You're not trolling. Trolling is an art, not just tossing out one-line insults.
A troll will bait with a good, often ridiculous BS story that get's people in a tizzy.
The art of the troll
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: -gg- on July 01, 2022, 08:13:32 AM
Here's an example of a troll I made during a recall of romain lettuce for e-coli.
I made the toll as a shade on my other forum.
Went round the back of the beaner store near me and they had stacked crates of Roman lettuce by the trash. I asked one of the brown fellers hey bendayhoe what's this lettuce doing out her like this? He came back at me with a ola senior. The lettuce are for special friends like you. Free today.
So diddly yeah, I took a couple crates. diddly it. Why not.
I went by my moms and gave her some and she made us a salad. I was telling her about how nice the Mexican dirt bag was and she told me they probably got something wrong with their heads.
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: decoy on July 01, 2022, 08:14:47 AM
You're not trolling. Trolling is an art, not just tossing out one-line insults.
A troll will bait with a good, often ridiculous BS story that get's people in a tizzy.
Quite true. A troll has to look soooo much like the real thing.
Insults just irritate people and generate a knee jerk response. The Troll, on the other hand, will have the gamefish composing his response in his head before he ever clicks the 'respond' button. Back in the usenet days, in the group rec.sport.climbing, ah, there were some master trolls there. The good ol' days.
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: decoy on July 01, 2022, 08:16:14 AM
Here's an example of a troll I made during a recall of romain lettuce for e-coli.
I made the toll as a shade on my other forum.
Went round the back of the beaner store near me and they had stacked crates of Roman lettuce by the trash. I asked one of the brown fellers hey bendayhoe what's this lettuce doing out her like this? He came back at me with a ola senior. The lettuce are for special friends like you. Free today.
So diddly yeah, I took a couple crates. diddly it. Why not.
I went by my moms and gave her some and she made us a salad. I was telling her about how nice the Mexican dirt bag was and she told me they probably got something wrong with their heads.
Pure genius, Gina.
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: -gg- on July 01, 2022, 08:18:46 AM
Or this one I made under the Onion shade at FW
Me and Hitech Dale have been working on a new game called "Flight 19 Revisited"
Been working on it for over three years now and we are about to go open Alpha for 13.99 a month. A little back story.
Dale came to me 4 years ago looking for advice on howcome Aces High was sucking so much and why did it attract dumshits like Dolby, etc. I told him straight up that me and him should start a new game and so that's what we did. I directed him to not let Skuzzy anywhere near me or the new business cause that cat's a major bummer and he brings a business to it's knees wherever he goes. Hitech Dale agreed and we came up with a 3d business model for the new game. Now on to the game.
The Game is called Flight 19 Revisited and it follows the exploits of the famed Avenger flight 19 training flight out of Miami which was lost and never heard from again...UNTIL NOW! Yes! You take control of the group as it heads out on the famed training run! You call the shots! The game auto launches you out over the ocean in zero visibility and all your gauges are diddlyed up and spinning around and sparking. You have 30 minutes of fuel. You have NO radio communication with the outside world, or with anyone in the flight. Dead radio silence and ZERO visibility. Up to 14 people can play at one time....the same number as the original flight.
Basically you fly around silent and blind until you run out of gas and die, just like happened in real life. So it's what we are calling a RWAFSOHE (real world actual flight simulator of historical events) and it's the first of it's kind in the world. The outcome can never be different than what happened in real life. You will experience EXACTLY what the people of flight 19 experienced on that fateful night.
We'll post a link up over at Aces High to in which you can download the game in a new hidden forum that only people we like can see. Let's hope you are one of the chosen few!
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: Eagler on July 01, 2022, 08:21:28 AM
Just sheet stirring?
Get a life
Eagler
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: -gg- on July 01, 2022, 08:26:49 AM
Or this one. Not so much a troll, but in keeping within the Onion character as being an idiot.
My Body, My Sister's
My Body, My Sister's is a new book idea I'm working on. So far here's the rough idea:
A story about conjoined twins Emily and Kasha. They Have separate brains hearts and lungs but share everything else including the bigtoe. Two separate heads with one body. Emily controls the right side of the body and Kasha controls the other.
The basic idea is that these two are in their 20's and living on their own in Saudi Arabia after moving from the USA. They had a splendid life until one day at the grocery store. Emily, unbeknownst to Kasha, had stolen an apple from a fruit stand. They were caught and as a result were sentenced and lashed 10,000 times AND Kasha's hand was cut off. Because of Emily's crime, Kasha was now without her hand.
They were exported back to the United States, where a brooding Kasha fell into a deep depression. Some days she would not even get out of bed, while Emily seemed to go on living a normal life. They eventually met a guy named Bob and fell in love. Bob was wonderful to them both and was very fond of them.
Kasha still was pissed about losing her hand, so one night when the three of them were making love, she cut off Bob's dick. Bob ran out of the house and bled out in the driveway. Emily tried to help Bob but Kasha refused to move her leg, so all Emily could do was sit there toejamting themselves until the cops came.
The cops arrested Kasha and she was eventually sentenced to life in prison. Now she would have her revenge on Emily.....making her suffer for life for something she didn't do....or so she thought. Unbeknownst to Kasha, Emily had been consulting expert surgeons in order to get separated from Kasha in order to avoid prison.
So they get the surgery and Emily dies, leaving Kasha with 1/2 a body and no hand and serving a life sentence in prison. After five years her sentence is thrown out because they realized that she never could have cut off Bob's dick because she didn't have a hand. It ends when they both wake up. It was all but a dream!
The end.
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: -gg- on July 01, 2022, 08:35:45 AM
Quite true. A troll has to look soooo much like the real thing.
Insults just irritate people and generate a knee jerk response. The Troll, on the other hand, will have the gamefish composing his response in his head before he ever clicks the 'respond' button. Back in the usenet days, in the group rec.sport.climbing, ah, there were some master trolls there. The good ol' days.
:)
thank you! I liked to make little ridiculous stories from the life of Onion. One time Onion dressed up like a Hell's Angel with fake tattoos and went into their bar with his Honda. It didn't end well for him and his Honda wound up in a dumpster.
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: -gg- on July 01, 2022, 08:39:16 AM
one more from Onion at FW
A bit of unpleasantness this morning.
I headed (walked) over to visit my neighbor Leanard this morning to say hi and such and found him in a bad way.
He's got this nice wooded porch that goes all the way around his house. So I walked up the steps onto the porch and found Lenny lying face down clutching the morning newspaper. I was shocked. I turned him over to check him and he was stone cold and stiff a board. He must have had a heart attack cause his mouth and eyes was wide open like he was screaming or something.
At first I didn't know what to do so I sat down a few minutes to gather my self together. Then I went to the garage and brought his compressor over to my place ( he always told me if anything ever happened to him that he wanted me to have the compressor), then walked back over to Lenny.
I had to call authorities butt I don't want to get involved in any of this toejam. Lucky for me he had his cell phone on him. I took the newspaper out of his hand (he was really grabbing it strong) and then I dialed 911 from his cell phone, put it in his hand and hauled bellybutton back to my place. It's gonna look like he died while calling for help.
I kept looking out the window at Lenny's place and about 35 minutes later the cops showed up. Big scene and all, so I walked over to ask them what was going on. They asked me if I knew Lenny and I said of course, he is my neighor. I told them that I was just visiting with him this morning and he seemed fine. Then they asked me what time I saw him this morning and I caught myself and told them I never said I saw him this morning, I meant I saw him a few days ago. Then I acted like I was breaking down crying and went home.
A few munites later an abulence showed up and I filmed them (with my cellphone) wheeling Lenny's body out to the meat wagon.
What a way to greet the new year.....with a almost new compressor.
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: decoy on July 01, 2022, 03:17:22 PM
I wonder how Zach feels about getting his thread hijacked.
Trolling in here is easier than most, but it's nothing like those creampuffs on FB.
Best joke today: I took my dog, Jack, out last night to go to the bathroom, but it was so dark I couldn't see Jack toejam. I just found out that 'toejam' is the codeword for the more scattalogical version of the word 'poop.'
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: decoy on July 01, 2022, 03:25:12 PM
I used to have a very close friend who, when we were getting on an elevator, if the doors opened and there was another person inside, would start a story such as:
So, three o'clock in the morning, right and my doorbell is ringing like a fire alarm. I opened the door and it's William and he says, 'You gotta help me, I just killed Betty!' so I told him to calm down while I got dressed. Anyway, we went over to his house and there was Betty with this huge knife sticking out of her chest and I said, 'You killed her with my hunting knife'... and so on and so forth until we either got to our floor or the other person, or people, go off.
John, we called him Big John, was a great friend. Sadly, he died of a heart attack in 1992 at the age of 37
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: Meatwad on July 01, 2022, 03:29:57 PM
Trolling - britney the wounded doe and the peta forum
That was fun
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: guncrasher on July 01, 2022, 03:57:03 PM
You're not trolling. Trolling is an art, not just tossing out one-line insults.
A troll will bait with a good, often ridiculous BS story that get's people in a tizzy.
so am i still gonna be fed? lazy dog has some of the worst food in rancho. great drinks though and good atmosphere. plus you can bring your dog.
but I don't understand why you thought I lived in orange county. I'm not white or rich enough mentioned many times I am Canadian live 5 miles from Ontario.
semp
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: Shuffler on July 01, 2022, 04:19:28 PM
I am now getting bored of trolling you people :rofl
Covid Roe Ukraine Trump Coup
Thank goodness for the class system, pity I have to associate with the masses.
Lock down in the UK was bliss
:rofl
Your trolling motor only has a two bladed prop. :D
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: -gg- on July 01, 2022, 05:14:27 PM
Yeah I'll buy you lunch or whatever. Let's do it!
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: Vulcan on July 01, 2022, 06:43:02 PM
Meh on a hunting forum I posted about how I bagged my first deer, then posted a picture of a brown goat.
On another cooking forum I posted a recipe for roast cat, then used pictures of a Hare I'd roasted (you guys call them jack rabbits I think). That one got me multiple death threats (imho death threats is peak troll).
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: -gg- on July 01, 2022, 06:52:43 PM
Do you guys remember Airhead. He passed away a few months ago. Knew him for a good 20 years. He was a great troll. Never mean and never at anyone's personal expense. Just very funny.
He used to "raid' other forums. Like Stripperweb and PETA.
On PETA he posted a story about how he hit a deer with his truck, then tool it home to nurse it back to health. The thread went on for awhile. Eventually the deer was getting better. After awhile he said that he had fallen in love with it, had sex with it and then it died.
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: Chris79 on July 02, 2022, 07:50:11 AM
Meh on a hunting forum I posted about how I bagged my first deer, then posted a picture of a brown goat.
On another cooking forum I posted a recipe for roast cat, then used pictures of a Hare I'd roasted (you guys call them jack rabbits I think). That one got me multiple death threats (imho death threats is peak troll).
I’ve noticed that skinned cat and skinned rabbit looks similar. Rabbit had much batter flavor and is less greasy though.
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: -gg- on July 02, 2022, 07:55:37 AM
I miss Onion. lol
Quote
Been making BIG money on Windows 10. Read on, my friends.
So my best friend comes to me crying because his Windows 7 laptop had a "virus". The thing would try to do windoze updates and then the updates would fail and it would sit there for a diddlyin hour saying "update didn't work, reverting to old Windows7".
Finally the dumb motherfuker brought the thing to me because he knows I can fix that toejam. So I tell him he needs to leave it with me. I wait two days (didn't do nothing to his computer) and called him. I told him the only way to fix it is to get Windows 10 and that was gonna cost him 249.00 plus my time to put it on. So he cries about how he can hardly afford to buy his daughter shoes for school, that he has to borrow his mom's car to go to his job and that he felt like he was having a breakdown from all the stress. I told him the price just went up to $259.00 and that if he didn't stop with the whining his computer might accidently get bricked. Payment up front. No exceptions. His old-ass mom was at my door with the cash the next day and even she tried to roadkill me about how she was paying for this and that she really couldn't afford it. blah blah blah. Whatever.
So the squeak leaves and I pop in my FREE windows 10 upgrade disc and have the computer working perfect in less than 30 minutes. HAHA. Easy diddlying money. So that started my idea and now I've done four of these updates for other people. Gotta love America.
E=MC2
'One never knew the moment when the warning cry 'Gardyloo'... might ring out, following which would come in quick succession an avalanche of unmentionable filth on to the footpath – or the passer-by.'" — Jonathan Yeager, Enlightened Evangelicalism
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: Shuffler on July 02, 2022, 09:31:15 AM
Meh on a hunting forum I posted about how I bagged my first deer, then posted a picture of a brown goat.
On another cooking forum I posted a recipe for roast cat, then used pictures of a Hare I'd roasted (you guys call them jack rabbits I think). That one got me multiple death threats (imho death threats is peak troll).
BBQ jackalope. :D
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: decoy on July 02, 2022, 01:53:04 PM
I’ve noticed that skinned cat and skinned rabbit looks similar. Rabbit had much batter flavor and is less greasy though.
Honest story. In high school, we knew an old black guy that, if you carried him a dead rabbit or tow, preferably cleaned, he'd buy a six-pack of beer for every rabbit. So we were all country boys and it wasn't anything to pop two or three rabbits, clean up and take to Robert, who we called 'Snaps' for some reason. One Saturday there were no rabbits, so we killed two feral cats. Once they're skinned and with the tail off, they look exactly like a rabbit, but a cat's breast is flat and rabbits breast is round. Snaps was good about it and even would buy the beer early and ice it down for us. But he caught on to the cat ploy and got to where he wouldn't take a rabbit unless it still had the head on.
Back in 1973-76, when turned 18 and could buy beer legally.
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: guncrasher on July 02, 2022, 02:10:53 PM
imagine if I had posted on knorb question, that I have actually ate fetal cells and they were delicious.
and yet, I won't eat pancakes, mac and cheese, anything with syrup and rarely chocolate. that's just nasty.
semp
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: Chris79 on July 02, 2022, 07:55:57 PM
Honest story. In high school, we knew an old black guy that, if you carried him a dead rabbit or tow, preferably cleaned, he'd buy a six-pack of beer for every rabbit. So we were all country boys and it wasn't anything to pop two or three rabbits, clean up and take to Robert, who we called 'Snaps' for some reason. One Saturday there were no rabbits, so we killed two feral cats. Once they're skinned and with the tail off, they look exactly like a rabbit, but a cat's breast is flat and rabbits breast is round. Snaps was good about it and even would buy the beer early and ice it down for us. But he caught on to the cat ploy and got to where he wouldn't take a rabbit unless it still had the head on.
Back in 1973-76, when turned 18 and could buy beer legally.
Sounds like high quality “roof rabbit” to me.
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: -gg- on July 02, 2022, 07:57:36 PM
Honest story. In high school, we knew an old black guy that, if you carried him a dead rabbit or tow, preferably cleaned, he'd buy a six-pack of beer for every rabbit. So we were all country boys and it wasn't anything to pop two or three rabbits, clean up and take to Robert, who we called 'Snaps' for some reason. One Saturday there were no rabbits, so we killed two feral cats. Once they're skinned and with the tail off, they look exactly like a rabbit, but a cat's breast is flat and rabbits breast is round. Snaps was good about it and even would buy the beer early and ice it down for us. But he caught on to the cat ploy and got to where he wouldn't take a rabbit unless it still had the head on.
Back in 1973-76, when turned 18 and could buy beer legally.
Haha. You rotten kids! 😂
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: -gg- on July 02, 2022, 08:21:30 PM
I'm super bored today as well. Had a minorly bad day that got me slightly depressed.
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: Dichotomy on July 02, 2022, 08:46:05 PM
Do you guys remember Airhead. He passed away a few months ago. Knew him for a good 20 years. He was a great troll. Never mean and never at anyone's personal expense. Just very funny.
He used to "raid' other forums. Like Stripperweb and PETA.
On PETA he posted a story about how he hit a deer with his truck, then tool it home to nurse it back to health. The thread went on for awhile. Eventually the deer was getting better. After awhile he said that he had fallen in love with it, had sex with it and then it died.
Ahh how well I do remember :)
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: Dichotomy on July 02, 2022, 08:52:24 PM
I am now getting bored of trolling you people :rofl
Covid Roe Ukraine Trump Coup
Thank goodness for the class system, pity I have to associate with the masses.
Lock down in the UK was bliss
:rofl
Well I suppose it's good that you amuse yourself because, from what I see, you amuse no one else. That said I'd recommend that you head over to Reddit. It's a playground full of a lot of people you can annoy. Make it a hobby and see how long it takes you to annoy the mods enough to have your account banned. Then just get a new email address and make another account. That should amuse someone like you.
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: Brooke on July 03, 2022, 01:15:54 AM
What's all this about Zack claiming he is a board?
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: Shuffler on July 03, 2022, 04:38:23 AM
Well I suppose it's good that you amuse yourself because, from what I see, you amuse no one else. That said I'd recommend that you head over to Reddit. It's a playground full of a lot of people you can annoy. Make it a hobby and see how long it takes you to annoy the mods enough to have your account banned. Then just get a new email address and make another account. That should amuse someone like you.
What you angry over a cartoon game for?
I have been banned from Youtube numerous times for insulting the Socialist workers party in the UK.
I toss and turn all night :rofl
People like you are hilarious.
Windy walks are good for anger issues
But not with men :rofl
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: morfiend on July 04, 2022, 04:33:32 PM
Two things your country could do with, decent meat pies and a proper cup of tea. It's no wonder you're all nuts and running around with guns. I spent 10 days in Texas once, first thing I did when I got home was get a nice hot steak and cheese pie.
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: Mano on July 07, 2022, 03:26:08 PM
He will have more time now to come his hair. :rofl
Two things your country could do with, decent meat pies and a proper cup of tea.
We have good pies here and there. Where I used to live, there was a British Pub (The Three Lions), with great pies (steak and mushroom, steak and kidney), Lancashire pasties, great bangers and mash, and British beer.
Where I live now, there seem to be a bunch of Irish pubs. I haven't sampled their pies yet. My wife says, "Let's go to O'Fighty's for some pub food."
Tea -- you can get that shipped to you anywhere. I'm going to make myself some now that you mention it.
In the US, stay away from Lipton's tea. It tastes worse than Zack's gym socks. I can't say how I know that.
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: RotBaron on July 07, 2022, 07:50:31 PM
UK equivalent of a RINO, no biggie.
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: Vulcan on July 07, 2022, 09:21:05 PM
Tea -- you can get that shipped to you anywhere. I'm going to make myself some now that you mention it.
It's more wherever I went that had tea had some sort of horrific vanilla flavoured milk. Oh and your cheese is so disappointing (especially that orange gunk that tastes like Lego-man turd), not to mention the way bread is sweetened (which is why in some countries american 'bread' cannot legally be called bread).
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: -gg- on July 07, 2022, 09:25:12 PM
I believe there's any kind of cheese available here that there is anywhere else. Same with bread. Lol. I don't eat a lot of bread or carbohydrates but when I do have bread it's sourdough bread. I love sourdough bread. And real butter.
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: Brooke on July 07, 2022, 11:05:14 PM
It's more wherever I went that had tea had some sort of horrific vanilla flavoured milk. Oh and your cheese is so disappointing (especially that orange gunk that tastes like Lego-man turd), not to mention the way bread is sweetened (which is why in some countries american 'bread' cannot legally be called bread).
There are many horrible foods.
But you can get great stuff, too. It depends on what you order and where you go.
If you are ever in Nashville, Tennessee -- you let your pal Brooke know, and he will take you out for some great food and drink. :aok
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: sparky127 on July 07, 2022, 11:56:58 PM
I never laughed so hard as the time Onion told us about watching MJ's funeral with his daughter. That was great.
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: DmonSlyr on July 08, 2022, 05:50:03 AM
Boris was compromised after he got Covid. He was not the same. Did many things to support the EU globalist after that. I was suspicious about it. However, there is a rumor that maybe something bad about him is coming out today, wouldn't surprise me as his whole cabinet abruptly resigned. We elected Trump to beat Hillary and dems. He actually did a fantastic job. You should be happy that hildabeast didn't win.
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: Eagler on July 08, 2022, 06:07:26 AM
He and trump were the best choices at the time per the voting public but were despised by their peers on both sides
You guys going to bail on brexit next?
The EU is hoping you join their sheet show again
Eagler
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: LCADolby on July 08, 2022, 06:52:54 AM
Onion was too obvious-a troll. :old: :banana:
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: -gg- on July 08, 2022, 07:28:55 AM
Onion was just a means of telling funny stories. Although Ack Ack fell for one and Boroda another.
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: -gg- on July 08, 2022, 07:29:52 AM
Boris was compromised after he got Covid. He was not the same. Did many things to support the EU globalist after that. I was suspicious about it. However, there is a rumor that maybe something bad about him is coming out today, wouldn't surprise me as his whole cabinet abruptly resigned. We elected Trump to beat Hillary and dems. He actually did a fantastic job. You should be happy that hildabeast didn't win.
I have no particular love of Hillary, but I'll "happy" once Trump is indicted. Or at least highly amused.
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: Eagler on July 08, 2022, 08:43:35 AM
You do see why they are witch hunting trump right?
Has nothing to do with any criminal activity - they are all guilty of that - but more to keep any outsider from crashing their exclusive corrupt dc party and exposing their corruption..
I say we start with trump and have a week long tv trial for each and everyone of them including potato heads family...
Eagler
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: CptTrips on July 08, 2022, 09:11:48 AM
If you got a case against them you can prove in court, charge them. I could care less.
You could not care less?
Do you complain about cheating in game?
It would not be a surprise you are one of those who do.
Trump is implicated is the sinking of the Titanic
Johnson the British PM had resigned because a homo member of Parliament grabbed the rear end of another homo member of Parliament while intoxicated in the free bar in Parliament.
At least in the UK we are aware they are degenerates.
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: Eagler on July 08, 2022, 10:06:45 AM
Yes. For the same reasons that your claims of widespread voter fraud will never see a jury.
You don't have any substantial evidence that will hold up to the rigor of a courtroom. Just fringe internet forum jabber.
But I'm sure that plays well on Breitbart forums.
[Edit] Now with Hunter you might actually find something. If you do and can prove your case to a federal jury, then rock on. But that is an issue that isn't really of national importance. Hunter is not running for anything.
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: CptTrips on July 08, 2022, 11:09:45 AM
Poor Zack. Watching your Brexit hero get unceremoniously booted...how humiliating that must be for you.
On the bright side, it will pale in comparison to the humiliation of many on this side of the pond watching the Mango Mussolini get led into a courtroom in shackles and an orange jumpsuit to match his hair and spray-on tan.
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: Brooke on July 08, 2022, 11:14:52 AM
I have no particular love of Hillary, but I'll "happy" once Trump is indicted. Or at least highly amused.
So you don't care that Hillary signed off on selling Uranium to Russia while taking all of the money for that for her foundation? I just dont get you people at all.
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: CptTrips on July 08, 2022, 11:22:40 AM
You feel that if a judge denies the case, it is the same as not having substantial evidence. But it's not.
You feel that thinking you have substantial evidence is the same thing as having it.
If your case is denied by a judge, your case must have no merit or you haven't met the basic criteria. Get a better lawyer and refile or accept that you are full of it. We have rule of law for a reason. The criteria for having a case heard are there for a reason. File a case that has merit. Work within the law.
Or I guess patch together a violent mob and just try and overthrow the government. I hear that works out well.
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: CptTrips on July 08, 2022, 11:23:59 AM
So you don't care that Hillary signed off on selling Uranium to Russia while taking all of the money for that for her foundation? I just dont get you people at all.
I'll care when you get a federal conviction for any law she has broken.
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: guncrasher on July 08, 2022, 11:48:36 AM
So you don't care that Hillary signed off on selling Uranium to Russia while taking all of the money for that for her foundation? I just dont get you people at all.
How many lbs of uranium has been sent to Russia?
I'll save you the fake links. Not one ounce. And the sale was to a Canadian company, of which a Russian company had a minority stake.
But let's talk about how putin gave millions of dollars to trump. Using your logic, trumps son or son in law, forget which, said they didn't need american banks to get loans, they could get all the loans from Russian banks. So Putin gave trump millions.
Semp
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: DmonSlyr on July 08, 2022, 11:49:42 AM
At this point, I'm ready for a mob of about 10M citizens to go take out the DC trash like the founding fathers encouraged us to do when a corrupt regime tries to undermine and sell us out.
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: CptTrips on July 08, 2022, 11:53:46 AM
Didn't the founding fathers included something about treason in the constitution? To stop exactly what you are proposing?
Semp
No, they actually encouraged it, as they knew all governments become corrupted and therfore need a good cleaning out. They went to war with England because even they knew that they could not convince England in words to just let them have a new country. Same with the Civil War. At some point they realized there was no point in debating any longer and war was the only option. Treason, is selling your country out to foreign entities that attempt to threaten the sovereignty of a nation. In other words, the democrats and RINOs selling out to the NWO to threaten and undermine American sovereignty.
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: Eagler on July 08, 2022, 12:26:14 PM
Yes. For the same reasons that your claims of widespread voter fraud will never see a jury.
You don't have any substantial evidence that will hold up to the rigor of a courtroom. Just fringe internet forum jabber.
But I'm sure that plays well on Breitbart forums.
[Edit] Now with Hunter you might actually find something. If you do and can prove your case to a federal jury, then rock on. But that is an issue that isn't really of national importance. Hunter is not running for anything.
Potato head has illegal activities tied to his crackhead son hunter but they will not investigate those crimes?
Why?
Instead they hold fake tv trials starting with bs russian collision horse poopy and continuing with the 1/6 noise...
All I am asking for is a balanced justice system but now seems to be slanted to one particular side which I and many others find disturbing if not criminal
They won't even explore the criminal activity described on the laptop...and the only reason anyone can see for that is its tie to mumbling potato head...can't imagine the paranoia some feel when they think of corrupt senile joe on the witness stand..without a teleprompter or notes to tell him how to lie..
Eagler
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: CptTrips on July 08, 2022, 12:27:31 PM
You feel that if a judge denies the case, it is the same as not having substantial evidence. But it's not.
To help clarify the discussion, can you refer me to the specific court filing of which of Trump's 63 lawsuits where they claimed massive voter fraud that you feel showed substantial evidence that was ignored by the judge?
Generic waving of hands around can waste a lot of time on speculation. Can you refer me to the exact case number you are worried about so we can actually look up the ruling in question? That might be more illuminating.
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: Eagler on July 08, 2022, 12:38:05 PM
If the dems sweep in November would you be ready to investigate that election properly?
Probably not as it would show what was possible 2 years before then
All sides in dc wanted the mean orange tweeter out regardless of how well everything was going..
As that is what they got they are happy with the results and have no need to investigate..
Do you think the republicans want to be held responsible for the coming recession/depression?
They'd rather just make nothing noise and blame the crazy left..
Political theater...all of it.
Eagler
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: DmonSlyr on July 08, 2022, 12:42:30 PM
I'll save you the fake links. Not one ounce. And the sale was to a Canadian company, of which a Russian company had a minority stake.
But let's talk about how putin gave millions of dollars to trump. Using your logic, trumps son or son in law, forget which, said they didn't need american banks to get loans, they could get all the loans from Russian banks. So Putin gave trump millions.
Semp
Wait wait wait. You are very confused. Trump was a PRIVATE business man. Not a politician serving America. Russia had no idea that Trump would run for president and Trump certainly didnt take any kickbacks from Russia when he was representing America, like Hillary and her foundation did. Secondly, "sold it to a Canadian company where a russian company had a minority stake". That is literally a state department official signing off on Uranium going to a partially owned Russian and Canadian "company". What was all that about the "Russian reset"? How did Iran get Uranium too? Why was Obama allowed to ship them billions in cash? Why no investigation? Why is only one republican 4 years pres being investigated? Sure does sound like a soviet hit on Trump to me backed by a bunch of war criminals who don't want to be exposed. Wouldn't you say?
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: Brooke on July 08, 2022, 01:16:47 PM
You feel that thinking you have substantial evidence is the same thing as having it.
I looked at stuff and have an opinion based on my background knowledge.
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If your case is denied by a judge, your case must have no merit or you haven't met the basic criteria.
It means one particular human felt that it had no merit. Or wanted it precluded for other reasons.
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Work within the law.
That is best when it works.
There is an excellent book, Three Felonies A Day: How the Feds Target the Innocent, by Silverglate (forward by Dershowitz), that goes through a lot of examples of it not working.
Lots of people think that the legal system is sufficiently forthright. Me, I think it's got plenty of aspects that are like politics and the making of sausage.
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Or I guess patch together a violent mob and just try and overthrow the government. I hear that works out well.
Usually not the best. But there are occasional counter examples, such as the founding of the US.
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: CptTrips on July 08, 2022, 01:39:20 PM
You mean when you got the result you wanted. Kinda like how elections are fraudulent unless your guy wins. Funny how human nature works. ;)
So, what was the case number for the Trump lawsuit where he claimed massive voter fraud and had substantial evidence that the judge refused to look at?
Can you point the exact case in question so we can look it up?
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: guncrasher on July 08, 2022, 01:44:07 PM
Wait wait wait. You are very confused. Trump was a PRIVATE business man. Not a politician serving America. Russia had no idea that Trump would run for president and Trump certainly didnt take any kickbacks from Russia when he was representing America, like Hillary and her foundation did. Secondly, "sold it to a Canadian company where a russian company had a minority stake". That is literally a state department official signing off on Uranium going to a partially owned Russian and Canadian "company". What was all that about the "Russian reset"? How did Iran get Uranium too? Why was Obama allowed to ship them billions in cash? Why no investigation? Why is only one republican 4 years pres being investigated? Sure does sound like a soviet hit on Trump to me backed by a bunch of war criminals who don't want to be exposed. Wouldn't you say?
No, I would say it but you would. Also never said trump took money or got kickbacks, you did.
All I said is using your logic then putin gave money to trump, but I was referring to loans.
But let's talk honestly, how much uranium went to Russia, did you said none? So uranium deal is like selling the empire state building. They can mine it, but not take it out of the country.
So next time, you post about Clinton foundation, ask yourself, what happened to the trump foundation?
Semp
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: guncrasher on July 08, 2022, 01:49:32 PM
No, they actually encouraged it, as they knew all governments become corrupted and therfore need a good cleaning out. They went to war with England because even they knew that they could not convince England in words to just let them have a new country. Same with the Civil War. At some point they realized there was no point in debating any longer and war was the only option. Treason, is selling your country out to foreign entities that attempt to threaten the sovereignty of a nation. In other words, the democrats and RINOs selling out to the NWO to threaten and undermine American sovereignty.
Make sure you tell them that on your way to jail.
semp
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: DmonSlyr on July 08, 2022, 01:56:56 PM
No, I would say it but you would. Also never said trump took money or got kickbacks, you did.
All I said is using your logic then putin gave money to trump, but I was referring to loans.
But let's talk honestly, how much uranium went to Russia, did you said none? So uranium deal is like selling the empire state building. They can mine it, but not take it out of the country.
So next time, you post about Clinton foundation, ask yourself, what happened to the trump foundation?
Semp
Just stop. You haven't a clue what you are talking about.
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: CptTrips on July 08, 2022, 02:09:25 PM
The book was written by Peter Schweizer. So why do you pretend that Hillary Dindnu nuffin? Where is the investigations? Yet you want to go after a 4 year pres.... you give her and Bill a pass? Why.... why do they get a pass? Are you telling me there is no corruption?
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: DmonSlyr on July 08, 2022, 02:10:56 PM
Why didn't the Trump DOJ charge her with something? They had 4 years.
Trump DOJ started the John Durham investigation. It will lead to them eventually. Let's hope, because we all know they were involved in trying to frame Russia and use Russia as a proxy for their insurrection against Trump and his supporters.
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: CptTrips on July 08, 2022, 02:14:06 PM
Trump DOJ started the John Durham investigation. It will lead to them eventually.
Oh, "eventually".
Well, let us know when that indictment comes down. Fine with me. I'll make more popcorn.
Will that be before or after Trump does the perp walk?
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: CptTrips on July 08, 2022, 02:31:40 PM
Oh, and DmonSlyr, out of curiosity, assuming Trump isn't in the pen getting shanked and gang-raped nightly before the 2024 election cycle , when Desantis and Trump start slashing each other with straight razors for the nomination, which one will you back?
Personally, I don't care as long as there is lots of blood. Muhhahaha.
Oh, and DmonSlyr, out of curiosity, assuming Trump isn't in the pen getting shanked and gang-raped nightly before the 2024 election cycle , when Desantis and Trump start slashing each other with straight razors for the nomination, which one will you back?
Personally, I don't care as long as there is lots of blood. Muhhahaha.
DeSantis should not run this time. He's young and has plenty of time. It would all be for show if he did. He won't have close to the support as Trump if they compete. You will see. DeSantis needs to protect Florida for the time being, and then run in the next election. He won't have enough outside of FL momentum like Trump does if he tries to run against Trump. So with that, I'm supporting Trump for sure.
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: DmonSlyr on July 08, 2022, 02:44:20 PM
Looks like another Dem is actually doing the perpwalking LOL.
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: CptTrips on July 08, 2022, 02:51:57 PM
DmonSlyr on COVID: "Less than a hundred dead total! Over by March." :rofl
Probably would have been if it didn't first start in a liberal city in Bill Gates back yard...you realize that China and the US aren't the same in terms of cleanliness and first world living conditions right?
Maybe you could remind me again about how bioweapons were created in a lab using our tax dollars and then "accidently" releases during an election year? And then spreading the lie propaganda in world media that it stared in a Wet Market. Sure is crazy to me how you don't want to take down these labs but then attack the people who do.
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: CptTrips on July 08, 2022, 03:30:37 PM
Probably would have been if it didn't first start in a liberal city in Bill Gates back yard...you realize that China and the US aren't the same in terms of cleanliness and first world living conditions right?
Maybe you could remind me again about how bioweapons were created in a lab using our tax dollars and then "accidently" releases during an election year? And then spreading the lie propaganda in world media that it stared in a Wet Market. Sure is crazy to me how you don't want to take down these labs but then attack the people who do.
you do understand trump losing is your own fault right? and I mean you personally.
since Clinton, Obama, biden, all democrats, most billionaires, were under secret military indictments and you failed to carry them out.
but now you trying blame something else for your ineptitude. oh no, it's the pandemic, Italian satellite, Chinese paper, the machines switched votes.
next time you have indictments use them!
semp
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: Eagler on July 08, 2022, 04:15:51 PM
Bet a nickel trump will not run in 2024 nor ever again
The left and his buddies on the right have made him damaged goods
The political landscape looks bleak imo ... on both sides
Best to hope for is split power as expected after November
Eagler
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: Brooke on July 08, 2022, 04:37:30 PM
You mean when you got the result you wanted. Kinda like how elections are fraudulent unless your guy wins. Funny how human nature works. ;)
I'm not complaining that a suit went forward and plaintiffs lost. (And I've thought there has been fraud even when it wasn't my choice candidate.)
I'm complaining about suits that were not allowed to go forward. Because then, no one sees discovery and full evidence.
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So, what was the case number for the Trump lawsuit where he claimed massive voter fraud and had substantial evidence that the judge refused to look at?
Can you point the exact case in question so we can look it up?
I'll give it a go and see if I can find suitable details.
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: CptTrips on July 08, 2022, 05:10:50 PM
I'll give it a go and see if I can find suitable details.
That will be interesting. I await the results.
I know of a couple of cases where the judge flat out asked Giuliani if he was alleging voter fraud had occurred, and he nearly fell over himself saying, "Oh no, no, no your honor. I'm not alleging that!"
Because you can talk all the crap you want on Tucker Carlson but people tend to think better of it when standing in front of a federal judge.
Others were dismissed because the evidence presented in the filling was so ridiculous that it could be dismissed out of hand. Completely inadmissible crap like, "I heard from a guy, that heard from a guy, that talked to a guy in bar that said he saw something on the internet that definitely looked fishy."
Or "these stats sure look fishy." You don't bring crap like that into a federal court. Maybe law enforcement might like to start an investigation based on stuff like that, but you better not be filing before federal judge with a bunch of internet conspiracy rumor horse crap. That's a good way to get deservedly professionally sanctioned. Or just get your law license suspended like Giuliani.
Some were dismissed because of lack of standing. I mean it's like 1st year law stuff. Even laymen ought to get that you can't sue over something you are not a party to. Where did these Trump lawyers get their licenses? From a Cracker-Jack box?
I think there were 63 Trump lawsuits filed. I think he won 1 on some minor process issue. many of those were in front of conservative judges and many were in fact in front of Trump appointees. You didn't get the results you wanted so you claim the system is rigged.
So after about case 30 or so I stopped paying attention. I saw nothing in any of them that looked like there was any there there. Apparently 62 federal judges agreed. I'm sure they had a different opinion over on the Q-Anon forums.
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: Eagler on July 08, 2022, 05:29:39 PM
It was ingeniously executed I will give them that...covid set it up nicely
With media not questioning any of it of course it is a done deal imo
Eagler
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: Brooke on July 08, 2022, 05:50:39 PM
So, what was the case number for the Trump lawsuit where he claimed massive voter fraud and had substantial evidence that the judge refused to look at?
Can you point the exact case in question so we can look it up?
To be clear, judges do read initial complaints. It's not like they don't read it.
Also, when a case is rejected, there are usually legal reasons listed. They don't say "I refuse to look at this and reject it because I'm a partisan hack."
What I'm looking at are cases that have solid initial evidence (in my opinion, of course) but are rejected. Thus, they never go to court, there is no discovery and development of further evidence, and citizens never get to see an exploration of whether or not the full evidence is solid or not.
A couple of examples:
Costantino et al v. City of Detroit et al
Texas v. Pennsylvania, 592 U.S. ___ (2020)
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: CptTrips on July 08, 2022, 06:03:10 PM
You can't sue over something you are not a party too.
I can't sue a pizza company in New Jersey that screwed up a guys order in New Jersey. I'm not the Pizza company and I'm not the customer.
It's like that old SNL skit about suing for bystander trauma. "No your honor, I was not involved in the accident but I saw it from across the street and felt traumatized so I'm suing." :rofl
And it's not like they were even claiming any dark evidence of Venezuelans hacking into voting machine. The whole thing was Texas not liking how PA scheduled their voting.
Hardly a smoking gun of ballots with Chinese bamboo in them, right?
So where is all that substantial evidence here of the Chinese changing vote tallies?
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: Brooke on July 08, 2022, 06:12:51 PM
I'm not sure it will be that interesting. I think you'll look at the reason for the rejection and say, "Well, here's a bunch of reasons it was rejected." Which we all know beforehand.
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I know of a couple of cases where the judge flat out asked Giuliani if he was alleging voter fraud had occurred, and he nearly fell over himself saying, "Oh no, no, no your honor. I'm not alleging that!"
Proving fraud is much harder than many other things. If you have something easier, you go for that.
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crap like, "I heard from a guy, that heard from a guy, that talked to a guy in bar that said he saw something on the internet that definitely looked fishy."
You and I both consider that too weak.
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Or "these stats sure look fishy."
Again, too weak.
But:
"These stats sure look fishy. In fact, here is a statistical analysis that shows this is many standard deviations from the norm."
That's the way you discover cheating, embezzlement, that smoking increases risk of lung cancer, crack WWII enemy codes, etc.
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Some were dismissed because of lack of standing. I mean it's like 1st year law stuff. Even laymen ought to get that you can't sue over something you are not a party to.
Some uses of that are not so simplistic and clear cut.
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You didn't get the results you wanted so you claim the system is rigged.
Yes. But there are times when a system is actually rigged.
I would say many systems with money in them (unless transparent and audited enough) are likely to get rigged. That, too, is human nature.
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So after about case 30 or so I stopped paying attention.
Totally reasonable.
But as a data guy, to me, there is a lot in the last election that smells very bad. More even than hanging chads or elections involving Johnson.
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: CptTrips on July 08, 2022, 06:24:47 PM
And the other?
"The court found that the affidavits supplied by plaintiffs, purporting fraud, were "rife" with generalization, speculation, hearsay, and a lack of evidentiary basis. The court held that the evidence supports no credible finding of fraud at the TCF Center. Furthermore, the injunctive relief plaintiffs ask for, against certification of Wayne County results, would amount to judicial activism in light of the other remedies available. The court denied the injunction."
i.e. I heard it from a guy, that heard it from a guy, that saw someone say on the internet that something was fishy.
If they had evidence of illegal vote manipulation, take it to a DA. They had no documents, they had no video tapes, They had no emails, all just I heard it from a guy that heard it from a guy hearsay.
The appellant court agreed.
Is that it? Where are the suits claiming millions of votes changed by Venezuelan hackers printing on Chinese bamboo ballots? Where is the substantial evidence of hacking and vote manipulation? What about votes beamed in to secret servers in Italy? Don't you have real substantial evidence of anything juicy?
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: Brooke on July 08, 2022, 06:31:45 PM
You can't sue over something you are not a party too.
I know that.
And I understand the Court's reasoning.
I also understand the reasoning of the dissenting Justices who disagreed.
I also feel like a state does have standing in the Supreme Court if some other state screws it over. Because who is president affects states substantially, one state doing illegal stuff that changes the election seems to affect another state.
The Supreme Court has heard cases on election issues (Bush v. Gore, for example) before, and will hear more (Moore v. Harper upcoming).
The Supreme Court even ruled once that a farmer growing wheat on his own land for his own consumption as an interstate issue because: he would buy less wheat from others in his state, who then might sell it at different prices, which would then affect wheat prices overall, which then affects another state. (I think this tortured reasoning is pure BS -- but it gives you an idea of what, if the Court is so inclined, can be considered to affect another state.) Wickard v. Filburn
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: CptTrips on July 08, 2022, 06:48:19 PM
DmonSlyr, any relation?
So Trump launched SpaceX and the space age. That's quite an accomplishment.
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: CptTrips on July 08, 2022, 06:54:37 PM
So if all this evidence exists, why bother with civil suits?
Take your evidence to the appropriate DA\prosecutor. Start a criminal investigation.
Oh, wait, I know....
"Barr says he told Trump that election fraud claims were ‘bulls—‘" https://thehill.com/homenews/media/596750-barr-says-he-told-trump-that-election-fraud-claims-were-bulls/ (https://thehill.com/homenews/media/596750-barr-says-he-told-trump-that-election-fraud-claims-were-bulls/)
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: DmonSlyr on July 08, 2022, 07:00:31 PM
I know of a couple of cases where the judge flat out asked Giuliani if he was alleging voter fraud had occurred, and he nearly fell over himself saying, "Oh no, no, no your honor. I'm not alleging that!"
Because you can talk all the crap you want on Tucker Carlson but people tend to think better of it when standing in front of a federal judge.
Others were dismissed because the evidence presented in the filling was so ridiculous that it could be dismissed out of hand. Completely inadmissible crap like, "I heard from a guy, that heard from a guy, that talked to a guy in bar that said he saw something on the internet that definitely looked fishy."
Or "these stats sure look fishy." You don't bring crap like that into a federal court. Maybe law enforcement might like to start an investigation based on stuff like that, but you better not be filing before federal judge with a bunch of internet conspiracy rumor horse crap. That's a good way to get deservedly professionally sanctioned. Or just get your law license suspended like Giuliani.
Some were dismissed because of lack of standing. I mean it's like 1st year law stuff. Even laymen ought to get that you can't sue over something you are not a party to. Where did these Trump lawyers get their licenses? From a Cracker-Jack box?
I think there were 63 Trump lawsuits filed. I think he won 1 on some minor process issue. many of those were in front of conservative judges and many were in fact in front of Trump appointees. You didn't get the results you wanted so you claim the system is rigged.
So after about case 30 or so I stopped paying attention. I saw nothing in any of them that looked like there was any there there. Apparently 62 federal judges agreed. I'm sure they had a different opinion over on the Q-Anon forums.
And yet, we spent $42M tax payer dollars for an "investigation" by one intelligence official and his witch hunt dems in government to paint Trump as an asset for Russia to undermine that US election and sow doubt in the American people while framing another country for stealing election and you had 0 "proof" what so ever. How is that justified? We had hundreds if not thousands of more testimony and affidavits from citizens at these polling precincts than the Dems ever did. Where is our "Mueller?". Do you understand why I can't f(>,%>ing stand these people?
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: CptTrips on July 08, 2022, 07:02:46 PM
Where are the suits claiming millions of votes changed
I don't know if you could do it in one lawsuit. It would be the stitching together of numerous single-state cases into one multi-state result. Going for that would be the most-expensive, most time-consuming, and hardest way to go.
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Don't you have real substantial evidence of anything juicy?
To me, the substantial stuff is: -- Voting stats changing drastically and in highly suspicious ways (if you know data analysis). -- Voting stats changing drastically in the wee hours, away from observation. -- A system that is not transparent and not well auditable. -- Voting counted by proprietary, non-viewable machines/software supplied by private foreign company. -- Poll watchers barred from key locations. -- Affidavits on truckloads of ballot deliveries in the middle of the night. -- Affidavits on irregularities with ballots (wrong paper, no creases, computer replication, etc.). -- Lots of mandated video that is not available. -- 2000 Mules. -- Election rules changed contrary to law. -- New systems (ballet harvesting, drop-box use, ballot systems, etc.) that make fraud easier going into use shortly before election.
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: Brooke on July 08, 2022, 07:22:23 PM
What he said does not equal being a domestic terrorist. He did not say he would join them.
There are probably 10’s of thousands that feel this way and if another election looks highly fraudulent it just may happen. You can argue with Brooke about lawsuits all you want, but you can not explain entire precincts voting for one candidate and sometimes at near 100% voter turnout. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: CptTrips on July 08, 2022, 07:36:32 PM
The Supreme Court even ruled once that a farmer growing wheat on his own land for his own consumption as an interstate issue because: he would buy less wheat from others in his state, who then might sell it at different prices, which would then affect wheat prices overall, which then affects another state. (I think this tortured reasoning is pure BS -- but it gives you an idea of what, if the Court is so inclined, can be considered to affect another state.) Wickard v. Filburn
that case was only because he grew more than what he was allowed. the reasoning was 1 small farmer no biggie, thousands of farmers growing more than allowed will affect that price and affect the price. so it was interstate commerce.
semp
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: RotBaron on July 08, 2022, 08:03:52 PM
I don't need to. Go prove your case to the authorities. Get an indictment.
Not you specifically, I meant the proverbial “you”, no on is more apt can not explain those anomalies, but they were in heavy blue areas so why investigate…
If you ok with that then you’re part of the problem, it wouldn’t change the outcome but it is fraud…
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: CptTrips on July 08, 2022, 08:09:16 PM
It's not that I'm OK with it. It's that I'm not going to waste my time researching every Q-Anon idiots claims.
Take your claims and evidence to the appropriate authority and get convictions. They will determine the merit of your evidence.
If you get a conviction for some type voter fraud and I will agree with you that that was a very bad thing for someone to have done.
But people claim all kinds of crazy crap on the internet. So win a case in court and then let me know.
The one area that I have seen a lot written about is Philadelphia and have seen since ‘08.
I’m sure this partisan DOJ is too busy watching the kangaroo trial on TV. Speaking of, what makes you seem so certain charges are coming for Trump, as you and Brooke have gone back and forth in this thread with your point being accusations are no more than just that…?
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: Brooke on July 08, 2022, 08:44:19 PM
All you are doing is listing a bunch of Q-Anon forum baloney.
I feel the stuff I listed is legitimately concerning.
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If any of it had any real weight, you would have won suits or gotten successful criminal prosecutions.
From my experience with court cases, I think the real court system doesn't work as forthrightly.
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When you win suits and get convictions, I will take those claims seriously.
I hear you. That is reasonable.
To me, though, there are times when things are amiss, but there hasn't been a court case on it. And it is good for citizens at times to be suspicious when atypical stuff is going on.
I hope that citizens demand election processes that are transparent and easily auditable, and we get that. Instead of a system that has laughably huge vulnerabilities.
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I understand, throwing around stuff on the internet is a lot more fun. You can claim everything and prove nothing.
True.
But lots of things are proven by analysis instead of court results. Risks of smoking, earth is round not flat, etc.
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: Brooke on July 08, 2022, 08:47:39 PM
that case was only because he grew more than what he was allowed. the reasoning was 1 small farmer no biggie, thousands of farmers growing more than allowed will affect that price and affect the price. so it was interstate commerce.
semp
That Supreme Court decision was pure BS, in my opinion. A total overreach.
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: RotBaron on July 08, 2022, 09:01:07 PM
It's not that I'm OK with it. It's that I'm not going to waste my time researching every Q-Anon idiots claims.
I don’t nor have I ever spent any time with the Q-Anon stuff, actually I don’t believe I had ever heard of it until the O’Club forum rules were suspended and the free for all in 2020.
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: -gg- on July 08, 2022, 09:24:32 PM
Just curious. How many of you dems here voted for Biden?
Anyone willing to admit it?
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: guncrasher on July 08, 2022, 09:29:12 PM
Just curious. How many of you dems here voted for Biden?
Anyone willing to admit it?
First, I'm not a Dem.
Second, I'd even vote for YOU if that would keep that Orange Pig-God out of the oval office.
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: -gg- on July 08, 2022, 10:36:02 PM
Yeah. We can't have a guy that's pro-America and who wants to make us energy independent, slow illegal immigrants from pouring in and for holding our "allies" feet to the fire to make them carry their weight.
Instead lets vote for a senile fool that has stated his intent and has acted to lower American oil production, open the borders up wide, and has put actual unqualified freaks into appointed positions. A guy who pushes skin color over qualifications. Yeah. Good job guys.
This county is going right down the toejamter under the demented fool.
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: guncrasher on July 08, 2022, 10:51:47 PM
Yeah. We can't have a guy that's pro-America and who wants to make us energy independent, slow illegal immigrants from pouring in and for holding our "allies" feet to the fire to make them carry their weight.
Instead lets vote for a senile fool that has stated his intent and has acted to lower American oil production, open the borders up wide, and has put actual unqualified freaks into appointed positions. A guy who pushes skin color over qualifications. Yeah. Good job guys.
This county is going right down the toejamter under the demented fool.
wasn't trump president like 15 months ago?
semp
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: CptTrips on July 09, 2022, 09:21:13 AM
Yeah. We can't have a guy that's pro-America and who wants to make us energy independent, slow illegal immigrants from pouring in and for holding our "allies" feet to the fire to make them carry their weight.
First, shale had already made us net energy exporters before Trump was elected.
Second, I'm all for secure borders, but only an idiotic Yankee would think you are going to build a concrete wall across the entire southern border. And only low education reality tv fans would believe that tripe. Some urban areas need solid walling, other areas are best handled with fencing, but the vast majority of it is best handled with sensors and drone technology. It would take trillions of dollars to build a 3000 mile vanity wall. If you have ever hiked along the mountains in Big Bend National Park, you'd no how patently ridiculous the idea is. If you really want to stop illegal immigration you target the business owners that hire illegals with a wink and a nod because they like cheap labor. Tyson foods, etc. But that might anger donors so big business is off limits. Cut off the job opportunities and the border region is a non-issue. But the better approach over all is controlled and managed guest worker program. That would be better for a whole variety of reasons I'll leave to the reader to go research.
Regardless, we can discuss all those issues, but only if that steaming orange turd is not involved in the conversation. Put him in the mix and I will do anything in my power and vote for anyone that has a possibility of defeating him and his boot-lickers. Including voting for Biden whom I have never liked. But my dislike for Biden pales in comparison for the primal hate I have for the Orange Pig-God.
Frankly after having been a Republican voter my whole life until 2016, I no longer think the Republican party is salvageable. The Trump rot has gone too far. The gangrene has spread too deep. I think the intelligent, educated Republicans should split and form a New American Conservative Party, and all the ignorant, undereducated, authoritarian loving Trump filth can slither off to for a Trumpian American First Party.
Hint: Rightwing extremism isn't the same thing as Conservatism. The term has hijacked by the Trump authoritarians.
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: -gg- on July 09, 2022, 11:20:41 AM
First, shale had already made us net energy exporters before Trump was elected.
Second, I'm all for secure borders, but only an idiotic Yankee would think you are going to build a concrete wall across the entire southern border. And only low education reality tv fans would believe that tripe. Some urban areas need solid walling, other areas are best handled with fencing, but the vast majority of it is best handled with sensors and drone technology. It would take trillions of dollars to build a 3000 mile vanity wall. If you have ever hiked along the mountains in Big Bend National Park, you'd no how patently ridiculous the idea is. If you really want to stop illegal immigration you target the business owners that hire illegals with a wink and a nod because they like cheap labor. Tyson foods, etc. But that might anger donors so big business is off limits. Cut off the job opportunities and the border region is a non-issue. But the better approach over all is controlled and managed guest worker program. That would be better for a whole variety of reasons I'll leave to the reader to go research.
Regardless, we can discuss all those issues, but only if that steaming orange turd is not involved in the conversation. Put him in the mix and I will do anything in my power and vote for anyone that has a possibility of defeating him and his boot-lickers. Including voting for Biden whom I have never liked. But my dislike for Biden pales in comparison for the primal hate I have for the Orange Pig-God.
Frankly after having been a Republican voter my whole life until 2016, I no longer think the Republican party is salvageable. The Trump rot has gone too far. The gangrene has spread too deep. I think the intelligent, educated Republicans should split and form a New American Conservative Party, and all the ignorant, undereducated, authoritarian loving Trump filth can slither off to for a Trumpian American First Party.
Hint: Rightwing extremism isn't the same thing as Conservatism. The term has hijacked by the Trump authoritarians.
Strawman arguments. Typical.
I didn't say we were not energy independent and I said nothing about a border wall.
The point I made is that Trump was trying to secure the border. He wanted it secured and he enacted policies that were effective in slowing the crossings. Biden got in and reversed the policies and is knowingly allowing the border to leak like a sieve.
On energy independence, Trump wanted to produce more and he enacted policies to that end. Biden (like Obama) is openly hostile to "big oil" and has stated his intent to destroy the ability to produce that kind of energy.
So you voted for a team that is open borders and anti-oil and gas. That's an obvious fact. Just because Orange man bad.
Biden is depleting our strategic reserves and even sending some of it to Asia and Europe.
What I said is true. Trump wanted to address the border and to produce more oil and gas. Biden and the Democrats want just the opposite.
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: CptTrips on July 09, 2022, 11:32:38 AM
I voted for Biden simply because he was the best weapon I had at the moment to hurt Trump with. It implies zero agreement with any of his policies. My use for him ended exactly on Jan 7. As soon as he had served the purpose of removing Trump from office, I'm done with him. Put him and his son in prison for all I care. He was a tool I used for a purpose. Now I'm done with him.
If Trump was running as a dem and you put up a rational Republican against him, I'd be even happier voting for the real Republican. But I work with the options I have available.
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: -gg- on July 09, 2022, 11:42:37 AM
Again, you have strawman argument tendencies. Introducing irrelevant points.
I didn't ask you why you voted for Biden.
Everything I said is true, including that you voted for the team that wants open borders and to destroy "big oil".
So I'll say it again.
Trump wanted to close the borders and to produce more oil and gas. Trump was pro-Americans and pro-America.
Biden acted to reverse the Trump border policies and open the floodgates at the border. Biden wants to destroy oil and gas. Biden doesn't mind that oil prices are going up and has said he views this as a "wonderful opportunity" to force America intro "green" energy.
So you got what you wanted. No more bad Orange man.
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: CptTrips on July 09, 2022, 11:46:32 AM
Everything I said is true, including that you voted for the team that wants open borders and to destroy "big oil".
So I'll say it again.
Trump wanted to close the borders and to produce more oil and gas. Trump was pro-Americans and pro-America.
Biden acted to reverse the Trump border policies and open the floodgates at the border. Biden wants to destroy oil and gas. Biden doesn't mind that oil prices are going up and has said he views this as a "wonderful opportunity" to force America intro "green" energy.
So you got what you wanted. No more bad Orange man.
Claim ... no proof .... either way. Straw .... man.
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: Brooke on July 09, 2022, 01:49:33 PM
Yeah because gov projects never go over budget. :rolleyes:
And they are just estimating the wall material itself. There would have to be whole towns and highways that would need to be created from scratch to support that level of construction out in the middle of nowhere.
Have you spent a lot of time along the southern border?
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: guncrasher on July 09, 2022, 02:03:40 PM
I'm well read, highly educated, and authoritarian hating.
Brooke read your own links. that's only for 700 miles. doesn't include labor or land acquisition, and more important what's the point since it doesn't cover the entire border.
remember the wall trump built? a 100 dollar sawsawl could cut it.
semp
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: Brooke on July 09, 2022, 02:08:17 PM
I'm well read, highly educated, and authoritarian hating.
Then you would not be welcome in the American First Trump worship party. The first time you disagreed with the Orange Pig-God you would be banished as a RINO.
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: CptTrips on July 09, 2022, 02:12:10 PM
The article gives the $49B estimate as being much higher than the official government one.
And those estimates are also ridiculous.
Luckily we won't have to find out how much Trumps total vanity wall would cost us. We'll use much more reasonable approaches and Trump will die in prison.
Win-win.
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: -gg- on July 09, 2022, 02:24:46 PM
I find it astonishing that someone even admits to being a Biden man. LOL.
See that guy? That's Joe Biden. He's my guy!
Child sniffing, shower with his daughter, demented old man man.
:rolleyes:
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: Brooke on July 09, 2022, 02:24:57 PM
I find it astonishing that someone even admits to being a Biden man. LOL.
See that guy? That's Joe Biden. He's my guy!
Child sniffing, shower with his daughter, demented old man man.
:rolleyes:
I answered your question, immediately and graciously/politely. The least you could do is accept such in the same manner. If you were intent on baiting others to have an excuse to continue acting out then so be it.
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: guncrasher on July 09, 2022, 02:48:37 PM
Yes. In that proposed plan, the other parts are surveillance.
But for the full 2000 miles, take the cost for 700, multiply by 3.
"both of which could drive the price billions of dollars higher."
Point being: it is not $trillions. It is 1/10th of that.
59 billion x 3. plus labor, plus land acquisition and soon you are talking trillions. don't forget delivery costs, even home depot charges mileage. and don't forget lawsuits well because nobody wants land taken away. and don't forget costs of materials go up. then you need a places to set up the workers...
semp
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: -gg- on July 09, 2022, 02:49:06 PM
So we can give billions to other countries but we can't build a wall and secure our border?
Border security is not a Trump vanity project. Millions of Americans want that wall built and completed. ALL Americans should want that border secured, but apparently the Democrats do not want a secure border. They also do not want any form of voter ID.
By the way, the people who work the border love the wall and say its effective in slowing down the unstoppable flood into something they can manage.
Walls do work. Just like the walls around gated communities. No one is stupid enough to think walls are 100 percent secure, but they are a huge deterrant.
The border plan was for a wall, surveillance and a physical presence.
Do you think you can just walk in and out of North Korea?
Lots of countries have effective border walls and security. Not us - and you can always thank a democrat for that.
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: guncrasher on July 09, 2022, 02:55:07 PM
I'm not looking to start a fight. I'm honestly interested in why you hate him so deeply.
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Then you would not be welcome in the American First Trump worship party. The first time you disagreed with the Orange Pig-God you would be banished as a RINO.
I disagree.
I have lots of pals who hate Trump, and lots of pals who like Trump, and some in between.
I lived in left-leaning King County, WA for 20 years. I lived in right-leaning Williamson County, TN for the past year.
In my experience, it is by far the left-leaning regions and folks who are intolerant and hateful towards "the other side". Now, this is in my experience -- people I know and places I lived. It could of course be different for other folks and where they live.
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: -gg- on July 09, 2022, 03:06:58 PM
They can't point out any Trump policies that they despise. It's just a personal hatred of Trump himself. He could have secured the border, ended all war, and made everyone rich and they would have still wanted him gone so they can be flushed down the toilet under Biden.
That's how TDS works. Irrational and insane morons.
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: Brooke on July 09, 2022, 03:09:20 PM
10x for the towns and highways that would need to be created.
10x for gov cost overruns.
And then that's still in 2006 dollars.
Maybe not a trillion, but way more than would be reasonable to waste for Trump's self-aggrandizement.
I don't think it would be that much.
I also don't think it is for Trump's self-aggrandizement.
Trump took up border wall because he saw that a portion of the population was highly in favor of it. He could adopt that issue as part of a strategy to get elected. If no one cared about that, I doubt he would have made that part of his platform.
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: Arlo on July 09, 2022, 03:13:44 PM
So we can give billions to other countries but we can't build a wall and secure our border?
It's a stupid boondoggle. https://www.texasmonthly.com/news-politics/trump-border-wall-ladders/ (https://www.texasmonthly.com/news-politics/trump-border-wall-ladders/)
Securing the border is fine. But the vast majority of that mileage can be easily be covered with remote sensors and drones for tiny fraction of the cost of Trump's vanity wall that would be crushingly expensive and totally ineffective.
You want to fix illegal immigration? Throw a couple of hundred rich factory\food processing executives in prison for employing illegal labor. 95% of the problem would disappear immediately. Problem is, those are probably Republican donors.
The real answer is to setup a guest worker program. These immigrants are doing useful work that benefits our society. Their presence and movements should be managed but both countries would benefit from the exchange given the US weakening demographics. The workers would also benefit by being paid proper wages and not be vulnerable to abuse because of their status. They would essentially have the status of non-resident green card holders. A lot of them wouldn't even stay in the US if they could cross easily. They would come up during harvest seasons.
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: -gg- on July 09, 2022, 03:19:40 PM
I also don't think it is for Trump's self-aggrandizement.
Trump took up border wall because he saw that a portion of the population was highly in favor of it. He could adopt that issue as part of a strategy to get elected. If no one cared about that, I doubt he would have made that part of his platform.
That's right. Trump was elected because of his stance on the border, building the wall and putting Americans first for a change. That was his message.
Can anyone tell me what Biden's message was?
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: guncrasher on July 09, 2022, 03:24:17 PM
I have lots of pals who hate Trump, and lots of pals who like Trump, and some in between.
Yeah, like Liz Cheney who has possibly the highest Conservative voting record in Congress. But he second she is not down with Trump's insurrection, now suddenly she is a RINO.
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: Brooke on July 09, 2022, 03:27:57 PM
Walls do not reduce transit to 0%. But they do cut it down a lot. Which is why lots of places (airports, Vatican, rich people's houses, etc.) use walls. When Hungary put up fencing across their border, crossing went from 4000-8000 illegal immigrations per day to a few.
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But the vast majority of that mileage can be easily be covered with remote sensors and drones
That is excellent. But it requires government agencies to do or be allowed to it. Lots of people are concerned that an administration could have all that stuff stand down and do nothing.
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You want to fix illegal immigration? Throw a couple of hundred rich factory\food processing executives in prison for employing illegal labor. 95% of the problem would disappear immediately. Problem is, those are probably Republican donors.
Yep. But they are democrat and republican donors. They are what people on both sides call "establishment" -- folks who utilize connections to government to get more money.
Also, I think there are political incentives that can favor illegal immigration.
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: CptTrips on July 09, 2022, 03:46:33 PM
That is excellent. But it requires government agencies to do or be allowed to it. Lots of people are concerned that an administration could have all that stuff stand down and do nothing.
As opposed to confiscating tens of thousands of acres of private ranch land much of which had been in families for generations.
Is it better to steal American families land or just fly a drone over it?
Yeah, like Liz Cheney who has possibly the highest Conservative voting record in Congress. But he second she is not down with Trump's insurrection, now suddenly she is a RINO.
She's for lots of things that some conservatives don't like -- not just that. But she's a politician. Politicians always get opposition for this or that.
I'm a private citizen. In my experience, left-leaning people and regions I've lived in are highly intolerant. Right-leaning are not. Again, just what I've seen and lived. It's different for different folks and regions.
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: Brooke on July 09, 2022, 03:52:35 PM
Well, just get over it Brookes because we aren't building the stupid thing. lol
How many miles did Trump get built in his 4 years in office?
I give it about 0% chance to build the whole border. I give it 50/50 that some more will be built, though.
I would have given it less than 50/50 for more, but the current administration's handling of the border has incentivized a lot of people toward more wall.
Trump's administration built 450 miles of new and replaced wall/fence.
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: CptTrips on July 09, 2022, 03:55:12 PM
As opposed to confiscating tens of thousands of acres of private ranch land much of which had been in families for generations.
Is it better to steal American families land or just fly a drone over it?
Eminent domain is part of accepted law. I understand the necessity of it at times. Without it, we would have problems constructing transportation systems, energy systems, etc.
However, I am opposed to government acquiring the land at less than market value.
Regardless, surveillance is better in a world where administrations enforce the law.
A barrier is better in the real world, in my opinion.
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: CptTrips on July 09, 2022, 04:07:15 PM
If your definition of "new wall" is "wall you newly constructed, where no structure existed before", then it's something tiny like 30 miles or whatever.
If you definition of "new wall" is "wall you newly constructed, regardless of whether or not old stuff was torn down first", then it's 450 miles.
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: Brooke on July 09, 2022, 04:19:57 PM
I deal with the world as it goes, no matter the topic. Building barriers along the southern border might not be over, though.
At what point does it start becoming a 'keep people in' instead of 'keep people out' issue? Heck, add machinegun towers, spotlights and loud speakers right inside the initial perimeter.
If anyhting will turn farmer/growers against a political agenda that will.
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: RotBaron on July 09, 2022, 09:30:01 PM
Yeah, like Liz Cheney who has possibly the highest Conservative voting record in Congress. But he second she is not down with Trump's insurrection, now suddenly she is a RINO.
Where has any evidence proved their was an insurrection?
Has anyone been charged with insurrection?
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: guncrasher on July 09, 2022, 10:07:38 PM
If your definition of "new wall" is "wall you newly constructed, where no structure existed before", then it's something tiny like 30 miles or whatever.
I doubt it's that much, even so that's pretty pathetic. He'd only need 83 more terms as President to complete it. :rolleyes:
How much of that did Mexico pay for? Can you point to a reference of the money transfer?
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: -gg- on July 10, 2022, 10:39:10 AM
Yeah Mexico did not pay for the wall. Big deal. Trump thought he could make them pay for the wall but he could not. Who cares?
I think most Americans want this border secured and it's the politicians who are failing us.
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: -gg- on July 10, 2022, 10:40:27 AM
Another thing that Trump did that not a lot of people talk about is that he put a lot of pressure on Mexico to keep people from coming over and it was effective.
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: CptTrips on July 10, 2022, 10:58:43 AM
If your definition of "new wall" is "wall you newly constructed, where no structure existed before", then it's something tiny like 30 miles or whatever.
"The Trump administration completed 455 miles of new barriers along the Mexico boundary, an undertaking whose main achievement was the replacement of smaller, more permeable anti-vehicle barriers with imposing 30-foot-tall steel bars."
"The Trump administration completed 455 miles of new barriers along the Mexico boundary, an undertaking whose main achievement was the replacement of smaller, more permeable anti-vehicle barriers with imposing 30-foot-tall steel bars."
You do wall accounting like Trump does his businesses account.
"15 miles of new primary barrier where none existed before."
I'm not giving him credit for putting a new coat of paint and an existing fence.
and 455 miles of new wall was built. New wall. It replaced fencing and other bs barriers that were not much of a fence at all.
55 miles or so of wall was built where there had not been a chicken-wire "wall" before
It's funny how you guys hate Trump so much that you can't get onboard with securing the border. Just vote for Biden again and watch how much gets done to reverse any border security., That's your man.,
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: CptTrips on July 10, 2022, 01:27:51 PM
The wall consists mostly of 18- to 30-foot steel bollards anchored in concrete. The barriers also feature sensors, lights, cameras and parallel roads in some places.
The vast majority of the 458 miles were constructed in places where some kind of barrier already existed, but most of the preexisting structures were far less imposing than the new wall and included fencing and rudimentary technical barriers. The total figure also includes what the agency calls “secondary border wall” or sections of wall built behind preexisting barriers that ultimately remained in place.
Flourish logoA Flourish data visualization Some 226 miles, or nearly half of the total number of miles built, run along the border in Arizona, including more than 100 miles in both the Border Patrol sector near Yuma and in the sector near Tucson.
About 100 miles were constructed in New Mexico, largely in a stretch along the eastern part of the state’s border that bumps into Texas near El Paso. A total of 55 miles were built in the Lone Star State along the Rio Grande by El Paso and in lengths by Lardeo and in the Rio Grande Valley.
California saw the completion of construction of 77 miles of wall in areas along the border near San Diego and El Centro.
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: -gg- on July 10, 2022, 01:29:35 PM
Cap, I asked already, but just in case you would be willing to say:
What causes you so viscerally to hate Trump?
I am honestly curious.
That would take a book. And frankly, that you even have to ask, proves that there is something missing in you that would prevent you from even profiting from the information.
Executive summary: I consider Trump and his rabid cult of personality supporters, ranging from neo-fascist Proud Boys to mentally deranged Q-Anon psychopaths as the most obvious example of a clear and present danger to my country that I have ever seen in my lifetime.
I believe Trump doesn't have the slightest understanding of our political system and would like nothing better than to over-throw it and place himself in an unchallenged authoritarian rule like his man-crush Putin. And his mouth breathing Brownshirt zealot followers would love nothing more than to overthrow the government and give it to him. Worse than that, I believe he would want to set up a dynasty where his sniveling brats could continue to rule after he dies. Like North Korea or Syria.
I consider them a threat as much as a division of Russians making an amphibious landing on Galveston beach. Worse because so many Americans still don't see the full scale of the threat in front of them. I hope they wake up to the full threat before it's too late. I think that's starting.
I know it's pointless to explain it to you. You are obviously nose-blind to the stench. There were many in Germany that weren't evil. They may have been distracted by their hatred of communists, or of the French and British, with their innate authoritarian leanings (it's rough moving from a monarchy to a democracy). By the time they had realized how far they had been led astray by a monster, it was too late.
The other side thinks similarly: rabid supporters of leftist causes, leftist blackshirts ironically named antifa, TDS, high-level democratic functionaries and their billionaire cronies promoting authoritarianism, use of government agencies to suppress opposition, etc. -- all being the direst threat ever to the US. They hope that the other side will wake up to the danger.
Each side feels it is right. Some of each side hates the other side and feels it is evil.
I think most of the people (not all, but most) on each side are pursuing what they think is good.
I have my own opinions on what I think is good (mostly: follow the Constitution, root out corruption, don't force your views on another state, support freedom of speech, get a balanced budget, have free markets, etc.).
But we operate in a whirlwind of propaganda, agendas, and partisanship. Backed by new technology that amplifies it all.
Our world needs to figure out how to deal with that. We'll see how it goes.
We are in tumultuous times.
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: Brooke on July 10, 2022, 03:33:59 PM
A music video that I think is useful for our times. :aok
I think of this when I disagree with folks. For example, I disagree lots with Arlo and semp on politics. But I think they are very good people. Good human beings with good motivations in their hearts.
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: CptTrips on July 10, 2022, 03:34:30 PM
Anyone who commits violence in a protest should be prosecuted.
But there is a fundamental difference street violence and when that violence is targeted toward interrupting and stopping the peaceful transfer of power in our government. Egged on by a President who wants to become an authoritarian ruler.
This is not propaganda. This happened. These are not tourist. (https://image.cnbcfm.com/api/v1/image/106822651-1610409078172-wind.jpg?v=1610409131&w=1600&h=900)
These are domestic terrorists chanting for the capture and assassination of a sitting Vice President. (https://i.natgeofe.com/n/90083333-b963-4ffd-b70a-99be125bc1e3/gettyimages-1230476983_square.jpg)
What do you think they were planning with the restraint if they found the elected lawmakers they were looking for? (https://assets1.cbsnewsstatic.com/hub/i/r/2021/01/10/d7a3e816-c4af-4f27-afd1-1109007d60cb/thumbnail/1200x630/d0153a574782ac0eea679f2ccf18a281/gettyimages-1294932395-cropped.jpg)
Burning cars and gas stations is criminal. But this was political violence. Directed at our seat of national government. Incited and cheered on by a wannabe dictator.
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: guncrasher on July 10, 2022, 05:11:22 PM
a cognitive test checks for problems with mental functioning. I assume Trump requested one in order prove he does not have any issues.
Biden refuses to take one, but do we really need to see the results? It's obvious to anyone that he is severely impaired
I guess you don't know what a cognitive test is. you don't request one, it is given to you by a doctor if he suspects a problem. otherwise it's a waste of time. they're pretty simple questions. to brag that you aced one is childish and dumb. that's why he was made fun of.
the fact he was given one is of more concern. now biden hasn't had one because his doctor doesn't think he needs one, I assume since he hasn't gotten one.
semp
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: -gg- on July 10, 2022, 05:29:24 PM
Trump asked to take one. You can request a take one. Are you kidding?
So a cognitive test is not to test your cognitive abilities?
Biden should be forced to take one and he will refuse. If he does take one it's going to show severe cognitive decline. I don't think anybody has a question about that.
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: guncrasher on July 10, 2022, 06:08:54 PM
Trump asked to take one. You can request a take one. Are you kidding?
So a cognitive test is not to test your cognitive abilities?
Biden should be forced to take one and he will refuse. If he does take one it's going to show severe cognitive decline. I don't think anybody has a question about that.
the test he took is to test for early dementia or impairments. and no you cannot request one, call your doctor.
and as for him bragging that it gets harder, one of the last questions is name the place and time where you are.
last year I fell and banged my head pretty good, I was told I was driving around, talking to people, playing the game and I have no recollection of it. I ended up at the hospital with a nice contusion on my head, mri showed that. I passed the cognitive test but yet I could not recall what my wife looked like or where I lived.
semp
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: -gg- on July 10, 2022, 06:52:27 PM
the test he took is to test for early dementia or impairments. and no you cannot request one, call your doctor.
and as for him bragging that it gets harder, one of the last questions is name the place and time where you are.
last year I fell and banged my head pretty good, I was told I was driving around, talking to people, playing the game and I have no recollection of it. I ended up at the hospital with a nice contusion on my head, mri showed that. I passed the cognitive test but yet I could not recall what my wife looked like or where I lived.
semp
Lol. Whatever you say, Semp :rolleyes:.
It's impossible to get a cognitive test unless you are requested to take one. The reason being is that it's such a technical and administrative advanced testing that they just can't waste that on anybody!
:rolleyes:
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: DmonSlyr on July 10, 2022, 08:09:53 PM
Trips and others like him are just mad that a real leader stood up to them and exposed their corruption and government abuse of power. They can't stand that anyone would ever question their authority. It's why they continue to support 40 year politicians corrupting and selling out our country. When you listen to Trumps speech in Anchorage last night, you can see that he is exactly opposite of what Trips and his propagandist believe about Trump. When I watch Trump, I feel like a proud American who wants to keep America the most prosperous and free nation on earth. He is way more patriotic than any Democrat or even a republican really than I have ever seen. Trump wants Americans to be the best. It's sad that democrats or RINOs like Trips can't understand or realize why Trump is so popular. None of their candidates can create crowds like Trump. They are Jealous. They hate that he wants America to be powerful and great. They hate that he doesn't want their globalist wars against 3rd world nations. They hate that he knows what they are really doing behind the scenes and corrupting this country. They know in the end because they can see it with Trumps #s that we are way more powerful than them. All they have is propaganda and bought off media propaganda to keep their UN agenda sherade going.
It's impossible to get a cognitive test unless you are requested to take one. The reason being is that it's such a technical and administrative advanced testing that they just can't waste that on anybody!
:rolleyes:
he took the Montreal cognitive test, it's 20 questions. and it's given if they suspect something is wrong. and the questions aren't that technical. what is today's date, is it a Monday. where are you, what time is it. what animal is in this picture...
not sure which test you are talking about.
semp
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: DmonSlyr on July 10, 2022, 08:42:14 PM
Would you believe that today 6 years ago, Seth Rich was gunned down by MS13 gang members as a hit for him exposing Democrats cheating. People like him don't just get gunned down.
Things like this are why people support Trump because they are tired of corrupt power silencing people.
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: guncrasher on July 10, 2022, 08:46:12 PM
Would you believe that today 6 years ago, Seth Rich was gunned down by MS13 gang members as a hit for him exposing Democrats cheating. People like him don't just get gunned down.
Things like this are why people support Trump because they are tired of corrupt power silencing people.
naw man it wasn't ms13, it was the satanic reptilian forces. or perhaps the Italian satellite in space.
semp
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: Arlo on July 10, 2022, 08:46:31 PM
Anyone who commits violence in a protest should be prosecuted.
I think so, too.
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But there is a fundamental difference
Folks who broke stuff or who got violent should be prosecuted. Some trespassers should be charged with trespassing.
Importantly, there was a group of people doing coordinated, organized activity to get people into the building. Those folks should be thoroughly investigated not just for their individual activity -- but also to discover if there was an organization behind it and what that organization is. That hasn't happened for many of the folks on video doing it.
The investigation should be bipartisan. And folks shouldn't be kept in solitary, or kept in jail without bail, or treated worse than usual.
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: Arlo on July 10, 2022, 09:06:42 PM
the test he took is to test for early dementia or impairments. and no you cannot request one, call your doctor.
Yes, you can.
It's like blood tests (cholesterol, a1c, thyroid, whatever). Maybe your doctor refuses you. But my doctors have always been willing to let me go for it if I want as long as they are sure they'll get paid.
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: CptTrips on July 10, 2022, 09:10:46 PM
It's like blood tests (cholesterol, a1c, thyroid, whatever). Maybe your doctor refuses you. But my doctors have always been willing to let me go for it if I want as long as they are sure they'll get paid.
Being a survivor of multiple strokes I get one about every year or so from my neurologist. I ace them all in record time. Nobody's ever done that. Ever.
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: CptTrips on July 10, 2022, 09:25:20 PM
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"Did you do that sir, agree with Mr. Rhodes and develop a plan to stop the lawful transfer of presidential power by Jan. 20, 2021?" Judge Amit Mehta asked at Friday's hearing.
They're going to roll up the entire Oath Keepers and Proud Boys neo- fascist groups. As more of them get crushed legally they will start flipping on their buddies and eventually on the members of the administration and members of Congress who they might have conspired with.
The DOJ and FBI can be quite persuasive once they get rolling.
Put a cattle prod up a horses wazoo you can teach them to deal a deck of cards. It simply becomes a function of voltage.
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: Brooke on July 10, 2022, 09:52:12 PM
They are missing a bunch of seemingly (judging from video) important organized agitators.
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: Brooke on July 10, 2022, 09:53:50 PM
Man, Arlo, I'm sorry to hear that. My best wishes for your health.
I'm a very lucky man, actually. Other than my deteriorating vision due to diabetes, minor balance issues and reduced stamina I'm actually in pretty good shape. Losing a toe to an overexcited 8 month old Pittie did not result in additional problems. It healed up wonderfully and did not result in infection spread (Apparently I'm a modern medical miracle).. I did lose 50 lbs in 4 months. I never knew big toes weighed so much. :D
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: Brooke on July 10, 2022, 10:09:10 PM
It's as bipartisan as Kevin McCarthy would let it be.
I'm not an expert on this topic, but it seems to me that 7 democrats, and 2 republicans (whom most other republicans neither respect nor trust), with Nancy Pelosi having veto power of who is on it, is not what I would call "bipartisan".
Also, cross examination seems mostly precluded.
It results in something closer to a political show trial than what I'd like to see.
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: CptTrips on July 10, 2022, 10:17:21 PM
I'm not an expert on this topic, but it seems to me that 7 democrats, and 2 republicans (whom most other republicans neither respect nor trust), with Nancy Pelosi having veto power of who is on it, is not what I would call "bipartisan".
We've already been over this. Pelosi didn't have to offer them any slots. She offered them 5 subject to approval. Of the 5 one was a likely subject of the investigation, so yeah, that would be awkward. The other was a complete nut job on the MTG scale. Those were rejected but the other 3 accepted and he could offer two others for the ones rejected. He chose to remove all his candidates. That was his choice.
Oh, and remember this? https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/politics/2021/05/19/sen-mitch-mcconnell-opposes-creating-bipartisan-commission-jan-6-riot/5164477001/ (https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/politics/2021/05/19/sen-mitch-mcconnell-opposes-creating-bipartisan-commission-jan-6-riot/5164477001/)
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: Brooke on July 10, 2022, 10:17:56 PM
We've already been over this. Pelosi didn't have to offer them any slots.
Doesn't matter to me what she can or can't do.
Bipartisan would be one side picks who it wants. Another side picks who it wants. Cross examination allowed.
Anything else is biased and weak compared to court proceedings.
When you go to court, you get to pick a lawyer. He can be totally biased in your favor. The other side might consider him a nut. But you get to pick. And there is cross examination and discovery so that folks can fully develop the information.
If you don't have that, it's lame in comparison.
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: CptTrips on July 10, 2022, 10:25:14 PM
You do think it is better to investigate *all* agitators shown on video (not just some), right?
Agitators like Donald Trump? Rudy Giuliani? Mo Brookes? Yeah, we're working on it.
Come on man. You are trying to throw up Q-Anon conspiracy crap to deflect away from the insurrectionists charged (and pleading guilty to) Seditious Conspiracy. Which is a bit more serious than a couple of people charged with minor trespassing like you tried to characterize it.
Maybe this was a Reptilian operation?
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: CptTrips on July 10, 2022, 10:29:52 PM
Yah forget about the Constitutional issue of Congress on a with hunt investigation of a non-government employee who is a US citizen.
Constitution is only useful when it fits and is convenient for Democrats.
Lol. Are you drunk?
The courts have always held that Congress has broad and expansive power to investigate and provide oversite for anything that might be of national interest.
So unless they are investigating the "purely private affair of an ordinary citizen", then you are full of horse crap.
As usual.
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: CptTrips on July 10, 2022, 11:18:59 PM
After we have finished prosecuting Trump, Giuliani, Clark, Brookes, (some yet determined number of WH staff and Congresspersons who coordinated with the insurrectionists) all those greasy neo-nazi Oath Keepers and Proud Boys and all the other Trump LARPers that smashed windows and roamed the chambers with restraint zip ties looking for lawmakers to kidnap and those that smeared sht on the walls of our seat of government...
...after we are all done with those, if there are any you think we missed, let us know.
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: CptTrips on July 10, 2022, 11:38:54 PM
The courts have always held that Congress has broad and expansive power to investigate and provide oversite for anything that might be of national interest.
So unless they are investigating the "purely private affair of an ordinary citizen", then you are full of horse crap.
As usual.
The Constitution says nothing about congressional investigations and oversight, but the authority to conduct investigations is implied since Congress possesses “all legislative powers.” The Supreme Court determined that the framers intended for Congress to seek out information when crafting or reviewing legislation.
Hearings are most commonly held for three reasons: to consider pending legislation; to investigate issues that may require legislation in the future; and, to investigate and oversee federal programs.
While the power to investigate is broad, the Supreme Court has since ruled that Congress must confine itself to “legislative purposes”
No legislation is coming out of this nor is this pony show intended to address any, it’s intended to: provide cover for how terrible the current administration is, continue to harass the former President and to do the DOJ’s work; all abuses of power.
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: CptTrips on July 10, 2022, 11:59:33 PM
I'd like to see these folks, who in multiple vids and pics worked in an organized manner on:
Rolling up large sections of fencing, and removing the posts.
Clearing out lots of police barricades.
On a tower with a bullhorn spending an hour trying to persuade the crowd to move forward to the building. He also worked on rolling up fencing. And the guy with him on the tower.
Seeming to give instructions to others who then move forward to engage police.
At entry points, persuading people to go into the building. Also, interacting with some of the aforementioned.
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: CptTrips on July 11, 2022, 12:15:53 AM
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: DmonSlyr on July 11, 2022, 06:22:58 AM
Every time Trips gets proven wrong he vears off trying to label everyone a Qanon reptilian lover or some crap. Typical of leftist distraction and fallacies. He will never admit there were paid off agitators working with intellegnece agencies in the mix. They will never admit that their side actually called for violence multiple times and even shot Republicans senators due to that rhetoric. They only care about attacking one political faction while giving the dems and RINOs a pass for their 40 years of wars and corruption and degradation of the US. Along with their paid off Antifa who get funded by political leaders who actually do organize. Proud Boys started to deal with them because the governments prevented the police from stopping them. That's what you get when dems allow corruption. They want the US to fail. They burn down Founding Father statues. The George Washington statue got destroyed 3 miles from my house in Portland. They aren't patriots. Just look at their current leadership ran by "adults". Nothing but degradation, gangs, violence, hatred, and the poorest in society doing worse off than before. All they can do is keep attacking Trump because they know how lousy their puppet politicians are. Remember, they would never want to talk about Obama either after Trump was elected. It's because they will always cover up for their establishment corruption and act like children when their side gets exposed for the hacks they are.
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: Eagler on July 11, 2022, 07:34:50 AM
Best to see the fault in all politicians than cling to one while hating the other as that is what they need us to do..
Stay separated and they win..
Sure investigate trump, I don't care as he set it all up by his running and his inability to shut his mouth...
But investigate them all on both sides just as throughly while forcing term limits on their entitled corrupt selves..
Our leaders are the problem folks!
But keep up the hate and separation while nothing changes and we continue to play their game
Eagler
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: DmonSlyr on July 11, 2022, 08:06:15 AM
Best to see the fault in all politicians than cling to one while hating the other as that is what they need us to do..
Stay separated and they win..
Sure investigate trump, I don't care as he set it all up by his running and his inability to shut his mouth...
But investigate them all on both sides just as throughly while forcing term limits on their entitled corrupt selves..
Our leaders are the problem folks!
But keep up the hate and separation while nothing changes and we continue to play their game
Eagler
The way the Intellegence and corrupt media have made this country, there will never be a truely "good for both sides" president ever again. There is only, believe in American greatness and prosperity, or there is destroying America for the NWO globalist government. That's why we are in a cold war. Don't be naive. They brought this on themselves attacking Trump the day he walked down the isle. The multiple assassination attempts with cars trying to ram his motorcade. The cover up of his policies to stop child trafficking. They will never stop until we expose and stop them. It's unfortunate, but the cochroaches who created the NWO got themselves into this and they have no one to blame but themselves for what it coming for them.
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: guncrasher on July 11, 2022, 09:05:28 AM
Every time Trips gets proven wrong he vears off trying to label everyone a Qanon reptilian lover or some crap. Typical of leftist distraction and fallacies. He will never admit there were paid off agitators working with intellegnece agencies in the mix. They will never admit that their side actually called for violence multiple times and even shot Republicans senators due to that rhetoric. They only care about attacking one political faction while giving the dems and RINOs a pass for their 40 years of wars and corruption and degradation of the US. Along with their paid off Antifa who get funded by political leaders who actually do organize. Proud Boys started to deal with them because the governments prevented the police from stopping them. That's what you get when dems allow corruption. They want the US to fail. They burn down Founding Father statues. The George Washington statue got destroyed 3 miles from my house in Portland. They aren't patriots. Just look at their current leadership ran by "adults". Nothing but degradation, gangs, violence, hatred, and the poorest in society doing worse off than before. All they can do is keep attacking Trump because they know how lousy their puppet politicians are. Remember, they would never want to talk about Obama either after Trump was elected. It's because they will always cover up for their establishment corruption and act like children when their side gets exposed for the hacks they are.
you are q annon lover. and which senators did democrats shot? you make up so much stuff and when confronted you either type some nonsense or dissappear for a few days.
which of your statements have been proven right? and which statements you have made by now deny making.
my favorite is the guy that got shot by ms13. why ms13? why not the others? what's wrong with Barrio 18, Maravilla, Sangra, Lomas, the mob, hills angels, vagus, hey might as well throw in the fbi, Cia, a local police officer, a hired assassin, the ninjas,kgb,
semp
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: DmonSlyr on July 11, 2022, 09:30:03 AM
you are q annon lover. and which senators did democrats shot? you make up so much stuff and when confronted you either type some nonsense or dissappear for a few days.
which of your statements have been proven right? and which statements you have made by now deny making.
my favorite is the guy that got shot by ms13. why ms13? why not the others? what's wrong with Barrio 18, Maravilla, Sangra, Lomas, the mob, hills angels, vagus, hey might as well throw in the fbi, Cia, a local police officer, a hired assassin, the ninjas,kgb,
semp
You already forgot about the Baseball practice shooting of Steve Scalise? Right after he signed legislation to go after human trafficking If I recall. That's typical.
I've done the research into Seth Rich, you have not. That's the difference between you and me. I do deep research, you listen to fascist media propaganda paid off by billionaires to cover up the truth. That's the problem with you and the people defending the democrats.
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: CptTrips on July 11, 2022, 09:35:58 AM
you are q annon lover. and which senators did democrats shot? you make up so much stuff and when confronted you either type some nonsense or dissappear for a few days.
which of your statements have been proven right? and which statements you have made by now deny making.
my favorite is the guy that got shot by ms13. why ms13? why not the others? what's wrong with Barrio 18, Maravilla, Sangra, Lomas, the mob, hills angels, vagus, hey might as well throw in the fbi, Cia, a local police officer, a hired assassin, the ninjas,kgb,
Yeah, when I order hits.....uh if I were to order a hit, there are plenty of East European ex-military ex-Spetsnaz that are reasonably priced and far more professional and dependable than a bunch of coked up Vaccaros.
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: CptTrips on July 11, 2022, 10:19:57 AM
When I was a younger man and first started voting Republican in the Reagan years, they were the stable, sober, adults in the room. It was the Dems who were the crazies.
Now the Republican party has devolved in to the party of insurrectionists and conspiracy theorists. It's sad to see.
It's time to split the party. Sober, intelligent Republicans are surrendering their honor to keep the Trumpers votes. They are beclowning and debasing themselves just to get a few extra tax cuts passed and I think that's a poor bargain.
A new American Conservative Party and a Trumpy America First Party. Pick a side.
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: CptTrips on July 11, 2022, 10:25:30 AM
Conservatives won the first fight against the nutters. They've lost this one I fear. The rot has gone too deep.
irreconcilable difference. Separate. You are judged by the company you keep.
When I was a younger man and first started voting Republican in the Reagan years, they were the stable, sober, adults in the room. It was the Dems who were the crazies.
Now the Republican party has devolved in to the party of insurrectionists and conspiracy theorists. It's sad to see.
It's time to split the party. Sober, intelligent Republicans are surrendering their honor to keep the Trumpers votes. They are beclowning and debasing themselves just to get a few extra tax cuts passed and I think that's a poor bargain.
A new American Conservative Party and a Trumpy America First Party. Pick a side.
Funny how you are defending the lunatics on the left who are the same party from the 70s only more advanced in their NWO UN take over agenda while going after the people smart enough to expose it and put a stop to it. You underestimate the anger of Americans. You underestimate the Intellegence of Americans. All you "muh adults" leadership have done is degrade and hurt Americana even more. That's why Trump is so popular, that's why we don't give a watermelon anymore. That's why we are so angry at the RINOs and their malfeasance. You asked for it. Your government brought this on, government clowns tried to subvert us and now they realize they don't have as big of a following as they thought, which is why they can only talk trash and label us. It's pathetic and sad that people like you chose to defend antifa and the dems who committed an insurrection first who are now destroying the nation again, with a chitty economy, horrible market, rapid inflation, and super high gas prices. I'm hope you are proud of the dementia patient puppet they put in charge of this country. That's what you get when your "adult" weak Republicans like Jeb bush and Paul Ryan sell us out. Your Republicans have no one to blame but themselves.
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: guncrasher on July 11, 2022, 10:50:19 AM
You already forgot about the Baseball practice shooting of Steve Scalise? Right after he signed legislation to go after human trafficking If I recall. That's typical.
I've done the research into Seth Rich, you have not. That's the difference between you and me. I do deep research, you listen to fascist media propaganda paid off by billionaires to cover up the truth. That's the problem with you and the people defending the democrats.
only research you do is in conspiracy sites. and I'm not defending the democrats, I'm questioning your bs stories.
like a missile was fired at airforce one. sure many guys own icbms since it's the only missile that can reach the Mediterranean where airforce one was flying. took me like 3 minutes to find that info. or that q was aboard, when the pictures he posted as proof were taken at least 1 hour before sunset, but airforce one landed 1 hour after sunset.
as for the guy that shot scalise, he got what he deserved.
semp
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: DmonSlyr on July 11, 2022, 10:55:35 AM
only research you do is in conspiracy sites. and I'm not defending the democrats, I'm questioning your bs stories.
like a missile was fired at airforce one. sure many guys own icbms since it's the only missile that can reach the Mediterranean where airforce one was flying. took me like 3 minutes to find that info. or that q was aboard, when the pictures he posted as proof were taken at least 1 hour before sunset, but airforce one landed 1 hour after sunset.
as for the guy that shot scalise, he got what he deserved.
semp
Again, completely false statements.
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: guncrasher on July 11, 2022, 11:02:57 AM
you deny posting about a missile shot at airforce one?
semp
I'm not going thru that again. Where you are wrong about where Trumps plane was in the air.
Not going on your goose chase.
Just admit that you support and defend the NWO sell out of America. Please stop denying its existence. That is not propaganda and I don't understand why you refuse to acknowledge it.
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: Arlo on July 11, 2022, 11:39:08 AM
I'm not going thru that again. Where you are wrong about where Trumps plane was in the air.
Not going on your goose chase.
Just admit that you support and defend the NWO sell out of America. Please stop denying its existence. That is not propaganda and I don't understand why you refuse to acknowledge it.
imagine the political points trump would have scored. the pilot that shot down the missile would have been a hero. imagine the book called how I saved the president using a cat 5 package. Hannity and tucker guy would have it on the news till today. secret service would have made statements. every newspaper or radio down to the local elementary school would have it. but only q saw it. was he flying the plane too.
but nothing anywhere, except in conspiracy sites
semp
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: DmonSlyr on July 11, 2022, 11:48:33 AM
You cannot call it a conspiracy theory when Lori Lightfoot specifically said she was recruiting people who pledge allegiance to the NWO. She literally said that. You cannot deny it. This article is just plain BS.
This lady specifically states it.
Here's a representative from Yale talking about it.
George HW Bush specifically states it using the UN and its founders.
How can you sit there and call it a conspiracy theory when it's literally being talked about by global "leaders"?
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: guncrasher on July 11, 2022, 11:53:42 AM
this is interesting which confirms what violator said.
Barkun identifies three main principles that are embraced by conspiracists: 1) nothing happens by accident, 2) nothing is as it seems, and 3) everything is connected.
semp
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: Arlo on July 11, 2022, 11:54:50 AM
You cannot call it a conspiracy theory when Lori Lightfoot specifically said she was recruiting people who pledge allegiance to the NWO. She literally said that. You cannot deny it. This article is just plain BS.
You cannot call it a conspiracy theory when Lori Lightfoot specifically said she was recruiting people who pledge allegiance to the NWO. She literally said that. You cannot deny it. This article is just plain BS.
This lady specifically states it.
Here's a representative from Yale talking about it.
George HW Bush specifically states it using the UN and its founders.
How can you sit there and call it a conspiracy theory when it's literally being talked about by global "leaders"?
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: Arlo on July 11, 2022, 12:09:34 PM
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: DmonSlyr on July 11, 2022, 12:20:52 PM
Is this a real agenda or not?
How can you deny what is right infront of you? Like I can't freaking figure this out. :rofl this is greatest mind F of all time. How can you "adults" pretend this doesn't exist? This is right from the F "<×ing UN website.
It appears to be a U.N. website with no nefarious agenda. There. Be happy. :)
I'm glad you admit it does actually exist. That's the first step toward understanding. I'm sure the Dutch farmers would disagree about the nefarious part though :D
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: Shuffler on July 11, 2022, 03:59:51 PM
Funny how you are defending the lunatics on the left who are the same party from the 70s only more advanced in their NWO UN take over agenda while going after the people smart enough to expose it and put a stop to it. You underestimate the anger of Americans. You underestimate the Intellegence of Americans. All you "muh adults" leadership have done is degrade and hurt Americana even more. That's why Trump is so popular, that's why we don't give a watermelon anymore. That's why we are so angry at the RINOs and their malfeasance. You asked for it. Your government brought this on, government clowns tried to subvert us and now they realize they don't have as big of a following as they thought, which is why they can only talk trash and label us. It's pathetic and sad that people like you chose to defend antifa and the dems who committed an insurrection first who are now destroying the nation again, with a chitty economy, horrible market, rapid inflation, and super high gas prices. I'm hope you are proud of the dementia patient puppet they put in charge of this country. That's what you get when your "adult" weak Republicans like Jeb bush and Paul Ryan sell us out. Your Republicans have no one to blame but themselves.
He prefers politicians and not business men running the country.
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: Arlo on July 11, 2022, 04:06:18 PM
He prefers politicians and not business men running the country.
trump has been involved in politics most of his life. big democratic supporters, in fact he said way back then that if he ever would run for president he would run as a republican those guys believe anything.
semp
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: DmonSlyr on July 11, 2022, 04:21:20 PM
He prefers politicians and not business men running the country.
That's hilarious given the levels of corruption lawyers have achieved in the last 60 years. We had Trump and actually got things done and stopped the sell out of America and stopped wasting billions to the UN. Sounds like we need more business men in politics who actually understand how money works.
After I saw what liberal politicians did to Portland. I'll continue never trusting liberals in power.
We now how a 50 year politician in power as president, A 50 year politician as speaker of the house. Look what a # they are doing to America. How can anyone approve that?
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: guncrasher on July 11, 2022, 04:25:13 PM
That's hilarious given the levels of corruption lawyers have achieved in the last 60 years. We had Trump and actually got things done and stopped the sell out of America and stopped wasting billions to the UN. Sounds like we need more business men in politics who actually understand how money works.
After I saw what liberal politicians did to Portland. I'll never trust another one again.
lots of Republicans in congress are attorneys.
semp
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: Brooke on July 11, 2022, 04:31:22 PM
To be fair, Moscow Donny always did say when he ran his businesses (into the ground usually) that he always loved debt.
But you said he was evil for shutting down government to avoid that. So make up your mind. He didn't write that bill and was reluctant to sign it. That's what happens when you have lawyers writing spending bills.
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: CptTrips on July 11, 2022, 04:44:15 PM
Hah! They certainly love watching people live in filth for sure. I recon Atlanta is next on the list. Amazing how people simply don't get it.
But you said he was evil for shutting down government to avoid that. So make up your mind. He didn't write that bill and was reluctant to sign it. That's what happens when you have lawyers writing spending bills.
Trump exploded the national debt by almost $7.8 trillion.
The 3rd highest percentage increase relative to the economy's size of any other President.
To be fair, Moscow Donny always did say when he ran his businesses (into the ground usually) that he always loved debt.
But you said he was evil for shutting down government to avoid that. So make up your mind. He didn't write that bill and was reluctant to sign it. That's what happens when you have lawyers writing spending bills.
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: CptTrips on July 11, 2022, 04:56:17 PM
Can you link my post you are referring to? Do you even think about the things you type or is it pure id?
Was he being held at gun point at that time? Or are you saying he didn't have the spine to stand up up for what he believes in?
That's rich, pretending like yall werent going crazy about him shutting the government down. But go ahead and keep making excuses. Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. It was also signed by the house and senate. Trump did amazing things for the American citizens. Far better than any politician in the last 60 years. I'm sorry you cannot stand America being prosperous and wealthy and patriotic.
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: CptTrips on July 11, 2022, 05:10:31 PM
That's rich, pretending like yall werent going crazy about him shutting the government down. But go ahead and keep making excuses. Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. It was also signed by the house and senate. Trump did amazing things for the American citizens. Far better than any politician in the last 60 years. I'm sorry you cannot stand America being prosperous and wealthy and patriotic.
You made a claim I said something.
Can you, or can you not provide the link to the post in question?
Or are you now admitting you were lying?
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: guncrasher on July 11, 2022, 05:14:13 PM
That's rich, pretending like yall werent going crazy about him shutting the government down. But go ahead and keep making excuses. Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. It was also signed by the house and senate. Trump did amazing things for the American citizens. Far better than any politician in the last 60 years. I'm sorry you cannot stand America being prosperous and wealthy and patriotic.
what exactly did he do for you?
semp
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: CptTrips on July 11, 2022, 05:16:06 PM
when he started his trade wars, which he said are easily won, dozens of steel companies we did business with went under, about 5k employees with good jobs and benefits lost their jobs. but hey we won the trade wars right?
buy american his daughter was selling clothes made in China, trump made sure they were not part of the trade war.
great businessman, he bankrupt a casino.
semp
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: DmonSlyr on July 11, 2022, 05:29:20 PM
So it wasn't a trade war when China was undercutting with cheap labor anf currency manipulation and all of our business started going over there so they could make 45% more gross margins?
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: CptTrips on July 11, 2022, 05:29:30 PM
So it wasn't a trade war when China was undercutting with cheap labor anf currency manipulation and all of our business started going over there so they could make 45% more gross margins?
Found that post yet or are you admitting you were lying?
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: DmonSlyr on July 11, 2022, 05:38:45 PM
Specifically, Passed an income tax cut, stopped spending my tax dollars to Europe and the green new deal, made countries pay their fair share for OUR support, most importantly brought back the American spirit and belief in American greatness, stopped the Syria invasion, stopped ISIS, and a exposed how lousy our country has been operating for the last 20 years.
This is what a great American president does. Just read them. https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/trump-administration-accomplishments/
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: guncrasher on July 11, 2022, 05:41:23 PM
So it wasn't a trade war when China was undercutting with cheap labor anf currency manipulation and all of our business started going over there so they could make 45% more gross margins?
tell that to the thousands that became unemployed.
btw the steel made here in the usa was crap, it was so warped we could only attack it 10 to 12 slabs high, constantly broke our machines. the one from Brazil, Japan or Mexico 20 high and rarely any problems. wasn't the price but the quality.
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Title: Re: Bored
Post by: guncrasher on July 11, 2022, 05:45:03 PM
Specifically, Passed an income tax cut, stopped spending my tax dollars to Europe and the green new deal, made countries pay their fair share for OUR support, most importantly brought back the American spirit and belief in American greatness, stopped the Syria invasion, stopped ISIS, and a exposed how lousy our country has been operating for the last 20 years.
This is what a great American president does. Just read them. https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/trump-administration-accomplishments/
first of all you misunderstand nato. they had to spend a certain amount on their own military. they didn't want to fit whatever reason. second my tax break amounted to 30 bucks a month, millionaires saved hundreds of millions including trump
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edit I meant billionaires, millionaire got less but sure not as close as my 30 bucks
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: Arlo on July 11, 2022, 05:48:47 PM
But he did cheat at golf a lot on the weekends, charge the Secret Service into bankruptcy and tried to paint the oval office red with ketchup.
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: guncrasher on July 11, 2022, 05:57:08 PM
But he did cheat at golf a lot on the weekends, charge the Secret Service into bankruptcy and tried to paint the oval office red with ketchup.
don't exaggerate it was only 50k a month, well more when he visited. don't forget about trump plaza or whatever it was called in New York. it needed to be protected because it had his name, but I think mostly because the brown noses that wanted an audience had to stay there.
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Title: Re: Bored
Post by: DmonSlyr on July 11, 2022, 06:07:00 PM
tell that to the thousands that became unemployed.
btw the steel made here in the usa was crap, it was so warped we could only attack it 10 to 12 slabs high, constantly broke our machines. the one from Brazil, Japan or Mexico 20 high and rarely any problems. wasn't the price but the quality.
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Statistically they should have been able to find jobs and maybe even better paying jobs than before. I know I found a better job making more money during his presidency. What I'm saying though is that he provided businesses a lot more opportunities to hire people and unemployment was at an all time low for all ranges of careers. It was a period of economic growth for America until the bioweapon attack. America was finally gaining back its integrity as a nation. Now, its run controlled by losers who hate themselves and want others to hate themselves too. Are you seeing the result.
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: guncrasher on July 11, 2022, 06:11:19 PM
Statistically they should have been able to find jobs and maybe even better paying jobs than before. I know I found a better job making more money during his presidency. What I'm saying though is that he provided businesses a lot more opportunities to hire people and unemployment was at an all time low for all ranges of careers. It was a period of economic growth for America until the bioweapon attack. America was finally gaining back its integrity as a nation. Now, its run controlled by losers who hate themselves and want others to hate themselves too. Are you seeing the result.
statically speaking where we live, those were the good jobs.
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Title: Re: Bored
Post by: DmonSlyr on July 11, 2022, 06:39:17 PM
statically speaking where we live, those were the good jobs.
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Again, unemployment was at all time low for all citizens. Businesses were doing very well. Your experience is anecdotal. No telling how that specific business was ran.
You shoulda been a salesman and ran your own business. That's how you make millions. They pay lots of income taxes. Thats the beauty of it. I signed checks for Salesman, it pisses me off too how much they made compared to me. That's just the way business is done. Have to create your own business or become a salesman to make the dough. For me, it's probably going to be in the stock market because accountants don't make commissions :furious
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: guncrasher on July 11, 2022, 06:50:24 PM
Again, unemployment was at all time low for all citizens. Businesses were doing very well. Your experience is anecdotal. No telling how that specific business was ran.
I didn't say 1 business, I said dozens of companies with good paying jobs who lost their job on a trade war, he started and never won. and guess what we still have been importing steel at a higher price, but cheaper than us steel and prices went up. but that's bidens fault.
pretty sure they got jobs at a lower rate but look on the bright side, you got a better paying job.
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Title: Re: Bored
Post by: DmonSlyr on July 11, 2022, 06:54:20 PM
I didn't say 1 business, I said dozens of companies with good paying jobs who lost their job on a trade war, he started and never won. and guess what we still have been importing steel at a higher price, but cheaper than us steel and prices went up. but that's bidens fault.
pretty sure they got jobs at a lower rate but look on the bright side, you got a better paying job.
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You have to back up that claim then.
You shoulda been a salesman and ran your own business. That's how you make millions. They pay lots of income taxes. Thats the beauty of it. I signed checks for Salesman, it pisses me off too how much they made compared to me. That's just the way business is done. Have to create your own business or become a salesman to make the dough. For me, it's probably going to be in the stock market because accountants don't make commissions :furious
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: guncrasher on July 11, 2022, 06:57:54 PM
You shoulda been a salesman and ran your own business. That's how you make millions. They pay lots of income taxes. Thats the beauty of it. I signed checks for Salesman, it pisses me off too how much they made compared to me. That's just the way business is done. Have to create your own business or become a salesman to make the dough. For me, it's probably going to be in the stock market because accountants don't make commissions :furious
I get it now. everybody should be a salesman, we could all be millionaires. just as stupid as when first daughter said just get a better job.
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Title: Re: Bored
Post by: RUSH1 on July 11, 2022, 07:27:17 PM
tell that to the thousands that became unemployed.
btw the steel made here in the usa was crap, it was so warped we could only attack it 10 to 12 slabs high, constantly broke our machines. the one from Brazil, Japan or Mexico 20 high and rarely any problems. wasn't the price but the quality.
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Funny, because most of the shops I know now buy American steel brake drums due to all of the failures with the Chinese products.
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: guncrasher on July 11, 2022, 07:41:33 PM
Funny, because most of the shops I know now buy American steel brake drums due to all of the failures with the Chinese products.
funny our company has never bought Chinese steel. and btw one of the companies that went under made rims. with steel from Brazil.
one time we did buy about 1k slabs that another company refused from Russia. we couldn't figure out about the type of steel so we sold it as scrap to China.
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Title: Re: Bored
Post by: DmonSlyr on July 11, 2022, 08:43:35 PM
I get it now. everybody should be a salesman, we could all be millionaires. just as stupid as when first daughter said just get a better job.
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You seem to be mad that millionaires got a tax cut. So I'm just trying to show you how you can pay less in taxes while paying way more than everyone else in taxes. Funny how those sales gimmicks work hehe.
But if I make $100 of a stock and another person makes 150,000 off a stock, we pay the same amount in taxes. Is that fair? That's why many investors who make large gains in the market don't pay as much tax as people who receive income. It's just how it is.
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: RotBaron on July 11, 2022, 09:41:15 PM
as for the guy that a shot scalise, he got what he deserved.
would you like to know more?
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Your statement is equivocal. I’m trying to get you to answer who got what they deserved; the shooter or the 5 people shot that evening, or just Scalise?
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: guncrasher on July 11, 2022, 11:05:57 PM
Your statement is equivocal. I’m trying to get you to answer who got what they deserved; the shooter or the 5 people shot that evening, or just Scalise?
as for the guy who shot scalise, he got what he deserved.
the guy who shot scalise got what he deserved
OK here it is el pendejo que disparo a scalise deserved ser Muerto .
do you want me to tell you in French or Portuguese.
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edit damn you are dumb
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: guncrasher on July 11, 2022, 11:14:30 PM
You seem to be mad that millionaires got a tax cut. So I'm just trying to show you how you can pay less in taxes while paying way more than everyone else in taxes. Funny how those sales gimmicks work hehe.
But if I make $100 of a stock and another person makes 150,000 off a stock, we pay the same amount in taxes. Is that fair? That's why many investors who make large gains in the market don't pay as much tax as people who receive income. It's just how it is.
a person that makes 100 bucks in stock doesn't pay the same amount as somebody that makes 150k. rate yes but not the same amount. that's why the tax cut was towards high earners not the average people. so it was a tax cut for millionaires while the rest of us got 50 bucks.
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Title: Re: Bored
Post by: RotBaron on July 11, 2022, 11:27:18 PM
a person that makes 100 bucks in stock doesn't pay the same amount as somebody that makes 150k. rate yes but not the same amount. that's why the tax cut was towards high earners not the average people. so it was a tax cut for millionaires while the rest of us got 50 bucks.
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:rofl Another example.
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: RUSH1 on July 11, 2022, 11:39:38 PM
a person that makes 100 bucks in stock doesn't pay the same amount as somebody that makes 150k. rate yes but not the same amount. that's why the tax cut was towards high earners not the average people. so it was a tax cut for millionaires while the rest of us got 50 bucks.
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So why are the billionaires voting democrat these days? Also, I believe crazy Bernie's Sweden has no minimum wage and taxes it's citizen's more than it's corporations.
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: guncrasher on July 12, 2022, 12:00:14 AM
sorry I can't make it any clearer to your superior intellect do you push on doors that say pull?
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:aok
There ya go, no ambiguity and unequivocal this time. The way you wrote it previously, at least twice, left plenty of room for plausible deniability that one might mean the shooter (James Hodgkinson) when in their heart they meant the Representative, and/or the Capitol Officer, the aides at the baseball game.
Did you apologize to Dmonslyr for calling him a liar about a Democrat shooting a Republican Representative yet? Remember you said he just made that shiite up.
Also still waiting for the name of that City/Republican mayor that told the police to stand down, to disregard violence and property destruction and allowed their city to burn while BLM, Antifa and Co. ran amok.
Hint: there is one I can think of, it was short lived though, when enough State Police and Sheriff got there however.
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: CptTrips on July 12, 2022, 12:50:17 PM
:rofl
Cipollini's testimony is bone crushing.
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: guncrasher on July 12, 2022, 01:23:32 PM
There ya go, no ambiguity and unequivocal this time. The way you wrote it previously, at least twice, left plenty of room for plausible deniability that one might mean the shooter (James Hodgkinson) when in their heart they meant the Representative, and/or the Capitol Officer, the aides at the baseball game.
Did you apologize to Dmonslyr for calling him a liar about a Democrat shooting a Republican Representative yet? Remember you said he just made that shiite up.
Also still waiting for the name of that City/Republican mayor that told the police to stand down, to disregard violence and property destruction and allowed their city to burn while BLM, Antifa and Co. ran amok.
Hint: there is one I can think of, it was short lived though, when enough State Police and Sheriff got there however.
wtf. how can there be ambiguity in my statement. I know English is my 3rd language but damn.
as for violator he knows where we stand.
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Title: Re: Bored
Post by: DmonSlyr on July 12, 2022, 03:15:22 PM
I don't think anyone at all should pay taxes if we can simply print 5 trillion every 10 months. If we have to print that much, and still pay 25% of our taxes to the government + property + sales + others. Something is wrong there, but what do I know. IMO, high taxes are one of the main reasons why the world's countries have remained poor and have not been as prosperous as the US. It basically prevents citizens from saving their own money. It's not until the 1970s where taxes really started to hold Americans back, among other things after a few decades of the income tax started to really have an effect. Nothing holds society back moreso than stealing their money.
IMO, everyone should simply only pay 10% of their direct earnings to state and federal taxes. If the government cannot operate on that, than the government is too big. Property and sales tax are theft the way I see it.
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: CptTrips on July 12, 2022, 03:23:54 PM
I used to support flat tax until I research it more.
It's insanely regressive. It puts a much higher burden on the poor.
If you are barely making ends meet and have to another 10% that can break you.
If you are Paris Hilton wiping her butt with $1000 bills, 10% won't even be noticed.
You would actually have far more people paying taxes. 10% meh who cares I'll pay it... 40%? F that, I'm hide and cover up and skirt the law and use the law to my advantage to avoid paying it. And that's what people do. You'd have far less fraud at 10%. 10% for the poor would be a lot better than the 30% they are paying now. Everyone pays the same for gas prices.. right. That hurts the poor a lot more too. Also what is considered poor? I think allowing people to have the opportunity to become wealthy is more important than holding wealthy people to pay more because they became successful for their choices rather than squander the opportunity.
Title: Re: Bored
Post by: guncrasher on July 12, 2022, 04:08:07 PM
to you 10% is who cares. to me is life and death.
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Title: Re: Bored
Post by: DmonSlyr on July 12, 2022, 04:51:04 PM