Where were the sane licensed carrying gun owners in all this?

[Vulcan]

Originally posted by shamroc
Off the top of my head...

The Utah Trolley Square mall shooting (last year) was tharted by an off-duty police officer who was carrying concealed.  He was at the mall eating lunch with his wife if I remember correctly.

Saved many lives.  Shooter had a shotgun, handgun and a backpack full of ammo.

shamroc

The gunman's rampage was stopped after trading shots with off-duty police officer Kenneth Hammond, and Sgt. Andrew Oblad of the Salt Lake City Police Department; their actions prevented further loss of life. The final confrontation, in which Taloviæ was killed, occurred in the Pottery Barn Kids home furnishing store.[7] Hammond was at Trolley Square with his pregnant wife, 911 dispatcher Sarita Hammond. Sarita borrowed a waiter's cell phone to call 911.[8] Taloviæ was cornered and was shooting at officers, until an active shooter contact team composed of Salt Lake City PD SWAT team members arrived and shot him. Salt Lake City police officials on February 13, 2007, thanked Hammond as a hero in saving countless lives.[6]

nope try again.

[Saxman]

Dang, I was in the process of pointing out the "Off duty cop" part but everyone else beat me to it.

[SteveBailey]

Originally posted by Maverick
No I am not trying to "twist the scenario" at all. I've been talking about the mall shooting situation the entire time. You brought up the other "scenarios". All I did was point out they were irrelevant to the "discussion".  

Yep I really do have a hard time seeing the commonality of you being threatened with a gun by a guy you are facing with as well as a fist fight face to face vs a mall shooting.  If you have not noticed I have not questioned your courage in any of the posts here.

You are welcome to lose your patience all you want, that's your problem not mine nor does it impress me.

In the scenario with the three thugs beating the old woman, you don't really have a good choice among them.  The choice to intervene wasn't about being a badass, it was about saving the old woman from a beating that would no doubt cause her more harm that it would cause you.
You/I would still probably get stomped,  but could probably handle said beating better than the old woman.  I'm not talking about beating up the three bad guys... I'm talking about wading in and getting a beating(probably) so the old woman doesn't... get it? In other words, it's a crummy situation with no neatly wrapped solution, much like the mall scenario.

The analogy is that neither the old woman scenario or the mall scenario(where you are armed with a pistol) offer an ideal solution but that one may have to make a tough choice.  Is it really that hard for you to understand?

If you really need to say you are a real bad arse, fine, now exactly what does that have to do with trying to find some one shooting in a crowded mall.

 You are assuming the guy is wandering through the mall while shooting people. you added this to the scenario.  In our scenario in Nebraska, the guy was basically stationary on a third floor balcony, overlooking the  mall area.  As I've been saying... there wouldn't be any hunting down to do.

[shamroc]

Originally posted by Vulcan
nope try again.

You just validated what I said...

shamroc

[SteveBailey]

Originally posted by FrodeMk3
Ok...a trained LEO. Any Off-the-street, simply-have-a-CCW regular Citizens?

This search took about 1/10th of a second.  i'm sure if I looked deeper I could find more.


http://www.acslpa.org/n_armed_citizen_reports.htm

[B@tfinkV]

Originally posted by Tigeress
dang...

I didn't have trouble in the Munich airport it was the Frankfurt airport but having a German soldier point a machine gun directly at me made all sorts of things swirl in my head.

Similar kind of thing... sorta... happened when I was on assignment in Osaka. I had a rental car and was out for a drive on a Saturday afternoon.

I am listening to the Japanese music on the car radio and looking at the road and country side and happened to glance in my rear view mirror.

OMG!!!! My brain literally hit the all out panic button!

There in my mirror was a big green Japanese Army truck with big red circle on its sloping hood and a Japanese soldier in his green uniform driving it and he was directly behind me looking straight at me!

I did manage to get myself under control but I was really thunder struck for a few moments.

I had never seen a Japanese soldier except in war movies... till then.

The soldier probably would have felt hurt had he known my initial reaction to him. I love the Japanese people and culture immensely.
 
TIGERESS

yours is far more disturbing for you i imagine. i wouldnt want anyone pointing a gun at me ever, a friend shot me with a gas pellet pistol when he thought the saftey was on...well that was kinda funny but...

as to the munich customs....well...we took the piss out of them with the wisecrack and they got us back 100 times better....i could almost swear i saw a cheeky half smile twitch of the tall guys eyes but never can be sure.....they really tok us in hard and then shortly before our flight boarded they just said..ok you can go now and dropped the searches just before they got to really get personal.

geuss we messed with the wrong dudes

[SIG220]

Originally posted by Bingolong
What were the 2 30 round clips.

It was a AK family Wasr 10.

It was illegal till recently and the uncle he stole it from is being investigated for the time he purchased it.

Actually, this evening's news showed his entire gun collection being confiscated and carried off by the authorities.  All the long guns they were carrying appeared to be typical sporting arms: pump action shotgun, and bolt action rifles.   I could see them doing this if he was a felon in possession of firearms.   But nothing like that has been said so far by the authorities.

Obviously, this relative did not have the gun locked up where it could not be easily taken from.

I would think that attorneys for the victims of this shooting may well be able to sue him, for his role in this matter.   For if the rifle had been responsibly locked up in a safe, this incident would not have taken place.

SIG 220

[KgB]

Originally posted by lasersailor184
No liberal handsomehunk can rub two sticks together and magically make a semi-auto fire arm fully auto.  Hell, even us experienced with fire arms probably won't be successful 4 times out of 5.


Even if we were successful, we aren't really making the gun full auto.  We're just breaking it.  And because we're breaking it, other things will start to break easily.


On top of that, the reliability of most magazines above 30 rounds is questionable at best.

AK47 can be easily converted into full auto within 10 min.
Dont even need to be experienced with fire arms,but hey,what do we liberal handsomehunkes know.

[shamroc]

Originally posted by KgB
AK47 can be easily converted into full auto within 10 min.
Dont even need to be experienced with fire arms,but hey,what do we liberal handsomehunkes know.

Post Proof Positive or Retract.

shamroc

[SteveBailey]

Originally posted by shamroc
Post Proof Positive or Retract.

shamroc

Seconded

[FrodeMk3]

Originally posted by SteveBailey
This search took about 1/10th of a second.  i'm sure if I looked deeper I could find more.


http://www.acslpa.org/n_armed_citizen_reports.htm

Interesting links, Steve, but...What I meant was, How many have stopped the kind of shooting that happened in the Omaha Mall, or VT, or Columbine.

I could'nt find that kind of situation in your link. They were robberies, or Home invasion's. While no less dangerous, I was looking for something where someone shot the Columbine shooter first, so to speak.

[FrodeMk3]

Originally posted by SIG220
Actually, this evening's news showed his entire gun collection being confiscated and carried off by the authorities.  All the long guns they were carrying appeared to be typical sporting arms: pump action shotgun, and bolt action rifles.   I could see them doing this if he was a felon in possession of firearms.   But nothing like that has been said so far by the authorities.

Obviously, this relative did not have the gun locked up where it could not be easily taken from.

I would think that attorneys for the victims of this shooting may well be able to sue him, for his role in this matter.   For if the rifle had been responsibly locked up in a safe, this incident would not have taken place.

SIG 220

That depends' on Nebraska state law-If there are minors in the house, what are that state's statute's? They may not actually require weapons' locked up.

[SteveBailey]

Originally posted by FrodeMk3
Interesting links, Steve, but...What I meant was, How many have stopped the kind of shooting that happened in the Omaha Mall, or VT, or Columbine.

I could'nt find that kind of situation in your link. They were robberies, or Home invasion's. While no less dangerous, I was looking for something where someone shot the Columbine shooter first, so to speak.

I'd have to have a crystal ball to do what you are asking.  Who  knows what the bad guys who were thwarted might have done? If you mean specifically a bad guy put down in a mall/school scenario... dunno... can't look now.  

[WWhiskey]

took me a while to find the report on the type of rifle, first all i saw was assault rifle, if it had been an ar-15 or a mini14 thats what they would have called it right off. but finally i found out it was an sks, aperantly with the clip kit   and thats were the anti gun side will go , to the clips,(magazines)
i think alot of the reason this happens is because of the media makeing him into something other than just a cold blooded killer/MY OPINION!
you dont have to agree!
but i got the feeling from all that i read,  that i was supposed to feel sorry for this guy, it was our fault he needed to kill, so he would be somebody

i think the news should be    today, a moron who shall remain nameless ,  forever, took the lives of nine people! he is to be burried at the bottom of the nearest cespool, as soon as the people are thru desicrating (yea my spelling aint all that) his body, his family shall be on display for all to see and will be awaiting your comments and sugestions on how to try to repay the world.
this event is to be seen by all young people, so as to know that you will not be a hero you will not be missed, and nobody will ever be proud of what you have done,should you chose to do something as stupid as this!

p.s. dont mean too offend, i just hate that anyone even thinks this kind of stuff could ever fix  anything!

[KgB]

Originally posted by shamroc
Post Proof Positive or Retract.

shamroc

Let me guess,you want me to give you link on how to convert AK47?
Have you lost your mind?
The  difference between legal version of AK47 and full auto is that hammer in legal version locks after each round is fired,much like semi-automatic selector setting,requiring the trigger to be released and depressed again for the next shot.By removing(or grinding off) that pin or whatever the hell you call it you'll stuck with only full-automatic setting,its purely mechanical.
Blindfold disassembling and assembling of AK47 was in USSR high school program.