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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Vinkman on October 13, 2020, 02:19:54 PM
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scenario playing out today. 26 bish, 24 knits, 8 Rooks.
ENY keeps fluctuating (20-30) every time a someone logs on or off. So I'm waiting for the VH to pop to save the base from incoming M3s. It pops I launch. OOPPS! ENY has dropped again so I have to go back the clip board and select a different vehicle. In the time lost to look for, select, grab ammo, and launch the M3 takes the base.
ENY only affect is to frustrate everyone playing. :salute
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While I totally agree with you regarding ENY when there is less than 60 or so players, why not grab a T-34/76 or something capable of defending quickly that you know you can launch?
Having said that, ENY in effect when one side has less than 10 is ridiculous. The system is in place for good reason, but it was not designed for sides with less than 10 people.
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Vinkman, sorry but you should have stayed in whatever vehicle you had. that was your mistake. any vehicle will kill an m3 and troops.
eny has nothing to do with your claim.
semp
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No, been on and it said we had 10 when it was actually only 4 in flight defending against 32 knights. Suck it up and fly 32 P-40's in there, no reason 4 guys should be defending against a wall of 51's, spit 16's and Doras.
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So no one jumped over to help the rooks. People are broken. :)
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Yes ..it is a bit crazy when you have 8, 6, 1 and you have an ENY of 14 and 9 respectively
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So no one jumped over to help the rooks. People are broken. :)
last night we came within 2 bases to win the map. some lost interest and 2 bishops stopped us cold. we still had fun. it's not how many you face but how willing are they to defend.
semp
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No, been on and it said we had 10 when it was actually only 4 in flight defending against 32 knights. Suck it up and fly 32 P-40's in there, no reason 4 guys should be defending against a wall of 51's, spit 16's and Doras.
Agreed. :cheers:
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No, been on and it said we had 10 when it was actually only 4 in flight defending against 32 knights. Suck it up and fly 32 P-40's in there, no reason 4 guys should be defending against a wall of 51's, spit 16's and Doras.
Agreed.
- oldman (and the P-40 is a pretty nice plane, once you get to know it)
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So no one jumped over to help the rooks. People are broken. :)
This is the real problem as ENY does not create enough incentive to switch.
A player who knows they have to wait 6 hours to switch back might be reluctant to switch to even up #s.
A person who is looking for action doesn't want to switch to the rooks and fight no one when the other 2 teams are fighting each other.
I think ENY restrictions from 12am est to 12pm est should perk planes rather than make them not playable at all. People will leave before they switch if they can't fly their plane at all. They will pay perks and stay though if they can fly their plane.
IMO, ENY with low #s doesn't have a huge impact unless the other team cannot fly heavy bombers. Having to take down a town with 45 eny planes is not that easy. It can even prevent a team from winning the map because they don't have a vehicle spawn. Far bases can make it boring when you have to fly slow planes.
If you do switch to the low #s side to fight the team you were just fighting with.... that can make it awkward. Many players are team loyal. Again, another reason not to switch.
A yak3 is 18 eny... it can outfight just about any plane in here. Its the second most popular plane with a far better K/D than the P51. ENY has to be very lopsided inorded to not be able to fly a yak3, therefore ENY isn't really doing much from preventing top fighters from the fight. ENY mostly hurts bombers a lot, which can deter players who like to do late night, early morning, bombing runs to smash towns and factories.
I believe ENY doesn't give a player enough incentive to switch, it gives them another reason to log off. They would pay perks to be able to fly their plane but don't want to switch due to low action on that side, fighting your previous team, 6 hour side switch time, and country loyalty.
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Wait, so let me get this straight: You are on a side that has high numbers while there is a side with very low numbers, with fluctuating ENY, chose an object that could become restricted if ENY changes for the worse, but rather than choosing something that won't become restricted during these times (and apparently during a critical time in this case), opted to stick with what you had selected and ended up being unable to up because the object your chose ended up restricted right when hanger popped?
Yeah, you gambled, and you lost. You should have chosen something that wouldn't risk being ENY locked at all, especially if it was fluctuating like you said it was.
And how could it take so long to choose something that's white and just launch? :headscratch: It's a scramble, you go out with whatever is onboard and make due. :)
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ENY is out of control
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I know zip, about coding! How hard would it be, to perk ALL Planes, as far as ENY goes? We have Perk Tanks,Jets and Super Hogs...so...
What is the point of getting perks, if you cant use them? Like "Current"(might be a good time to adjust the Yak3 usability?🤷♂️🤣) ENY ratings values(but in reverse perk values...5=30 an 30 =5) x ENY/ Perk Bonuses?????????Just an example...would prefer it to come out on the High Cost side. IMH, this would solve the "ENY? FRICK! See ya'll tomorrow!" situation! Folk just WONT try to even the Numbers...this way they wont have too. True, as I understand it, ENY acts like a "Handi-cap" in Golf? Yes, most of us have enough perk points to last for months, and it might not make "Fighting The Herd" any easier but it might keep folk in the Arena.
FIGHT THE HOARDE....Delete their Perk points...Watch them cry!!!! :devil
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This thread shows that eny is working.
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This thread shows that eny is working.
If by working you mean making players leave and HTC looses an income source than ya it's doing wonders, at least if the intentions where to kill off the game.
Lets be honest I rarely see more than a 100 players in the Melee arena at prime time. At night there are usually less than 30. I have never seen the MA with more than 200 since I've been back. The game and it's community is dying, and I don't think Life support is going to work for much longer!
We got to this point for a reason and I don't think the blame lies with the player base or competition.
I log in a 11pm Pacific Time with 30 people on and an ENY value so high I can't fly a single corsair model, it honestly makes me want to cancel my subscription.
The game is Ugly, it's Buggy, there are barely enough players to support it, and while it isn't war thunder it isn't really up their in the realism department either, least war thunder looks pretty but so does IL2:GB and DCS .... Heck even Il2:1946 with a mod looks and plays better, you just don't have a persistent 1000 player server/arena. How many planes are jacked up nerfed or perked for "Player Balance" .... You can't have balance without players and we really don't have the players any more.
Ask TC Drano Joker and Bech how many times I got pissed off and logged off due to NMY. Simply put this frustration isn't worth the money I pay for it and I do it far more for my squad and the game's Community than anything else .... as many of us have notice there isn't a lot of community left. The only thing keeping me from canceling right now is the very few friends I have left in it and "The Bowling Equation" The game with FSO and Scenarios cost less, takes less effort and is about as much fun as bowling league. However my bowling ball cost a lot less than my throttle alone did let alone my computer.
As soon as DCS releases the Corsair module with the Essex class carrier and map, I'm probably going to bail on AH the first time I get screwed by NMY and can't even fly an early F4u1 at 1am PT.
To bad the IL2 Guys are fixated on Eurotrash but at least they have a p38j with dive flaps I can fly without worrying about NMY Putting a huge thick glass plane in my cockpit obstructing my view.
NMY is one of the many things hurting this game and one of the easiest to fix.
The simplest fix and easiest to implement is to disable or restrict it when the over all arena numbers fall below a certain number like 50 and enable unlimited or at least much less restrictive country changes, at least in a way that doesn't trap a player in the new country when NMY turns off.
Here is a thread that touches on the matter way back in 2011 right before I left AH for nearly 10 years (The 2 weeks I came back in 2016ish don't count) for SWTOR. It's kind of been a problem for a long time. At least then we had problem of getting into one of the first couple of 500 man late war arenas. Kinda miss that now.
https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,318265.0.html
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Eny upset folks who will not even sides. They complain because they can't use their late war planes to pummel the outnumbered side.
Everyone seems to think people leave because of their reason. Most leave because of other people.... like those that do not care to even sides.
I know there is a time limit and it is set so long that it is inhibiting the folks who would normally switch to even sides.
That is the bigger issue and not the eny. Eny works to move people, the switch time limit works to keep them from moving. All folks do is complain about eny when it is the switch time limit that would help the issue the easiest.
If folks do not have the time crutch for switching, then they really can't complain.
Here is another fix.... we can remove the eny, all folks get on the same side no side is outnumbered.... everyone can fly the plane they want and capture as long as they want. This fixes another issue with some terrains staying up for a few days too.
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+1 on what vinkman said.
I'll add thanks to AH efforts to deal with mismatches though.
This is the real problem as ENY does not create enough incentive to switch.
I have not switched sides in YEARS. I actually like fighting should the odds turn against us. I tend to fly mid-war planes. If we get outnumbered and a horde is taking a base I might jump in perk plane briefly.
Likewise if my side has more numbers well...sorry. There IS a bright side. It is an opportunity for you to get better. :old:
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Eny upset folks who will not even sides. They complain because they can't use their late war planes to pummel the outnumbered side.
Everyone seems to think people leave because of their reason. Most leave because of other people.... like those that do not care to even sides.
I know there is a time limit and it is set so long that it is inhibiting the folks who would normally switch to even sides.
That is the bigger issue and not the eny. Eny works to move people, the switch time limit works to keep them from moving. All folks do is complain about eny when it is the switch time limit that would help the issue the easiest.
If folks do not have the time crutch for switching, then they really can't complain.
Here is another fix.... we can remove the eny, all folks get on the same side no side is outnumbered.... everyone can fly the plane they want and capture as long as they want. This fixes another issue with some terrains staying up for a few days too.
Sorry for being such a negative nelly But Dang it Shuffler now you got me all worked up and my insomia is completely kicked in and being 50 sux!
You know me well enough to now I have no loyalty to a chess peace or any of the first three letters of the alphabet. I want to be able to fly what I want with friends specially squadies which doesn't happen often enough any more. The only thing that holds me back from side swapping is not being able to change back when squadies or friends show or when NMY is over. I got trapped on the wrong side due to that way to many times back in 2011 and before as I mentioned in that old post from 2011.
And the really funny part is right now it hits hardest when the numbers are the lowest and you have people sleeping in the towers which is mostly when the left coasters and late nighters get on. There is almost no reason to even have it on at those low numbers. It's probably easier to just turn it off at certain times or under low numbers than it is to implement an auto kick for loiterers .... God I can only imagine how many ways that can go wrong!
We can't get a perma-squelch because it detracts from the community aspect of the game than maybe it's time for the community to grow up. Just unlock the dang side change cap Or give it a really low refresh like one change per 5 or 10 minutes. We probably got more then a few guys with more money than a social life to run shade accounts that make the point of limiting side swaps pointless any way.
Edit: Another bad time it hits is right after FSO a Scenario or some other event. poor Drano and Joker get stuck in p38js or gs .... I can normally stay happy if I'm in a f4u or a p38l (With Wingies)
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Vinkman, sorry but you should have stayed in whatever vehicle you had. that was your mistake. any vehicle will kill an m3 and troops.
eny has nothing to do with your claim.
semp
Semp you clearly didn't understand. :salute
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Wait, so let me get this straight: You are on a side that has high numbers ...
Actually even numbers. Knits were fight Bish. Rooks were not an an issue. It had become a two sided fight. Perhaps the rooks were switching because they had no action.
Yeah, you gambled, and you lost. You should have chosen something that wouldn't risk being ENY locked at all, especially if it was fluctuating like you said it was.
ENY had already restricted almost everything. The whole Vehicle roster was yellow. I selected a tank because M3s have .50 cals. I think it was a Panzer iv H, and waited. When I launched ENY had lowered again so I couldn't even take that POS.
And how could it take so long to choose something that's white and just launch? :headscratch: It's a scramble, you go out with whatever is onboard and make due. :)
When I selected it, it was available, when I launched, it wasn't. The difference in time was 20 seconds because I was waiting for the VH to come up.
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Eny upset folks who will not even sides. They complain because they can't use their late war planes to pummel the outnumbered side.
So I should have left a good fight to go to Rooks who had no fight on the map, just to make sides even?
.... like those that do not care to even sides.
Maybe. But HiTech has said previously that the point of ENY is NOT to make you switch sides. Begging the question....what is it for?
Here is another fix.... we can remove the eny, all folks get on the same side no side is outnumbered.... everyone can fly the plane they want and capture as long as they want. This fixes another issue with some terrains staying up for a few days too.
When one side get more players, why is an intervention needed to stop them from winning a map? Why is not winning maps a goal of the coders? Why is every fight on the map handicapped because one squad on one team has logged on at the same time and is rolling bases. It's a big map, lots of folks trying to have fun, independent of what one squad is doing.
ENY makes no one happy. The people it limits are frustrated and pissed off. The people it doesn't limit, have no idea the affected people are limited. When I engage a 109-G6 I don't get suddenly happy and think Thank God ENY forced this guy into a g6 because I have no idea why the guy is in a g6. So there is no positive emotion created by the ENY limit. Leaving only the Frustrated players who were limited.
Therefore it's net effect on player satisfaction is only negative.
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ENY should be tied to a persons score...the better they are the more restricted their choices.
Need someway to keep the vets out of their studmuffinfires and jetyaks :)
Eagler
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So no one jumped over to help the rooks. People are broken. :)
I have been a rook ever since I joined this game when AW died, committed suicide or was
killed... I will not apologize for staying rook... I was brought up to be loyal to everything...
the USA, the company I worked 35 yrs for, etc.... unless there is a compelling reason to change
those loyalties, I will remain that way although the dems AND repubs continue to make it hard :salute
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Yall have answered your own questions. :aok
Mayhem...... hence the note about switch time too long. :aok
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ENY makes no one happy.
I'm good with it. :old:
Complainers tend to exaggerate things.
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Actually even numbers. Knits were fight Bish. Rooks were not an an issue. It had become a two sided fight. Perhaps the rooks were switching because they had no action.
Rooks were at 8, while Bish and Nit were 20+. Not sure how that is "even". The other side was dealing with ENY just like you. :)
ENY had already restricted almost everything. The whole Vehicle roster was yellow. I selected a tank because M3s have .50 cals. I think it was a Panzer iv H, and waited. When I launched ENY had lowered again so I couldn't even take that POS.
So did HiTech remove the Panzer F? Has her ENY been changed to equal the H, or to where she could be ENY locked? :headscratch:
When I selected it, it was available, when I launched, it wasn't. The difference in time was 20 seconds because I was waiting for the VH to come up.
20 seconds is a long time, well more than enough for ENY to do it's ENY thing. :noid
You still gambled on a vehicle that could become ENY locked while waiting. It did and you lost.
I would say, "Add more GV's for the higher (lower?) ENY side of things", but it's looking like they'd simply be ignored like the Panzer F. Don't be afraid of the F, you might be surprised at what that short barrel 75 could do. :)
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I would say, "Add more GV's for the higher (lower?) ENY side of things", but it's looking like they'd simply be ignored like the Panzer F. Don't be afraid of the F, you might be surprised at what that short barrel 75 could do. :)
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This will never happen but it is fun to talk about. :D
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IMO, I don't believe ENY restrictions do any good for any side, and pretty much just encourages people to log off when they can't fly what they want on their side with friends. Perking these planes would be a better option.
If there are 20 players on 2 teams compared to 8 on the third team, I recon only <10 players are attacking that 3rd team if anything at all. The 3rd team would be able to defend against that. Mostly they will be going after bombers trying to hit towns who see least resistance of fighters on that side.
I really don't think ENY works when late war planes are still in the teens or 20s like Yak3s and 109g14s. Eny hurts attack planes the most which can make it very tough to take a base on either of the 2 sides. Therefore it can keep a map up much longer than it should be.
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IMO, I don't believe ENY restrictions do any good for any side, and pretty much just encourages people to log off when they can't fly what they want on their side with friends. Perking these planes would be a better option.
If there are 20 players on 2 teams compared to 8 on the third team, I recon only <10 players are attacking that 3rd team if anything at all. The 3rd team would be able to defend against that. Mostly they will be going after bombers trying to hit towns who see least resistance of fighters on that side.
I really don't think ENY works when late war planes are still in the teens or 20s like Yak3s and 109g14s. Eny hurts attack planes the most which can make it very tough to take a base on either of the 2 sides. Therefore it can keep a map up much longer than it should be.
If you log, it is your choice. Not sure how that is better. If you log, then hanging with your friends must not be a reason for not changing sides, the time issue must not be the problem..... hmmm
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IMO, I don't believe ENY restrictions do any good for any side, and pretty much just encourages people to log off when they can't fly what they want on their side with friends. Perking these planes would be a better option.
If there are 20 players on 2 teams compared to 8 on the third team, I recon only <10 players are attacking that 3rd team if anything at all. The 3rd team would be able to defend against that. Mostly they will be going after bombers trying to hit towns who see least resistance of fighters on that side.
I really don't think ENY works when late war planes are still in the teens or 20s like Yak3s and 109g14s. Eny hurts attack planes the most which can make it very tough to take a base on either of the 2 sides. Therefore it can keep a map up much longer than it should be.
This is what ENY is for, to slow the team with the larger numbers down so fewer players can have a chance to defend.....if they want.
ENY is NOT to force players to switch sides. It IS a benefit should it happen, and it IS an option for those players that just HAVE TO fly their favorite bird.
ENY does work, but I think with the lower numbers the imbalance is more pronounced. Also with some of the planes/vehicles that were added back in the day and their ENY was set the arenas had much bigger numbers and the game was played differently. Thats why planes like the YAK3 are so out of whack ENY wise. I think if HTC watched game play for a month and then reevaluated the ENY on these planes/vehicles you'd see some changes.
On the other hand, Im think HTC is all done with any more changes in the game. :(
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scenario playing out today. 26 bish, 24 knits, 8 Rooks.
ENY keeps fluctuating (20-30) every time a someone logs on or off. So I'm waiting for the VH to pop to save the base from incoming M3s. It pops I launch. OOPPS! ENY has dropped again so I have to go back the clip board and select a different vehicle. In the time lost to look for, select, grab ammo, and launch the M3 takes the base.
ENY only affect is to frustrate everyone playing. :salute
if you fly non ENY affected aircraft and vehicles from the start.....there is no problem
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As soon as DCS releases the Corsair module with the Essex class carrier and map, I'm probably going to bail on AH the first time I get screwed by NMY and can't even fly an early F4u1 at 1am PT.
Magnitude has promised a development update in a few weeks, but I happen to know their sound guy is out of commission at the moment. Might not expect things too quick. These things take time, as Hitech can attest.
And it's not a good idea to insult the system in use if you really want to change it.
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This is what ENY is for, to slow the team with the larger numbers down so fewer players can have a chance to defend.....if they want.
ENY is NOT to force players to switch sides. It IS a benefit should it happen, and it IS an option for those players that just HAVE TO fly their favorite bird.
ENY does work, but I think with the lower numbers the imbalance is more pronounced. Also with some of the planes/vehicles that were added back in the day and their ENY was set the arenas had much bigger numbers and the game was played differently. Thats why planes like the YAK3 are so out of whack ENY wise. I think if HTC watched game play for a month and then reevaluated the ENY on these planes/vehicles you'd see some changes.
On the other hand, Im think HTC is all done with any more changes in the game. :(
Generally with a large embalance its 2 teams with even #s and one team with very low #s. To me this is natural as the teams with higher #s are fighting each other and show action on the map. People want fights, so they go where the fight is.
Both teams could gang the other team and reduce their side to 5 bases. Ive been seeing this happen. BUT, those teams still have to fight each other because one side has to take their bases to win. If both teams are ENY crippled, while fighting each other, it makes it very challenging for a team to win the map. So in essence, the two teams fighting each other are both crippled by ENY not fighting the low #s side. This defeats the purpose IMO.
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Generally with a large embalance its 2 teams with even #s and one team with very low #s. To me this is natural as the teams with higher #s are fighting each other and show action on the map. People want fights, so they go where the fight is.
Both teams could gang the other team and reduce their side to 5 bases. Ive been seeing this happen. BUT, those teams still have to fight each other because one side has to take their bases to win. If both teams are ENY crippled, while fighting each other, it makes it very challenging for a team to win the map. So in essence, the two teams fighting each other are both crippled by ENY not fighting the low #s side. This defeats the purpose IMO.
knights win maps with eny anywhere from 15 to 29. we don't complain we just have fun with whatever is available.
eny is not a problem, eny is what we know happens when we have more players.
semp
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Yeah but Semp... that's because you out number both sides at the time...
sure there is only 14 on flying F4F's and 38's, 190a8's and jugs.... not much of problem really with numbers.......but the others have 4 and of those four there is usually 2 sitting out in a field somewhere...and the other side has 1 or none hahahaha...
of late though i have noticed an increase of bish numbers which is evening it out a little ...but poor old rook....it is getting a musty smell during the early American morning time
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I'm just going to come out and say it .... the game has fallen behind and the community is going to crap, has been for a long time, it's dying and nothing is going to save it, not even VR, I give it less than 2 years before HT pulls the plug on it just to remove the expensive space heater we call a server from his house.
I can't really let my youngest fly due to player base being so toxic and the lack of perma-squalch. None of my older kids want to play because honestly I never let them play online as kids, I couldn't we don't have a perma-squalch and this community is way to toxic. Instead they play SWTOR ... That's 4 potential customers lost due to community toxicity and HTC's failure to address it.
Me I have bigger and better things to do even in gaming.
If I can't fly what I want when I want than there is no point in paying my 15 bucks a month. I'm willing to switch sides as long as I can switch back when I want to but that's to much to ask than I'll go elsewhere I obviously didn't miss much the last time I left the game (8 years) and HTC obviously doesn't need or want my money.
I came back to keep my squad from dying with this game .... not sure I can do that, but I'm kinda hoping since we only have like 6 active members in the squad (and we have never had more than 3 on at any given time) since I have been back, that maybe we can loose our dependency on Aces High being our focus game and we can move on to something else that's going to be around for while and allows us to fly what we want even if I have to run a perpetual il2:1946 server in my Den.
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If I can't fly what I want when I want than there is no point in paying my 15 bucks a month.
We all know that you are not the first to say this. I think it is a short-sighted point of view. The game has so much breadth, yet so few people take advantage of that. We already have a zillion different airplanes, all of them as true-to-life as any computer game has achieved (with the possible exception of DCS, and I haven't flown that to compare). The sandbox permits all manner of play styles, customizable at your wish. Tying yourself to one plane, on one side, to do one thing, means you miss out on all the rest. I've been flying here for two decades, and I'm still learning new things (such as, possibly, that the 205 is not a complete pig).
Beyond that, comparing the toxicity of the present community to that of what we had when HTC split the arenas is comparing Donny Osmond to Sid Vicious. We now are nowhere near as horrible as the community was back in what some now consider the Golden Age. Paraphrasing Muhammad Ali, if you dream that thought, you should wake up and apologize.
- oldman
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I'm just going to come out and say it .... the game has fallen behind and the community is going to crap, has been for a long time, it's dying and nothing is going to save it, not even VR, I give it less than 2 years before HT pulls the plug on it just to remove the expensive space heater we call a server from his house.
I can't really let my youngest fly due to player base being so toxic and the lack of perma-squalch. None of my older kids want to play because honestly I never let them play online as kids, I couldn't we don't have a perma-squalch and this community is way to toxic. Instead they play SWTOR ... That's 4 potential customers lost due to community toxicity and HTC's failure to address it.
Me I have bigger and better things to do even in gaming.
If I can't fly what I want when I want than there is no point in paying my 15 bucks a month. I'm willing to switch sides as long as I can switch back when I want to but that's to much to ask than I'll go elsewhere I obviously didn't miss much the last time I left the game (8 years) and HTC obviously doesn't need or want my money.
I came back to keep my squad from dying with this game .... not sure I can do that, but I'm kinda hoping since we only have like 6 active members in the squad (and we have never had more than 3 on at any given time) since I have been back, that maybe we can loose our dependency on Aces High being our focus game and we can move on to something else that's going to be around for while and allows us to fly what we want even if I have to run a perpetual il2:1946 server in my Den.
You should let them get use to it for the teenagers. Will teach them to get tough in life with people online who are talking crap. Thats the real gamer world for u.
Hitech did address it by banning direct messages to people on the other team. There ain't much more you can do besides having 15 mods. A perma squelch may be tough to do, but at the same time, this isn't a "kids" game, and if they play, they should be aware of that. Also, it might help them to learn how to deal with the online world and deal with meatheads who talk trash.
I agree with you about being able to fly "your" plane. Thats why a perking system would work better. It really wouldn't throw the game off that much.
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Yeah but Semp... that's because you out number both sides at the time...
sure there is only 14 on flying F4F's and 38's, 190a8's and jugs.... not much of problem really with numbers.......but the others have 4 and of those four there is usually 2 sitting out in a field somewhere...and the other side has 1 or none hahahaha...
of late though i have noticed an increase of bish numbers which is evening it out a little ...but poor old rook....it is getting a musty smell during the early American morning time
dude I have stopped a base take from bishops late at knight it was 5v1, killed 2 goons. a couple of days ago 2 guys, rooks, stopped us we had 7 at that base, 7v2, they killed us all, a couple of times. we had eny, they didnt, we didnt complain, we had fun, all we needed was 2 bases to win the war.
semp
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You should let them get use to it for the teenagers. Will teach them to get tough in life with people online who are talking crap. Thats the real gamer world for u.
That reminds me of Kevin Beacon's Character "Nokes" response in the 1996 Movie Sleepers, "I tried to make you tough" and for that we have Dark Souls the game that screws you till you like it!
https://youtu.be/PMU41taZJLw
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Most of us stick around when ENY is high. Some aircraft such as the D11 is equal to a D Pony or B Pony unless you're inclined to turn tail and run. The D25 and the D40 are great also. For that matter they will fight nicely against all aircraft in game. You've got to use what they give you not ask them to do something they can't do well Try a different aircraft. You just may enjoy fighting up hill for awhile. :rock
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We all know that you are not the first to say this. I think it is a short-sighted point of view.
So what the was purpose of NMY in the first place? Because it doesn't balance the arena .... at most it makes a few people like me rage quit after FSO or When I log in at 10pm PT and I can't even Fly a Corsair. Making me quit the game for balance just makes me want to quit the game ... as in stop paying for it .... permanently. I hope you like the low numbers because the game is getting worse we don't even have the RONA refugees any more!
The game has so much breadth, yet so few people take advantage of that. We already have a zillion different airplanes, all of them as true-to-life as any computer game has achieved (with the possible exception of DCS, and I haven't flown that to compare).
You have 3 IL2 games Il2:1946, Il2:COD, IL2:GB. Micropose is back and is working on updating warbirds. If realism is an issue you have World of Warplanes and War Thunder.
The sandbox permits all manner of play styles, customizable at your wish. Tying yourself to one plane, on one side, to do one thing, means you miss out on all the rest. I've been flying here for two decades, and I'm still learning new things (such as, possibly, that the 205 is not a complete pig).
I like to play the way I like to play. I don't do GV's I don't fly 4 engine buffs, I like a handful of planes and if I can't play the way I want, fly what I want, I will take my money to someplace that does ..... and the number of subscribed AH players drops off that much more.
Beyond that, comparing the toxicity of the present community to that of what we had when HTC split the arenas is comparing Donny Osmond to Sid Vicious. We now are nowhere near as horrible as the community was back in what some now consider the Golden Age. Paraphrasing Muhammad Ali, if you dream that thought, you should wake up and apologize.
- oldman
In short I'm going to disagree with you on this. I've been around this game since Beta and I was in Air Warrior before that I even worked for Gamestorm/Kesmai, before that it was playing Air Warrior for Windows on AOL and AWDos on Genie before that ..... This community goes back far longer than AH.
I missed about 8 years of AH community toxicity specifically the Skyyr years You know where Skyyr and Kruel urinated in everyone's favorite breakfast cereal almost ended my squad that has been around since 1988/87ish and wasn't stopped until he started urinating in HTC's Wheaties. Ya I missed those years .... So other than the Skyyr Years that I missed this community has progressively been getting worse over the years you can blame it on millennial or whatever but this game was a lot better before I left than it has been since I been back seems all the toxicity is still here but now there's just less people.
I really don't see much point in arguing about it .... HT will do what he wants.
If NMY was about balance than give us the tools to balance the arena like unlimited country swaps or really low wait times to change back like a few minutes. Basically make it so I can immediately get back after a country change due to NMY rather than making me wait hours or longer. I figure that's easier than tweaking the NMY values or making it turn off when numbers get to low or tweaking the perk system but all that works to.
I personally think we have more than established that NMY is in fact a major problem, question is will any one do anything to fix it? .... I doubt it, I was griping about this back in 2011, which is why I want to break my squads dependency on AH. I don't think we can survive it's demise like many squads didn't survive the death of Air Warrior III/MV. I'm honestly starting to beleive no one really cares enough about this game any more and it shows.
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Funny that I’ve played this game since 2006 and it’s by far the most mild mannered game I’ve set foot in. It’s not even remotely close to joys of console gaming or the likes of battlefield where you get to here about race relations, whose sleeping with mom or you sexual preference. At some point grow some skin or just go away and play checkers.
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Funny that I’ve played this game since 2006 and it’s by far the most mild mannered game I’ve set foot in. It’s not even remotely close to joys of console gaming or the likes of battlefield where you get to here about race relations, whose sleeping with mom or you sexual preference. At some point grow some skin or just go away and play checkers.
Only 2006? Sorry you got to the show late, and most of us don't hang out and play games on pornhub bud! :salute
I couldn't resist being a Smart Arse :D
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Logged in tonight at 10:30pm Pacific Time ....
5 Bishop 3 in flight
19 Knights 10 in flight
12 rooks 8 in flight
Nmy 29
Can't even fly a single f4u if I want to fly an F4 something it has to be an F4F.
It's the same every night. I guess this is another night I can't fly, I guess I'm gunna have to start looking for another game.
I logged in again at 11:00pm PT .... this is what I found ..... https://youtu.be/Ey6O8aWVAds
If the purpose of NMY is to keep the Arena balance then give us the tools to rebalance it without penalty! Unlock or lessen the country change restrictions. WTF makes it so damn hard for people to understand this.
This game is hemorrhaging paying players like a hemophiliac .... How much more can we afford to loose till HT pulls the plug? What are you willing to do to save the game?
I'm at least one of the few willing to change sides on a fly to balance the arena so long as I can switch back when I want to. I was suggesting this as it's the easiest fix, a CM should be able to set the country swap limits in the SEAs they can also turn off nmy and perks so I don't see why country swaps can't be fixed in the MA so we can actually Frackin do what nmy is suppose to accomplish ... "SIDE BALANCING".
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dude I have stopped a base take from bishops late at knight it was 5v1, killed 2 goons. a couple of days ago 2 guys, rooks, stopped us we had 7 at that base, 7v2, they killed us all, a couple of times. we had eny, they didnt, we didnt complain, we had fun, all we needed was 2 bases to win the war.
semp
SAME!!!! Even though, 1bdspd use to complain about me...those SWINE THat could fly..SEMI-bASE CAPTURE SCENARIOS WERE BOSS! ENY was ZERO IMPACT for my fun! I have stopped NUMEROUS BASE TAKES by myself...well until they put up a Dominate Effort(for 30 min in one situation). Ask NOTAR,Eurastus, Redcthr/grndpndr,Tyfoo just off the top of my head!
This SANDBOX set up, is by FAR, Greatest opportunity to achieve PURE FUN in this genre, IMHO! It is what you make of it...as per Game Play/Fun!! Where else could one go, that is better?......YEP CRICKETTES :aok
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You chose not to fly a f4u.
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You chose not to fly a f4u.
DCS UH1H hovering practice .... I'm getting pretty damn good in it ... I can get into a hover pretty good and avoid VRS. I need to stop mast bumping after landing though it's unsanitary and hazardous to the ground crew but kinda cool to watch ...... specially if you do stick some one! LOL
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if you fly non ENY affected aircraft and vehicles from the start.....there is no problem
If none of the Vehicle and aircraft were affected by ENY there wouldn't be a problem.
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eny is not a problem...
Let's review:
It is a problem.
It's not a solution.
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I would say, "Add more GV's for the higher (lower?) ENY side of things", but it's looking like they'd simply be ignored like the Panzer F. Don't be afraid of the F, you might be surprised at what that short barrel 75 could do. :)
Your attempts to solve my ENY problem only reinforce that the real issue IS ENY. :salute
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Exactly..... some people would rather suffer than just even teams.
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ENY should be tied to a persons score...the better they are the more restricted their choices.
I like that! :aok
Crazy but it might help new players stay longer not getting instafragged over-and-over by vets in their LA7\Spit16\PerkN plane. :old:
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Your attempts to solve my ENY problem only reinforce that the real issue IS ENY (for me).
If there is one thing you've made clear in this thread it is you don't like ENY.
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Your attempts to solve my ENY problem only reinforce that the real issue IS ENY. :salute
Actually not an attempt to solve ENY, it's an attempt to add more things. The ENY factor is just a minor part of it. :D
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Exactly..... some people would rather suffer than just even teams.
i don't suffer and this is from a guy that only uses p51 and no eny doesn't make me log.
I don't change for a different reason. I don't like flying alone. both bishops and rooks do their own thing, mostly gv or long bomber flights.
semp
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ENY has a design discrepancy.... It registers players logged in instead of players in flight... It goes back to players logging in and not playing hoping to get war perks or players failing to log out... Needs to be an AFK auto kick for 30min of no activity... Knights had 29ENY with 11 players in flight with 24 logged in and the other countries had 19 logged in with 14 in flight with no ENY ...I checked every 5 min for 45min with little or no change... So knights had high ENY with least amount of actual players
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ENY has a design discrepancy.... It registers players logged in instead of players in flight... It goes back to players logging in and not playing hoping to get war perks or players failing to log out... Needs to be an AFK auto kick for 30min of no activity... Knights had 29ENY with 11 players in flight with 24 logged in and the other countries had 19 logged in with 14 in flight with no ENY ...I checked every 5 min for 45min with little or no change... So knights had high ENY with least amount of actual players
True story.
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I don't see any issue with being kicked after a period of no action. I have been playing RDR2 and it does this very thing. It will give you warnings plenty of time pryor.
A few folks stay on just to get the new skins. That would be the only issue.... small as it is.
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I don't see any issue with being kicked after a period of no action. I have been playing RDR2 and it does this very thing. It will give you warnings plenty of time pryor.
A few folks stay on just to get the new skins. That would be the only issue.... small as it is.
There will be players that man a gun at a rear base or park a vehicle under trees at a rear base just to circumvent such.
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I dont see an issue with keeping players on the roster. I do think the "in-flight" is what matters. That is what should tick the eny calculator.
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It was to my understanding that ENY only factored those "In Flight". Is it different now? :headscratch:
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if the time to switch sides is reduced too much, people will use it to spy.
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There will be players that man a gun at a rear base or park a vehicle under trees at a rear base just to circumvent such.
well there goes that idea.... :bhead
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It was to my understanding that ENY only factored those "In Flight". Is it different now? :headscratch:
Nope, that's the way it's always been. People logged in count toward ENY. There's some kind of lower limit where ENY doesn't kick in if total numbers are below X, but I don't know what X is.
There will be players that man a gun at a rear base or park a vehicle under trees at a rear base just to circumvent such.
I have never in my life seen players that were as devoted to not playing the game while being logged in as I've seen here.
Wiley.
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I have never in my life seen players that were as devoted to not playing the game while being logged in as I've seen here.
Define 'here.' :headscratch:
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Yeah, if ENY counts all players and not those in "in flight", it needs to be changed, that or an auto-kick feature put in. City of Heroes eventually put into place an auto-kick feature, that would warn you 15m prior to auto-kick, and if I recall correctly, gave a countdown at 1m till auto-kick.
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if the time to switch sides is reduced too much, people will use it to spy.
And this would make no difference.
- oldman
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if the time to switch sides is reduced too much, people will use it to spy.
well scoob and cybro never switch and well...yeah hahahahaha
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There will be players that man a gun at a rear base or park a vehicle under trees at a rear base just to circumvent such.
If they do not move for a given time.... boot.
You can be riding a horse in RDR2 but be in cinematic view. You do not have to touch controls as it follows the intended trail. If you do that too long, it warns you after a bit that you have 13 minutes with no input before it logs you.
Of course everything has a weakness. There you can circumvent by opening a catalog. It will not kick you if it thinks you might spend gold.
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If they do not move for a given time.... boot.
Impractical. Try again. :old:
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Impractical. Try again. :old:
How is that impractical? You move your machine-gun, turret, or any input.<<<< clarification
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How is that impractical?
I've seen tankers with the patience of Job (gunners, too, for that matter). I seriously doubt HT would code frustration into their play to end yours. :)
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Spawn camping does not affect me. I was just agreeing with another player on an idea.
No one has to startup or move their vehicle.
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Spawn camping does not affect me. I was just agreeing with another player on an idea.
No one has to startup or move their vehicle.
Then 'If they do not move for a given time ... boot' is ... impractical.
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Define 'here.' :headscratch:
Dont be obtuse, he means in AH and you know it.
Yeah, if ENY counts all players and not those in "in flight", it needs to be changed, that or an auto-kick feature put in. City of Heroes eventually put into place an auto-kick feature, that would warn you 15m prior to auto-kick, and if I recall correctly, gave a countdown at 1m till auto-kick.
Hitech said....I think.... that players could use thatto lock out planes. Everyone is sitting in the tower (and so dont count toward ENY) BOOM they all launch and you now have an ENY of 29. With some low numbers you could see a few players switching side to do just that.
Impractical. Try again. :old:
Air Warrior had it set that way. If you didnt have input to the game you would get a warning pop up box "Are you still playing?" if you didnt click the "yes" box in 5 minutes it booted you.
They used it to allow more players to play the game because space was limited and only a certain number of players could be in the arena at a time. They booted inactive players to make room for new players to come in.
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Define 'here.' :headscratch:
Aces high. Every time I've seen autoboot brought up, there's been a decent sized portion of the people on the BB that freak because apparently logging back into a game after you've walked away from it is an arduous ordeal up with which they will not put.
How is that impractical? You move your machine-gun, turret, or any input.<<<< clarification
Yup. And the people who are using it to get their precious, precious win the war perks overnight will use a scripting program like autohotkey, or have an axis that's just a tad out of calibration so their turret just spins when they go into the tank/field gun. Just examples, likely a few other ways they could do it. The point is it would be trivial to overcome if someone wanted to do it. It would deal with the people that accidentally stay logged in, but I'm pretty confident they're the vast minority of people who stay logged in for days.
Wiley.
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'Here' could mean this thread.
Air Warrior had it set that way. If you didnt have input to the game you would get a warning pop up box "Are you still playing?" if you didnt click the "yes" box in 5 minutes it booted you.
They used it to allow more players to play the game because space was limited and only a certain number of players could be in the arena at a time. They booted inactive players to make room for new players to come in.
I don't ever remember that feature in AWIII.
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The "here" you referenced can only be defined as AH the game ... in the context of this thread it makes no sense to think it as any other place... ENY isn't affected by lurkers waiting to pounce on a message board ....not exactly where this thread started but is where this thread has gone... argue for arguments sake much?.... at least make it good with a possibility of plausible if you are planning on it...
I don't know any tanker that wouldn't make some kind on movement after even 15 minutes..If they do then they have set up the dumbest spawn camp...unless of course they have been called away by ack to do dishes...or they fell asleep..(then they deserve to be booted hahaha).. or...maybe it is just that....they are not there..even if you are there and for some strange reason you want to sit in isolation with nothing to do, if you don't see a prompt and wiggle the stick... then you must have something more important to do...
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Some online servers in IL2 will boot you after a certain period of inactivity. You'll get a warning first then it'll kick ya after a bit. Don't see why that'd be a problem.
The last few weeks when I've logged in after FSO I couldn't get into a P-38L for most of the night. It's my usual ride but I just slummed in the J. Heck I just wanted to check out Oboe's new 80th skin for the L! This past week I got bumped all the way to the G and actually had a few good runs in it. So personally it's not the end of the world. There's always some model of lightning to fly! If I couldn't get into even a G somethings REALLY hosed!
That said I think it oughta cut off or change whatever factors it uses once numbers drop below a certain point. I get the intent of balance but if there's only a couple of dozen in the arena what's the point really?
Sent from my Moto Z (2) using Tapatalk
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'Here' could mean this thread.
I don't ever remember that feature in AWIII.
He may be confusing AOHELL's inactive warning that would sometimes pop up a window in AW.
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He may be confusing AOHELL's inactive warning that would sometimes pop up a window in AW.
Ah, ok.
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if the time to switch sides is reduced too much, people will use it to spy.
So what?
Makes it harder to sneak an undefended base?
Good.
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Exactly..... some people would rather suffer than just even teams.
Again that would be great and all, if they actually gave us the tools to even the sides. Which is what I have been griping about since at least 2011!
If you switch you cannot switch back when NMY normalized, or to many people move and NMY hits your new country too, well then you are just simply screwed!
ENY should be tied to a persons score...the better they are the more restricted their choices.
UMM No problem My score is always low I don't do Buffs, GVs, and I never score my runs under attack. Its fighters all the way for me. Same with achievements ... I don't chase them and couldn't give a spit about them .... I personally think HT should of invested the time and resources he put into achievements and scoring into something more important like fixing the dated 1999 graphics and re-used code.
And it's not a good idea to insult the system in use if you really want to change it.
Why? I would think my money would be more important than my insults - last time this crap chapped my arse I left the game for at least 8 years. That was $1440 I saved and HTC didn't get becuase I went on to something else. My new hotas rig didn't cost that much and It's one of the most expensive you can get. So leaving AH payed for my virpil Gear. Leave for a few months and I can afford that F-14 in DCS or Maybe the upcoming F4U :D
I come here for two reasons ... to play with friends and fly corsairs .... Most of my friends have left the game and NMY is really fraking up my ability to fly a corsair.
if the time to switch sides is reduced too much, people will use it to spy.
The only people who really worry about this live in their parents garage. If I want to spy I can bust out a shade account, Go check out peoples live streams or just ask a friend to send me a screen shot of the map and stats. I also have no problems cross country chatting in teamspeak Mumble Ventrillo zoom facebook messanger .....
God I trolled the heck outa vNUCKS and some of the Vtards on this almost a decade ago. I should post the PMs I got on it :D good times!
If they do not move for a given time.... boot.
You can be riding a horse in RDR2 but be in cinematic view. You do not have to touch controls as it follows the intended trail. If you do that too long, it warns you after a bit that you have 13 minutes with no input before it logs you.
Of course everything has a weakness. There you can circumvent by opening a catalog. It will not kick you if it thinks you might spend gold.
That requires new code to be put into the game and would only solve part of the problem. Side Change resistriction is an Areana setting that is already present in the game. There are solutions to the problem that does not require HT to write new code.
Air Warrior had it set that way. If you didnt have input to the game you would get a warning pop up box "Are you still playing?" if you didnt click the "yes" box in 5 minutes it booted you.
Which Air Warrior? I remember having an idle timer on AW in AOL but that was to keep people from idling in the game on AOL which had just gone flat rate. I never noticed it in Gamestorm in either AWClassic or AWIII and as employee I was required to sit in and monitor the game for hours at a time.
In short do you want to the arena numbers to continue to decline?
Do you want to keep loosing paying players?
This game has an awful lot of things that needs to be fixed. NMY is broken and Drives players to leave the arena and in many case the game as a whole. It IS ONE OF THE EASIEST PROBLEMS TO FIX! It's as simple as an arena setting NO NEW CODE NEEDED!
Yet I'm willing to bet it will stay the same till the day the plug gets pulled on the game, which honestly doesn't look to be to far off in the future.
:salute
I'm out! Bingo Ammo, Bingo Fuel, I'm RTB ....
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Then 'If they do not move for a given time ... boot' is ... impractical.
You are not understanding. They have to do some input.... move the gun, turret, release supplies or something. If no control input for a certain amount of time.....
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You are not understanding. They have to do some input.... move the gun, turret, release supplies or something. If no control input for a certain amount of time.....
for some reason my gvs turret had a tendency to spin around. wouldn't be that hard to not get kicked out. aim your tank at a tree, it bounced a few inches moves forward, bounces...
semp
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All it requires is input from the user. If no control input then boot. This is how ROCKSTAR deals with it.
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We as players and customers have a unique relationship with the owner/publisher/creator of this game, and last I heard that person, HiTech, was pretty much doing everything himself these days since the whole Rona thing hit and he has a regular life outside business which he may have more than one of ......
So before we all pull out our pencils and poke each others eyes out or rage quit ...... Has any one emailed support explaining (Civilly) the problem and ask for HiTech to look into it?
I mean no one has checked up on the guy in a bit and he may not have the time to check out our whine fest on the boards, we all would look pretty silly if he has no clue any of us think it's a problem.
TC keeps telling me every time I want to go on a raging rant "Have you e-mailed Support/HiTech?"
To be honest and before I make a complete arse of myself I have only contacted HTC twice in the last 6 months myself once over my Handle and once over another title and HiTech responded to both fairly fast. I myself HAVE NOT emailed support over the NMY issue ..... Has anyone else? (This is the first time I touched on the subject on the forums since 2011 and that I think was more over side changing ... It's till kind of a raw subject)
That's my public service announcement .... I'm checking back out of this debate/argument/brawl :D :salute
(Edit: I find the subject matter frustrating and I do honestly like flying with and against many of you who I disagree with on this subject so I really don't want to write something stoopid out of frustration that I know I'm going to regret. Sides .... some of you know where I live :p )
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With the low players numbers the sides should be reduced from 3 to 2 with auto assign to keep the sides even.
Then no need for ENY as both sides are always even and all planes and gv are available all the time.
Eagler
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I was emailing back and forth with Dale a few days ago about an issue with downloading. He is alive and well if you want to email him.
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With the low players numbers the sides should be reduced from 3 to 2 with auto assign to keep the sides even.
Then no need for ENY as both sides are always even and all planes and gv are available all the time.
Eagler
At that point squads are meaningless and lose players for forcing them apart. Got it, well thought out.
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True that organized squadrons pretty much require decent numbers in the arena. :(
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At that point squads are meaningless and lose players for forcing them apart. Got it, well thought out.
Not to mention all the spy accusations that would fly.
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Yep squads would have to fight each other ...the horror!!!
It would fix everthing else you all are whining about
ENY and perks are two things that never bothered or interested me..along with gvs, bmbers, fleet control, base capture, spwn camping, etc etc :)
Eagler
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I recall someone mentioning the idea of adding a scaling perk cost to planes that are being affected by ENY. So if you really want to fly an F4U-1D or P-51D, you can, just going to cost you perkies to do it.
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With the low players numbers the sides should be reduced from 3 to 2 with auto assign to keep the sides even.
Then no need for ENY as both sides are always even and all planes and gv are available all the time.
Eagler
This, plus the smaller numbers are more concentrated, and gives the experience of combat almost around the clock. I know thats what got me hooked here. Not a dead map. Go attack a base, and you get 5 yak3s hovering auto ack and manned guns
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This, plus the smaller numbers are more concentrated, and gives the experience of combat almost around the clock. I know thats what got me hooked here. Not a dead map. Go attack a base, and you get 5 yak3s hovering auto ack and manned guns
Color me this, a spit 14 and spit 16 both have 5 eny. A spit14 doesn't have a bomb. A yak3 gets more kills than both of them and has a way better K/d than the spit14 and much better K/d than a spit16. The yak3 had the second most kills last tour and crushed the P51s K/D.
There is no reason a yak3 should be 18 eny. It has been a damper on the game, IMO. Most of these late war planes should have a small perk. Ie NIK. Spit16, 109k, 190D, p51D, Ki84 ect when the #s go lop sided.
I really wish the map could change to a smaller MA map during off hours. It would greatly benefit the fights with smaller #s and make the game seem more actionable.
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With the low players numbers the sides should be reduced from 3 to 2 with auto assign to keep the sides even.
Then no need for ENY as both sides are always even and all planes and gv are available all the time.
Eagler
how would this work if more people on one side quit. what if i want to play with my squadies. what if i don't like 2 sides.
cute that you think 2 sides will fix everything.
semp
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how would this work if more people on one side quit. what if i want to play with my squadies. what if i don't like 2 sides.
cute that you think 2 sides will fix everything.
semp
I'm sure auto switch, and let me tell you how popular that is. No faster way to clear a lobby.
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I'm sure auto switch, and let me tell you how popular that is. No faster way to clear a lobby.
yesterday, I sneaked a rocket tank into a town, got it prepped.
upped m3 had a squadie going there for air cover. saw a mossie there, it was razor. shot him pretty good with the 50 mg, still lost 4 m3s. last chance, squadie was there fighting 2 cons. i just ran like hell while at the same time dodging razor. 2 seconds, that's how long i lasted after dropping troops and taking the base. was a fun time.
imagine how happy and willing to fly i would have been if i had been forced to switch one of those times i was in the tower.
there would have been a rage quit thread v right now.
semp
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Read all above and you see why there is eny. Nobody wants to do anything... they just want something done for them.
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Read all above and you see why there is eny. Nobody wants to do anything... they just want something done for them.
:old: :aok :cheers:
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Read all above and you see why there is eny. Nobody wants to do anything... they just want something done for them.
:bhead :bhead :headscratch: let me grab the crayons I'll explain it to you lol... If ENY is only affecting the country with the least amount of active players then it is broken.. Seen it watched it proved it... Switched from bish to knight last 5 days been rook but it's still broken
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:bhead :bhead :headscratch: let me grab the crayons I'll explain it to you lol... If ENY is only affecting the country with the least amount of active players then it is broken.. Seen it watched it proved it... Switched from bish to knight last 5 days been rook but it's still broken
Quit eating your crayons.
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Quit eating your crayons.
but the purple one tastes like grape!!
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Freaks
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Dohhh!
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:bhead :bhead :headscratch: let me grab the crayons I'll explain it to you lol... If ENY is only affecting the country with the least amount of active players then it is broken.. Seen it watched it proved it... Switched from bish to knight last 5 days been rook but it's still broken
"Only affects the country with least amount of active players!????? Doesnt ENY try and even impose Handi-cap for teams with superior numbers? NOT least amount of players or are you figuring Tower Queens vs actual ACTIVE PARTICIPENTS? :headscratch:
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"Only affects the country with least amount of active players!????? Doesnt ENY try and even impose Handi-cap for teams with superior numbers? NOT least amount of players or are you figuring Tower Queens vs actual ACTIVE PARTICIPENTS? :headscratch:
ENY is based off total numbers so ....
team tower flight ENY
Knit 25 6 12.5
rook 5 10 0.0
bish 7 12 0.0
Knits have more total players but most are tower sitters so they have the lower number fighting/playing yet they still have an ENY restriction.
I know a number of you believe that there is nothing wrong with the game, unfortunately I tend to believe those 500 other players we USE TO HAVE playing on a Saturday night. There are problems with the game that are due to the game NOT changing with the times.
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Right that second..... what was the next second..... and the next.....
Many folks left for games with more eye candy. This game does not move forward with graphics as much so that folks with old machines can still play.
Just going to AH III caused a bunch of noise because some folks machines could not handle it.
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Right that second..... what was the next second..... and the next.....
Many folks left for games with more eye candy. This game does not move forward with graphics as much so that folks with old machines can still play.
Just going to AH III caused a bunch of noise because some folks machines could not handle it.
Again changing with the times. The same goes for the players, you need to upgrade as you go along. I seem to remember a recent post about someone doing a bit of upgrading (https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,401223.0.html) :P
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Again changing with the times. The same goes for the players, you need to upgrade as you go along. I seem to remember a recent post about someone doing a bit of upgrading (https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,401223.0.html) :P
Oh Yeah.... my computer ran AH fine but I wanted to run MSFS2020. My old machine was doomed there. LOL
I signed on... took a long time to start up, was able to take off.... somewhat. It was stop and go.... ROTFLMAO.
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All I see is ENY doing it's job, as it should, as it is intended.
ENY isn't stupid, the players are in Fugi's "Tower sitting" case.
Wow, that felt good.. I'm going to say it again but bigger.
The players are stupid.
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Knits have more total players but most are tower sitters so they have the lower number fighting/playing yet they still have an ENY restriction.
When a Team gets hit by ENY, the number of tower sitters increases rapidly because of ENY. They can't fly their low eny ride, so they are sitting in hangar, spamming the 'launch' button.
The ENY number isn't that high because of AFK tower sitters, it's the ENY that causes an ever higher number of tower sitter the higher it gets.
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In the example used there are 37 total players
Map size, number of bases is a much larger issue than eny imo in that case.
With only 37 players you need about 5 bases total on the map.
By concentrating the action many other issues are solved by default
Eagler
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The whole problem is short people. Short people are undermining the game. We need more taller people.
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The whole problem is short people. Short people are undermining the game. We need more taller people.
You prejudiced flob-knobber!
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You prejudiced flob-knobber!
I still contend that I am a redneck geek.
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I still contend that I am a redneck geek.
Ain't that what I said? :D
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In the example used there are 37 total players
Map size, number of bases is a much larger issue than eny imo in that case.
With only 37 players you need about 5 bases total on the map.
By concentrating the action many other issues are solved by default
Eagler
how many players would just quit if this happens? i would be one of them. no bomber runs, gvs would be limited, no base taking, only vulching or picking.
would be easier if hitech would just close all arenas except for user created. see how well that goes.
semp
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How so?
It would just concentrate the action.
If the head count was 37 what does that make the actual playing numbers? <30?
How many bases do they need to attack or defend?
Or would it be that the easy to capture/ empty bases would be removed?
I think it would make it more intense.
Eagler
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Or would it be that the easy to capture/ empty bases would be removed?
Methinks you don't really understand maps or base capture.
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Methinks you don't really understand maps or base capture.
or the feeling of taking b17s to 20k and fly for 3 hours while listening to "by the dawn's early light".
some people don't even know that hitting strats gives you fewer perk points than hitting nearby enemy towns but strats help more up to a point.
anyway,
semp
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Looking at the top 5 posts in General Discussion 3 of the 5 are on the unfairness of ENY. Shhhhhhhheeeeeesh. To many that want it "their way". If you want it your way, go to Burger King and quit crying.
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Looking at the top 5 posts in General Discussion 3 of the 5 are on the unfairness of ENY. Shhhhhhhheeeeeesh. To many that want it "their way". If you want it your way, go to Burger King and quit crying.
Thanks, Hajo. Now I'm craving a Whopper.
(https://www.t-mobile.com/news/_admin/uploads/2019/08/nr-article-TMT-BK-Whopper-8-29-19.desktop-500x325.png)
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Thanks, Hajo. Now I'm craving a Whopper.
(https://www.t-mobile.com/news/_admin/uploads/2019/08/nr-article-TMT-BK-Whopper-8-29-19.desktop-500x325.png)
:rofl
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Whataburger is the way to go.
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Whataburger is the way to go.
5 guys or GTFO.
Wiley.
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(https://www.spankys.com/images/stories/heman.jpg)
https://www.spankys.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=47:oldstyle-burgers&catid=34&Itemid=55
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HiTech: oh no another whine threads about eny. they just don't get it. to even out eny just change sides. 6 hours later you can stay or go back to you're original country. low eny fighters/bombers are not the only planes in the hanger, expand your horizons
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HiTech: oh no another whine threads about eny. they just don't get it. to even out eny just change sides. 6 hours later you can stay or go back to you're original country. low eny fighters/bombers are not the only planes in the hanger, expand your horizons
HiTech has said its not to force people to change sides. So don't expect him to agree with you.
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HiTech has said its not to force people to change sides. So don't expect him to agree with you.
Good thing, because most people can only do that once in a day (assuming you have a job or other matters to attend to). I can fix the ENY problem for myself only once. At certain times, one person can make the ENY fluctuate by 8.
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HiTech has said its not to force people to change sides. So don't expect him to agree with you.
Ah, the irony of 'the expectations of HT.' Do you expect him to agree with you? That aside, you do know that changing to the side that is outnumbered (by total population on the roster) will allow you to fly the low ENY plane you may prefer. That isn't left to interpretation, at all. You are free to stay on the high population side (for whatever reason, be it 'country loyalty', squadron separation anxiety or even just plain ol' obstinance). HT leaves the choice up to you. But ... sides that enjoy the advantage of numbers (whether or not they actually TAKE advantage of such or not) will have their equipment choices adversely affected. That, also, is not left up to interpretation.
I've come to appreciate that element of design more and more ... and you won't see me run to the forum to complain about how unfair it is or how that one thing is 'killing the game.' I don't adopt that ... interpretation. :)
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Ah, the irony of 'the expectations of HT.' Do you expect him to agree with you? That aside, you do know that changing to the side that is outnumbered (by total population on the roster) will allow you to fly the low ENY plane you may prefer. That isn't left to interpretation, at all. You are free to stay on the high population side (for whatever reason, be it 'country loyalty', squadron separation anxiety or even just plain ol' obstinance). HT leaves the choice up to you. But ... sides that enjoy the advantage of numbers (whether or not they actually TAKE advantage of such or not) will have their equipment choices adversely affected. That, also, is not left up to interpretation.
I've come to appreciate that element of design more and more ... and you won't see me run to the forum to complain about how unfair it is or how that one thing is 'killing the game.' I don't adopt that ... interpretation. :)
You seem to be addressing complaints I haven’t made. I never said ENY was “unfair”. so explaining why it’s fair or whatever it is you are explaining, really misses the mark.
I said it is an inconvenient, needless hassle, that creates frustration without benefit. If you think it makes people happier, you're free to explain who, and how.
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You seem to be addressing complaints I haven’t made. I never said ENY was “unfair”. so explaining why it’s fair or whatever it is you are explaining, really misses the mark.
I said it is an inconvenient, needless hassle, that creates frustration without benefit. If you think it makes people happier, you're free to explain who, and how.
My response may have been to you but my description of the complaints made were a generality. However, you won't see me complaining that it's an 'inconvenient, needless hassle, that creates frustration without benefit', either. And why does your unhappiness with it have to be countered with happiness? I said I appreciate it, not that it gave me an orgasm. I've explained all that needed explaining. Not feelings, just facts. ;)
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...why does...unhappiness with it have to be countered with happiness?
Because adding a feature that creates un-happiness without creating a larger amount of happiness how you make the game more less happy to play. :aok
I said I appreciate it... Not feelings, just facts. ;)
I think Appreciation is a feeling :D
At the risk of prolonging the obvious...Do you think it is adds happiness to most players experience?
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I think the 'unhappiness' you think it creates is an overblown estimate, community-wide.
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I think the 'unhappiness' you think it creates is an overblown estimate, community-wide.
You may think that, but the happiness you think it creates is non-existent.
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You may think that, but the happiness you think it creates is non-existent.
You're still attempting to conflate things that aren't really related. My not taking your unhappiness with something seriously doesn't equate to happiness with it, at all. It equates to apathy about something that isn't as important an issue with me as it is you. You're complaining about something that is entirely in your control and excuses are beside the point.
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I'll probably just log on and go to the highest number side..... and drink coffee in the Tower.
There must be some reason folks are there.
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I'll probably just log on and go to the highest number side..... and drink coffee in the Tower.
There must be some reason folks are there.
(https://i.imgur.com/I2QEwhP.png)
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You're still attempting to conflate things that aren't really related. My not taking your unhappiness with something seriously doesn't equate to happiness with it, at all. It equates to apathy about something that isn't as important an issue with me as it is you. You're complaining about something that is entirely in your control and excuses are beside the point.
If you don’t care, then don’t reply and let those that want to discuss it has some time at the podium. :salute
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If you don’t care, then don’t reply and let those that want to discuss it has some time at the podium. :salute
The number of things that confuse you must be exhausting. Your time isn't being encroached on, your mic isn't being shut off. I do care when demands are placed on HT to 'fix' things that don't need fixing. I mean, seriously, man. If he was to waste time proving to you that you're wrong (and it sounds like he may just be prepared to do that) then he could surely do something more productive, like, I dunno, add Beaufighters to the game (or at least make some headway toward that). :aok
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The number of things that confuse you must be exhausting. Your time isn't being encroached on, your mic isn't being shut off. I do care when demands are placed on HT to 'fix' things that don't need fixing. I mean, seriously, man. If he was to waste time proving to you that you're wrong (and it sounds like he may just be prepared to do that) then he could surely do something more productive, like, I dunno, add Beaufighters to the game (or at least make some headway toward that). :aok
You’re what’s exhausting. :salute
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You’re what’s exhausting.
I could only hope. Somehow I don't see you giving the 'ENY must die!' crusade a rest. So, yeah, there's fun to be had at your expense, regarding. :D
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I could only hope. Somehow I don't see you giving the 'ENY must die!' crusade a rest. So, yeah, there's fun to be had at your expense, regarding. :D
its not dying because you, the guy who doesn’t care, feels the need to convince everyone not to care too.
meaning you cared all along, proving your a passive aggressive know it all masquerading as a reasonable sage.
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its not dying because you, the guy who doesn’t care, feels the need to convince everyone not to care too.
meaning you cared all along, proving your a passive aggressive know it all masquerading as a reasonable sage.
Whatever you need to tell yourself in order to rationalize that other people's opinion of your opinion doesn't count. ;)
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Whatever you need to tell yourself in order to rationalize that other people's opinion of your opinion doesn't count. ;)
Opinions of ENY was what I was after. You chose to make it a thread about your opinion of the people who had an opinion about ENY.
Maybe next time you could stay on topic and do less character analysis. :salute
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Opinions of ENY was what I was after. You chose to make it a thread about your opinion of the people who had an opinion about ENY.
Maybe next time you could stay on topic and do less character analysis. :salute
Sorry you took my opinion of ENY (or opinion of your opinion of ENY) personal. If you expected a popular bandwagon to ensue then I think your expectations were a little overblown.
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5 guys or GTFO.
(https://i.imgur.com/eSb123t.jpg)
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And we wonder why so many have issues with covid here..
Maybe we are less in shape than most folks
There is a reason we are known as " fat americans" to most around the globe
Eagler
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hey we aren't fat, we are prosperous.
semp
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(https://i.imgur.com/eSb123t.jpg)
I have done some depraved food related stuff in my life, and all that springs to mind looking at that is "Overkill." :D
Wiley.
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That does not even look appealing.
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That does not even look appealing.
It's not a peeling. It's the mother of all coronary burgers.
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Since AH will not change the ENY when there is only 10-20 people on, I have my kids and other friends log into their accounts and sit in the tower to make the other side's ENY even higher. It worked perfectly last night against a Bish GV Base, they could only up horrible tanks while I sat just off the base and long ranged recorded 38 victories. Don't hate me, hate the design of the game in which I am taking advantage of. :devil
~S~ Mothman
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(https://i.imgur.com/eSb123t.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/eSb123t.jpg)
If you need some help with that......let me know :D :D :D
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Since AH will not change the ENY when there is only 10-20 people on, I have my kids and other friends log into their accounts and sit in the tower to make the other side's ENY even higher. It worked perfectly last night against a Bish GV Base, they could only up horrible tanks while I sat just off the base and long ranged recorded 38 victories. Don't hate me, hate the design of the game in which I am taking advantage of. :devil
~S~ Mothman
No one even noticed....
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Since AH will not change the ENY when there is only 10-20 people on, I have my kids and other friends log into their accounts and sit in the tower to make the other side's ENY even higher. It worked perfectly last night against a Bish GV Base, they could only up horrible tanks while I sat just off the base and long ranged recorded 38 victories. Don't hate me, hate the design of the game in which I am taking advantage of. :devil
~S~ Mothman
Other friends ...... :rofl
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Since AH will not change the ENY when there is only 10-20 people on, I have my kids and other friends log into their accounts and sit in the tower to make the other side's ENY even higher. It worked perfectly last night against a Bish GV Base, they could only up horrible tanks while I sat just off the base and long ranged recorded 38 victories. Don't hate me, hate the design of the game in which I am taking advantage of. :devil
~S~ Mothman
Now I confused, I believe ENY side balancing is currently disabled?
HiTech
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No It is still on... was last night... bish 3 (two of which are known sitters) Knits 9 (at one point 3 in flight 12 ENY) Rook 5 (3 in flight 4.8 ENY)
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No It is still on... was last night... bish 3 (two of which are known sitters) Knits 9 (at one point 3 in flight 12 ENY) Rook 5 (3 in flight 4.8 ENY)
Next time can you check to see if it is only display but the planes are not disabled?
HiTech
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I noticed perk planes disabled at some point, but that was it.
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Next time can you check to see if it is only display but the planes are not disabled?
HiTech
sure..
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Next time can you check to see if it is only display but the planes are not disabled?
HiTech
Plane list in the hangar shows some restricted, but they do launch.
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I can second that ... yellow but launch
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Plane list in the hangar shows some restricted, but they do launch.
It should now display correctly also.
HiTech
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(https://i.imgur.com/eSb123t.jpg)
yummy
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NDISLES lasted 9 hrs 40 min.
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NDISLES lasted 9 hrs 40 min.
So the ability to reset the map faster against an out number opponent was achieved. congrats.
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So the ability to reset the map faster against an out number opponent was achieved. congrats.
Is it really any faster though? It's fast, but that doesn't seem like an unusual amount of time for a reset if the right people are on on a small map during off hours.
Wiley.
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I have always been Ok with ENY, If my side as numbers, we get less capable aircraft.... in theory.
What I think needs to be addressed is the nightly two-on-one situation we have....
Some type of coding that prevents the two most populous chess pieces from repeatedly taking bases from the 3rd chess piece.
Something like... Bish has one of the two larger populations, they take Rook base, clock starts a timer, they can't take another Rook base for 30 minutes. To capture a base they have to turn on the Knights.
The least populous country can capture any base from anyone as often as they can... no restrictions.
CAVALRY
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both rooks and bishops were attacking us last night. we still won the war.
semp
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both rooks and bishops were attacking us last night. we still won the war.
semp
Define attack, because most the late nights I'm on rooks an attack is one or two guys taking down the VH. It's more of a nuisance than anything that can stop the regular base roll.
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I dont know why you guys get all stressed out over this bullcrap. We need to focus on having fun and enjoying what days we have left/
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Define attack, because most the late nights I'm on rooks an attack is one or two guys taking down the VH. It's more of a nuisance than anything that can stop the regular base roll.
when I first logged in headed to a base that had so many rooks, i couldn't see if any friendlies were on the base. up north it was worst.
i was actually surprised we won. we had numbers but so did rook and bishops.
semp
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when I first logged in headed to a base that had so many rooks, i couldn't see if any friendlies were on the base. up north it was worst.
i was actually surprised we won. we had numbers but so did rook and bishops.
semp
Yeah, it was looking bad when I logged (at midnightish). Kinda surprised to hear the side I was on won the map. On a good note, I managed to get some kills (not a lot). My most memorable one was taking down a Chog (over 61, I think) when in a D model, fully loaded with fuel bombs and rockets. Sure, it was a fluke, but a cool one.
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Well rooks have more than both other sides put together. That is more than double of each of their adversaries. Complainers have successfully put another arrow into the game. Hope it survives.
Should have left eny and shortened switch time.
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Well rooks have more than both other sides put together. That is more than double of each of their adversaries. Complainers have successfully put another arrow into the game. Hope it survives.
Should have left eny and shortened switch time.
why? So all those paying customers can log and be stuck flying P-40s? you have it backwards as to what is an arrow into the game.
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why? So all those paying customers can log and be stuck flying P-40s? you have it backwards as to what is an arrow into the game.
If you don't want to switch sides to even teams, that is your choice to fly a P40.
Of course now you can horde in your Tempest... so you are happy.... doubt others are though.
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If you don't want to switch sides to even teams, that is your choice to fly a P40.
Of course now you can horde in your Tempest... so you are happy.... doubt others are though.
ENY has failed to stop hoarding
Getting Hoarded by G-14s and P-38s and P-40 isn’t much worse that being hoarded by Ponies
Just because one side has twice as many players down’t mean they have any advantage because they are often fighting on two fronts so the fight is actually even.
Switching sides on a large scale brings many more problems than is solves.
Being in the side with too many in a lopsided fight is boring and players switch so they have targets to shoot at. ENY isnt necessary to facilitate switching.
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ENY has failed to stop hoarding
Getting Hoarded by G-14s and P-38s and P-40 isn’t much worse that being hoarded by Ponies
No, stop. Because it's not just the ponies but Doras and spit 16's to keep peoples fragile egos together that show up. I can't believe you really believe that BS.
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ENY has failed to stop hoarding
Getting Hoarded by G-14s and P-38s and P-40 isn’t much worse that being hoarded by Ponies
Just because one side has twice as many players down’t mean they have any advantage because they are often fighting on two fronts so the fight is actually even.
Switching sides on a large scale brings many more problems than is solves.
Being in the side with too many in a lopsided fight is boring and players switch so they have targets to shoot at. ENY isnt necessary to facilitate switching.
It was working. Folks who like to horde were complaining about the aircraft they were having to use. Only when the number dropped to just a few in the arena was it a problem. Normally it worked. Change sides or use a different plane.
It did not drop to the P40 instantly. It usually took a bit for folks to ignore the situation for it to drop to that point. In any case..... congratulations on promoting hordes.
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ENY has failed to stop hoarding
Getting Hoarded by G-14s and P-38s and P-40 isn’t much worse that being hoarded by Ponies
Just because one side has twice as many players down’t mean they have any advantage because they are often fighting on two fronts so the fight is actually even.
Switching sides on a large scale brings many more problems than is solves.
Being in the side with too many in a lopsided fight is boring and players switch so they have targets to shoot at. ENY isnt necessary to facilitate switching.
Give me a horde of P40s while I'm in a Tempie. I MAY actually finally get a kill.
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last night at close to 3am pst, knights won the war. we had 7 players think rooks and bishops had 4 or 5 each.
so our horde of 3 with late war monsters of a p38, rocket tank and m3 captured the last base.
semp
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No, stop. Because it's not just the ponies but Doras and spit 16's to keep peoples fragile egos together that show up. I can't believe you really believe that BS.
He likes that he can now happily be unopposed cherry picking aircraft at the end of runways in his K4, while his score is protected by the horde he brought with him. :old:
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K4 is rarely limited anyway at 15 eny.
I hope they bring eny back
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K4 is rarely limited anyway at 15 eny.
I hope they bring eny back
Come on Atlau, you know how this works; these idiots are inconvenienced once and it "happens all the time".
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Once the K4 gets parked, you can then go to a yak3. Once that gets parked ki84. If that gets parked, you can then go to a 109g14. Ki84 is really not much different than a spit8 or spt16, so with pilot skill, ENY ain't gonna do anything. It really just prevents bored players from Jaboing which equals more logging off if they can't do that.
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If the 3 people that like ENY keep posting, eventually 50% of posts will be pro ENY. Is your hope this will fool people into thinking most people support ENY?
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Once the K4 gets parked, you can then go to a yak3. Once that gets parked ki84. If that gets parked, you can then go to a 109g14. Ki84 is really not much different than a spit8 or spt16, so with pilot skill, ENY ain't gonna do anything. It really just prevents bored players from Jaboing which equals more logging off if they can't do that.
I appreciate the advice. Here the thing...I pay full price every month. Im against anyone telling me what I can fly. especially if their argument is that it makes it easier to beat me. Why anyone would keep asking for that must be based on an emotion I don't possess, and have no interest in acquiring. :salute
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I appreciate the advice. Here the thing...I pay full price every month. Im against anyone telling me what I can fly. especially if their argument is that it makes it easier to beat me. Why anyone would keep asking for that must be based on an emotion I don't possess, and have no interest in acquiring. :salute
So... "a sense of fair play", which is usually grounded in "empathy". Duly noted.
Personally, I don't think there's a material difference between being horded by P47s or being horded by P51s either.
Wiley.
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I appreciate the advice. Here the thing...I pay full price every month. Im against anyone telling me what I can fly. especially if their argument is that it makes it easier to beat me. Why anyone would keep asking for that must be based on an emotion I don't possess, and have no interest in acquiring. :salute
I pay full price too. I payed over a year and could not fly because of hurricane Harvey. It flooded my home and I lived in my RV. I did that just to support the game.
Your change is no better than anyone else in the game. Everyone here pays if they play.
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Your change is no better than anyone else in the game. Everyone here pays if they play.
Then they shouldn’t get ponies and I don’t. :salute
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Then they shouldn’t get ponies and I don’t. :salute
Got it..... so if low team has 20 players.... only 20 can up on the other teams. It all works out. Not. Where do you stop. When you log on it puts you on low number team? No changing sides? All controlled by game? Where?
ENY was/is the lesser of the evils to balance.
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Got it..... so if low team has 20 players.... only 20 can up on the other teams. It all works out. Not. Where do you stop. When you log on it puts you on low number team? No changing sides? All controlled by game? Where?
ENY was/is the lesser of the evils to balance.
“Balance” is undefinable. If 10 people are working together it’s a horde that rolls the map. J0KERs do it all the time. Conversely, teams with more players get rolled because the other two chess pieces fight the team with the most players. That happens very often. ENY is an equation that has no idea whats going on in the game and hence has very limited ability to correct some straw-man issue of “balance”. :salute
It is 100% effective pissing off players that pay full price and and can’t fly their favorite ride.
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Then they shouldn’t get ponies and I don’t. :salute
Nobody has ever kept me from flying F4U's. I just go to the O'club and hit the sacred button to switch thy oath of country, Commit blasphemy and fly F4U's.
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Nobody has ever kept me from flying F4U's. I just go to the O'club and hit the sacred button to switch thy oath of country, Commit blasphemy and fly F4U's.
If you want to great. But players don't like having to chose between teammates and favorite planes. Why should they when the benefits to game play are nebulous at best.
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If you want to great. But players don't like having to chose between teammates and favorite planes. Why should they when the benefits to game play are nebulous at best.
There's always the option of getting better and not depending on late war speed to save your ass. It's not like eny just started a couple weeks ago, it's been here long before me. I adapted and learned planes up and down the roster instead of throwing a fit.
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There's always the option of getting better and not depending on late war speed to save your ass. It's not like eny just started a couple weeks ago, it's been here long before me. I adapted and learned planes up and down the roster instead of throwing a fit.
snobby answer. your assumption that people need crutches is not a accurate one. sometimes you are the lone defender at a base fighting off multiple tanks and m3s and you just need an D-Hog with ords. NOPE! ENY has shut off all loaded US fighters.
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He also assumed everyone can get better..
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snobby answer. your assumption that people need crutches is not a accurate one. sometimes you are the lone defender at a base fighting off multiple tanks and m3s and you just need an D-Hog with ords. NOPE! ENY has shut off all loaded US fighters.
(https://i.imgur.com/xmgVqw9.png)
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snobby answer. your assumption that people need crutches is not a accurate one. sometimes you are the lone defender at a base fighting off multiple tanks and m3s and you just need an D-Hog with ords. NOPE! ENY has shut off all loaded US fighters.
I'd say its accurate, if you can't function in anything else then you have your crutch. Also may want to take a look at what planes carry bombs, F4U-1 is in the 20's and carries a 1000 lber. It's also not the the only one.
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I'd say its accurate, if you can't function in anything else then you have your crutch. Also may want to take a look at what planes carry bombs, F4U-1A is in the 20's and carries a 1000 lber. It's also not the the only one.
I have a crush on the pony, is that a crutch?
semp
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I have a crush on the pony, is that a crutch?
semp
Seeing as one of the last nights if eny i remember seeing you in a Jug I'd say no. Who ever else was with you that night in the IL2 and P39 looking for GV's managed to put their big boy pants on and fought through the disadvantage of out numbering the opponent.
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Seeing as one of the last nights if eny i remember seeing you in a Jug I'd say no. Who ever else was with you that night in the IL2 and P39 looking for GV's managed to put their big boy pants on and fought through the disadvantage of out numbering the opponent.
so an il2, p39 and p47s looking for gvs had big boy pants, but late war monsters do not, interesting.
semp
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so an il2, p39 and p47s looking for gvs had big boy pants, but late war monsters do not, interesting.
semp
refer to vinkman needing a F4U-1D to kill m3's and tanks or all is lost.
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refer to vinkman needing a F4U-1D to kill m3's and tanks or all is lost.
but I'm not Vinkman. just asked you a straight up question. just curious because I not a big boy, just a fat old man and i mostly play in shorts or even underwear. no shirt, no shoes.
semp
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Real men, like Sean Connery, wear a kilt while playing Aces High.
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I'd say its accurate, if you can't function in anything else then you have your crutch. Also may want to take a look at what planes carry bombs, F4U-1 is in the 20's and carries a 1000 lber. It's also not the the only one.
wait you think a 1 hog with A SINGLE 1000 lb and no rockets is the same thing? :rofl :rofl
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I fly a high ENY plane as my staple.... and I don't like ENY ... it infringes on my target numbers
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wait you think a 1 hog with A SINGLE 1000 lb and no rockets is the same thing? :rofl :rofl
40 ENY TBMs carry 2 1000 lbers and rockets.
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40 ENY TBMs carry 2 1000 lbers and rockets.
And they're surprisingly agile, with 25% fuel.
Ugly they are, though.
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you all miss the point. If people wanted to fly TBMs they’d fly them.
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you all miss the point. If people wanted to fly TBMs they’d fly them.
I think we all get the point. The anti-ENY people want to be able to fly their favorite planes, with their favorite people, no matter what the overall effect on game play may be, because that's why they pay for the game. The pro-ENY people think it's bad enough to be swarmed, and even worse to be swarmed by Most Excellent Planes. No one has added anything new to this debate since ENY first was implemented. No one has come up with a better way - or a way that most agree is better - to counteract the play imbalance created by grossly uneven sides. Arlo was simply proffering a way to deal with ENY if you're on the big number side and don't want to switch.
- oldman
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...Arlo was simply proffering a way to deal with ENY if you're on the big number side and don't want to switch.
- oldman
which is white noise masquerading as an alternate solution. :salute
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I think we all get the point. The anti-ENY people want to be able to fly their favorite planes, with their favorite people, no matter what the overall effect on game play may be, because that's why they pay for the game. The pro-ENY people think it's bad enough to be swarmed, and even worse to be swarmed by Most Excellent Planes. No one has added anything new to this debate since ENY first was implemented. No one has come up with a better way - or a way that most agree is better - to counteract the play imbalance created by grossly uneven sides. Arlo was simply proffering a way to deal with ENY if you're on the big number side and don't want to switch.
- oldman
But, you do have to admit this horse has been beaten to an unrecognizable pulp. :salute
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Just wondering, has a suggestion ever been made to use AI pilots to augment the side with the lowest numbers, in order to even out the sides to negate ENY penalties?
AI bomber formations could fly from large airfields and target enemy strats. By definition, these would not be 'bomb and bail' missions; nor would they fly at 30,000+ ft. They could be programmed to fly at 20-25,000 ft and return to a friendly base if possible. Players on large numbered sides might feel compelled to fly interception missions to defend strats, and this could reduce the size of the horde attacking the low-side's bases. The AI bomber strikes could be laid out using the mission editor, giving friendly pilots an opportunity to sign on to the mission to provide escort, or add their own buff flight to the group.
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Just wondering, has a suggestion ever been made to use AI pilots to augment the side with the lowest numbers, in order to even out the sides to negate ENY penalties?
AI bomber formations could fly from large airfields and target enemy strats. By definition, these would not be 'bomb and bail' missions; nor would they fly at 30,000+ ft. They could be programmed to fly at 20-25,000 ft and return to a friendly base if possible. Players on large numbered sides might feel compelled to fly interception missions to defend strats, and this could reduce the size of the horde attacking the low-side's bases. The AI bomber strikes could be laid out using the mission editor, giving friendly pilots an opportunity to sign on to the mission to provide escort, or add their own buff flight to the group.
AI would significantly screw the fighter stats and I know me personally would be absolutely pissed being ganged by AI in fighters. Or even dying to an AI. It would take away the enjoyment of knowing I'm going up against a real person. Just my opinion.
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which is white noise masquerading as an alternate solution. :salute
Actually, it was a solution to the problem you presented as you pretended only low ENY fighters could carry the ordinance you needed to deal with the tanks rolling in. Calling it 'white noise' is just you admitting that the 'problem' you presented was just what you thought was a great excuse to complain.
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AI would significantly screw the fighter stats and I know me personally would be absolutely pissed being ganged by AI in fighters. Or even dying to an AI. It would take away the enjoyment of knowing I'm going up against a real person. Just my opinion.
He suggested bombers, not fighters.
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Actually, it was a solution to the problem you presented as you pretended only low ENY fighters could carry the ordinance you needed to deal with the tanks rolling in. Calling it 'white noise' is just you admitting that the 'problem' you presented was just what you thought was a great excuse to complain.
you just like to argue. in the scenario I mentioned a TBM is not a solution. you picked one point only and didn’t address having to fight off the fighters. please don’t offer anymore somution attempts, you’ve waited enough time in this thread.
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you just like to argue. in the scenario I mentioned a TBM is not a solution. you picked one point only and didn’t address having to fight off the fighters. please don’t offer anymore somution attempts, you’ve waited enough time in this thread.
The scenario I specifically addressed:
snobby answer. your assumption that people need crutches is not a accurate one. sometimes you are the lone defender at a base fighting off multiple tanks and m3s and you just need an D-Hog with ords. NOPE! ENY has shut off all loaded US fighters.
It was a specific answer to your specific scenario. It wasn't a bad one, even. It's just one you didn't want to hear. If you're gonna get all emotional about this then perhaps you need to leave pretend logic and poorly contrived scenarios out of it and just run your campaign on manly tears of the oppressed or sumpin'. :)
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Unfortunately there is no helping human nature in these equations... I have been on a side ... more than once .... who actually stated ... they have ENY let's horde them...
The other side had many more people on yes... however they were being attacked from both sides with great number meaning they were actually closely matched to each sides numbers.. The game can not calculate this dynamic... changing sides in these cases does nothing in the grand scheme of things..
you can argue for and against... but the nature of the game player has ruined all fair anyway...no one wants fair these days....fair equals a need for learning and skill building...and
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The scenario I specifically addressed:
It was a specific answer to your specific scenario. It wasn't a bad one, even. It's just one you didn't want to hear. If you're gonna get all emotional about this then perhaps you need to leave pretend logic and poorly contrived scenarios out of it and just run your campaign on manly tears of the oppressed or sumpin'. :)
you still got it wrong. please just stop.
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you still got it wrong. please just stop.
What's wrong with you? No, seriously. :headscratch:
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I can tell you there is difference between getting ganged by 51’s, n1k2’s or by f4f’s and 47d-25. No reason to stay on the low number side. Enjoy the empty map roll.
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Right now I miss ENY..........
42 Rooks, 23 Knights,,,, both attacking 19 Bish, in late war planes.
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Right now I miss ENY..........
42 Rooks, 23 Knights,,,, both attacking 19 Bish, in late war planes.
The bish stole the map last night at 1am pst, so I don't feee sorry for em!
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The bish stole the map last night at 1am pst, so I don't feee sorry for em!
Major missing of the point, it seems. The whole 'eliminate ENY' campaign was supposedly to make the game experience better for the individual player. Someone posts of it failing in that regard and the response is 'chess piece revenge?'
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Major missing of the point, it seems. The whole 'eliminate ENY' campaign was supposedly to make the game experience better for the individual player. Someone posts of it failing in that regard and the response is 'chess piece revenge?'
No side even with even #s has a chance when being double teamed. It happens and its part of the "no strategy" aspect to AH where there is no team leader that builds a plan for team members. Sometimes teams get double teamed and there is nothing one person can do to force players to fight the other team. ENY isn't going to fix this phenomenon. I'm sure more individual players are happy getting to fly their favorite plane. I am all for making them cost perks though. I think that is a happier medium.
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I'm sure more individual players are happy getting to horde in their favorite plane.
Fixed it. And 'sure' is a funny way to spell 'suspect.' (Because I suspect you're not 'sure' at all.) :D
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Pretty simple:
ENY does not work with less than 40 people on. It was not designed for that and needs to be adjusted.
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Fixed it. And 'sure' is a funny way to spell 'suspect.' (Because I suspect you're not 'sure' at all.) :D
I'm on right now at 1pm est on Sunday. Bish have 19, rooks have 20, Knights have 8. No one is attacking knights and there is no fight for me. ENY would merely be hurting the 2 teams fighting each other, which would not be fun for them. I would switch to go to the furball side, but I don't want to be stuck all day when I know the fight will pick up for knights soon. My point is that people don't choose who to fight based on #s on the roster. They choose where to fight based on where the fight is. That is the strategic aspect of individual players I am talking about.
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I'm on right now at 1pm est on Sunday. Bish have 19, rooks have 20, Knights have 8. No one is attacking knights and there is no fight for me. ENY would merely be hurting the 2 teams fighting each other, which would not be fun for them. I would switch to go to the furball side, but I don't want to be stuck all day when I know the fight will pick up for knights soon. My point is that people don't choose who to fight based on #s on the roster. They choose where to fight based on where the fight is. That is the strategic aspect of individual players I am talking about.
well use strategy and bring a couple of players to a base. pretty sure soon you will get a fight.
or you can load up your fighter with fuel, shallow climb and go find the fight instead of coming here and complain.
take some initiative.
semp
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well use strategy and bring a couple of players to a base. pretty sure soon you will get a fight.
or you can load up your fighter with fuel, shallow climb and go find the fight instead of coming here and complain.
take some initiative.
semp
Dude shut up Semp, where in that post is a complaint? I'm using common sense logic. Please argue against my post. Not using cop outs.
I'm not going to fly 8 sectors to get to the fight on the other side of the map. How can you "get a couple of players" if that's not what they want to fo?
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then sit there till they come to you. that's using logic.
semp
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then sit there till they come to you. that's using logic.
semp
yes and that is so much fun :rolleyes:
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I'm on right now at 1pm est on Sunday. Bish have 19, rooks have 20, Knights have 8. No one is attacking knights and there is no fight for me.
If you had been on a couple of hours earlier, there were 26 Bish and 23 Rooks attacking 15 Knits -- no problem finding a fight for Knits. :D
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yes and that is so much fun :rolleyes:
sorry should have used sarcasm font :)
semp
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So what was the purpose of side balancing anyways? Is it to make the sim more competitive? Or to allow paying customers to continue to fly the plane of their choice, or preference regardless of numbers?
If it is the latter then I want to fly 262's all day and at ZERO perks!! And if I dont get my way Ill hold my breath until I turn blue in the face !
We've had side balancing forever, so why the change?
Whatever, getting more and more stale.
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It's not 'side balancing.' It's number advantage restricting. (Yes, there's a difference.) :old: :cool:
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I apologize, so to be politically correct we'll now refer to side balancing as "number advantage restricting".
So for us AM rooks, and occasionally Knits, when the Bish outnumber both sides combined buy 2 or 3 to 1 (through no fault of their own, it is what it is), you agree that there is no problem with them flying C-Hogs or rolling T2 Tigers onto a base ?
Do you really think a dedicated Bishop logs in and sees that there are 25 Bish and 2 rooks on, that they'll switch sides and miss out on the base capturing horde ? I don't see that happening.
Whatever, just my opinion.
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The funny thing is those same folks complain about no fights too. Yet they love it when they can take bases with no fights.
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I apologize, so to be politically correct we'll now refer to side balancing as "number advantage restricting".
So for us AM rooks, and occasionally Knits, when the Bish outnumber both sides combined buy 2 or 3 to 1 (through no fault of their own, it is what it is), you agree that there is no problem with them flying C-Hogs or rolling T2 Tigers onto a base ?
Do you really think a dedicated Bishop logs in and sees that there are 25 Bish and 2 rooks on, that they'll switch sides and miss out on the base capturing horde ? I don't see that happening.
Whatever, just my opinion.
No, you don't get me at all. HT has said he doesn't force players to switch sides so ENY is not a 'side balancing' thing. He leaves that up to players (many of which are too obstinate to switch sides to enjoy their ride). No 'political correctness' involved. What it does do is implement an equipment restriction on the side (or sides) that enjoy a major advantage in numbers. And if you're seeing me as against that, then you're seeing things. ;)
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No, you don't get me at all. HT has said he doesn't force players to switch sides so ENY is not a 'side balancing' thing. He leaves that up to players (many of which are too obstinate to switch sides to enjoy their ride). No 'political correctness' involved. What it does do is implement an equipment restriction on the side (or sides) that enjoy a major advantage in numbers. And if you're seeing me as against that, then you're seeing things. ;)
Its hilarious that you guys scream woah is me when people ask for perks to be placed on top late war fighter planes to balance the fights overall in the MA, yet are perfectly fine with completely eliminating planes all together which really makes players on the other team log. You are better off just perking all of the top late war planes all together and leave it at that. Looking at any stats over the tours proves that perking planes reduces their usage.
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I've never advocated eliminating planes altogether. AAMOF, I've advocated a rarely used method to use whatever plane you can afford to use. As such, I'm not much into inflation. ;)
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Its hilarious that you guys scream woah is me when people ask for perks to be placed on top late war fighter planes to balance the fights overall in the MA, yet are perfectly fine with completely eliminating planes all together which really makes players on the other team log. You are better off just perking all of the top late war planes all together and leave it at that. Looking at any stats over the tours proves that perking planes reduces their usage.
It is the players choice if he wants to fly on the side with smaller selection of aircraft.
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No side even with even #s has a chance when being double teamed. It happens and its part of the "no strategy" aspect to AH where there is no team leader that builds a plan for team members. Sometimes teams get double teamed and there is nothing one person can do to force players to fight the other team. ENY isn't going to fix this phenomenon. I'm sure more individual players are happy getting to fly their favorite plane. I am all for making them cost perks though. I think that is a happier medium.
THIS! Unless I am wrong? The "Fluctuating Perk Costs" per Player Number(almost ENY'd out of play) adjusts cost of using the BOSS rides, as normal? I think Dale mis-interpreted what folk were asking for? NOT ZERO ENY use...just a tweaking of the "Playability" for those who are PICKY about what they like to fly! As per MY experience back in 2013, ENY was a Thorn in my side! TRUE...it forced me to "Broaden My Horizons" as per other planes! IMHO, the "side Switch" time restriction lowered in conjunction with perking EVERY CRATE per ENY...would be a great start? Just my opinion
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Perk cost has basically no effect on my decision to use a plane. If you have a huge numeric advantage you probably won't lose the plane.
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Perk cost has basically no effect on my decision to use a plane. If you have a huge numeric advantage you probably won't lose the plane.
True! Good Point, but that is us. It might work different for some others? Eh, I dont know many folk, who dont have thousands of perk points anyway :rofl Maybe "reset" to say 150p at Tour Changes? Never mind, that could cause timidity, i am thinking?
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True! Good Point, but that is us. It might work different for some others? Eh, I dont know many folk, who dont have thousands of perk points anyway :rofl Maybe "reset" to say 150p at Tour Changes? Never mind, that could cause timidity, i am thinking?
I am thinking of starting a black market for perks. :cool:
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HT should sell AH tshirts and caps for perks
They were cool looking - still have some from early 2000's
Eagler
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Aces High Coffee 1lb can 500 perks
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Aces High Coffee 1lb can 500 perks
Wow! That's dirt cheap! Sign me up for 5lbs! Might be dirt cheap, but not like I want to splash too hard either. :) Plus it'll take me an age to drink that much. :D
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It does make sense actually if you’re on the low side #’s, say there’s 12 or less of you on and 25-30 of the other country (often seen off hours) when 4 of the 12 are not in flight that leaves 8 to cover being attacked by the other two countries in high ENY rides always of course.
So while it doesn’t prevent the horde, it makes the horde have to learn/use more skill to achieve the results they want in more difficult planes. Does it not?
Maybe if there’s not going to be ENY going forward the high ENY LW planes much heavier, maybe?
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well use strategy and bring a couple of players to a base. pretty sure soon you will get a fight.
semp
No, immediately the Wirby squad appear in numbers, no fights.
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No, immediately the Wirby squad appear in numbers, no fights.
bring bombs, bombs to werbies are like kryptonite to superman
semp
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bring bombs, bombs to werbies are like kryptonite to superman
Plus, that's actually still a fight.