax in Seattle but it has many names, Dabs being the most well known.
If you have never smoked weed and you start by doing dabs, it will be like (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-sex011.gif) a girl for the first time.
Life changing. But like everything you will build a tolerance. Dabs are enjoyable because they last longer then smoking, you don't have to deal with the odor from the burning of weed either.
If you have access to high grade medical marijuana then your not really missing out on anything.
I eat weed brownies almost every day, my wife makes them.. even though she has never smoked pot! haha…
we use a product called Cannabutter and it's medical grade. The dab's hit about the same as the skunk brownies she can make.
If you've never seen it, here you go.
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I saw you mentioned that you owned a dispensary. Must be pretty cool job. And the fact that I'm sure you meet a lot of nice people. There's always some bad apples though..
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Here is our website.
www.herb-n-care.com
Only problem I've yet to have with the "bad apples" have been
(1) A homeless man sleeping at our door. He was chill and moved on, so he's off the bad apple list.
(2) some watermelon head through a brick at our window, but bricks won't break our windows. So he moves to the fail list.
:salute
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Here is our website.
www.herb-n-care.com
Only problem I've yet to have with the "bad apples" have been
(1) A homeless man sleeping at our door. He was chill and moved on, so he's off the bad apple list.
(2) some watermelon head through a brick at our window, but bricks won't break our windows. So he moves to the fail list.
:salute
:rofl @ #2
and man I wish I lived closer :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry
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:rofl @ #2
and man I wish I lived closer :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry
You gotta come visit sometime! :cheers: :salute
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would love too....opposite side of the country..... me with 5 kids at home...probably not gonna happen anytime soon... :(
cool website :salute
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would love too....opposite side of the country..... me with 5 kids at home...probably not gonna happen anytime soon... :(
cool website :salute
Thanks!
Hey one day far away the kids will be gone and you'll probably look like Gandalf with all that hair, and we can get high and reminisce about that game called Aces High. :cheers:
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:rofl
dead on :rock
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Thanks!
Hey one day far away the kids will be gone and you'll probably look like Gandalf with all that hair, and we can get high and reminisce about that game called Aces High. :cheers:
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(http://i.imgur.com/knYL5zb.jpg)
:rofl :aok
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Thanks!
Hey one day far away the kids will be gone and you'll probably look like Gandalf with all that hair, and we can get high and reminisce about that game called Aces High. :cheers:
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(http://i.imgur.com/knYL5zb.jpg)
:rofl
Longbottom leaf FTW!
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That draw of herbal remidies is very very tidy in my opinion :old:
Too tidy in fact :cry
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It should read,
"While I don't always smoke leaf, I do like the pole."
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I saw on the news that our state may be bringing a bill up to the capital or something..
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I saw on the news that our state may be bringing a bill up to the capital or something..
pffft. mother always said "never trust the government"
if you dont know about wax check this out. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlumzhZm80A
Apparently they are extracting the "essential oils" with butane. :uhoh doesnt sound like marleys natural ganja anymore but i hear it does the trick.
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Yeah I heard about that lol. I guess if you really want to get that high might aswell try it.
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While I won't promote driving stoned (or drunk), field sobriety tests are BS, half the time, a sober person can't pass them...
My fav being "say the alphabet backwards quickly", or rerunning the follow-the-pen test over and over until they get the result they want.
The real test is the blood test, all else is BS.
As for piss tests and weed, its bunk, because piss tests only say that a person has used it within a large time window (usually weeks), and not if the user was currently high when driving etc...
unfortunately, we are more concerned with putting people away than using logic... but no surprise there.
PS I have never gotten a DUI but I have gone through the process due to over-zealous cops.
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I'm not quite sure how you get away with falsifying 1,000 DUI's. None of those defendants must have hired a good defense investigator.
shamus
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I'm not quite sure how you get away with falsifying 1,000 DUI's. None of those defendants must have hired a good defense investigator.
shamus
It's Utah.
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haha true.
I went to St. George Utah for rock climbing with a guide and he introduced me to (http://i.imgur.com/us6xxwq.jpg?1)
Cracked me up, wasn't half bad either.
Pic's from St. George.
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I knew it.......Bluberry is Spiderman!!! :D