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« Reply #255 on: April 10, 2004, 11:53:27 AM »
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Constitution binds the government, not me.


So that is the constitution saying you have a right to be racist? Yeah, I would call that an interpretation.
"My grandaddy always told me, "There are three things that'll put a good man down: Losin' a good woman, eatin' bad possum, or eatin' good possum."" - Holden McGroin

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« Reply #256 on: April 10, 2004, 12:01:10 PM »
No, it says that I can say (and therefore think) whatever I please. The Constitution does not grant me this right, it just affirms that I have this right, and it forbids the government from encroaching on it.

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« Reply #257 on: April 10, 2004, 12:03:56 PM »
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No, it says that I can say (and therefore think) whatever I please. The Constitution does not grant me this right, it just affirms that I have this right, and it forbids the government from encroaching on it.


It does not say you have a right to be racist. You interpret what it says as a right to be racist.
« Last Edit: April 10, 2004, 12:08:33 PM by Sixpence »
"My grandaddy always told me, "There are three things that'll put a good man down: Losin' a good woman, eatin' bad possum, or eatin' good possum."" - Holden McGroin

(and I still say he wasn't trying to spell possum!)

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« Reply #258 on: April 10, 2004, 12:49:57 PM »
Of course, I does not SAY it. It does not say that I can eat chicken, watch TV and fart if I feel like it either.

You completely misunderstand the concept of the Constitution. It is not a list of things the People are allowed to do. Quite the oposite. It is a document written by citizens creating a new government who are afraid that their very creation may get out of control. They wrote the Constitution to restrict the government, to make sure that Peopl's liberties are protected against "good intent" government activism.

The Bill of Rights simply affirms the "obvious and self-evident". As a matter of fact there was a strong opposition to it, not because the opponets did not want to protect basic prople's right, but because they were afraid that the very fact that you list the "obvious and self-evidend", may be construed as an opening to a discusion of what really is obvious and self-evident. Just like you doing right now.

Again, the Constitution restrict the government's actions, not the People's. Read it and find something that restricts you.

Explain it to me how can you make an anti-discrimination law constitutional. In other words, try to reconcile AA with the 1-st Amendment.

Just because the government passes a law, does not mean that it is constitutional. As a matter of fact, the government is in business of taking our liberties away, step by step. It is always, "for the greater good". Usualy it starts good, like driver's licence or a gun license. Well of course we don't wan't an untrained person to drive a car or shoot the gun. But, how far are we from licensing speech? After all speech is pretty powerfull. It can change people's minds and it can actually change their behavior. Should we really allow just about anyone to have a right to speak his mind. Maybe we should have some kind of training first. You want to speak in public, you have to take the government's course, and then pass the test. And of course you have to comply with the speech regulation.

How is that?

Back to  the topic, quote me the passage from the constitution that say I can't be a racist (or sexist or rap lover or anything else). That's the way the law works. Anything not explicitly illegal, is legal.

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« Reply #259 on: April 10, 2004, 12:55:50 PM »
You asked me to eleborate on why it is an interpretation, I gave it to you. You are the one who says it gives you a right to be a racist.
"My grandaddy always told me, "There are three things that'll put a good man down: Losin' a good woman, eatin' bad possum, or eatin' good possum."" - Holden McGroin

(and I still say he wasn't trying to spell possum!)

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« Reply #260 on: April 10, 2004, 01:22:11 PM »
He does have the right to be a racist, or have any other views he chooses under our constitution.  So, I guess I'm saying it too.
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« Reply #261 on: April 10, 2004, 01:27:22 PM »
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He does have the right to be a racist, or have any other views he chooses under our constitution.  So, I guess I'm saying it too.


Well, if you are ever brought into court on discrimination(whatever the case), and your lawyer is going to make the argument you have a constitutional right to be racist, I suggest you get a new lawyer.

I have a constitutional right to be a racist, I think I have heard it all.
"My grandaddy always told me, "There are three things that'll put a good man down: Losin' a good woman, eatin' bad possum, or eatin' good possum."" - Holden McGroin

(and I still say he wasn't trying to spell possum!)

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« Reply #262 on: April 10, 2004, 01:31:34 PM »
So, what you're saying is that if I were a racist and I expressed my views (without inciting violence or perpetuating a crime) in a public forum, I would/could be prosecuted for holding those views?  Do you honestly believe that to be the case?  If so, then I think I too have now heard everything.
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« Reply #263 on: April 10, 2004, 01:34:56 PM »
Sure you have a constitutional right to be racist, just like you have a constitutional right to be gay or to be a communist.  It's when you act in a manner that is illegal that you get into trouble with the law.  

It's never a crime just to be something.  Even being a pedophile is not a crime -- it's only when you act on it that the government can step in.  

There's some big latin word for the concept, but I can't think of it.

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« Reply #264 on: April 10, 2004, 01:38:20 PM »
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So, what you're saying is that if I were a racist and I expressed my views (without inciting violence or perpetuating a crime) in a public forum, I would/could be prosecuted for holding those views?  Do you honestly believe that to be the case?  If so, then I think I too have now heard everything.


You are changing things now. He asked me why it is an interpretation. He interprets what the constitution says as a right to be racist. That is an iterpretation.

What you are telling me is that when they wrote the constitution, having the right to be racist is what they had in mind, I do not interpret it that way.
"My grandaddy always told me, "There are three things that'll put a good man down: Losin' a good woman, eatin' bad possum, or eatin' good possum."" - Holden McGroin

(and I still say he wasn't trying to spell possum!)

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« Reply #265 on: April 10, 2004, 01:43:50 PM »
Oh, so you're arguing semantics.  You must have too much time on your hands.  Try starting up a hobby, I hear online flight sims are fun!
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« Reply #266 on: April 10, 2004, 01:45:27 PM »
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Oh, so you're arguing semantics.  You must have too much time on your hands.  Try starting up a hobby, I hear online flight sims are fun!


He asked me to elaborate on why it is an inerpretation, and i'm arguing semantics?
"My grandaddy always told me, "There are three things that'll put a good man down: Losin' a good woman, eatin' bad possum, or eatin' good possum."" - Holden McGroin

(and I still say he wasn't trying to spell possum!)

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« Reply #267 on: April 10, 2004, 01:47:24 PM »
Just read the 1-st Amendment. Nothing to interpret there.

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« Reply #268 on: April 10, 2004, 01:49:47 PM »
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Just read the 1-st Amendment. Nothing to interpret there.


Oh yeah, right there, you have a right to be a racist, silly me.
"My grandaddy always told me, "There are three things that'll put a good man down: Losin' a good woman, eatin' bad possum, or eatin' good possum."" - Holden McGroin

(and I still say he wasn't trying to spell possum!)

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« Reply #269 on: April 10, 2004, 01:53:03 PM »
You don't really listen, do you?

I give up.