Abortion and the Death Penalty

[SkyWolf]

Originally posted by lazs2


How bout.... let the head come out and then play whack a mole on it with a chrome ball peen hammer?

 

Lazs,
I frequently disagree with your views but I wouldn't miss reading them for the world.  

[Sandman]

Originally posted by lazs2

You still never answered tho.   at what point is a fetus not a "parasite" and indeed a human being?  

Birth.

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by SkyWolf
Just out of curiosity, can you post the figures on how many abortions are paid for by taxpayers?

Do a search for the recent decision for an inmate in missouri or mississippi.  All it takes is precident.

and no I'm not arguing I offering an opinion that in today's day and age doesn't seem that far of a stretch.

[Hangtime]

Damn. Ain't this subject a bombshell.

Again.

It's years of abortion rights debate vs ......what?

Lets break it down. Yer an old dude. You've lived a full life. Yer terminally ill.. (we all are from birth, but that's a different subject) You no longer wish to continue sucking air through a resperator and defecating on yourself twice a day. You talk it over with your family, you decide it's time to call the game.

But wait.. you don't have that option. Government sez suicide is illegal. Plus no life insurance payout. They won't pay death benefits on a suicide.

You kewl with that?

Next step. Yer a vegtable. Before you were a vegtable you were a lazy slob and never left a will. You did happen to mention to yer wife you wouldn't wanna live life as a burden to your loved ones. She decides to honor your wishes..

But wait.. we have to let a court decide. Activists get involved.. the family is raked thru the mud. Financialy ruined. Humiliated. Embarassed. Prying eyes with no vested intrest suddenly are in control of not only your destiny, but those of your loved ones.

You kewl with that?

Frankly I'm not. I don't think the government should have the thumbs up or down on your decisons about your personal property.. and if your body ain't your property then dammit, just what in hell IS your property?

Your life, your personal corpus, it's contents, right on up to and including the right to decide your manner and time of going should be reserved as yours.

And ain't that the core issue?

[Sandman]

Originally posted by Hangtime

Frankly I'm not. I don't think the government should have the thumbs up or down on your decisons about your personal property.. and if your body ain't your property then dammit, just what in hell IS your property?

Your life, your personal corpus, it's contents, right on up to and including the right to decide your manner and time of going should be reserved as yours.

And ain't that the core issue?

Gawdamn, it scares me when we agree.

[SOB]

Originally posted by Hangtime
And ain't that the core issue?

Actually, I think the core issue is that when it comes right down to it, people are selfish.  Selfish, right down to the point of wanting everyone else to live how they think they should live, just so the world can look and feel exactly how they want it to.

[Booz]

God says...
 
Exodus 21:22 If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him

  Let hubby decide, otherwise no foul, it ain't your call, just her mans. Says God.

[Russian]

Originally posted by Booz
God says...
 
Exodus 21:22 If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him

  Let hubby decide, otherwise no foul, it ain't your call what another woman does, just her mans, says God.

Seagoon's shade account when he's drunk?

[Booz]

Originally posted by Russian
Seagoon's shade account when he's drunk?

 Nope, just some arbitration from some god. Did you have some disagreement with it?

[Russian]

Originally posted by Booz
Nope, just some arbitration from some god. Did you have some disagreement with it?

As an atheist, I do not involve myself in religious discussion. My previous comment was a joke, not a statement.

[Hangtime]

Originally posted by Sandman
Gawdamn, it scares me when we agree.

Yah. Creeps me out, too.

Fer some reason I have an urge to pull out an old Firesign Theater LP... ahh here it is. How appropos. "We're all Bozo's on THIS bus.."

[Booz]

Yeah, but who agrees with God?

Exodus 21:22 If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by Eagler
just another slant to justify murder of the unborn

if the baby in the womb is not "alive", how can it have a heart beat, response to  music and other stimuli?  

I can see the abortion ruling being supported by the sluts, lazy, ignorant or the women that have a stick so far up their butch arse that they'd never have or hate kids but for a woman that has had a child or a family man that has experienced child birth, for that group to say abortion is not murder baffles me

And a group that says it is baffles me
Like I said, it is a potential life. Untill it is actually out of the "host" as someone else here put it and living on its own. There is no guarentee that it would live outside of the host.

Sperm are alive too. Look at some under a microscope sometime
They follow instincts and make for the egg at which point they bond with and mutate into a potential human life.
So take it a step back even farther .Life begins with ejaculation

OMG I just realised!
Im a mass murderer on such a scale that would make all the worlds tyrants put together look like a sunday school class picking flowers and singing Kumba ya.

Be back later. Think I'll go murder s'more;)

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by SOB
Actually, I think the core issue is that when it comes right down to it, people are selfish.  Selfish, right down to the point of wanting everyone else to live how they think they should live, just so the world can look and feel exactly how they want it to.

Actually therin lay the problem.

It has to be "my way"
Everyone has to tell everyone else how hey should live their lives or how or what they should beleive. That is one of the main problems with religeon.
Everyone beleives so fully that their way is the right way they not only cant and wont see it any other way. But must insist the people that dont beleive what they believe changes to suit thri beleifs

That is what makes Choice, the best choice.

If you beleive its wrong. Dont do it. Its as simple as that. THAT is YOUR choice.

On the other hand I do not see where anyone has any right to tell or force anyone else into their beleif system

I would never tell a woman it is right or wrong to have an abortion no matter how I personally felt about it.

Its not my place nor is it my choice to make.

[Russian]

Originally posted by Booz
Yeah, but who agrees with God?

Exodus 21:22 If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him

Somehow law of ‘god’ heavily resembles ‘The Law Code of Hammurabi’, just less violence.