OK, lets play your foolish little game. In your fantasy world HTC perks all of those planes on average 10 perks. This becomes the top ten using the same your stats assuming Nobody flies a newly perked plane.
1) FM2 2) Spit 9 3) 109K4 4) F6F-5 5) A6M5b 6) P38L 7) Spit8 8) F4U-1D 9) 190A5 10) Tiffy (Temp was next but it is already perked )
Except the "old timers"/"veterans" have a ton of perks and can fly anything they want and so with better skill and better planes wipes out anyone stuck in the group of "top ten".
How is that good for the game? Even wiping the slates clean the vets will build perk points far quicker that anyone else and in a couple of weeks be back to flying what ever they want pouching the "little guy" all over again.
Title: Re: Stats of top 10 planes from last Tour
Post by: thrila on September 09, 2017, 09:56:59 AM
I say we perk the top 20. This way the spit 14 will finally dominate the MA as the doomsayers claimed it would prior to being unperked. :devil
Title: Re: Stats of top 10 planes from last Tour
Post by: nugetx on September 09, 2017, 11:23:14 AM
How is that good for the game? Even wiping the slates clean the vets will build perk points far quicker that anyone else and in a couple of weeks be back to flying what ever they want pouching the "little guy" all over again.
The same as having 262 163 and Tempest with perks currently, you don't see everyone flying a 262 or Tempest. Those plane characteristics are better than other planes, that's why they have perks, they have perks because they unbalance the game. Late war planes unbalance the game compared to mid war and early war planes. Mid war planes unbalance the game compared to early war planes. Late war planes are better than mid war planes, mid war planes are better than early war planes (faster, better climb, more guns, higher calibre, better energy retention etc). That is why everyone is flying late war planes, because they are 'the best' without a cost, so everyone is able to fly them (you don't see 262 163 and Tempest very often and that is how it should be with late war planes and mid war planes, you should see them more than 262 but not as much as we currently do) Idealy it would be best if all the planes were perked starting from early war planes and you would be accumulating points for the higher tier planes,once you unlock a better plane you get a few uses of it and while you have your uses you retain the points so you can move forward to the 262, the later war plane the less uses and if you use up your uses of the plane the points get reset and you go again from early war plane. Seeing how the 'old' subscribers feel about this here I doubt it will ever happen. I'm not here to fly two planes, and if I take a i-16 I have no realistic chances against all the late war planes. Some say that they fly other planes, numbers and facts don't lie, people fly what is in the top 10 list - late war planes because they are 'the best'.
Title: Re: Stats of top 10 planes from last Tour
Post by: TWCAxew on September 09, 2017, 11:32:31 AM
I was able to farm a 262 in 3 days in a p47-D11. perks don't mean a thing to an experienced players. nooks on the otherhand will get hurt by only able to fly a brewster...
Title: Re: Stats of top 10 planes from last Tour
Post by: nugetx on September 09, 2017, 11:36:57 AM
Mhm, and if other planes were perked also there would far less of them in the arena like 262 and more of earlier planes.
You are forgetting that if poeple will be flying brewster, other people will also be in brewsters, and there will be less 190 d9 yak 3 la7 - better chances for every brewster, i16, p40n etc
Title: Re: Stats of top 10 planes from last Tour
Post by: Zoney on September 09, 2017, 11:46:27 AM
Mhm, and if other planes were perked also there would far less of them in the arena like 262 and more of earlier planes.
You are forgetting that if poeple will be flying brewster, other people will also be in brewsters, and there will be less 190 d9 yak 3 la7 - better chances for every brewster, i16, p40n etc
Awesome!
I'm soooo glad you are here playing. I think it's really cool that you are able to absolutely separate what you personally want with what is truly good for the game with all your absolutely wonderful suggestions.
You've truly joined the community and that makes me very happy.
Maybe you could do just one more little thing for me.
Tell us you handle, the name you fly under. There is nothing to hide, nothing to be scared of, I'm not asking for your birth date and social security number. If you have already said what your name is, I apologize, I know I've asked you a half dozen times but don't ever remember you responding.
Title: Re: Stats of top 10 planes from last Tour
Post by: FLS on September 09, 2017, 11:52:35 AM
Hi, these are stats from last tour from last month, I've ordered them by planes used the most with most kills, no surprise there. ...
You forgot to explain why that's a bad thing.
By the way I suspect my local grocery store doesn't sell the same amount of each flavor of ice cream. They should charge more for the popular flavors to fix that. :noid
Title: Re: Stats of top 10 planes from last Tour
Post by: Zoney on September 09, 2017, 11:56:19 AM
By the way I suspect my local grocery store doesn't sell the same amount of each flavor of ice cream. They should charge more for the popular flavors to fix that. :noid
And vanilla should be free!
Title: Re: Stats of top 10 planes from last Tour
Post by: nugetx on September 09, 2017, 11:56:51 AM
Late war planes unbalance the game compared to mid war and early war planes. Mid war planes unbalance the game compared to early war planes. Late war planes are better than mid war planes, mid war planes are better than early war planes (faster, better climb, more guns, higher calibre, better energy retention etc). That is why everyone is flying late war planes, because they are 'the best' without a cost, so everyone is able to fly them (you don't see 262 163 and Tempest very often and that is how it should be with late war planes and mid war planes, you should see them more than 262 but not as much as we currently do) Idealy it would be best if all the planes were perked starting from early war planes and you would be accumulating points for the higher tier planes,once you unlock a better plane you get a few uses of it and while you have your uses you retain the points so you can move forward to the 262, the later war plane the less uses and if you use up your uses of the plane the points get reset and you go again from early war plane. Seeing how the 'old' subscribers feel about this here I doubt it will ever happen. I'm not here to fly two planes, and if I take a i-16 I have no realistic chances against all the late war planes. Some say that they fly other planes, numbers and facts don't lie, people fly what is in the top 10 list - late war planes because they are 'the best'.
Title: Re: Stats of top 10 planes from last Tour
Post by: FLS on September 09, 2017, 12:05:07 PM
You make a lot of false statements, unsupported assertions, and seem unaware of your own assumptions.
If you want a fair equal fight you duel somebody in the same plane, same loadout, same altitude.
Let me know when you want to do that. :D
Title: Re: Stats of top 10 planes from last Tour
Post by: TWCAxew on September 09, 2017, 12:06:38 PM
Mhm, and if other planes were perked also there would far less of them in the arena like 262 and more of earlier planes.
You are forgetting that if poeple will be flying brewster, other people will also be in brewsters, and there will be less 190 d9 yak 3 la7 - better chances for every brewster, i16, p40n etc
no I'm saying I am flying a 262 against a hundred brewster. at least a pony or a merrie is able to catch me in a dive
Title: Re: Stats of top 10 planes from last Tour
Post by: waystin2 on September 09, 2017, 12:55:01 PM
Here we are again talking about something that the owner of the game has said is not going to happen. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Stats of top 10 planes from last Tour
Post by: Lusche on September 09, 2017, 01:07:29 PM
Title: Re: Stats of top 10 planes from last Tour
Post by: caldera on September 09, 2017, 01:18:26 PM
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I'm not here to fly two planes, and if I take a i-16 I have no realistic chances against all the late war planes. Some say that they fly other planes, numbers and facts don't lie, people fly what is in the top 10 list - late war planes because they are 'the best'.
As far as we know and despite your incessant attempts to change the game, you don't even play. What is your game id?
ps: people do fly other planes, or didn't you check all the "numbers and facts"?
Title: Re: Stats of top 10 planes from last Tour
Post by: nugetx on September 09, 2017, 01:27:50 PM
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If you want a fair equal fight you duel somebody in the same plane, same loadout, same altitude.
Which you will never meet anyone at same altitude, someone will always be higher or lower, he will not have same loadout, what you speak of is not realistic gameplay.
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no I'm saying I am flying a 262 against a hundred brewster. at least a pony or a merrie is able to catch me in a dive
And that pony or merry would catch you just like it is now, what's the problem? Instead of 100 ponys and 5 brewster there would be 40 ponys and 60 brewster.
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you don't even play
I do play.
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people do fly other planes, or didn't you check all the "numbers and facts"?
Numbers and statistics show that 90% of planes on arena are late war planes. People might take other plane from time to time but that would 10%.
Title: Re: Stats of top 10 planes from last Tour
Post by: FLS on September 09, 2017, 01:37:06 PM
Which you will never meet anyone at same altitude, someone will always be higher or lower, he will not have same loadout, what you speak of is not realistic gameplay. ....
How would perking anything make for realistic game play? It only limits what newbies can do, the players least likely to be successful in unperked aircraft. You don't make sense.
Dueling is the only time you can expect any kind of fair match up. If you want realistic game play fly in a scenario.
Title: Re: Stats of top 10 planes from last Tour
Post by: nugetx on September 09, 2017, 01:41:15 PM
It only limits what newbies can do, the players least likely to be successful in unperked aircraft. You don't make sense.
No it does not, because other people will fly also early and mid war planes. There will be less late war planes, so newbies in an early mid plane will be facing other early and mid war planes instead of only flighting vs late war planes.
Title: Re: Stats of top 10 planes from last Tour
Post by: Drano on September 09, 2017, 01:43:06 PM
Heck I'm just glad the P-38L is apparently not the world crushing late war monster he told us it was! I can sleep at night now!
Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk
Title: Re: Stats of top 10 planes from last Tour
Post by: DH367th on September 09, 2017, 01:57:27 PM
:bhead
Title: Re: Stats of top 10 planes from last Tour
Post by: FLS on September 09, 2017, 02:11:58 PM
No it does not, because other people will fly also early and mid war planes. There will be less late war planes, so newbies in an early mid plane will be facing other early and mid war planes instead of only flighting vs late war planes.
You just made that up. Imagining things does not make a convincing argument.
Vets accumulate perks without trying. Adding perk planes just makes it harder for newbies.
Try training.
Title: Re: Stats of top 10 planes from last Tour
Post by: nrshida on September 09, 2017, 02:25:00 PM
Title: Re: Stats of top 10 planes from last Tour
Post by: TequilaChaser on September 09, 2017, 02:31:53 PM
Y'all keep asking for his gameid (if he has one)
Threads/posts like this is why I had wished that when a player registers a new online account that they also at the same time should have to register for the AH message boards having their gameid tied to it...to where it shows up in a AH message boards user name profile...and if they change their gameid, the new one is added....
TC
Title: Re: Stats of top 10 planes from last Tour
Post by: AAIK on September 09, 2017, 02:37:26 PM
Nug, I think you are going on the wrong direction here. How about instead of limiting things, you open them up a bit:
I.E: Remove perks for 262/tempest/b29/etc and only allow them to be upped at the rearmost fields.
That way, it requires some time investment, but makes it more accessible for newbies.
This is just an example of course and not something that has been completely planned out (I wouldn't know how to do that anyways). Who knows that kind of mayhem could arise from such a setup.
Title: Re: Stats of top 10 planes from last Tour
Post by: FLS on September 09, 2017, 02:41:13 PM
I'll disagree again TC. :salute
Discuss the idea not the poster.
Title: Re: Stats of top 10 planes from last Tour
Post by: haggerty on September 09, 2017, 02:43:16 PM
I seem to remember in Air Warrior 2 or 3, for the Axis vs Allies server your team had a limited number of certain planes and once you lost them you couldnt up them anymore. I still remember an instance I was using a 262 and I had to go somewhere for a few hours. I just sat on the runway at a rear field and when I came back my team had long been at 0 available 262...I was able to own the skies for the rest of the night. It would be interesting if there was a daily limit on certain planes by player instead of team, I don't imagine that will ever happen as some one plane wonders would be extremely pissed if they couldn't lose more than two P51D's a day. I've thought about doing a month were I only get one planes of each type, if I die in the plane I cant fly it the rest of the month.
Title: Re: Stats of top 10 planes from last Tour
Post by: Lusche on September 09, 2017, 02:44:31 PM
Nug, I think you are going on the wrong direction here. How about instead of limiting things, you open them up a bit:
I.E: Remove perks for 262/tempest/b29/etc and only allow them to be upped at the rearmost fields.
That way, it requires some time investment, but makes it more accessible for newbies.
This is just an example of course and not something that has been completely planned out (I wouldn't know how to do that anyways). Who knows that kind of mayhem could arise from such a setup.
Your idea limits what players with perks can currently do.
Consider that there may not be a good example of a bad idea.
Title: Re: Stats of top 10 planes from last Tour
Post by: AAIK on September 09, 2017, 02:47:33 PM
Your idea limits what players with perks can currently do.
Consider that there may not be a good example of a bad idea.
Hmm, didn't think of that.
I guess its *less* limiting I suppose.
Do you have any additions to this convo that may be better? I am sure there is someone out there with a really good idea that just hasn't been written down yet.
Title: Re: Stats of top 10 planes from last Tour
Post by: Lusche on September 09, 2017, 02:48:45 PM
Do you have any additions to this convo that may be better? I am sure there is someone out there with a really good idea that just hasn't been written down yet.
My idea is have a discussion forum where anyone can post their ideas about the game. :aok
My specific suggestion for the OP is get some training and learn to fly and fight.
Title: Re: Stats of top 10 planes from last Tour
Post by: TequilaChaser on September 09, 2017, 02:51:38 PM
I in the past had made the wish.... It has really nothing to do with the poster, my original wishing had more to do regarding Training request being made, being one of the main reasons... Another reason being that it has been said for years that only about 10% of the player base actually participate on the AH community message boards...there are a few more different reasons...but wanted to explain my reasoning for the wish....
It is not to single out a person or player....
~S~
TC
Title: Re: Stats of top 10 planes from last Tour
Post by: FLS on September 09, 2017, 03:07:10 PM
TC the only thing it does is single out the user. Your reasons are why you want the information. They don't change the potential for abusing the player for not agreeing with the bullies.
Title: Re: Stats of top 10 planes from last Tour
Post by: Zoney on September 09, 2017, 03:13:04 PM
Threads/posts like this is why I had wished that when a player registers a new online account that they also at the same time should have to register for the AH message boards having their gameid tied to it...to where it shows up in a AH message boards user name profile...and if they change their gameid, the new one is added....
TC
+1
Title: Re: Stats of top 10 planes from last Tour
Post by: nugetx on September 09, 2017, 03:17:36 PM
So you say the statistics provided by HiTech are wrong?
Lol they are the same statistics, these statistics will be the same at the end of month...... go the the statistics page from this month, the same planes are already taking the spot.
I don't understand how one can argue vs statistics which is mathematics which cannot be wrong. I'm not talking about some ideas which I came up in my head, i'm talking about facts which statistics back up from the aces high main webpage for crying out loud.
1 + 1 = 2 right ?
Title: Re: Stats of top 10 planes from last Tour
Post by: Lusche on September 09, 2017, 03:35:19 PM
Lol they are the same statistics, these statistics will be the same at the end of month...... go the the statistics page from this month, the same planes are already taking the spot.
The webstatistics don't show what players are flying. Your claim is: 90% Late war, 10% Mid- and Early War.
HiTech posted the sortie stats. When I add up the EW & MW planes, I get 40% sorties for them. Not 10%.
But of course you already know that. When HT posted that info in the thread of yours, you fell basically silent for a couple of days. Now you are back, making the same claims out of thin air while completely ignoring the actual data that has been posted.
Late war planes unbalance the game compared to mid war and early war planes. Mid war planes unbalance the game compared to early war planes. Late war planes are better than mid war planes, mid war planes are better than early war planes (faster, better climb, more guns, higher calibre, better energy retention etc). That is why everyone is flying late war planes, because they are 'the best' without a cost, so everyone is able to fly them (you don't see 262 163 and Tempest very often and that is how it should be with late war planes and mid war planes, you should see them more than 262 but not as much as we currently do)
And if you perked all the late war planes everyone would fly mid war planes and those would be the top ten. Nothing will have changed unless you just prefer the mid war plane set and want to make everyone fly mid war. You still haven't explained why arbitrarily forcing everyone to fly mid war planes would be better.
The thing is, for most of its history this game HAD an arena where mid war planes were the standard rides and late war planes were either absent or perked... and people stayed away in droves. The late war arena had literally hundreds of times as many players as the early and mid war arenas did. The main people who showed up in early and mid war were there to farm perks and avoid combat at all costs. The players spoke, and they wanted late war planes. If you prefer something else, that's fine, but who are you to force your preferences on a community that has overwhelmingly chosen something else?
Idealy it would be best if all the planes were perked starting from early war planes and you would be accumulating points for the higher tier planes,once you unlock a better plane you get a few uses of it and while you have your uses you retain the points so you can move forward to the 262, the later war plane the less uses and if you use up your uses of the plane the points get reset and you go again from early war plane.
No, no, no, no, -10,0000 no. The LACK of such a system is why I prefer AH to all the awful pay-to-win "World of" games out there. The perk system is already bad enough. The people with the uber, uber rides are exactly the ones who need them the least, and keeping the points if you land safely means that people fly 262s and Tempests in such a way as to never, ever take the slightest risk of dying (which, with a plane that goes 550mph, is not that hard to do). And I can't think of a better way to ruin any hope of new players sticking with the game than forcing them to fly Ki-43s and I-16s while the veteran players zoom around in jets and other late war monsters.
I wouldn't mind seeing a rolling plane set (but the same for everyone), or maybe a different plane set defined for each map, but again, players have indicated they want the late war planes and there's no good reason to force your or my preferences on everyone else.
If you haven't done so, I'd urge you to try the various historical events which have their own plane set appropriate to the battle being depicted and which are designed with balanced fights in mind.
(On another subject, game IDs, I gave up years ago asking Skuzzy to change my forum account to "Loki". The problem is, you need to register to read the forum, and a lot of people, like i did, want to read the forum and even be able to ask questions before starting their online account, and the parameters for forum account names are less restrictive than the game. When I signed up for this account I had no idea I wouldn't be able to be Crash Orange in the game, and "Crshorng" would just have been unpronounceable. That's why my avatar pic says "Loki" in big red gothic letters, but some people still don't seem to make the connection.)
Title: Re: Stats of top 10 planes from last Tour
Post by: FLS on September 09, 2017, 03:46:19 PM
Lol they are the same statistics, these statistics will be the same at the end of month...... go the the statistics page from this month, the same planes are already taking the spot.
I don't understand how one can argue vs statistics which is mathematics which cannot be wrong. I'm not talking about some ideas which I came up in my head, i'm talking about facts which statistics back up from the aces high main webpage for crying out loud.
1 + 1 = 2 right ?
It doesn't equal perking more planes. There is no good reason to add perks to change the usage statistics.
Title: Re: Stats of top 10 planes from last Tour
Post by: Mongoose on September 09, 2017, 03:47:49 PM
Nugetx, Aces High is the game I want to play. The game you want Aces High to be is not the game that Hitech wants to produce, and it is not the game I want to play. Your suggestions would NOT improve the game.
Making suggestions is one thing. It is way past time you stop telling Hitech that he's doing it wrong. Because he is, in fact, doing it right.
:salute Hitech.
Title: Re: Stats of top 10 planes from last Tour
Post by: JimmyC on September 09, 2017, 04:01:21 PM
Nuggs.. tell us your in game name..i want to check your stats and see what you fly?
Title: Re: Stats of top 10 planes from last Tour
Post by: lunatic1 on September 09, 2017, 04:16:07 PM
Numbers and statistics show that 90% of planes on arena are late war planes. People might take other plane from time to time but that would 10%.
so freakin what.
Title: Re: Stats of top 10 planes from last Tour
Post by: nugetx on September 09, 2017, 04:19:14 PM
HiTech posted the sortie stats. When I add up the EW & MW planes, I get 40% sorties for them. Not 10%.
Yes but they were from few days of the current month when the new tour has started....... wait untill the end of the month or check the last month.
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And I can't think of a better way to ruin any hope of new players sticking with the game than forcing them to fly Ki-43s and I-16s
How much do you see 262 or 163? people would be mainly on early or mid war planes, late war planes should be rare like the 262.
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while the veteran players zoom around in jets and other late war monsters.
LOL you are talking about current gameplay ! this is how the arena looks now, people zoom in late war monsters.
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ugetx, Aces High is the game I want to play. The game you want Aces High to be is not the game that Hitech wants to produce, and it is not the game I want to play
But you are playing this game now, and Hitech produced this game, the perks are already in the game, planes are perked already - i'm not saying anything new, i'm say what everything is in the game.
Current list of planes with perks:
F4U1 F4U4 163 262 Tempest
Title: Re: Stats of top 10 planes from last Tour
Post by: lunatic1 on September 09, 2017, 04:28:57 PM
No it does not, because other people will fly also early and mid war planes. There will be less late war planes, so newbies in an early mid plane will be facing other early and mid war planes instead of only flighting vs late war planes. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ New players can fly any unperked plane they want--when they start earning perks then they can fly the perked planes..
AND what makes you think a new player can fly a early or mid war plane any better than a late war plane? did you ever think that a new player may not want to fly a early or mid war plane, they want to fly the latest and greatest, and just because its a late war plane doesn't mean its the greatest. it just means it newer and supposed to be better. I bet you, that if we go to the match play arena and you take any of the late wr planes and I take a mid war or early war plane I will defeat you, I will give you 3 out of 5 5 out of 7 7 out of 10, I will defeat you every time and I promise not to HO, and I'm not the best pilot.
HiTech has said no to every one of your suggestions and wishes and even said he would look at some of them, I think--hmmm nothing yet.
Title: Re: Stats of top 10 planes from last Tour
Post by: lunatic1 on September 09, 2017, 04:31:41 PM
I see AAIK, Nugetx's little brother is posting now again.
Title: Re: Stats of top 10 planes from last Tour
Post by: nrshida on September 09, 2017, 04:32:44 PM
LOL you are talking about current gameplay ! this is how the arena looks now, people zoom in late war monsters.
One player's stats from tour 211: Model Type Kills In A6M2 2 B-24J 1 B-25C 1 B-25H 1 B-26B 1 B5N2 3 Bf 110G-2 1 C-47A 1 C.205 7 F4F-4 3 F4U-1C 2 F4U-1D 1 Fw 190A-8 13 Fw 190F-8 1 Ju 87D-3 1 Ju 88 1 Ki-61-I-Tei 2 La-5FN 4 M4A3(75) 3 M4A3(76)W 2 Me 163B 6 Me 262 1 Me 410 1 P-47N 3 P-51B 3 Panzer IV H 1 SBD-5 4 Ship Gunner 5 T-34/85 1 TBM-3 1 TU-2S 15 Wirbelwind 2 Yak-9T 1 Yak-9U 47
Definitely less than 90% late war monsters.
I used to try to get two kills in as many different rides as possible within a tour. People can fly what they want, within ENY balancing restrictions and perk costs. More limits on what players can do in game is not an improvement.
But you are playing this game now, and Hitech produced this game, the perks are already in the game, planes are perked already - i'm not saying anything new, i'm say what everything is in the game.
No, you are insisting that the perk system should be changed to force players to fly certain planes until they can earn the right to fly better planes. That is not what the perk system is there for. The perk system is to limit planes that would be unbalancing because of the inherent ability of the plane. You want to perk planes because they are popular. That's not what the perk system is for.
The planes are here so we can fly them. The effect of your plan would be to create an advancement system like other games. This isn't other games. This is Aces High. This game is better. A lack of advancement system is one of the reasons it is better.
Your vision for Aces High is not Hitech's vision. And your vision will not improve the game. So what if there are a lot of P-51D's flying? There is nothing wrong with that. There is nothing wrong with a brand new player being able to choose a Mustang as his first ride. And there is nothing wrong with a new player choosing to fly a Mustang exclusively.
Aces High is fine as it is. Your vision simply doesn't fit here.
Title: Re: Stats of top 10 planes from last Tour
Post by: Ack-Ack on September 09, 2017, 05:19:05 PM
Why do you insist even after the developer has repeatedly stated your ideas are not worth any merit and will not be added to the game? It has been repeatedly shown to you as well that your ideas are not good for the game play or for the game over all.
Title: Re: Stats of top 10 planes from last Tour
Post by: Ack-Ack on September 09, 2017, 05:33:07 PM
Late war planes unbalance the game compared to mid war and early war planes. Mid war planes unbalance the game compared to early war planes.
Incorrect. Just because a plane is from the late war period does not automatically unbalance the game play for lesser rides like mid and early war planes. For example, the P-38L is a late war P-38 but does not unbalance the game compared to the P-38J, a mid war plane. This is just one example of many others that prove your claim incorrect.
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Late war planes are better than mid war planes, mid war planes are better than early war planes (faster, better climb, more guns, higher calibre, better energy retention etc).
Incorrect again and just shows that you really don't know about the performance of the planes in this game. The Spitfire Mk IX, a mid war plane, is more than a match for many late war planes.
Other than the boosted ailerons and dive flap on the P-38L, the P-38J's performance is equal to that of the P-38L, despite being a mid war plane.
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That is why everyone is flying late war planes, because they are 'the best' without a cost, so everyone is able to fly them (you don't see 262 163 and Tempest very often and that is how it should be with late war planes and mid war planes, you should see them more than 262 but not as much as we currently do)
Again, you are incorrect. "Everyone" isn't flying late war planes, if you actually did play you'd see planes in this game spanning all periods flying in the MA. Also, the stats don't support your statement that "everyone" is flying late war planes.
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Idealy it would be best if all the planes were perked starting from early war planes and you would be accumulating points for the higher tier planes,once you unlock a better plane you get a few uses of it and while you have your uses you retain the points so you can move forward to the 262, the later war plane the less uses and if you use up your uses of the plane the points get reset and you go again from early war plane. Seeing how the 'old' subscribers feel about this here I doubt it will ever happen.
Ideally, there would be no perks assigned to any plane but realizing that game play sometimes takes priority, I can live with the fact that only planes and other vehicles that do actually unbalance the game play are perked. All your idea does is force people to fly planes they might not want to fly at all and the result is a customer that most likely will look elsewhere for their enjoyment.
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I'm not here to fly two planes, and if I take a i-16 I have no realistic chances against all the late war planes. Some say that they fly other planes, numbers and facts don't lie, people fly what is in the top 10 list - late war planes because they are 'the best'.
Here is a clue...you're not limited to two planes at all currently in the MA. You have choices of dozens and dozens of planes to fly that aren't perked, spanning from early to late war planes.
If you were to spend more time learning things like ACM and tactics, you'd have the skills necessary to be competitive in any plane you fly. I fly a mid-war fighter exclusively and I've never considered the plane I fly to be inferior to any late war fighter other than the Me 262 and Me 163. It's the pilot and not the plane.
Title: Re: Stats of top 10 planes from last Tour
Post by: Ack-Ack on September 09, 2017, 05:37:32 PM
I seem to remember in Air Warrior 2 or 3, for the Axis vs Allies server your team had a limited number of certain planes and once you lost them you couldnt up them anymore. I still remember an instance I was using a 262 and I had to go somewhere for a few hours. I just sat on the runway at a rear field and when I came back my team had long been at 0 available 262...I was able to own the skies for the rest of the night. It would be interesting if there was a daily limit on certain planes by player instead of team, I don't imagine that will ever happen as some one plane wonders would be extremely pissed if they couldn't lose more than two P51D's a day. I've thought about doing a month were I only get one planes of each type, if I die in the plane I cant fly it the rest of the month.
You will also remember that the AvA arena in AW was a virtual ghost town, just like the AvA arena in here.
Title: Re: Stats of top 10 planes from last Tour
Post by: Vraciu on September 09, 2017, 06:31:41 PM
You will also remember that the AvA arena in AW was a virtual ghost town, just like the AvA arena in here.
Apples and oranges. The AvA settings are not the same as the MA beyond just sides-and-rides.
Players go where critical mass is and rarely venture (relatively speaking) out of that bubble.
When I joined WBs it was still fairly populated and had an AvA that was full all the time (with an empty MA). Then for various reasons the MA became popular almost overnight and the AvA died. The crowd just moved and that was that.
Title: Re: Stats of top 10 planes from last Tour
Post by: Hartmann on September 09, 2017, 08:55:58 PM
Title: Re: Stats of top 10 planes from last Tour
Post by: nugetx on September 10, 2017, 01:32:31 AM
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So what if there are a lot of P-51D's flying? There is nothing wrong with that.
That's the reason the playerbase is so low today - gameplay, because after years of playing many people found out what many people said over the years, and they left becuse nothing was changed. The graphics improvement did not bring back many new players and they will not.
Look at counter strike, it's a game from from 1998, the graphics are very old, but the gameplay is same awesome as in the day and it has many players playing, and is one of top games played on Steam, the 3rd iteration CSGO has over 600,000 people playing at same time. A game is about gameplay first.
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For example, the P-38L is a late war P-38 but does not unbalance the game compared to the P-38J, a mid war plane.
A p-38L or J unbalances the game vs spit 1 or I16, a early war plane. late > mid > early
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"Everyone" isn't flying late war planes,
Sorry but statistics and numbers tell the truth.
Title: Re: Stats of top 10 planes from last Tour
Post by: nugetx on September 10, 2017, 01:42:40 AM
I did. In your first example you said people left because nothing changed. In your second you said people stayed because nothing changed.
In Counter strike the gameplay is perfect, that is why it did not require changing and it has same high userbase.
In Aces High once people found out the same things which are being talked and talked over the years, and nothing is changed, they just leave.The proof is in the player numbers.
Title: Re: Stats of top 10 planes from last Tour
Post by: nugetx on September 10, 2017, 02:11:48 AM
To have a better gameplay experience, all Aces High would require is to have
- 2 sides - main arena Axis vs Allies - all planes with perks
Once the word would get out,the playerbase might keep on steadily increasing.
Title: Re: Stats of top 10 planes from last Tour
Post by: nrshida on September 10, 2017, 02:18:16 AM
That's the reason the playerbase is so low today - gameplay, because after years of playing many people found out what many people said over the years,
Also this is logically flawed, and your inference does not flow with the observable evidence. If AH has persisted for what in game years amounts to hundreds of years, and it never changed (the core gameplay), why would the cause for drop in numbers suddenly imply because it hasn't changed is the cause. Surely other causes would be more likely: a shift in cultural values, different generation unaware of WWII, shortening attention spans making faster reward alternatives more attractive, more easily-accessible rewarding entertainment and so on...
You have to suport your premiss with evidence if you are going to draw inferences from it. Evidence and proof are different things by the way, but evidence > supposition > biased supposition.
Title: Re: Stats of top 10 planes from last Tour
Post by: nrshida on September 10, 2017, 02:22:27 AM
The proof is not in the numbers. You're saying the numbers have dropped. The cause is the game is not how I'd like it to be and the proof for that is the numbers have dropped.
To have a better gameplay experience, all Aces High would require is to have
- 2 sides - main arena Axis vs Allies - all planes with perks
Once the word would get out,the playerbase might keep on steadily increasing.
Pure supposition. As a proof by contradiction (since your argument is of the 'for all' variety), I wouldn't care to see the change you propose. It's entirely irrelevant to my AH gameplay. Bet you're not even interested in hearing about that because it does not fit your narrative.
Title: Re: Stats of top 10 planes from last Tour
Post by: nugetx on September 10, 2017, 02:28:30 AM
I wouldn't care to see the change you propose. It's entirely irrelevant to my AH gameplay. Bet you're not even interested in hearing about that because it does not fit your narrative.
I'm looking at perspective of thousands of people who play ww2 flight sims.
This is what the flight simmers who play games like il-2, cliffs, bos etc would like to see. This is what people who play flight sims for over 20 years would like to see in a ww2 flight sim.
They do not get that from Aces High, they are not here - it's as simple as that.
Title: Re: Stats of top 10 planes from last Tour
Post by: nrshida on September 10, 2017, 02:37:59 AM
I'm looking at perspective of thousands of people who play ww2 flight sims.
How are you qualified to analyze their motivations and opinions? Are you uninterested, then, in the wishes and motivations of people who enjoy a 'less popular' gameplay (and some who have for decades)? It is simply decided by weight of numbers in your view?
This is what the flight simmers who play games like il-2, cliffs, bos etc would like to see. This is what people who play flight sims for over 20 years would like to see in a ww2 flight sim.
They do not get that from Aces High, they are not here - it's as simple as that.
So your position is the only explanation for the (relatively) recent drop in numbers of AH players is that it is different from other WWI / II flight simulators and if AH is to get more numbers it has to stop being different and conform to the core gameplay standard of things that are bigger than it? It's as simple as that?
Title: Re: Stats of top 10 planes from last Tour
Post by: nugetx on September 10, 2017, 02:48:56 AM
How are you qualified to analyze their motivations and opinions? Are you uninterested, then, in the wishes and motivations of people who enjoy a 'less popular' gameplay (and some who have for decades)? It is simply decided by weight of numbers in your view?
I'm looking what would bring the biggest playerbase for the game and HTC. The current gameplay offers limited playerbase because it's not what a WW2 flight gamer expects it to be.
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So your position is the only explanation for the (relatively) recent drop in numbers of AH players is that it is different from other WWI / II flight simulators and if AH is to get more numbers it has to stop being different and conform to the core gameplay standard of things that are bigger than it? It's as simple as that?
Yes, it's as simple as that.
AH does it's own thing - the mmo aspect, and that is good. But the 'fantasy' aspect just harms the game, from the potential ww2 flight simmer which are bigger in numbers than current playerbase of Aces High.
Title: Re: Stats of top 10 planes from last Tour
Post by: JimmyC on September 10, 2017, 02:53:13 AM
nugs..Skolbocks..
https://youtu.be/IcmXQU5BY4c
Title: Re: Stats of top 10 planes from last Tour
Post by: zack1234 on September 10, 2017, 03:07:23 AM
I have il2, ROF and the mulitiplayer is kak :)
I was on the War thunder invite when they were demo it, is was garbage, i have no idea why they invited me, i think it was that german guy got me in.
Numbers equate to what? Millions have a Apple devices even though they are poo :rofl
Cliffs of Dover with MoDS looks good, but i dont have enough time to play as i am awesome and gorgeous.
We are on steam now so if we get a small percentage of new playes it will be awesome.
What was your AH name before you re subscribe by the way?
Title: Re: Stats of top 10 planes from last Tour
Post by: nugetx on September 10, 2017, 03:31:19 AM
I'm looking what would bring the biggest playerbase for the game and HTC.
You're immediately building on the tenet that 'biggest' is the innevitable progression of success and in fact necessary. I can counter that easily, then we are just two unsupported opinions balancing each other out.
The current gameplay offers limited playerbase because it's not what a WW2 flight gamer expects it to be.
The fluidic nature of consumer choice allows for this and supports this. AH's attraction might as equally be in its differences. Refer to my point above and also consider the possible implications if HTC decides to go toe-to-toe with huge games companies. Consider Porsche versus Toyota say, if you are indeed interested at all in anything that is not core to your unblinking mission.
But the 'fantasy' aspect just harms the game, from the potential ww2 flight simmer which are bigger in numbers than current playerbase of Aces High.
How do you prove the correlation? I think you cannot.
Why, if i may ask, are you here Nuget. If AH has so much so wrong, you don't like the pay model, you don't like the early war / late war plane mismatch, the three sides and so on, why aren't you, say, playing White Cliffs of Dover and accepting AH's differences. Are you a leading champion of Globalization perhaps?
Title: Re: Stats of top 10 planes from last Tour
Post by: nugetx on September 10, 2017, 04:20:05 AM
You're immediately building on the tenet that 'biggest' is the innevitable progression of success and in fact necessary. I can counter that easily, then we are just two unsupported opinions balancing each other out.
Isn't it obvious? Aces High is an online game, it needs paying customers to be alive. The more people, HTC gets a higher revenue and in-game more people play.
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AH's attraction might as equally be in its differences.
You are basing this on assumption. I base my conclusions on facts and statistics which has been presented numerous times on the forum not only by me but by other folks also.
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How do you prove the correlation? I think you cannot.
Simple, when someone hears 'ww 2 flight sim' instantly what pops up in his head, is axis vs allies and not '3 sides and all planes vs all planes'
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Why, if i may ask, are you here Nuget. If AH has so much so wrong, you don't like the pay model, you don't like the early war / late war plane mismatch, the three sides and so on, why aren't you, say, playing White Cliffs of Dover and accepting AH's differences. Are you a leading champion of Globalization perhaps?
I don't mind pay model.
Like you said, early / late war is a mismatch, three sides might work with 500 players, but there are no more 500 players.
AH is the only flight sim mmo, that's why i'm here.
Title: Re: Stats of top 10 planes from last Tour
Post by: Lusche on September 10, 2017, 04:33:54 AM
I base my conclusions on facts and statistics which has been presented numerous times on the forum not only by me but by other folks also.
No you don't. You base it on assumptions, conjecture and outright made up numbers. You have repeatedly shown to be vastly incorrect about you claims what players are actually flying in this game - in this very thread as well as others. By actual stats, provided by HTC. You ignore it, dodge it, and start to present your imaginations as fact again.
So your modus operandi should be clear to everyone who actually read this thread. I just can hope that people will just ignore you from now on. As far as I am concerned, I will do exactly that.
Title: Re: Stats of top 10 planes from last Tour
Post by: nrshida on September 10, 2017, 04:49:57 AM
Isn't it obvious? Aces High is an online game, it needs paying customers to be alive. The more people, HTC gets a higher revenue and in-game more people play.
How many customers does it need as a minimum? What is the upper limit before considerable investment is required to support more numbers? How many more staff will be needed and how large a new premises will be required? How many more servers will be needed and can they simply be inductively added? I don't think you are privy to this information. Things like this are rarely as simple as you keep asserting.
I base my conclusions on facts and statistics which has been presented numerous times on the forum not only by me but by other folks also.
I don't think this is accurate. Others have already suggested you have been selective with statistics.
At this point Nuget, you appear to have a religious dedication to your belief which I know is fruitless and indeed no fun at all to even discuss. If 'I am right' is an integral part of your initial premise and you are so repellant of other people's perspectives and opinions then I shall leave you to it at Lusche suggests. Good luck :salute
Title: Re: Stats of top 10 planes from last Tour
Post by: nrshida on September 10, 2017, 04:52:11 AM
I do however reserve the right to henceforth interject humourous & sarcastic opportunistic observations :rofl :banana:
Title: Re: Stats of top 10 planes from last Tour
Post by: nugetx on September 10, 2017, 05:50:16 AM
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outright made up numbers.
LOL
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/scores/planes.php
I made this up ?
So I guess it's just fantasy that p51d had 5000 kills in last month and it was the most used plane on arena, the stats are wrong ! and everyone flies the spit 1.......
which game exactly are you playing ?
Title: Re: Stats of top 10 planes from last Tour
Post by: nugetx on September 10, 2017, 05:58:35 AM
With 40 players its hard to find a battle...... I guess the minimum to find a battle pretty quickly is 100.
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What is the upper limit before considerable investment is required to support more numbers?How many more staff will be needed and how large a new premises will be required? How many more servers will be needed and can they simply be inductively added? I don't think you are privy to this information.
Idk, ask Hitech what was the max number of people on arena, but I can tell you that with 40 players online the game simply is not fun.
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I don't think this is accurate. Others have already suggested you have been selective with statistics.
Because i'm the first person in history of Aces High to show those stastics. (not)
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At this point Nuget, you appear to have a religious dedication to your belief which I know is fruitless and indeed no fun at all to even discuss
. Sounds to me exactly like what every opposer of 'change' is doing here.
Title: Re: Stats of top 10 planes from last Tour
Post by: thrila on September 10, 2017, 06:51:53 AM
Nuget, you are living in a fantasy world if you honestly believe you have proven anything. The player base count is clearly linked to global warming.
In the same time period:
1) Earth's temperature increased. 2) Players left Aces High.
Ergo global warming is causing the reduction in numbers and therefore Aces High must introduce more variants of the Spitfire to reduce global temperatures. It's science.
Title: Re: Stats of top 10 planes from last Tour
Post by: nugetx on September 10, 2017, 07:39:19 AM
I don't have to ask HiTech. You have to ask him if you're going to present a case for positive change. You make too many assumptions, are uninformed (compared to someone in this business domain such as HiTech) and biased.
Data is on the stats page. Inference and interpretation and significance is a whole different kettle of fish. You are interpreting numbers to support your assertion that you know how to 'fix' everything.
So I guess it's just fantasy that p51d had 5000 kills in last month and it was the most used plane on arena, the stats are wrong ! and everyone flies the spit 1.......
Respectfully (this isn't really a discussion anymore, just people pointing a few things out), It isn't relevant to the argument if the P51-D had 5000 kills last month and the Spit1 had 2 assists. This is what I meant by being sure you are correct as an inherent part of your premise. If those statistics are to support your argument then you have to establish the correlation that too many late war planes versus early war planes are causing low numbers of players. And you can't.
Title: Re: Stats of top 10 planes from last Tour
Post by: zack1234 on September 10, 2017, 08:15:18 AM
Nuget, you are living in a fantasy world if you honestly believe you have proven anything. The player base count is clearly linked to global warming.
In the same time period:
1) Earth's temperature increased. 2) Players left Aces High.
Ergo global warming is causing the reduction in numbers and therefore Aces High must introduce more variants of the Spitfire to reduce global temperatures. It's science.
+1
Again i ask what was your original name before you re subcribed?
Title: Re: Stats of top 10 planes from last Tour
Post by: nugetx on September 10, 2017, 08:18:23 AM
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If those statistics are to support your argument then you have to establish the correlation that too many late war planes versus early war planes are causing low numbers of players. And you can't.
I'm not saying they are causing low number of players, i'm saying that the game can be potentialy more enjoyable when all of the planes will be used on arena in a distributed fashion which can lead to more players (with 2 sides and AvA) because the plane rotation will be higher (more variants of planes being used in the arena) The statistics show what is in the game - not to support arguments. It's the other way around, i base my arguments on what I see on the statistics.
Statistics show that late war planes are used in 80% in arena, mid and early war planes take the other 20%. It would be more natural if planes were distributed in orderly fashion. Early war taking 40% mid 30% late 20% and 10% 'top planes'
Title: Re: Stats of top 10 planes from last Tour
Post by: TheBug on September 10, 2017, 08:20:53 AM
Who cares what his name is, ignore him. You're just giving him what he wants.
Title: Re: Stats of top 10 planes from last Tour
Post by: The Fugitive on September 10, 2017, 08:45:29 AM
Show me stats that say that people fly mostly spit 1 109 f4 spit V i16 p40n etc
Everything is on the stats page.
The reason the pony had so many kills last month is because lots of people like to fly the pony. Your trying to FORCE other to fly certain planes.
Prove this is the way to go, use nothing but the panzer for the rest of the month. Its a good all around GV and lot of fun can be had with it. Oh Im sorry, you'd like to fly? Nope, not this month, try it!
Title: Re: Stats of top 10 planes from last Tour
Post by: Max on September 10, 2017, 08:54:49 AM
I'm not saying they are causing low number of players, i'm saying that the game can be potentialy more enjoyable when all of the planes will be used on arena in a distributed fashion which can lead to more players (with 2 sides and AvA) because the plane rotation will be higher (more variants of planes being used in the arena) The statistics show what is in the game - not to support arguments. It's the other way around, i base my arguments on what I see on the statistics.
Statistics show that late war planes are used in 80% in arena, mid and early war planes take the other 20%. It would be more natural if planes were distributed in orderly fashion. Early war taking 40% mid 30% late 20% and 10% 'top planes'
Next you'll be telling me what brand of toilet paper to use !!! :old: :old: :old:
Title: Re: Stats of top 10 planes from last Tour
Post by: nugetx on September 10, 2017, 08:56:27 AM
i'm saying that the game can be potentialy more enjoyable when all of the planes will be used on arena in a distributed fashion which can lead to more players (with 2 sides and AvA) because the plane rotation will be higher (more variants of planes being used in the arena)
No thanks. This is of no interest to me whatsoever.
Title: Re: Stats of top 10 planes from last Tour
Post by: Vraciu on September 10, 2017, 09:09:00 AM
Nuget, you are living in a fantasy world if you honestly believe you have proven anything. The player base count is clearly linked to global warming.
In the same time period:
1) Earth's temperature increased. 2) Players left Aces High.
Ergo global warming is causing the reduction in numbers and therefore Aces High must introduce more variants of the Spitfire to reduce global temperatures. It's science.
The sun has been at a high activity level since 1880. Temperature increase since then is only one degree F. In that time AH player numbers went from zero into the thousands.
Time for another theory. (Yes, I realize you were joking.)
Look at the economy. Look at the expanse of console gaming. Dragons. Zombies. If AH3 had a Dragon FM it would be filled to capacity.
Title: Re: Stats of top 10 planes from last Tour
Post by: Vraciu on September 10, 2017, 09:11:43 AM
No thanks. This is of no interest to me whatsoever.
I wish that there was a way to incentivize EW rides. The carrot vs stick thing. Maybe as strat levels change (a factory?) the supply of LW planes moves back from the frontline.
I had some great fights against horble the other day, Mustang vs Warhawk. Good stuff.