New idea what do you ladies and gentlemen think.

[simshell]

Originally posted by DREDIOCK
One of the things I am envisioning is a situation where we end up having massive mossie hordes comming in.
LOL anyone feel like dealing with 200 mossies?
their Eny value is something like 45  

ENY is 40

[Wotan]

If this thread is still being read then I have a suggestion.

Instead of disabling the planes all together how about inverting their eny value to equal a perk value?

For example if the la7 eny is 3 and one side has crossed the imbalance threshold la7s now cost 3.

Or something similar?

I cringe at the idea of disallowing folks to enjoy their choice ride. But most these planes have a close relative so I don’t see folks being cut off completely.

P51D – P51B
La7 - La5FN
Spit IX – Spit V etc…


I do think that something should be done in regards to the side number imbalance. This has been whined about in the past and it usually ended up in players/squads eventually switching sides.

Any my 2 cents...

[oboe]

Actually this solution may not do anything at all to affect side balance.   Maybe people will just decide to settle for some other ride if the low ENY planes are disabled.   For example, wouldn't a Rook horde on RJO nights will be nearly as effective if equipped with LA5s and heavy F6Fs, P47s, P38s, Mossies, etc?

I think we might find the desire to 'crush' the opposition with a horde and reset the map is more powerful than the desire to fly certain plane types.    If that is the case the horde steamroller will just continue on, with perhaps slightly less effective planes than before.

[BlkKnit]

I like it, it should help with numbers IMO.  The thing is, most will not switch and just fly a plane with higher eny, but I think some will, and thats the point isn't it?  I mean, we wouldn't want everyone switching all the time would we?  Just a few to even the sides up a bit.

Me, I'd have no problem going with a 109G2 or F4 instead of a G10.  Many 190 pilots prefer the A5, and the F4U-1 is a fun ride and possibly more fun that the F4U-1D.  B pony has been mentioned as possibly better than the D, LA5 is a formidable aircraft.   I dont see the problem with it.  The plane specific squads may have a gripe, but it seems a bit selfish (and yes my statement is a bit selfish )

[Zanth]

If it is not just a bit painful to the "offenders", any plan would not work.  None of us have seen the actual implementation, but if it gets too sugar coated or watered down, not much will change.  Will be interesting to see how this turns out.

[culero]

Originally posted by RDSaustinTX
Bad Idea.
 
These things always balance out, and the number politics are totally, and always have been part of the game. Personally, I enjoy the underdog role, and it inevitably rotates from side to side.
 
Please backburner this, right behind the display errors.  
 
Mullah  

Really.

I really feel strongly that if the powers that be insist this is a "problem" (I think the controversy about numbers imbalance is mostly whiners doing what whiners do, but that's not what I wanna discuss here) that its wisest to first try the least intrusive "solutions" possible.

The perk grading was a good idea. It didn't restrict anyone from anything, just gave incentives. Hell, its what caused me to become a Rook - when I started flying here, Rooks were the smallest consistently and I wanted to try perk rides cheaper. Maybe just increasing this "bonus" for the underdog country might cause it to work better?

Another idea that's been suggested is to close the largest country to side-switchers. Now, that's restrictive, but not to gameplay (you can still fly what you want). If new players were included, I believe that over time this would have a balancing effect.

I think either or both, or a combination of these with some other non-or-less intrusive idea should be tried FIRST to see if it works before restricting people from flying, or flying what they want.

culero

[Mugzeee]

Originally posted by Citabria
to reset an arena especially a big map you need imbalance.

you will never solve local numbers imbalance anyway

Resets are not the issue.

[Muddie]

I dunno, I'm thinking it might be fun to be on the low number side with this set up.  I really enjoyed the early mid war matchups provided by the rolling planeset in that OTHER sim.    This way I may get more of em.     (I've been flying higher ENY lately).

Originally posted by DREDIOCK
I Dont see how it (the Eny thing) will change anything other then the planes being flown. Unless I have somehow read it wrong.
And the way Im am reading it now is  super planes like the PonyD will be disabled forcing the larger numbers to fly lesser planes. Is that the idea?

And 200+ of anything Even P40's  is still a horde.

But it will get now seldom used planes flying more.

Assuming I am reading it correctly with all due respect  I dont think its gonna make a difference and am predicting that now.

Though I honestly hope I am proved wrong

Time will tell

[Muddie]

Only problem there is affecting scoring won't work with the players like me that don't care diddly bout score.   No incentive at all.

Originally posted by MOSQ
HT,


One other possible solution:
Have the numbers affect scoring, not just perk points. The outnumbered side would get higher score points. This might have the effect of pulling the score hounds to the lowest numbered country each time they logon. Nothing like having the "top" 100 players constantly switching to the outnumbered country so they get that extra score advantage to help balance the arena.

[Muddie]

Not to be disloyal, but the belt and suspenders thing kinda lost me.

    I like this idea too though.    

Originally posted by Stegahorse
The Idea for time outs in "country" with excessive numbers is great. How about this though, You impose the time out on anything less than a successful landing. The pilots that survive get a reward for their good SA, and the ones that get shot down, ditch or captured get the penalty. It would also be cool if Shot down gets the greatest penalty, Captured gets 2/3 of the Shot down penalty and Ditched gets 1/3 of the penalty.
It would re-inforce the concept of survive and SA.

Loyalty to country is not wrong or misplaced. Those who have no loyalty to anything are to be mistrusted. Those same people often have no loyalty even unto themselves. Take the case of the man who wears both belt and suspenders to hold his pants up.

[Kev367th]

Only problem with above idea is that kills people trying to up at a nearly capped field to defend it.
That would upset the vultchers.

[muckmaw]

With this solution in place, I find a renewed interest in playing AH.

If I understand it right, if this works, we'll see more balanced numbers and greater plane diversification.

Sounds like a shot in the arm for AH!

WTG:aok

[TalonX]

I still think you should have to wait if you get shot down.....I don't care about numbers....

Shotdown and killed - 5 minutes to re-up

Ditched/Bailed - 3 minutes

Landed on the runway - Instant re-up possible...

More realistic.....  Might make you think before you DIE

[Furious]

Originally posted by muckmaw
...If I understand it right, if this works, we'll see more balanced numbers and greater plane diversification....

Not at the same time, you won't.

[Toad]

Originally posted by TalonX
More realistic.....  Might make you think before you DIE

Or that might make a larger number of people ever more timid and afraid to engage. Have to consider that too.

This new programming will bring change to the arena. That's certain. It may even bring the intended change to the arena. OTOH, the "law of unintended consequences" may rear up and bring change that none of us expected at all.

In any event. the horse is plum beaten. Best just fuggedabouditt until the actualy programming is in place for a tour or two and then evaluate it and see if it accomplished anything positive.